[Geoserver-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Simone3 · July 27, 2006, 2:24pm

Ciao Adit,
I took a look at the project you are working and it seems pretty
interesting, moreover it fits with what are the objectives of the WCS
work we are trying to carry out on the GeoServer.

As of the GeoServer custom version that we are about to release, focus
was on efficiently managing two dimensional coverage improving the
implementation OGC GridCoverage implementation specification present
in GeoTools and adding support for such objects inside GeoServer both
via the WMS service (for rendering) as well as for the WCS service.
A lot of work has been carried out behind the scenes, in order to
evaluate the best approach for building the back end for handling
coherently coverage datasources. As you better than me know, coverages
can be strange beasts. If we want to efficiently manage them we need
to combine coherently various techniques like tiling, caching,
decimation, pyramids, etc... hence a good back end is needed
and for that matter we looked at the following libraries, JAI, ImageIO
and also Java Bindings for GDAL.
So to answer some of your questions, the actual version of GeoServer
we developed works mainly with 2d data.

Ok, now let's talk about plans and objectives.
Next spiral of development (meaning introducing new functionality) for
GeoTools and GeoServer is ND coverages based on the ISO 19123
specification.
As I said above a lot of preliminary work has been to come up with a
framework for managing the IO coherenty and the answer right now is
mostly JAI+ImageIO.
Moreover a lot of work has been carried out in other directions,
summarising there has been significant work on ISO 19108 (time
management) and ISO 1107 geometries which has been done by the guys at
the Fire Sciences Lab in he US (thanks Bryce, Alex and whoever is
there ) plus it is worthwhile to mention the work that is about to
be merged on GeoTools trunk for the complex features management.

Clearly a lot has been done, but still a lot has to be done.
In my personal vision the steps should done as follows:

1a>Finish the implementation of ISO 19123 object for managing nD
coverage integrating work on time and geometries.
1b>Design and implement the framework for I/O which has been
completely left out of ISO 19123 hence we are pretty free to do
whatever we want.

This two task can be done almost in parallel.

2a>Integrate the objects for managing nD Coverages in geoserver WCS
This task might require quite some changes to the geoserver structure.

2b>Integrate the object for managing nD Coverage in geoserver WMS
This task includes some work on geotools rendering side for coverage
but it should not be terribly difficult.

Ok, now you know what has been done and what we would like to do. The
point is how we can proceed. The best thing would be doing an informal
IRC session someday next week and having all the interested parties
stating needs, objective, sustainable level of involvement and, last
but not least, availaible funding, because if someone come up with
money to work on this topics that would really help to get things done
quickly.

Hoping to spice up some discussion.
Simone.

On 7/26/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hello Simboss,

We are working on the DEWS project (www.dews.org.uk). One of the aims of the
project is to develop a wcs server. This should basically return 4D data
from CF NetCDF datasets stored as files or in a database. We have been
looking at the pre-existing WCS available and we came across GeoServer. Now
we are considering building based on Geoserver.

But Geoserver is large and complex and we are not finding its inner workings
very easy to understand. WCS support in

Geoserver is experimental and focused on 2-D images, rather than 4-D Data.

We also worried that the "2-D" assumption in Geoserver might be deep-rooted
and we will need to dig very deep to relax this limitation. We also found
that since GeoServer is heavily dependent on GeoTools, considerable effort
is need to extend GeoTools as well to cater for our needs.

We would basically like to know if there are any plans to have this feature
on GeoServer and if there is any possibility we could join forces to extend
GeoServer.

Cheers,

Adit

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Adit_Santokhee · July 27, 2006, 2:42pm

Hello Simone,

Thanks a lot for your reply.

In the meantime, I have been looking at GeoServer and GeoTools over last few
days with the aim of extending the current WCS branch of GeoServer to handle
4D data from CF NetCDF files, in a limited timeframe.

This will possibly involve changing the structure of GeoServer by possibly
adding a new library for 4D data.

        GEOSERVER
                        / \
                       / \
                     GEOTOOLS NEW_LIBRARY (4D DATA)

This will also involve modifying some of the existing classes that specially
deal with returning coverages: coverageResponse,
coverageResponseDelegateFactory, CoverageResponseDelegate,
DescribeResponse

This seems as the simplest way to me in the short term. It would retain the
current capabilities of Geoserver(based on GeoTools) but will be extended
for 4D data as well.

