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jgarnett Hi richard!
jgarnett by richard?
jgarnett Waiting for godo
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rgould hah! victory!
jgarnett 
jgarnett No chris yet?
jgarnett Sigh
rgould I _just_ got net access
jgarnett 
I noticed you droped for a bit
jgarnett Happy internet to you
jgarnett Ug quite the day eh? Any idea what we should do for a demo? I wanted to
figure that out before we talked to chris anyways
rgould I have nooooooooooooooo idea..
rgould did chris say he would make it?
jgarnett He said he would - although we might be wrong by an hour or a day.
jgarnett He may be a day behind or ahead of us
rgould oh shit
jgarnett Yeah
rgould right.
rgould hahahaha... i dunno if I can make it here by 8 tomorrow, probably, but
not sure
jgarnett So give me you number and I can phone you if he shows up
jgarnett I think it may have been 8 yesterday.
rgould don't have phone yet.
jgarnett new zealand is the first place to get the new year so he should be a
day ahead
jgarnett So we may have missed him
rgould that's true
jgarnett Well I am going to lurk, and check in every five min or so, you wanna
do the same?
jgarnett Good SC game today
rgould that was great!
rgould yeah, shall do
jgarnett Cool, how is you place?
rgould have speakers on, /msg me and i will be pinged
jgarnett rgould: ping works?
rgould a disaster, but nice gonna do some unpacking
jgarnett Nifty, catch you later man
rgould i dunno, try pinging me. I know /msg does
[ERROR] Missing required parameter message
rgould ? I don't know what /msg does?
jgarnett oh apparently an inline comment to you?
rgould slaps jgarnett around a bit with a large trout
rgould does this work?
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jgarnett Just check in every once in a while, foods up for me - cul8r
rgould shall do
jgarnett rgould: ping - chris is on geo not geotools
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jgarnett Hi richard - richard is moving boxes - he just hooked up internet 15
min ago.
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jgarnett It will take him a bit to notice us
cholmes Sorry I'm late, I got confused by channels, and ended up on #geo. I
blame it on thailand!
rgould haha.. hey hey
jgarnett Thanks for sending the email letting us know where you were
cholmes It sucks because I was actually here early, and just figured you guys
hadn't shown up.
jgarnett Sorry nice to chat with you again
rgould heh, worked okay for me. was kinda late with lack of internet
jgarnett Do you have a time you are usually on the internet chris?
cholmes So yesterday you probably saw that I got busy with jira...
cholmes Um, maybe 10-11 and then sometime in the evening, my time.
cholmes Nothing too exact, I go in the morning to download messages and figure
out what's to be done for the day, and then come in the evening and commit and
send emails.
cholmes I have to pay hourly, so I don't spend all day.
rgould how much is net access there per hour?
cholmes
http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&mode=hide&sorter/order=DESC&sorter/field=priority&resolutionIds=-1&pid=10311&fixfor=10434
cholmes about 50 cents an hour
rgould wow, that's pretty good.. the cheapest I found in Europe was in London,
at 1pound/hour
jgarnett Chris we have to make Paul a demo by the end of next week
jgarnett So we are pretty targeted
cholmes Ok. That shouldn't be too hard.
cholmes Is that all you're working on until then?
jgarnett And I have to choose a platform for that WFS client (before we have
done any research into best platform 
)
cholmes That stinks, definitely a hard call, not one I would like to make. It's
netbeans vs. eclipse?
jgarnett So a demo has deadline and is currently thrid on the priority stack (I
have a customer project too)
cholmes Ok cool.
jgarnett So you have three of us half time
cholmes I'm pretty busy next week, friend is coming into town and it's this
crazy water festival in chiang mai.
jgarnett
cholmes So I'm going to try to get 1.2.0-rc1 on friday.
jgarnett What I really need is good old fashion leadership - a hard fixed
attainable list for rc1.
