[Geoserver-devel] 1.3.0-beta supports raster data?

Hello,
I have read the both two emails at the end.
But I don´t know if the beta version of geoserver 1.3 includes raster support.
Or is this a feature which which will be first included in in version 1.3-rc1 or version 1.3.0?
Best Regards,
Lars Schrader
email: lschrade[at]num[dot]math[dot]uni-goettingen[dot]de

From: Michal Malecki <michal@anonymised.com>
geoserver 1.3 with rasters <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=10898413&gt;
2005-02-18 02:23

Hello,
I am aware that raster support will be included in 1.3 version. My
question is - when it will come?
My company is hosting in June the Terena conference
(http://www.terena.nl). We want to prepare installation of NASA World
Wind (http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/)- this means clients and of
course WMS server.
We like very much geoserver, bu we must find wms server with raster
support till april, so we can decently test it (it will be serving
huge amounts of data, through very fast network (40 Gb :))). How
probably is to release geoserver 1.3 in that time?
  Regards
Michał Małecki

From: Chris Holmes <cholmes@anonymised.com>
Re: geoserver 1.3 with rasters <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=10904289&gt;
2005-02-18 14:09

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Michal Malecki wrote:
  > Hello,
> I am aware that raster support will be included in 1.3 version. My
> question is - when it will come?
> My company is hosting in June the Terena conference
> (http://www.terena.nl). We want to prepare installation of NASA World
> Wind http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/)- this means clients and of
> course WMS server.
> We like very much geoserver, bu we must find wms server with raster
> support till april, so we can decently test it (it will be serving
> huge amounts of data, through very fast network (40 Gb :))). How
> probably is to release geoserver 1.3 in that time?
  What kind of raster support do you need? Like what file format are you looking for? We were actually just discussing GeoServer 1.3 - there is a desire to get a nice stable release out in time to sync with uDIG"s 1.0 release, so that users can easily download both and have a great demo, of the two working seamlessly with eachother. We thought about keeping with 1.2, to ensure that it"s stable, but it looks like we"re going to shoot for stability with 1.3. The downside is we"re not going to be able to get in as many features as we"d like into the 1.3 release, since we want to keep it focused and solid. We will focus on stuff that is essential for a good demo - mostly very solid SLD support, good speed, and lots of testing. I"d say raster support by then is on the fence. I know it"s by far the most requested feature for 1.3, so we really want it in. But I would guess that if we don"t get it in by the end of March we could have it within two weeks, so maybe mid-April at the latest? If that"s the case you may have to help us beta test it, but I think we could devote some good time to getting it optimized for your needs, since the conference sounds like a great place to show off some geoserver capabilities - I would love to see it working with World Wind. The basics for rasters should not be _too_ hard, since I think uDIG is supporting them. It"s just a question of if we can get things integrated right. So basically we would very much like to get raster support by mid-april, and there"s a decent chance that we can. I"m not sure if it"ll be fast enough for you off the bat, so you should look into mapserver and deegree for WMS side. But email the list again when you are needing it, and we may be able to get developers working directly with you, to improve raster support for your demo (especially if we could get a public demo to point people at). It sounds like a great conference and a cool demo.

  Chris

No, 1.3-beta does not support raster data. And it looks like we probably
will not get raster support into 1.3, since we want to get a solid 1.3 out
at the end of the month, to co-incide with the udig release. So the 1.3
will consist of a package reorganization to allow more plug-ins, and much
more full SLD support, such as including sld in the getMap request, and
getLegendGraphic support. The WMS should also be a bit faster, and we may
even get good reprojection in. There will also be cascading WFS support,
and one or two other data formats are also lurking in the wings. ArcSDE
connections are also a lot faster. We know that raster is the most
requested feature, but it's also a major one, that we could not squeeze in
and get stable in a month's time. But as soon as we get 1.3 out the door,
aimed for an rc march 31 and a stable one as soon as we get through all
the tests, then we will shift to raster support. Alessio Fabiani is doing
some promising work building a WCS on top of GeoServer, which we hope to
get on a branch soon, and to incorporate into head right after 1.3 if the
work proves good. This will likely form the basis of the raster in WMS,
since WCS does many of the operations needed. So apologies for no raster
support in 1.3, but we will do our best to get it out in the next couple
of months. And of course if anyone absolutely needs it and has developer
resources we can definitely direct them (and even find developers if need
be), and get it done sooner.