However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you think
this is a viable possibility.

Best Regards,

Adit

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 15:24
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Jon Blower;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Geoserver-devel
Subject: Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Ciao Adit,
I took a look at the project you are working and it seems pretty
interesting, moreover it fits with what are the objectives of the WCS
work we are trying to carry out on the GeoServer.

As of the GeoServer custom version that we are about to release, focus
was on efficiently managing two dimensional coverage improving the
implementation OGC GridCoverage implementation specification present
in GeoTools and adding support for such objects inside GeoServer both
via the WMS service (for rendering) as well as for the WCS service.
A lot of work has been carried out behind the scenes, in order to
evaluate the best approach for building the back end for handling
coherently coverage datasources. As you better than me know, coverages
can be strange beasts. If we want to efficiently manage them we need
to combine coherently various techniques like tiling, caching,
decimation, pyramids, etc... hence a good back end is needed
and for that matter we looked at the following libraries, JAI, ImageIO
and also Java Bindings for GDAL.
So to answer some of your questions, the actual version of GeoServer
we developed works mainly with 2d data.

Ok, now let's talk about plans and objectives.
Next spiral of development (meaning introducing new functionality) for
GeoTools and GeoServer is ND coverages based on the ISO 19123
specification.
As I said above a lot of preliminary work has been to come up with a
framework for managing the IO coherenty and the answer right now is
mostly JAI+ImageIO.
Moreover a lot of work has been carried out in other directions,
summarising there has been significant work on ISO 19108 (time
management) and ISO 1107 geometries which has been done by the guys at
the Fire Sciences Lab in he US (thanks Bryce, Alex and whoever is
there ) plus it is worthwhile to mention the work that is about to
be merged on GeoTools trunk for the complex features management.

Clearly a lot has been done, but still a lot has to be done.
In my personal vision the steps should done as follows:

1a>Finish the implementation of ISO 19123 object for managing nD
coverage integrating work on time and geometries.
1b>Design and implement the framework for I/O which has been
completely left out of ISO 19123 hence we are pretty free to do
whatever we want.

This two task can be done almost in parallel.

2a>Integrate the objects for managing nD Coverages in geoserver WCS
This task might require quite some changes to the geoserver structure.

2b>Integrate the object for managing nD Coverage in geoserver WMS
This task includes some work on geotools rendering side for coverage
but it should not be terribly difficult.

Ok, now you know what has been done and what we would like to do. The
point is how we can proceed. The best thing would be doing an informal
IRC session someday next week and having all the interested parties
stating needs, objective, sustainable level of involvement and, last
but not least, availaible funding, because if someone come up with
money to work on this topics that would really help to get things done
quickly.

Hoping to spice up some discussion.
Simone.

On 7/26/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hello Simboss,

We are working on the DEWS project (www.dews.org.uk). One of the aims of

the

project is to develop a wcs server. This should basically return 4D data
from CF NetCDF datasets stored as files or in a database. We have been
looking at the pre-existing WCS available and we came across GeoServer.

Now

we are considering building based on Geoserver.

But Geoserver is large and complex and we are not finding its inner

workings

very easy to understand. WCS support in

Geoserver is experimental and focused on 2-D images, rather than 4-D Data.

We also worried that the "2-D" assumption in Geoserver might be

deep-rooted

and we will need to dig very deep to relax this limitation. We also found
that since GeoServer is heavily dependent on GeoTools, considerable effort
is need to extend GeoTools as well to cater for our needs.

We would basically like to know if there are any plans to have this

feature

on GeoServer and if there is any possibility we could join forces to

extend

GeoServer.

Cheers,

Adit

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Bryce_L_Nordgren · July 27, 2006, 3:09pm

geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006 08:42:27
AM:

However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you think
this is a viable possibility.

I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
implementation details. However, I think we both need a common interface,
especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I think
there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I believe
he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.

Interface questions:
+ what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
+ how will 4D extent be specified?
+ is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
+ what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?

I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to flesh
out the required interface while the long term solution is under
development.

So, yeah, I think it's viable.

Bryce

Chris_Holmes1 · July 27, 2006, 3:37pm

Bryce L Nordgren wrote:

geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006 08:42:27
AM:

However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you think
this is a viable possibility.

