4.3 binaries for linux?

There don't seem to be 4.3 binaries for linux in any of the usual
places. Can anyone give me pointers to such? RH6.1 if it matters.

I've downloaded CVS of 5beta and compiled without problem on Solaris
2.6 and RH6.1 Kudos to the development team.

There are several routines in 4.3 I need for a current project that are
not yet implemented in 5beta, and the compile of 4.3 is a bit
problematic, both on Solaris and linux, thus, the desire for binary
version.

Thanks for any help.

--
Glen L. Gunsalus, Ph.D. Telephone: (212) 327-8757
The Population Council Facsimile: (212) 327-8839,-7678
1230 York Avenue E-Mail: glen@popcbr.rockefeller.edu
New York, NY 10021 G-Gunsalus@popcbr.rockefeller.edu

On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 08:34:32AM -0500, Glen Gunsalus wrote:

There don't seem to be 4.3 binaries for linux in any of the usual
places. Can anyone give me pointers to such? RH6.1 if it matters.

Well I do not know about 4.3 binaries.
4.2.1 is very stable and tested. 4.3 is not tested that well.
4.3 was created without involvement of the 4.2.x version coordinator (Markus).
4.3 source code AFAIK is only supported by the Baylor group since then.

I've downloaded CVS of 5beta and compiled without problem on Solaris
2.6 and RH6.1 Kudos to the development team.

There are several routines in 4.3 I need for a current project that are
not yet implemented in 5beta, and the compile of 4.3 is a bit
problematic, both on Solaris and linux, thus, the desire for binary
version.

Try 4.2.1 and tell us what the problem is, it might have a higher chance
of getting solved. If you need improvements the 5.0beta version is the
way to go.
  Bernhard

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The FreeGIS Project (freegis.org)
Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure (ffii.org)

Hi GRASS community,
Bruce mailed me personally and suggested that I retract the statement
that 4.3 was done without Markus' involvement.

I do not know in how far Markus really was involved in releasing 4.3 and
open statements are hard to get.

From my perspective it still looks like 4.3 is not supported
by Markus in the same manner as he supported 4.2.1.
Linux binaries e.g. are still missing.
Additionally 4.2.1 has undergone a lot more testing.

I have not seen many coding efforts from Baylor in GRASS 5.0 either.
Baylor promissed computer resources to the GRASS developers
which never came. The sun workstation they provided was useless for
GRASS development or developers' webpages.

I do not know what Baylor did for GRASS in the past, but they
have not been doing much in the last year as far as I can tell.
Except for doing webpages which were out of date until lately.

Sorry for ranting today, but I just had to spell it out.
  Bernhard

On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 04:07:54PM +0100, Bernhard Reiter wrote:

On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 08:34:32AM -0500, Glen Gunsalus wrote:
> There don't seem to be 4.3 binaries for linux in any of the usual
> places. Can anyone give me pointers to such? RH6.1 if it matters.

Well I do not know about 4.3 binaries.
4.2.1 is very stable and tested. 4.3 is not tested that well.
4.3 was created without involvement of the 4.2.x version coordinator (Markus).
4.3 source code AFAIK is only supported by the Baylor group since then.

> I've downloaded CVS of 5beta and compiled without problem on Solaris
> 2.6 and RH6.1 Kudos to the development team.
>
> There are several routines in 4.3 I need for a current project that are
> not yet implemented in 5beta, and the compile of 4.3 is a bit
> problematic, both on Solaris and linux, thus, the desire for binary
> version.

Try 4.2.1 and tell us what the problem is, it might have a higher chance
of getting solved. If you need improvements the 5.0beta version is the
way to go.
  Bernhard

--
Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net)
The FreeGIS Project (freegis.org)
Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure (ffii.org)

Hi also from my side,

actually there is some confusion about GRASS versions.
To finish this useless discussion, some comments
from my side.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 05:38:51PM +0100, Bernhard Reiter wrote:

Hi GRASS community,
Bruce mailed me personally and suggested that I retract the statement
that 4.3 was done without Markus' involvement.

I do not know in how far Markus really was involved in releasing 4.3 and
open statements are hard to get.

Just ask...

Reason to publish 4.3 was to include the GPL statement. I do
not want to start a discussion if this is allowed or not, we
just did it and the audience accepted.
GRASS 4.2.1final was basis for 4.3.

From my perspective it still looks like 4.3 is not supported
by Markus in the same manner as he supported 4.2.1.
Linux binaries e.g. are still missing.

Sorry, we missed that. Our apologies.

Additionally 4.2.1 has undergone a lot more testing.

Again: GRASS 4.2.1final was basis for 4.3. This is described
on the web pages also. So not much testing is required.

I hope this clarifies the situation. The next days
Hannover and Baylor publish an updated 4.3 version
with minor fixes. ... and Linux binaries, too.

The 4.2.1 stuff will be removed then (to make the
GRASS mirrors happy). Then you can choose

- either GRASS 4.3: stable
- or GRASS 5: becoming stable

This is all I want to comment here.