jgarnett Richard and myself have FeatureType editing (ordering and adding
attributes will be tomorrow)
cholmes That should leave you with the week after to get a demo working really
nicely, and roll any little bug fixes in.
jgarnett Friday/Monday are holidays here
cholmes Well, lets go through
http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&mode=hide&sorter/order=DESC&sorter/field=priority&resolutionIds=-1&pid=10311&fixfor=10434
cholmes I put everything in that I wanted (except for documentation updates, but
I always remember those).
jgarnett On screen
cholmes Most of them are pretty minor I think...
rgould jody, did we have anything planned tomorrow?
cholmes And ones that are gabriels we can ship off.
cholmes I didn't have FeatureType editing, but would love to see that.
jgarnett Al the stuff we did not finish today
rgould cool, if that's it, then I should be able to get it done
cholmes What did you guys hit today?
jgarnett Is WMS requests working at all?
rgould more FeatureType stuff
cholmes did you see GEOS-147 ?
jgarnett It would be nice to have anything visual for a demo
cholmes yeah, the wms works.
jgarnett Yes - I needed someone who understood Reprojection to help on that one.
jgarnett I now understand enough to make the button work
cholmes Really? Even without a full database of definitions?
jgarnett Can I stick a property file of WKT definitions into GeoServer?
cholmes (showing off my complete ignorance here).
cholmes Yup.
jgarnett Then we are good
jgarnett Assign to me or David
cholmes And if the user puts a epsg code that is not supported then we just
don't generate for them?
cholmes It's assigned to you right now.
jgarnett The Action can generate an error - or not appear on the page (only have
it appear for supported EPSG codes)
cholmes cool. I'll leave it to you.
cholmes Ok, let's run through the list.
cholmes 139
cholmes Can you do linux testing?
cholmes If not we can wait for 1.2.0 and I'll figure out a way to do it, maybe
install linux on my computer.
rgould i think we can
rgould pretty sure we can actually
jgarnett Not right now: Davids linux install is broken, we can try on hydra.
jgarnett I think this one is more important than shapfile cite tests
rgould doesn't pig have linux?
cholmes I agree. I don't need shapefile cite tests for rc1.
jgarnett true - we don't have anything set up now. But you could have Davids
cite test time focused on linux rather than shapefiles.
jgarnett Okay David was trying to get it to work today.
cholmes I don't even need them for 1.2.0, but I don't want to include them in
the source for 1.2.0 if we're not passing.
cholmes Ok, yeah move him to that, I'm the old expert at cite, so I'll do it
when I get a chance, and if I can't I'll just take the directories out for the
release.
cholmes I'm more concerned with including broken tests than with actually
passing with shapefiles.
jgarnett Confused - what do you mean?
cholmes I'm fairly confident in shapefiles, as a spanish guy did a bunch of
testing with them, so passing cite is really just massaging to get it to work right.
cholmes I mean having a user target that is citeShapeTests or whatever we call
it that a user would run and have like 300 errors.
jgarnett Okay can your promote linux support to blocker then?
cholmes I think that's a worse thing that just not including a citeShapeTest
directory.
cholmes It is, 139
jgarnett Assign to David then and we can go on
cholmes That one's for tomcat, I'll make a resin one too.
jgarnett GEOS-137? I have no idea? It this a Postgis DataStore issue chris?
jgarnett Should spawn a GEOT bug...
cholmes I think it's a struts problem actually, thougH I'm not sure.
cholmes It's in global/data
rgould lemme have a look
jgarnett It looks like a table with a numeric column is not coming through as a
FeatureType - I will get the code on screen.
cholmes global/Data.java
cholmes I haven't tested it yet, I meant to yesterday but didn't get to it.
rgould hmmmm
cholmes I think to test it you need to create a new table in postgis with one of
the columns as 'numeric'
cholmes And then add that tablename as a featureType.
cholmes Well, I'll take that one today and report back tomorrow, I think I may
be able to handle it.