I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
implementation details. However, I think we both need a common interface,
especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I think
there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I believe
he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.

(ccing Rob so he doesn't miss this)

Interface questions:
+ what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
+ how will 4D extent be specified?
+ is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
+ what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?

I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to flesh
out the required interface while the long term solution is under
development.

From a naive perspective, that's about what I figured too. The data side you guys are doing is a bit hacky from the long term perspective, but the GeoServer interface should be the same, and your work would hopefully re-work what we've got to handle the next steps. So I'd say take care on the geoserver side of things, abstract out your data access and make sure that the actual WCS layer continues to work with the current 2D stuff as well as yours.

chris

So, yeah, I think it's viable.

Bryce

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Adit_Santokhee · July 27, 2006, 3:47pm

Hello all,

We developed a Web Service application called GADS:

http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/GridAccessDataService

It basically provides a simple interface for downloading gridded geospatial
data. However, GADS does not depend on any specification, hence the plan to
make it WCS compliant.

In certain respects, the requests format will be similar to those provided
by the TPAC/NDG project, which extends the spec slightly for full four-d
subsetting across arbitrary dimensions:

http://glue.badc.rl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/TPAC/WCS

However, we wish to augment the spec to make provision for downloading large
(several hundreds MB) data asynchronously.

Cheers,

Adit

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryce L Nordgren [mailto:bnordgren@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 16:10
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; 'Geoserver-devel';
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; 'Simone Giannecchini'
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006 08:42:27
AM:

However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you think
this is a viable possibility.

I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
implementation details. However, I think we both need a common interface,
especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I think
there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I believe
he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.

Interface questions:
+ what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
+ how will 4D extent be specified?
+ is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
+ what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?

I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to flesh
out the required interface while the long term solution is under
development.

So, yeah, I think it's viable.

Bryce

Simone3 · July 27, 2006, 3:55pm

Ciao Adit,
would you be able to do an informat IRC tomorrow afternoon (our time
zones are very close to each other) on the geoserver channel?

That would cut help the discussion even because some people (like me)
are somehow slow to answer emails. Whoever is interested might show up
and provide commets, afterwards we might post the logs to the lsit and
see what happens.

Simone.

PS
The channel is irc://irc.freenode.org/geoserver

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hello all,

We developed a Web Service application called GADS:

http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/GridAccessDataService

It basically provides a simple interface for downloading gridded geospatial
data. However, GADS does not depend on any specification, hence the plan to
make it WCS compliant.

In certain respects, the requests format will be similar to those provided
by the TPAC/NDG project, which extends the spec slightly for full four-d
subsetting across arbitrary dimensions:

http://glue.badc.rl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/TPAC/WCS

However, we wish to augment the spec to make provision for downloading large
(several hundreds MB) data asynchronously.

Cheers,

Adit

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryce L Nordgren [mailto:bnordgren@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 16:10
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; 'Geoserver-devel';
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; 'Simone Giannecchini'
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006 08:42:27
AM:

>
> However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you think
> this is a viable possibility.
>

I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
implementation details. However, I think we both need a common interface,
especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I think
there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I believe
he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.

Interface questions:
+ what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
+ how will 4D extent be specified?
+ is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
+ what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?

I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to flesh
out the required interface while the long term solution is under
development.

So, yeah, I think it's viable.

Bryce

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Adit_Santokhee · July 27, 2006, 4:00pm

Hello Simone,

This is a very idea. However, this is my first participation.

So could we agree on a time plz.

Cheers,

Adit

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 16:55
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Ciao Adit,
would you be able to do an informat IRC tomorrow afternoon (our time
zones are very close to each other) on the geoserver channel?

That would cut help the discussion even because some people (like me)
are somehow slow to answer emails. Whoever is interested might show up
and provide commets, afterwards we might post the logs to the lsit and
see what happens.

Simone.

PS
The channel is irc://irc.freenode.org/geoserver

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hello all,

We developed a Web Service application called GADS:

http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/GridAccessDataService

It basically provides a simple interface for downloading gridded

geospatial

data. However, GADS does not depend on any specification, hence the plan

to

make it WCS compliant.