Apologies, and best regards,

Chris

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Lars Schrader wrote:

Hello,
I have read the both two emails at the end.
But I don´t know if the beta version of geoserver 1.3 includes raster
support.
Or is this a feature which which will be first included in in version
1.3-rc1 or version 1.3.0?
Best Regards,
Lars Schrader
email: lschrade[at]num[dot]math[dot]uni-goettingen[dot]de

From: Michal Malecki <michal@anonymised.com>
geoserver 1.3 with rasters
<http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=10898413&gt;
2005-02-18 02:23

Hello,
I am aware that raster support will be included in 1.3 version. My
question is - when it will come?
My company is hosting in June the Terena conference
(http://www.terena.nl). We want to prepare installation of NASA World
Wind (http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/)- this means clients and of
course WMS server.
We like very much geoserver, bu we must find wms server with raster
support till april, so we can decently test it (it will be serving
huge amounts of data, through very fast network (40 Gb :))). How
probably is to release geoserver 1.3 in that time?

Regards
Michał Małecki

From: Chris Holmes <cholmes@anonymised.com>
Re: geoserver 1.3 with rasters
<http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=10904289&gt;
2005-02-18 14:09

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Michal Malecki wrote:

> Hello,
> I am aware that raster support will be included in 1.3 version. My
> question is - when it will come?
> My company is hosting in June the Terena conference
> (http://www.terena.nl). We want to prepare installation of NASA World
> Wind http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/)- this means clients and of
> course WMS server.
> We like very much geoserver, bu we must find wms server with raster
> support till april, so we can decently test it (it will be serving
> huge amounts of data, through very fast network (40 Gb :))). How
> probably is to release geoserver 1.3 in that time?

What kind of raster support do you need? Like what file format are you
looking for? We were actually just discussing GeoServer 1.3 - there is a
desire to get a nice stable release out in time to sync with uDIG"s 1.0
release, so that users can easily download both and have a great demo,
of the two working seamlessly with eachother. We thought about keeping
with 1.2, to ensure that it"s stable, but it looks like we"re going to
shoot for stability with 1.3. The downside is we"re not going to be able
to get in as many features as we"d like into the 1.3 release, since we
want to keep it focused and solid. We will focus on stuff that is
essential for a good demo - mostly very solid SLD support, good speed, and
lots of testing. I"d say raster support by then is on the fence. I know
it"s by far the most requested feature for 1.3, so we really want it in.
But I would guess that if we don"t get it in by the end of March we could
have it within two weeks, so maybe mid-April at the latest? If that"s the
case you may have to help us beta test it, but I think we could devote
some good time to getting it optimized for your needs, since the
conference sounds like a great place to show off some geoserver
capabilities - I would love to see it working with World Wind. The basics
for rasters should not be _too_ hard, since I think uDIG is supporting
them. It"s just a question of if we can get things integrated right. So
basically we would very much like to get raster support by mid-april, and
there"s a decent chance that we can. I"m not sure if it"ll be fast enough
for you off the bat, so you should look into mapserver and deegree for WMS
side. But email the list again when you are needing it, and we may be
able to get developers working directly with you, to improve raster
support for your demo (especially if we could get a public demo to point
people at). It sounds like a great conference and a cool demo.

best regards,

Chris

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Chris Holmes wrote:

No, 1.3-beta does not support raster data. And it looks like we probably will not get raster support into 1.3, since we want to get a solid 1.3 out at the end of the month, to co-incide with the udig release. So the 1.3 will consist of a package reorganization to allow more plug-ins, and much more full SLD support, such as including sld in the getMap request, and getLegendGraphic support.