jgarnett The ui restricts the list to only those tables advertised by the
DataStore as being FeatureTypes
jgarnett So I think Postgis has decided to ignore the table
jgarnett Oh wait ...
jgarnett .. darn can't tell from this bug report what is going on.
jgarnett Something we would have to test at work?
rgould yeah, I can't understand it clearly either
cholmes Ok, let me take it today
cholmes which is night for you guys.
cholmes And in the morning you'll have a fix or a better bug report.
rgould cool
jgarnett Feature Lock control is there, it is done
jgarnett It is not tested
cholmes Cool. I'll try some testing today then.
cholmes What about 65?
cholmes Or is that a non-issue since we're not including oracle in the release?
jgarnett Non issue not bundling the jar will do the trick
jgarnett Still need good instructions with links though
cholmes Ok, you want to close it and make a task - update oracle documentation?
With what needs to be documented. I have other oracle documentation fixes too,
you can assign it to me.
cholmes geos-88 I'll move to the future? I won't hit it for this release.
cholmes (too late, I just moved it)
cholmes I just assigned cite tests with shapefiles to myself.
jgarnett GEOS-149 added for oracle doc update
cholmes cool.
cholmes Can I give you 128?
jgarnett I am behind chris still looking at 88
jgarnett 88 should just happen as code is encountered - don't need to go out of
our way to fix this one.
cholmes sorry (though I just gave you 128)
cholmes Right, I just moved it to 1.2.1
jgarnett it 88 or it 128?
jgarnett 128 to david
jgarnett done
jgarnett next?
jgarnett (I lost your original list)
cholmes 126 - you still want it?
cholmes To get original list just click on 1.2.0 from the front page (browse
project)
jgarnett Sure - wish those docs were not in word
cholmes what docs are those? They're in cvs in word?
jgarnett No they are in cvs as pdf
cholmes Ah, even more helpful
cholmes Guess I couldn't even really do them if I wanted to.
jgarnett (Last minuet docs right before delivery - evening before actually)
jgarnett 123
jgarnett sorry 124?
jgarnett Richard can you handle this one?
cholmes 124 is more or less the same as 147... I linked them.
cholmes I guess it has a slight bit more information.
rgould i will look into that
jgarnett Actually they are not We now keep the DataStoreConfig being edited
(out of the list) so we can edit without harming the origional until they click okay
cholmes Ah ok.
cholmes Well, I leave it to you guys, it's the same page, and therefor related
in my mind
jgarnett Struts works by "Actions" not pages
jgarnett Next?
cholmes 128
cholmes You gave it to david.
cholmes 84 is in progress...
rgould looks like osmething for me
jgarnett Richard 84 is done except for style? richard?
rgould actually I think this is done.
jgarnett Style is the only thing to check
rgould I will double check soon
cholmes I just closed 23, as I just made a new one that was essentiall that.
jgarnett 23?
cholmes Test with resin
cholmes I'll take 16, I think david wrote up some code for it, I just need to
test it.
jgarnett 1 is a duplicate
jgarnett Oh wait - do we really want to generate that dynamically?
jgarnett Or only through the config ui?
cholmes Ummm....
cholmes It'd be nice to
cholmes Though I think just the ui might be a decent start for 1.2.0
cholmes We can move it to 1.2.1
jgarnett Tell you what put it off - that way you can have a palce to start from
when the genrate BBox button works
cholmes Cool.
jgarnett We have separate pages for style
jgarnett So 84 can be close
rgould that's what I thought
cholmes Ok, you can close it then.
cholmes 125?
jgarnett away from keyboard: phone call
cholmes ok, I'm going to the toilet then.
rgould I could probably do cancel buttons easily..
cholmes Ok, I'll assign it to you.
cholmes I personally don't think it's a big deal, but if it's easy to do...
rgould I agree with you on that one, but it's not hard
cholmes cool, it's yours.
cholmes Ok, 130...we'll wait for jody.
rgould that one would probably be for me as well
cholmes Oh yeah, I didn't even look at it, I though it was the actual validation
stuff.