In certain respects, the requests format will be similar to those provided
by the TPAC/NDG project, which extends the spec slightly for full four-d
subsetting across arbitrary dimensions:

http://glue.badc.rl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/TPAC/WCS

However, we wish to augment the spec to make provision for downloading

large

(several hundreds MB) data asynchronously.

Cheers,

Adit

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryce L Nordgren [mailto:bnordgren@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 16:10
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; 'Geoserver-devel';
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; 'Simone Giannecchini'
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006 08:42:27
AM:

>
> However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you

think

> this is a viable possibility.
>

I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
implementation details. However, I think we both need a common interface,
especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I think
there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I believe
he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.

Interface questions:
+ what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
+ how will 4D extent be specified?
+ is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
+ what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?

I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to flesh
out the required interface while the long term solution is under
development.

So, yeah, I think it's viable.

Bryce

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Simone3 · July 27, 2006, 4:07pm

Well, I am UTC+2, tomorrow I am going to be availaible between 1200UTC
and 16:30 UTC, otherwise we can reschedule for next week during
official meeting time.

SImone.

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hello Simone,

This is a very idea. However, this is my first participation.

So could we agree on a time plz.

Cheers,

Adit

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 16:55
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Ciao Adit,
would you be able to do an informat IRC tomorrow afternoon (our time
zones are very close to each other) on the geoserver channel?

That would cut help the discussion even because some people (like me)
are somehow slow to answer emails. Whoever is interested might show up
and provide commets, afterwards we might post the logs to the lsit and
see what happens.

Simone.

PS
The channel is irc://irc.freenode.org/geoserver

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> We developed a Web Service application called GADS:
>
> http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/GridAccessDataService
>
> It basically provides a simple interface for downloading gridded
geospatial
> data. However, GADS does not depend on any specification, hence the plan
to
> make it WCS compliant.
>
> In certain respects, the requests format will be similar to those provided
> by the TPAC/NDG project, which extends the spec slightly for full four-d
> subsetting across arbitrary dimensions:
>
> http://glue.badc.rl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/TPAC/WCS
>
> However, we wish to augment the spec to make provision for downloading
large
> (several hundreds MB) data asynchronously.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryce L Nordgren [mailto:bnordgren@anonymised.com]
> Sent: 27 July 2006 16:10
> To: Adit Santokhee
> Cc: alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; 'Geoserver-devel';
> geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; 'Simone Giannecchini'
> Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.
>
> geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006 08:42:27
> AM:
>
> >
> > However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you
think
> > this is a viable possibility.
> >
>
> I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
> implementation details. However, I think we both need a common interface,
> especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I think
> there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
> collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I believe
> he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.
>
> Interface questions:
> + what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
> + how will 4D extent be specified?
> + is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
> + what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?
>
> I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to flesh
> out the required interface while the long term solution is under
> development.
>
> So, yeah, I think it's viable.
>
> Bryce
>

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Adit_Santokhee · July 27, 2006, 4:11pm

Maybe next week will be better. I will have some time to hack into GeoServer
as well :~))

Adit.

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 17:08
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Well, I am UTC+2, tomorrow I am going to be availaible between 1200UTC
and 16:30 UTC, otherwise we can reschedule for next week during
official meeting time.

SImone.

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hello Simone,

This is a very idea. However, this is my first participation.

So could we agree on a time plz.

Cheers,

Adit

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 16:55
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Ciao Adit,
would you be able to do an informat IRC tomorrow afternoon (our time
zones are very close to each other) on the geoserver channel?

That would cut help the discussion even because some people (like me)
are somehow slow to answer emails. Whoever is interested might show up
and provide commets, afterwards we might post the logs to the lsit and
see what happens.

Simone.

PS
The channel is irc://irc.freenode.org/geoserver

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> We developed a Web Service application called GADS:
>
> http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/GridAccessDataService
>
> It basically provides a simple interface for downloading gridded
geospatial
> data. However, GADS does not depend on any specification, hence the plan
to
> make it WCS compliant.
>
> In certain respects, the requests format will be similar to those

provided

> by the TPAC/NDG project, which extends the spec slightly for full four-d
> subsetting across arbitrary dimensions:
>
> http://glue.badc.rl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/TPAC/WCS
>
>
> However, we wish to augment the spec to make provision for downloading
large
> (several hundreds MB) data asynchronously.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adit
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryce L Nordgren [mailto:bnordgren@anonymised.com]
> Sent: 27 July 2006 16:10
> To: Adit Santokhee
> Cc: alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; 'Geoserver-devel';
> geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; 'Simone Giannecchini'
> Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.
>
>
>
> geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006