Hope this helps

Markus Neteler

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Bernhard Reiter wrote:

Bruce mailed me personally and suggested that I retract the statement
that 4.3 was done without Markus' involvement.

I do not know in how far Markus really was involved in releasing 4.3 and
open statements are hard to get.

  I am bothered by personal issues being aired in public. Regardless of what
the issue is, or who is involved.

From my perspective it still looks like 4.3 is not supported by Markus in
the same manner as he supported 4.2.1. Linux binaries e.g. are still
missing. Additionally 4.2.1 has undergone a lot more testing.

  Pardon me, but this is what a quick check with my browser found (on:
         <http://www.baylor.edu/~grass/4.3release.info.html&gt;

<quote>

What is different from my version 4.1, 4.2, etc.?
GRASS 4.3 is functionaly the same, only with more modules and a whole lot of
bugfixing. It represents the most stable release of GRASS
yet.

</quote>

  This certainly says that 4.3 is The Real Thing; there doesn't appear to be
a reason for claiming that it's deficient in any way, or that any developer
was slighted in its production and release.

I have not seen many coding efforts from Baylor in GRASS 5.0 either.
Baylor promissed computer resources to the GRASS developers which never
came. The sun workstation they provided was useless for GRASS development
or developers' webpages.

  This is not my experience. The development team at Baylor has been hard at
work on all aspects of the application: the core GRASS code, the
documentation, the web sites, the port to the Microsoft environment and the
integration of models (such as SWAT) with GRASS. This, of course, in
addition to their day jobs at the University. As a businessman, I know full
well how easy it is for pet projects and "fun" things to be overwhelmed by
the realities of making money to pay the mortgage and the DSL/ISP bills each
month. Oh, and food, too.

Sorry for ranting today, but I just had to spell it out.

  Private discussions are always more productive than public tantrums. The
mark of a good supervisor is to never chastise a subordinate in front of
others. The mark of a good subordinate is to know that public criticism of
superiors does not move him/her up the career ladder. At least, not without
a knife in the back.

  With luck, maturity will come with time, Bernard.

Rich

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Glen Gunsalus wrote:

There don't seem to be 4.3 binaries for linux in any of the usual
places. Can anyone give me pointers to such? RH6.1 if it matters.

I've downloaded CVS of 5beta and compiled without problem on Solaris
2.6 and RH6.1 Kudos to the development team.

There are several routines in 4.3 I need for a current project that are
not yet implemented in 5beta, and the compile of 4.3 is a bit
problematic, both on Solaris and linux, thus, the desire for binary
version.

Thanks for any help.

--
Glen L. Gunsalus, Ph.D. Telephone: (212) 327-8757
The Population Council Facsimile: (212) 327-8839,-7678
1230 York Avenue E-Mail: glen@popcbr.rockefeller.edu
New York, NY 10021 G-Gunsalus@popcbr.rockefeller.edu

Hi to all grass-users,

i am currently preparing rpm (Red Hat Packages) for grass4.3 for easy
installation of grass 4.3 on most linux distributions. Maybe i can
provide a grass5.0 package later, but there are currently some problems
with packaging grass5.0.

The packages are nearly ready for distribution (and are tested on red
hat linux 5.2, 6.x and Caldera Open Linux).
But i have not the space and bandwith to provide download of them.

So if someone has an idea where to host those files (space is approx. 40
MB for binary rpms and 40 MB for source rpms) please contact me.

I uploaded the (prelimnary) spec files (this are only the files to
create the rpm distribution from, not the rpm-binaries itself!) to my
homepage (http://members.tripod.de/AndreasLange/grass).

Any comments are welcome,

cu
Andreas

--
Andreas Lange, 65187 Wiesbaden, Germany, Tel. +49 611 807850
Andreas.Lange@Rhein-Main.de, A.C.Lange@GMX.net

Hi Rich,

some personal issues are important for grass development!
The management style you propose is largely unusable
for free software development.

I admit that I have been wrong about the 4.2.1/4.3 version issue.
My apology bounced from the mailinglist. I will resent it after this mail.

  Bernhard

ps.: Let me clarify some points in public has you have made them here:

On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 12:44:01PM -0800, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Bernhard Reiter wrote:

> I have not seen many coding efforts from Baylor in GRASS 5.0 either.
> Baylor promissed computer resources to the GRASS developers which never
> came. The sun workstation they provided was useless for GRASS development
> or developers' webpages.

This is not my experience.

Well your experience can be different. I can show you the mails about
the sun and other resources if you are interested.

The development team at Baylor has been hard at
work on all aspects of the application: the core GRASS code, the
documentation, the web sites, the port to the Microsoft environment and the
integration of models (such as SWAT) with GRASS.

I have been adding parts to GRASS for about a year, I have not seen much
source code which has been written by people of the University of Baylor.
http://www.geog.uni-hannover.de/grass/coop.html lists 15 developers,
only three of them have email addresses at Baylor University.