cholmes Ok, I'm giving it to you
rgould hahaha
cholmes See, we can totally get stuff done without jody.
cholmes 122.
rgould haha!
cholmes Jody or David, what do you think?
rgould David?
cholmes I feel like Jody might actually take this one himself, though he does
like to give work to david.
rgould ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh heh, I mis-understood what you were saying.. I thought
you were asking what one of them thought of it!
rgould I think that would be David's area actually
cholmes Ah, we'll wait for Jody.
cholmes I want to talk about 27 with him too.
jgarnett bleck my father on the phone setting up a pc (long time mac user)
cholmes Ok, I'm gonna send off some emails...
jgarnett Or carry on - richard can help and I will follow along
rgould 27 I can't really help on
jgarnett Richard you know what Me and David are good at - you can help chris
divide things up
cholmes Yeah, I'd actually like to see it in, and you'd do part of it (as Jody
would probably want it in the ui).
cholmes 145
cholmes At the very least you can probably fix the error richard.
rgould Yea.. david submitted a similar bug, but I couldn't duplicate it.. I will
try this one
cholmes But I think Jody needs to have a look at it, as I'd like that page to be
a bit different.
cholmes And 141 Jody needs to make the call if he wants it in the ui.
jgarnett Looking at 45 now...
cholmes I don't really care either way...
rgould 145
rgould not 45
cholmes It's the one I emailed you about.
jgarnett I am still just following along - proceed without me
cholmes 123 I think is you Jody.
cholmes Just a quick start definition.
cholmes 114 doesn't need to be hit, I'll move it later (I think I'll do
1.2.0-rc1 and 1.2.0 and divide up the bugs, as a few can go in 1.2.0)
cholmes Ok, we're done, I just need jody input on 141, 122, and 27
rgould Alright
cholmes And we should probably chat about the .geoserver stuff, where we want
that to roll in...
rgould I wasn't following that very well
jgarnett Okay I am back
cholmes And 145.
jgarnett 141 ? what is this about?
jgarnett Oh sorry you wanted feedback on 145?
cholmes So we have 145, 141, 122, 27, and 142
cholmes That need your feedback.
jgarnett GeoServer is limited to the set of files in the styles directory?
cholmes Yeah, can we at least get a pulldown box or something instead of the
long filenames.
cholmes I think so.
cholmes Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
cholmes (the whole style area is a mess, since I don't completely understand it.)
jgarnett richard - can you deal with this one?
cholmes I just think that limiting in that way would be helpful.
rgould I think so.
jgarnett Agreeded
cholmes Ok, I'm assigning to richard.
cholmes 27
jgarnett Well richard you must be glad you went out of your way to attend - we
are punishing you with bugs! I;; buy you coffee
rgould haha! I still owe you coffee for that DVD
rgould I don't mind!
cholmes I was actually leaning towards not implementing this, but then I was
getting troubles with shapefile transactions (which didn't work btw).
cholmes But they were writing wrong, and it would have been nice at that point
to easily change the strategy.
jgarnett the stragey seemed pretty embeded into that web.xml file
cholmes Though actually, that was a super special case, speed works perfectly
for most everything else, so I'm fine with moving 27 to 1.2.1
cholmes I don't think it would be that hard to get out, and I don't think
gabriel thought so either.
jgarnett okay
cholmes Though I could be wrong - I think it was just his natural inclination to
put things in web.xml
cholmes Ah, I'll do it 1.2.1 - I don't fell like hitting it.
jgarnett At least we have a workaround - 142?
jgarnett 142 It is a good idea
jgarnett James had a good suggestion with the preference API
jgarnett Although that may hide stuff in the registry or .geoserver files on us
cholmes Yeah, I need to move all those comments into jira.
jgarnett _geoserver would be fine on windows
cholmes Yeah, I think there's a good solution to be found there.
cholmes My question is when do we want to try to hit this?