08:42:27

> AM:
>
> >
> > However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you
think
> > this is a viable possibility.
> >
>
> I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
> implementation details. However, I think we both need a common

interface,

> especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I think
> there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
> collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I believe
> he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.
>
> Interface questions:
> + what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
> + how will 4D extent be specified?
> + is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
> + what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?
>
> I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to

flesh

> out the required interface while the long term solution is under
> development.
>
> So, yeah, I think it's viable.
>
> Bryce
>
>
>

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Simone3 · July 27, 2006, 4:13pm

Cool, send out an email proposing day and time when you feel
comfortable about it.

Simone.

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:

Maybe next week will be better. I will have some time to hack into GeoServer
as well :~))

Adit.

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 17:08
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Well, I am UTC+2, tomorrow I am going to be availaible between 1200UTC
and 16:30 UTC, otherwise we can reschedule for next week during
official meeting time.

SImone.

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> Hello Simone,
>
> This is a very idea. However, this is my first participation.
>
> So could we agree on a time plz.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
> Sent: 27 July 2006 16:55
> To: Adit Santokhee
> Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
> geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.
>
> Ciao Adit,
> would you be able to do an informat IRC tomorrow afternoon (our time
> zones are very close to each other) on the geoserver channel?
>
> That would cut help the discussion even because some people (like me)
> are somehow slow to answer emails. Whoever is interested might show up
> and provide commets, afterwards we might post the logs to the lsit and
> see what happens.
>
> Simone.
>
> PS
> The channel is irc://irc.freenode.org/geoserver
>
> On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > We developed a Web Service application called GADS:
> >
> > http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/GridAccessDataService
> >
> > It basically provides a simple interface for downloading gridded
> geospatial
> > data. However, GADS does not depend on any specification, hence the plan
> to
> > make it WCS compliant.
> >
> > In certain respects, the requests format will be similar to those
provided
> > by the TPAC/NDG project, which extends the spec slightly for full four-d
> > subsetting across arbitrary dimensions:
> >
> > http://glue.badc.rl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/TPAC/WCS
> >
> > However, we wish to augment the spec to make provision for downloading
> large
> > (several hundreds MB) data asynchronously.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Adit
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryce L Nordgren [mailto:bnordgren@anonymised.com]
> > Sent: 27 July 2006 16:10
> > To: Adit Santokhee
> > Cc: alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; 'Geoserver-devel';
> > geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; 'Simone Giannecchini'
> > Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.
> >
> > geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006
08:42:27
> > AM:
> >
> > >
> > > However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you
> think
> > > this is a viable possibility.
> > >
> >
> > I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
> > implementation details. However, I think we both need a common
interface,
> > especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I think
> > there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
> > collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I believe
> > he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.
> >
> > Interface questions:
> > + what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
> > + how will 4D extent be specified?
> > + is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
> > + what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?
> >
> > I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to
flesh
> > out the required interface while the long term solution is under
> > development.
> >
> > So, yeah, I think it's viable.
> >
> > Bryce
> >
>
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>
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>
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Adit_Santokhee · July 27, 2006, 4:20pm

How about Tuesday 01/08/06 at 19.00 UTC?

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 17:14
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Cool, send out an email proposing day and time when you feel
comfortable about it.

Simone.

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:

Maybe next week will be better. I will have some time to hack into

GeoServer

as well :~))

Adit.

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 17:08
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Well, I am UTC+2, tomorrow I am going to be availaible between 1200UTC
and 16:30 UTC, otherwise we can reschedule for next week during
official meeting time.

SImone.

