[Geoserver-devel] GeoServer + Oracle HELP!

Good evening,
I am starting to use GeoServer 1.3.2 that works over an Oracle 10g database, with a 1.5.0_02 JVM. I am able to connect GeoServer to db, create Features Type, and use the sample request on them. My problem is that the Map Preview does not work with my features. I have my feature in the list for the preview but when I go to the map page anything does not appear. The system continues loading data from localhost but nothing appears, even if I wait for a long time.

I follow the documentation about GeoServer interaction with Oracle and I create a view over my table that has a geometric type MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY. Then I insert a new row in USER_SDO_GEOM_METADATA table with the view just created and I create my new feature type on this new view. But the map visualization does not work, it continues loading data…

I can’t find any solution for this problem! Any idea?

Then I have also a problem when I try to create two features type on two different tables that have the same schema. Error is:

HTTP ERROR: 500 Duplicate+AttributeTypes+DefaultAttributeType…There is any solution for this problem?

Sorry for my many questions.
I thank you for your time and for your precious help.

Best regards.

Anna Zanetti

Good evening,
I am starting to use GeoServer 1.3.2 that works over an Oracle 10g database, with a 1.5.0_02 JVM. I am able to connect GeoServer to db, create Features Type, and use the sample request on them. My problem is that the Map Preview does not work with my features. I have my feature in the list for the preview but when I go to the map page anything does not appear. The system continues loading data from localhost but nothing appears, even if I wait for a long time.

I follow the documentation about GeoServer interaction with Oracle and I create a view over my table that has a geometric type MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY. Then I insert a new row in USER_SDO_GEOM_METADATA table with the view just created and I create my new feature type on this new view. But the map visualization does not work, it continues loading data…

I can’t find any solution for this problem! Any idea?

Then I have also a problem when I try to create two features type on two different tables that have the same schema. Error is:

HTTP ERROR: 500 Duplicate+AttributeTypes+DefaultAttributeType…There is any solution for this problem?

Sorry for my many questions.
I thank you for your time and for your precious help.

Best regards.

Anna Zanetti

anna zanetti wrote:

Good evening,
I am starting to use GeoServer 1.3.2 that works over an Oracle 10g database, with a 1.5.0_02 JVM. I am able to connect GeoServer to db, create Features Type, and use the sample request on them. My problem is that the Map Preview does not work with my features. I have my feature in the list for the preview but when I go to the map page anything does not appear. The system continues loading data from localhost but nothing appears, even if I wait for a long time.

One extreme thing you can try is to see if it works in uDig? Oracle support is available as a community plug-in, and the developers there are responsive to bugs...

The reason I recommend this is that is likely that you are victim of:
- an SLD style not configured to work against "Geometry", a problem uDig has solved
- geotools data store not being set up to query the SDO_GEOM_METADATA correctly, uDig makes use of a subclass that is more capable (we were unable to smoothly offer these fixes back to the community due to communication)
- if the datastore is not good at calculating the bounds of your data from the metadata it may be that a "full scan" of all your features is done each and every time in order to calculate the transform needed to get things on screen (for a large database this is a problem).

Finally I *know* that code in geotools is not handling all the GEOM_METADATA correctly, but I now have access to a book and could do a better job, it is just mucking with setting up Oracle that I do not enjoy.

Looking at the status of the Oracle module is helpful:
- http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Module+Matrix (two stars, not very mature)
- http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Oracle (have a look through the known issues, the very first one is a blocker about table scan prevention, blocker implys the code is so broken it should not be released!)

I follow the documentation about GeoServer interaction with Oracle and I create a view over my table that has a geometric type MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY. Then I insert a new row in USER_SDO_GEOM_METADATA table with the view just created and I create my new feature type on this new view. But the map visualization does not work, it continues loading data....

I can't find any solution for this problem! Any idea?

Then I have also a problem when I try to create two features type on two different tables that have the same schema. Error is:

    HTTP ERROR: 500 Duplicate+AttributeTypes+DefaultAttributeType...

There is any solution for this problem?

Sorry for my many questions.
I thank you for your time and for your precious help.

Best regards.

Anna Zanetti

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Jody Garnett wrote:

anna zanetti wrote:

Good evening,
I am starting to use GeoServer 1.3.2 that works over an Oracle 10g database, with a 1.5.0_02 JVM. I am able to connect GeoServer to db, create Features Type, and use the sample request on them. My problem is that the Map Preview does not work with my features. I have my feature in the list for the preview but when I go to the map page anything does not appear. The system continues loading data from localhost but nothing appears, even if I wait for a long time.