Perhaps we should do a status update Chris - who is working on this stuff? I have not seen that much
activity on this devel email list? I would also plan on going to town with a lot less data support then
previous releases (geotools 2.1 has not had the benefit of your QA work yet). I know of several
outstanding issues with oracle and shapefile for instance.

connections are also a lot faster. We know that raster is the most requested feature, but it's also a major one, that we could not squeeze in and get stable in a month's time.

I concur the geotools raster support really is not quite ready yet. Chris is there any chance at setting up
a simpler API (not based on Grid Coverage Exchange?). With the recent axe of Catalog the
existing grid coverage api is "not complete". That is you cannot use it list "known" data for use in a GetCapabilities
document.

aimed for an rc march 31 and a stable one as soon as we get through all the tests, then we will shift to raster support.

What is our current cite test coverage? It would be nice to know how far off we are? We are still running
cite tests against Postgis?

Any chance of running against the WMS cite tests?

Jody

Quoting Jody Garnett <jgarnett@anonymised.com>:

Chris Holmes wrote:

>No, 1.3-beta does not support raster data. And it looks like we
probably
>will not get raster support into 1.3, since we want to get a solid
1.3 out
>at the end of the month, to co-incide with the udig release. So the
1.3
>will consist of a package reorganization to allow more plug-ins, and
much
>more full SLD support, such as including sld in the getMap request,
and
>getLegendGraphic support.
>
Perhaps we should do a status update Chris - who is working on this
stuff? I have not seen that much
activity on this devel email list?

Gabriel has done the bulk of the work, some very nice stuff indeed. I
suppose you should be giving more status updates Gabriel. Maybe core
developers who do a bunch of GeoServer work should give status updates
at the end of the week? Though his work has shown up in the commit
list and in jira. He's done the package re-org, and implemented
dynamic getlegendgraphic and sld in wms get requests.

I would also plan on going to
town
with a lot less data support then
previous releases (geotools 2.1 has not had the benefit of your QA
work
yet). I know of several
outstanding issues with oracle and shapefile for instance.

He he. My 'QA work' much more consists of geoserver users reporting
problems. Only way to qa well is to release early and often. I know
ArcSDE has had some great work, and I don't think oracle has any major
issues - it has never been super solid in the past. We won't call it
1.3.0 until these are resolved, but I see no reason to not put them in
the beta and release candidate releases.

>connections are also a lot faster. We know that raster is the most
>requested feature, but it's also a major one, that we could not
squeeze in
>and get stable in a month's time.
>
I concur the geotools raster support really is not quite ready yet.
Chris is there any chance at setting up
a simpler API (not based on Grid Coverage Exchange?). With the
recent
axe of Catalog the
existing grid coverage api is "not complete". That is you cannot use
it
list "known" data for use in a GetCapabilities
document.

Yeah, I would like a simpler API. If I or David does this work then we
will probably do that. But Alessio is doing a bunch of WCS work on a
geoserver branch, and I imagine that much of that can be re-used for
WMS. I don't know WCS too well, but I've heard in many ways it's very
similar to WMS. So if that work is being done I'm more apt to just use
it, rather than redesign the api.

>aimed for an rc march 31 and a stable one as soon as we get through
all
>the tests, then we will shift to raster support.
>
What is our current cite test coverage? It would be nice to know how
far
off we are? We are still running
cite tests against Postgis?

DavidB just ran them. I think we failed a bunch of locking, maybe 60
tests in total? But locking is always the most brittle, and it's
probably just one general problem that needs to be solved (unless
someone messed up my locking again on the 2.1 branch - this seems to
happen most every major geoserver release)

Any chance of running against the WMS cite tests?

That's the plan. Gabriel already has geoserver userBasic with the cite
data. You can get a nice map in the demo section. We definitely want
to run againt WMS cite tests.

Chris

Jody

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