jgarnett I think you will have to hold off on this one chris
cholmes Do we want it rc1? 1.2.0, 1.2.1?
cholmes I'm fine with holding off till 1.2.1
jgarnett that styles directory and where to locate the shapefiles I think is
what will hold us back
cholmes Ok.
jgarnett 1.3.0 - we are under orders not to change anything for 1.2.0
cholmes Huh?
jgarnett Our project leader guy (what was his name - chris ) told us not to
jgarnett This is a change that actually effects the users, I think it is a dot
release 1.3 rather than a point release 1.2.1
cholmes Yeah, but that's when I was thinking you guys would actually hit 1.2.0
during your project...
jgarnett Okay you got me - it burns it burns
cholmes Ok. When I'll move it to 1.3.0 when I make that in jira.
jgarnett It sounded like you had a few other outs chris in the Jetty front
jgarnett making a work directory or something
jgarnett Don;t get me wrong - I love the idea (it is how I expected geoserver to
work)
cholmes Though it doesn't have to affect users - we could do a default if that
directory is not found then just use the old way of doing it.
jgarnett true
cholmes Yeah, I need to look into the jetty thing.
jgarnett I think the process may turn up a couple of bugs with shapefiles/styles
(my hidden reason for thinking you should put this off)
cholmes We'll see, it will be a nice improvement, but yeah, becomes less urgent
if I can get jetty persisting, which should be possible.
jgarnett Although lets ask David to keep this in mind when he tests on linux -
we may get the ground work for free
cholmes Cool.
jgarnett The code is already set up to load from a random point on the filesystem
jgarnett It is just styles that will be annoying
jgarnett Do you want to send David a nice email?
jgarnett So we have gone through the list, and we know what you would like from us.
cholmes Yeah, styles should be redone though, the wms should be sld enabled.
cholmes Wait was there one or two more?
jgarnett I am afraid that I am not prepaired - I need to figure out a demo and
then I will have some things to add to this list
jgarnett It is not sld enabled?
cholmes 122
cholmes 27 I think
jgarnett Not sure I though you and richard finished them off
cholmes No, not user defined.
cholmes You should be able to include a sld file in your request.
cholmes We have the backend capabilities to deal with this, but it's not
integrated yet.
jgarnett May come back to you on the user defined SLD front - the WFS/WMS client
will need that one
jgarnett 27 is the speed/buffer/file issue
cholmes Are you going to do 122?
cholmes Ok.
jgarnett I need the question answered first
cholmes and 141 is the last one.
jgarnett 122? choose a b or c
rgould 141 is the option you mentioned in your email to me?
cholmes Uh, it's the gml prefixing.
cholmes Just read it.
jgarnett I did - I did not understand
cholmes Ok, so we have this option called gmlPrefixing, in the WFS section of
the config.
cholmes What it does is prepend gml: to name, description and boundedBy
jgarnett Ah
cholmes This is need to pass cite tests, since they define some of their
features that way.
jgarnett that should be covered by the use of schemaBase
rgould hmmm
cholmes But no one else should really be using it.
jgarnett we only need to apply gml when the schema base is demanding that we do so
jgarnett I think we have the knowledge now to do away with gmlPrefixing
cholmes Ok, I don't know schemaBase at all...
cholmes So can you then code it to actually use it?
cholmes Because the GML producer needs to be told whether to do it or not.
jgarnett Go to DataTransferObjectFactory in global.xml
jgarnett It is already in use
jgarnett That is how we figure out what attribute are manditory on the ui side
of things
jgarnett my bad global.dto
cholmes Ok, I'll test it out. But basically we can close 141.
jgarnett So it is not in the ui at the moment?
cholmes No.
jgarnett Okay leave it out, we should be able to deal with gml prefix based on
the schemaBase
cholmes I vote for c.
cholmes sounds good.
cholmes c on 122
jgarnett Yep done - update the comment and we will do it
jgarnett So demo wise I need a good story highlighting GeoServer and Validation
jgarnett If WMS does something I can use it to "show" the data set
cholmes Are you doing 122 or is richard?