One extreme thing you can try is to see if it works in uDig? Oracle support is available as a community plug-in, and the developers there are responsive to bugs...

The reason I recommend this is that is likely that you are victim of:
- an SLD style not configured to work against "Geometry", a problem uDig has solved
- geotools data store not being set up to query the SDO_GEOM_METADATA correctly, uDig makes use of a subclass that is more capable (we were unable to smoothly offer these fixes back to the community due to communication)

When did this communication mishap happen? If I can help get back it back in let me know.

Finally I *know* that code in geotools is not handling all the GEOM_METADATA correctly, but I now have access to a book and could do a better job, it is just mucking with setting up Oracle that I do not enjoy.

We've got an oracle instance on geo that I could give you access to Jody. It looks like you already have an account on the box?

Looking at the status of the Oracle module is helpful:
- http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Module+Matrix (two stars, not very mature)
- http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Oracle (have a look through the known issues, the very first one is a blocker about table scan prevention, blocker implys the code is so broken it should not be released!)

Should that really be a blocker? GeoServer users have been using it fine for awhile. I understand that full table scans are more of an issue for uDig, but that to me would imply that it should be a blocker in uDig jira, linked to a critical in GeoTools jira.

I follow the documentation about GeoServer interaction with Oracle and I create a view over my table that has a geometric type MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY. Then I insert a new row in USER_SDO_GEOM_METADATA table with the view just created and I create my new feature type on this new view. But the map visualization does not work, it continues loading data....

I can't find any solution for this problem! Any idea?

Then I have also a problem when I try to create two features type on two different tables that have the same schema. Error is:

    HTTP ERROR: 500 Duplicate+AttributeTypes+DefaultAttributeType...

There is any solution for this problem?

Sorry for my many questions.
I thank you for your time and for your precious help.

Best regards.

Anna Zanetti

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anna zanetti wrote:

Good evening,
I am starting to use GeoServer 1.3.2 that works over an Oracle 10g database, with a 1.5.0_02 JVM. I am able to connect GeoServer to db, create Features Type, and use the sample request on them. My problem is that the Map Preview does not work with my features. I have my feature in the list for the preview but when I go to the map page anything does not appear. The system continues loading data from localhost but nothing appears, even if I wait for a long time.

I follow the documentation about GeoServer interaction with Oracle and I create a view over my table that has a geometric type MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY. Then I insert a new row in USER_SDO_GEOM_METADATA table with the view just created and I create my new feature type on this new view. But the map visualization does not work, it continues loading data....

I can't find any solution for this problem! Any idea?

Then I have also a problem when I try to create two features type on two different tables that have the same schema. Error is:

    HTTP ERROR: 500 Duplicate+AttributeTypes+DefaultAttributeType...

There is any solution for this problem?

This is a long running problem, but I feel like someone actually did find an answer to it. Luca, have you run across this in your vast oracle+geoserver experience? I've had a number of users report it, and in the back of my brain I feel like it was figured out, but I can't find it by searching. Perhaps something with another table named the same thing? Even that another user owns? I feel it was something with GeoServer picking up the wrong information, but that could also be worked around by setting things up a slight bit differently.

Chris

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I thank you for your time and for your precious help.

Best regards.

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Chris Holmes wrote:

Jody Garnett wrote:

anna zanetti wrote:

Good evening,
I am starting to use GeoServer 1.3.2 that works over an Oracle 10g database, with a 1.5.0_02 JVM. I am able to connect GeoServer to db, create Features Type, and use the sample request on them. My problem is that the Map Preview does not work with my features. I have my feature in the list for the preview but when I go to the map page anything does not appear. The system continues loading data from localhost but nothing appears, even if I wait for a long time.

One extreme thing you can try is to see if it works in uDig? Oracle support is available as a community plug-in, and the developers there are responsive to bugs...

The reason I recommend this is that is likely that you are victim of:
- an SLD style not configured to work against "Geometry", a problem uDig has solved
- geotools data store not being set up to query the SDO_GEOM_METADATA correctly, uDig makes use of a subclass that is more capable (we were unable to smoothly offer these fixes back to the community due to communication)

When did this communication mishap happen? If I can help get back it back in let me know.

The subclasses of the datastores used in uDig are due to two requirements...
- need to use the database connection (so the requests can be made for the for the GeoResourceInfo objects)
- need to support a

As for timing it after the uDig 1.0 release, we could not figure out a way to allow Database DataStores to specificly optimize bounds requests smoothly.