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> Hello Simone,
>
> This is a very idea. However, this is my first participation.
>
> So could we agree on a time plz.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adit
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
> Sent: 27 July 2006 16:55
> To: Adit Santokhee
> Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
> geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.
>
> Ciao Adit,
> would you be able to do an informat IRC tomorrow afternoon (our time
> zones are very close to each other) on the geoserver channel?
>
> That would cut help the discussion even because some people (like me)
> are somehow slow to answer emails. Whoever is interested might show up
> and provide commets, afterwards we might post the logs to the lsit and
> see what happens.
>
>
> Simone.
>
> PS
> The channel is irc://irc.freenode.org/geoserver
>
>
>
> On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > We developed a Web Service application called GADS:
> >
> > http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/GridAccessDataService
> >
> > It basically provides a simple interface for downloading gridded
> geospatial
> > data. However, GADS does not depend on any specification, hence the

plan

> to
> > make it WCS compliant.
> >
> > In certain respects, the requests format will be similar to those
provided
> > by the TPAC/NDG project, which extends the spec slightly for full

four-d

> > subsetting across arbitrary dimensions:
> >
> > http://glue.badc.rl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/TPAC/WCS
> >
> >
> > However, we wish to augment the spec to make provision for downloading
> large
> > (several hundreds MB) data asynchronously.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Adit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryce L Nordgren [mailto:bnordgren@anonymised.com]
> > Sent: 27 July 2006 16:10
> > To: Adit Santokhee
> > Cc: alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; 'Geoserver-devel';
> > geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; 'Simone Giannecchini'
> > Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages'

future.

> >
> >
> >
> > geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006
08:42:27
> > AM:
> >
> > >
> > > However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you
> think
> > > this is a viable possibility.
> > >
> >
> > I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
> > implementation details. However, I think we both need a common
interface,
> > especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I

think

> > there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
> > collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I

believe

> > he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.
> >
> > Interface questions:
> > + what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
> > + how will 4D extent be specified?
> > + is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
> > + what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?
> >
> > I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to
flesh
> > out the required interface while the long term solution is under
> > development.
> >
> > So, yeah, I think it's viable.
> >
> > Bryce
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
> http://simboss.wordpress.com/
>
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Bryce_L_Nordgren · July 27, 2006, 5:17pm

geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006 10:20:19
AM:

How about Tuesday 01/08/06 at 19.00 UTC?

High noon? You bet!

Bryce

Adit_Santokhee · August 1, 2006, 1:34pm

Hello all,

Just wish to confirm tonight's meeting at 19.00 UTC.

Cheers,
Adit

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 17:14
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Cool, send out an email proposing day and time when you feel
comfortable about it.

Simone.

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:

Maybe next week will be better. I will have some time to hack into

GeoServer

as well :~))

Adit.

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 17:08
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Well, I am UTC+2, tomorrow I am going to be availaible between 1200UTC
and 16:30 UTC, otherwise we can reschedule for next week during
official meeting time.

SImone.

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> Hello Simone,
>
> This is a very idea. However, this is my first participation.
>
> So could we agree on a time plz.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adit
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
> Sent: 27 July 2006 16:55
> To: Adit Santokhee
> Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
> geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.
>
> Ciao Adit,
> would you be able to do an informat IRC tomorrow afternoon (our time
> zones are very close to each other) on the geoserver channel?
>
> That would cut help the discussion even because some people (like me)
> are somehow slow to answer emails. Whoever is interested might show up
> and provide commets, afterwards we might post the logs to the lsit and
> see what happens.
>
>
> Simone.
>
> PS
> The channel is irc://irc.freenode.org/geoserver
>
>
>
> On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > We developed a Web Service application called GADS:
> >
> > http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/GridAccessDataService
> >
> > It basically provides a simple interface for downloading gridded
> geospatial
> > data. However, GADS does not depend on any specification, hence the

plan

> to
> > make it WCS compliant.
> >
> > In certain respects, the requests format will be similar to those
provided
> > by the TPAC/NDG project, which extends the spec slightly for full

four-d

> > subsetting across arbitrary dimensions:
> >
> > http://glue.badc.rl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/TPAC/WCS
> >
> >
> > However, we wish to augment the spec to make provision for downloading
> large
> > (several hundreds MB) data asynchronously.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Adit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryce L Nordgren [mailto:bnordgren@anonymised.com]
> > Sent: 27 July 2006 16:10
> > To: Adit Santokhee
> > Cc: alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; 'Geoserver-devel';
> > geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; 'Simone Giannecchini'
> > Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages'

future.