This might be a missunderstanding on your part as I know some of the
persons involved in GRASS development and what they do.
The impression that most coding takes place at Baylor University is not
correct. But this shall not lower the contribution of Baylor University!
As far as I know they are doing a lot of support and try really hard
to get more resources for GRASS development. This is a good thing.

--
Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net)
The FreeGIS Project (freegis.org)
Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure (ffii.org)

Dear GRASS community,
sorry for the version number confusion.
I was wrong about the version number, 4.3 is recommended and stable.

The other part of my rant regarded Baylors style of communicating
their GRASS efforts. Please read on only if you are interested in
this more internal issue:

I am still not completely satisfied about when and how things
are disscused and how credits are given. The problem is identified
though and spelled out. I am sorry for doing this in a very direct manner
which was obviously missunderstood.

I am exchanging emails with Markus and Bruce now to clarify the
situation. My suggestion is that we keep a GRASS development and support
mailinglist running and open to improve communication and the knowledge
about what the different GRASS groups do.

It is also my idea that people should be generally encouraged to also
write about their negative experiences so that the GRASS group can react,
explain and improve.

Thanks for reading so far,
        Bernhard

On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 06:12:33PM +0000, Markus Neteler wrote:

I hope this clarifies the situation. The next days
Hannover and Baylor publish an updated 4.3 version
with minor fixes. ... and Linux binaries, too.

The 4.2.1 stuff will be removed then (to make the
GRASS mirrors happy). Then you can choose

- either GRASS 4.3: stable
- or GRASS 5: becoming stable

Please do not remove the old version 4.2.1.
It is generally a good idea to keep the old versions around. You may move
them into an "old" directory. E.g. Redhat even keeps their 1.0 version
around. It might help people with older operating version or in
special situtations.

--
Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net)
The FreeGIS Project (freegis.org)
Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure (ffii.org)

Hi Andreas,

Markus is compiling linux binaries for 4.3 and we should have them posted
on all ftp servers later today. We have already placed Solaris 2.6, Solaris
7 binaries on the server (they are available). I am compiling new Solaris 7
Intel
binaries today and should have posted by this afternoon.

The group is working on conversions to 4.x modules to 5.x as well.

Thanks.

Bruce

Andreas Lange wrote:

Glen Gunsalus wrote:
>
> There don't seem to be 4.3 binaries for linux in any of the usual
> places. Can anyone give me pointers to such? RH6.1 if it matters.
>
> I've downloaded CVS of 5beta and compiled without problem on Solaris
> 2.6 and RH6.1 Kudos to the development team.
>
> There are several routines in 4.3 I need for a current project that are
> not yet implemented in 5beta, and the compile of 4.3 is a bit
> problematic, both on Solaris and linux, thus, the desire for binary
> version.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> --
> Glen L. Gunsalus, Ph.D. Telephone: (212) 327-8757
> The Population Council Facsimile: (212) 327-8839,-7678
> 1230 York Avenue E-Mail: glen@popcbr.rockefeller.edu
> New York, NY 10021 G-Gunsalus@popcbr.rockefeller.edu

Hi to all grass-users,

i am currently preparing rpm (Red Hat Packages) for grass4.3 for easy
installation of grass 4.3 on most linux distributions. Maybe i can
provide a grass5.0 package later, but there are currently some problems
with packaging grass5.0.

The packages are nearly ready for distribution (and are tested on red
hat linux 5.2, 6.x and Caldera Open Linux).
But i have not the space and bandwith to provide download of them.

So if someone has an idea where to host those files (space is approx. 40
MB for binary rpms and 40 MB for source rpms) please contact me.

I uploaded the (prelimnary) spec files (this are only the files to
create the rpm distribution from, not the rpm-binaries itself!) to my
homepage (http://members.tripod.de/AndreasLange/grass).

Any comments are welcome,

cu
Andreas

--
Andreas Lange, 65187 Wiesbaden, Germany, Tel. +49 611 807850
Andreas.Lange@Rhein-Main.de, A.C.Lange@GMX.net

Bernhard,

Please do not remove the old version 4.2.1.
It is generally a good idea to keep the old versions around. You may move
them into an "old" directory. E.g. Redhat even keeps their 1.0 version
around. It might help people with older operating version or in
special situtations.

Not a problem. We keep everything! :slight_smile: From grass.baylor.edu you
can even download GRASS 4.0! We just keep them here rather than
everywhere because of limited needs/interest by the community.

Bruce

On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 07:55:48AM -0600, Bruce Byars wrote:

> Please do not remove the old version 4.2.1.
> It is generally a good idea to keep the old versions around. You may move
> them into an "old" directory. E.g. Redhat even keeps their 1.0 version
> around. It might help people with older operating version or in
> special situtations.

Not a problem. We keep everything! :slight_smile: From grass.baylor.edu you
can even download GRASS 4.0! We just keep them here rather than
everywhere because of limited needs/interest by the community.

Ah great, I found it under:
  ftp://grass.baylor.edu/pub/grass/

  Bernhard
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