Justin did a bunch of optimizations for PostGIS (ranging from version specific hacks, to a full table scan), and I got some for Oracle.

I did eventually create a method in JDBCDataStore that the PostGIS datastore has now used to "rescue" the code from uDig, the implementation for OracleDataStore is incomplete currently ... there were more ways to say "horizontal" and "verticle" with oracle metadata then I knew at the time.

Now that Justin has back ported the various info classes we have a chance to handle things a bit better...

Finally I *know* that code in geotools is not handling all the GEOM_METADATA correctly, but I now have access to a book and could do a better job, it is just mucking with setting up Oracle that I do not enjoy.

We've got an oracle instance on geo that I could give you access to Jody. It looks like you already have an account on the box?

Really, I will have to ask Justin about that sometime - thanks a lot I dread setting up Oracle. Unless this issue starts killing someone (and Marc tags me for help), I got my hands full with IP checks right now...

Looking at the status of the Oracle module is helpful:
- http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Module+Matrix (two stars, not very mature)
- http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Oracle (have a look through the known issues, the very first one is a blocker about table scan prevention, blocker implys the code is so broken it should not be released!)

Should that really be a blocker? GeoServer users have been using it fine for awhile. I understand that full table scans are more of an issue for uDig, but that to me would imply that it should be a blocker in uDig jira, linked to a critical in GeoTools jira.

As keeper of the DataStore API, I really want these things to work as advertised. If you check the "gold start" for quality chart on geotools there is one star for working with GeoServer (where metadata can be overridden), and an additional start for working "out of the box" as required by uDig. The more DataStores that work out of the box the easier the library will be to use ...

Given that a request for extent is needed for any use of the GeoTools rendering system I figure it is a reasonable blocker. But perhaps the issue should be moved to the rendering system? It does seem like a reasonable thing for a source of data to know....

Jody

Jody Garnett wrote:

Chris Holmes wrote:

Jody Garnett wrote:

anna zanetti wrote:

Good evening,
I am starting to use GeoServer 1.3.2 that works over an Oracle 10g database, with a 1.5.0_02 JVM. I am able to connect GeoServer to db, create Features Type, and use the sample request on them. My problem is that the Map Preview does not work with my features. I have my feature in the list for the preview but when I go to the map page anything does not appear. The system continues loading data from localhost but nothing appears, even if I wait for a long time.

One extreme thing you can try is to see if it works in uDig? Oracle support is available as a community plug-in, and the developers there are responsive to bugs...

The reason I recommend this is that is likely that you are victim of:
- an SLD style not configured to work against "Geometry", a problem uDig has solved
- geotools data store not being set up to query the SDO_GEOM_METADATA correctly, uDig makes use of a subclass that is more capable (we were unable to smoothly offer these fixes back to the community due to communication)

When did this communication mishap happen? If I can help get back it back in let me know.

The subclasses of the datastores used in uDig are due to two requirements...
- need to use the database connection (so the requests can be made for the for the GeoResourceInfo objects)
- need to support a

As for timing it after the uDig 1.0 release, we could not figure out a way to allow Database DataStores to specificly optimize bounds requests smoothly.

Justin did a bunch of optimizations for PostGIS (ranging from version specific hacks, to a full table scan), and I got some for Oracle.

I did eventually create a method in JDBCDataStore that the PostGIS datastore has now used to "rescue" the code from uDig, the implementation for OracleDataStore is incomplete currently ... there were more ways to say "horizontal" and "verticle" with oracle metadata then I knew at the time.

Cool.

Now that Justin has back ported the various info classes we have a chance to handle things a bit better...

Finally I *know* that code in geotools is not handling all the GEOM_METADATA correctly, but I now have access to a book and could do a better job, it is just mucking with setting up Oracle that I do not enjoy.

We've got an oracle instance on geo that I could give you access to Jody. It looks like you already have an account on the box?

Really, I will have to ask Justin about that sometime - thanks a lot I dread setting up Oracle. Unless this issue starts killing someone (and Marc tags me for help), I got my hands full with IP checks right now...

Looking at the status of the Oracle module is helpful:
- http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Module+Matrix (two stars, not very mature)
- http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Oracle (have a look through the known issues, the very first one is a blocker about table scan prevention, blocker implys the code is so broken it should not be released!)

Should that really be a blocker? GeoServer users have been using it fine for awhile. I understand that full table scans are more of an issue for uDig, but that to me would imply that it should be a blocker in uDig jira, linked to a critical in GeoTools jira.