> >
> >
> >
> > geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006
08:42:27
> > AM:
> >
> > >
> > > However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you
> think
> > > this is a viable possibility.
> > >
> >
> > I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
> > implementation details. However, I think we both need a common
interface,
> > especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I

think

> > there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
> > collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I

believe

> > he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.
> >
> > Interface questions:
> > + what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
> > + how will 4D extent be specified?
> > + is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
> > + what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?
> >
> > I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to
flesh
> > out the required interface while the long term solution is under
> > development.
> >
> > So, yeah, I think it's viable.
> >
> > Bryce
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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>
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Simone3 · August 1, 2006, 6:10pm

Ciao Adit,
it is fine for me.

Simone.

On 8/1/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hello all,

Just wish to confirm tonight's meeting at 19.00 UTC.

Cheers,
Adit

-----Original Message-----
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
Sent: 27 July 2006 17:14
To: Adit Santokhee
Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.

Cool, send out an email proposing day and time when you feel
comfortable about it.

Simone.

On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> Maybe next week will be better. I will have some time to hack into
GeoServer
> as well :~))
>
> Adit.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
> Sent: 27 July 2006 17:08
> To: Adit Santokhee
> Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
> geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.
>
> Well, I am UTC+2, tomorrow I am going to be availaible between 1200UTC
> and 16:30 UTC, otherwise we can reschedule for next week during
> official meeting time.
>
> SImone.
>
> On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> > Hello Simone,
> >
> > This is a very idea. However, this is my first participation.
> >
> > So could we agree on a time plz.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Adit
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simboss1@anonymised.com]
> > Sent: 27 July 2006 16:55
> > To: Adit Santokhee
> > Cc: Bryce L Nordgren; alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; Geoserver-devel;
> > geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages' future.
> >
> > Ciao Adit,
> > would you be able to do an informat IRC tomorrow afternoon (our time
> > zones are very close to each other) on the geoserver channel?
> >
> > That would cut help the discussion even because some people (like me)
> > are somehow slow to answer emails. Whoever is interested might show up
> > and provide commets, afterwards we might post the logs to the lsit and
> > see what happens.
> >
> > Simone.
> >
> > PS
> > The channel is irc://irc.freenode.org/geoserver
> >
> > On 7/27/06, Adit Santokhee <ads@anonymised.com> wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > We developed a Web Service application called GADS:
> > >
> > > http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/GridAccessDataService
> > >
> > > It basically provides a simple interface for downloading gridded
> > geospatial
> > > data. However, GADS does not depend on any specification, hence the
plan
> > to
> > > make it WCS compliant.
> > >
> > > In certain respects, the requests format will be similar to those
> provided
> > > by the TPAC/NDG project, which extends the spec slightly for full
four-d
> > > subsetting across arbitrary dimensions:
> > >
> > > http://glue.badc.rl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/TPAC/WCS
> > >
> > > However, we wish to augment the spec to make provision for downloading
> > large
> > > (several hundreds MB) data asynchronously.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Adit
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bryce L Nordgren [mailto:bnordgren@anonymised.com]
> > > Sent: 27 July 2006 16:10
> > > To: Adit Santokhee
> > > Cc: alessio.fabiani@anonymised.com; 'Geoserver-devel';
> > > geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; 'Simone Giannecchini'
> > > Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Geotools, Geoserver and Coverages'
future.
> > >
> > > geotools-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net wrote on 07/27/2006
> 08:42:27
> > > AM:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > However it does deviate from what "your" objectives are. But do you
> > think
> > > > this is a viable possibility.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think your approach differs substantially from our approach in
> > > implementation details. However, I think we both need a common
> interface,
> > > especially if we're both going to be hacking Geoserver. Hence, I
think
> > > there's significant opportunity for collaboration. Another potential
> > > collaborator who has not yet been mentioned is Rob Atkinson. I
believe
> > > he's barking up this tree with the UK Met office right about now.
> > >
> > > Interface questions:
> > > + what is the syntax to request a 2D slice of 4D data?
> > > + how will 4D extent be specified?
> > > + is there a spec for time strings coming from a WCS?
> > > + what is the behavior if a vertical slice is requested?
> > >
> > > I think it even makes sense to use a "quick/short-term" solution to
> flesh
> > > out the required interface while the long term solution is under
> > > development.
> > >
> > > So, yeah, I think it's viable.
> > >
> > > Bryce
> > >
> >
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