As keeper of the DataStore API, I really want these things to work as advertised. If you check the "gold start" for quality chart on geotools there is one star for working with GeoServer (where metadata can be overridden), and an additional start for working "out of the box" as required by uDig. The more DataStores that work out of the box the easier the library will be to use ...

Given that a request for extent is needed for any use of the GeoTools rendering system I figure it is a reasonable blocker. But perhaps the issue should be moved to the rendering system? It does seem like a reasonable thing for a source of data to know....

Well in my mind the full table scan _works_ is just slow for large tables. Like it seems like the one gold star makes sense, but that the issue itself should maybe not be a blocker, as the datastore is useable in the renderer, just for non-huge datasets. But as you like, I don't really care.

C

Jody

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Another idea … did you make a spatial index on the layer? That would create issues too which may be masked.

On 7/12/06, Chris Holmes <cholmes@anonymised.com> wrote:

Jody Garnett wrote:

Chris Holmes wrote:

Jody Garnett wrote:

anna zanetti wrote:

Good evening,
I am starting to use GeoServer 1.3.2 that works over an Oracle 10g
database, with a 1.5.0_02 JVM. I am able to connect GeoServer to db,
create Features Type, and use the sample request on them. My
problem is that the Map Preview does not work with my features. I
have my feature in the list for the preview but when I go to the map
page anything does not appear. The system continues loading data
from localhost but nothing appears, even if I wait for a long time.
One extreme thing you can try is to see if it works in uDig? Oracle
support is available as a community plug-in, and the developers there
are responsive to bugs…

The reason I recommend this is that is likely that you are victim of:

  • an SLD style not configured to work against “Geometry”, a problem
    uDig has solved
  • geotools data store not being set up to query the SDO_GEOM_METADATA
    correctly, uDig makes use of a subclass that is more capable (we were
    unable to smoothly offer these fixes back to the community due to
    communication)
    When did this communication mishap happen? If I can help get back it
    back in let me know.
    The subclasses of the datastores used in uDig are due to two
    requirements…
  • need to use the database connection (so the requests can be made for
    the for the GeoResourceInfo objects)
  • need to support a

As for timing it after the uDig 1.0 release, we could not figure out a
way to allow Database DataStores to specificly optimize bounds requests
smoothly.

Justin did a bunch of optimizations for PostGIS (ranging from version
specific hacks, to a full table scan), and I got some for Oracle.

I did eventually create a method in JDBCDataStore that the PostGIS
datastore has now used to “rescue” the code from uDig, the
implementation for OracleDataStore is incomplete currently … there
were more ways to say “horizontal” and “verticle” with oracle metadata
then I knew at the time.
Cool.

Now that Justin has back ported the various info classes we have a
chance to handle things a bit better…

Finally I know that code in geotools is not handling all the
GEOM_METADATA correctly, but I now have access to a book and could do
a better job, it is just mucking with setting up Oracle that I do not
enjoy.
We’ve got an oracle instance on geo that I could give you access to
Jody. It looks like you already have an account on the box?
Really, I will have to ask Justin about that sometime - thanks a lot I
dread setting up Oracle. Unless this issue starts killing someone (and
Marc tags me for help), I got my hands full with IP checks right now…
Looking at the status of the Oracle module is helpful:

  • http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Module+Matrix (two stars,
    not very mature)
  • http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Oracle (have a look
    through the known issues, the very first one is a blocker about table
    scan prevention, blocker implys the code is so broken it should not
    be released!)
    Should that really be a blocker? GeoServer users have been using it
    fine for awhile. I understand that full table scans are more of an
    issue for uDig, but that to me would imply that it should be a blocker
    in uDig jira, linked to a critical in GeoTools jira.
    As keeper of the DataStore API, I really want these things to work as
    advertised. If you check the “gold start” for quality chart on geotools
    there is one star for working with GeoServer (where metadata can be
    overridden), and an additional start for working “out of the box” as
    required by uDig. The more DataStores that work out of the box the
    easier the library will be to use …

Given that a request for extent is needed for any use of the GeoTools
rendering system I figure it is a reasonable blocker. But perhaps the
issue should be moved to the rendering system? It does seem like a
reasonable thing for a source of data to know…
Well in my mind the full table scan works is just slow for large
tables. Like it seems like the one gold star makes sense, but that the
issue itself should maybe not be a blocker, as the datastore is useable
in the renderer, just for non-huge datasets. But as you like, I don’t
really care.

C

Jody

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Chris Holmes wrote:

anna zanetti wrote:

Good evening,
I am starting to use GeoServer 1.3.2 that works over an Oracle 10g database, with a 1.5.0_02 JVM. I am able to connect GeoServer to db, create Features Type, and use the sample request on them. My problem is that the Map Preview does not work with my features. I have my feature in the list for the preview but when I go to the map page anything does not appear. The system continues loading data from localhost but nothing appears, even if I wait for a long time.

I follow the documentation about GeoServer interaction with Oracle and I create a view over my table that has a geometric type MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY. Then I insert a new row in USER_SDO_GEOM_METADATA table with the view just created and I create my new feature type on this new view. But the map visualization does not work, it continues loading data....

I can't find any solution for this problem! Any idea?

The only thing that I can think of, bar a bug in GeoServer, is some kind of corrupted data: have you checked the GeoServer log already ?

Then I have also a problem when I try to create two features type on two different tables that have the same schema. Error is:

    HTTP ERROR: 500 Duplicate+AttributeTypes+DefaultAttributeType...

There is any solution for this problem?

This is a long running problem, but I feel like someone actually did find an answer to it. Luca, have you run across this in your vast oracle+geoserver experience? I've had a number of users report it, and in the back of my brain I feel like it was figured out, but I can't find it by searching. Perhaps something with another table named the same thing? Even that another user owns? I feel it was something with GeoServer picking up the wrong information, but that could also be worked around by setting things up a slight bit differently.

Actually, I had no problems with more than one feature type using the same schema, nor I've ever heard of such an issue.

Anyway, since GeoServer picks up every table/view in sight (even those the user has no access to), it's quite possible there is a clash of table names belonging to two different schemas.

I did some testing and created two tables (obsydyan.street and f1etest.street), when I tried to create a feature type on obsydyan.street, it gave me the same error Anna reported.

Therefore, I think the visibility of Oracle tables in GeoServer is just too broad, it should limit itself to the table/views the user has access to.

Regards,

P.S.
I'm not a subscriber to goeserver-devel, so include my address in your replies, please.

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FYI

I had to make a bunch of changes to Oraclespatial plugin in the complex features branch...

One of these was to explicitly state the MDO_SYS schema name when accessing the spatial metadata - some Oracle instances or users this wont work otherwise.

- I havent attempted to roll these back since there are some bigger issues and I'm waiting for the FM branch to come home, then I can test etc.

RA

Luca Morandini wrote:

Chris Holmes wrote:
  

anna zanetti wrote:
    

Good evening,
I am starting to use GeoServer 1.3.2 that works over an Oracle 10g database, with a 1.5.0_02 JVM. I am able to connect GeoServer to db, create Features Type, and use the sample request on them. My problem is that the Map Preview does not work with my features. I have my feature in the list for the preview but when I go to the map page anything does not appear. The system continues loading data from localhost but nothing appears, even if I wait for a long time.

I follow the documentation about GeoServer interaction with Oracle and I create a view over my table that has a geometric type MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY. Then I insert a new row in USER_SDO_GEOM_METADATA table with the view just created and I create my new feature type on this new view. But the map visualization does not work, it continues loading data....

I can't find any solution for this problem! Any idea?
      
The only thing that I can think of, bar a bug in GeoServer, is some kind of corrupted data: have you checked the GeoServer log already ?

Then I have also a problem when I try to create two features type on two different tables that have the same schema. Error is:

    HTTP ERROR: 500 Duplicate+AttributeTypes+DefaultAttributeType...

There is any solution for this problem?
      

This is a long running problem, but I feel like someone actually did find an answer to it. Luca, have you run across this in your vast oracle+geoserver experience? I've had a number of users report it, and in the back of my brain I feel like it was figured out, but I can't find it by searching. Perhaps something with another table named the same thing? Even that another user owns? I feel it was something with GeoServer picking up the wrong information, but that could also be worked around by setting things up a slight bit differently.
    
Actually, I had no problems with more than one feature type using the same schema, nor I've ever heard of such an issue.

Anyway, since GeoServer picks up every table/view in sight (even those the user has no access to), it's quite possible there is a clash of table names belonging to two different schemas.

I did some testing and created two tables (obsydyan.street and f1etest.street), when I tried to create a feature type on obsydyan.street, it gave me the same error Anna reported.

Therefore, I think the visibility of Oracle tables in GeoServer is just too broad, it should limit itself to the table/views the user has access to.

Regards,

P.S.
I'm not a subscriber to goeserver-devel, so include my address in your replies, please.

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