jgarnett I have been thinking of creating a phatom WMS layer
jgarnett leave me on it
cholmes ok
cholmes (wasn't on you, but just assigned it).
jgarnett phantom layer contains the Features that last failed validation
rgould 122 seems more data based than interface, so yeah
cholmes WMS should work. And if you play with sld you can make some pretty
looking maps, you just leave the definitions in the style directory.
jgarnett Wish the user defined SLD support was in
jgarnett I could define a style on the client side that highlighted the Feature
that failed
jgarnett Suppose I could create a phantom style file though
jgarnett that may be even smoother and woudl not distrupt the code base
jgarnett Can just be a side effect of the Validation Processor, can store the
file w/ the same name as the Lock held.
jgarnett Can make it a temporary file so it is cleaned up on exit
jgarnett Ideas?
cholmes Thinking on it user defined sld really should be pretty easy to roll in
(though you'd probably get bogged down in some random little things)
cholmes I think a phantom style would be fine.
jgarnett What is the story you want highlighted for GeoServer? Complient,
reference implementation, anything else?
cholmes Interoperability?
cholmes Or are they already sold on that?
jgarnett GEOS-114? What is that ..
cholmes Interoperability for free?
jgarnett I think so, Interoperablility for free is a good one
cholmes Plugging on top of existing datastores, no buy in for them.
jgarnett Wish we had a one click installer
jgarnett I get it an infrastructure cost approach ..
cholmes Yeah, one click would be dope, and honestly I don't think it's too far away.
jgarnett GEOS-113? put off due to lack of understanding - or do you know what is
going on.
cholmes Yeah, we'll put it off.
cholmes It's wms stuff. I understand it, but we're not going to hit it.
cholmes WMS is in half decent shape, but not amazing shape, it needs a bunch of
little improvements like this, but right now it can deliver maps, which is fine
by me.
jgarnett GEOS-136 may kill my demo plans
rgould hmmmmm
jgarnett Hi richard still with us? You are our best WMS guy after all
jgarnett Did you have to deal with SLD?
rgould yes I have been following along. and no, I haven't looked at the SLD at
all. I dealt with styles a little bit.
cholmes Ah yeah, that might. I'll try to look into it to help you out, it looks
like a filter problem, and I know those pretty well.
jgarnett May have an idea how to pull the demo off - if we can generate a style
with a Fid filter highlighting any features that have been bad.
jgarnett Oh got it - you have been following along.
jgarnett can you seen any other bugs richard that are going to trouble us?
rgould not that spring to mind immediately
rgould maybe some of hte minor interface ones if they pop up
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Rich hello!
cholmes Hey Rich!
Rich Hi Chris.
rgould allo
Rich I saw your discussions with Anselm...can't we call just get along...
cholmes We're just wrapping up here, figuring what bugs to hit for 1.2.0-rc1
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Rich cool...I'll wander off
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nym hello
cholmes Yeah, I was reading up on it in the off moments here...I'll sound in
there soon.
cholmes Introductions? Richard and Jody, these guys are coming over from
irc://irc.oftc.net/geo
jgarnett So richard I think we are good - if geos 136 can be fixed
cholmes Richard and Jody both work at refractions, which has put a ton of
awesome geoserver work in.
rgould hmmm
nym nice, my name is Tom Longson, or nym
rgould ahh.. Hello
Rich The refractions stuff is amazing.
jgarnett Hiya
jgarnett We are kind of new to it as well - and amzaed
rgould yeah
jgarnett Nym? Where you from etc...
nym los angeles, ca
anselm belated hello as well
nym i run http://igargoyle.com/ and http://roam.igargoyle.com/
jgarnett way cool
anselm i'm an app integrator looking to use geoserver for an open source project
nym also notable is http://geolicious.com/ although that site is not live yet
jgarnett We were just talking about demos
rgould interesting sites, nym
jgarnett We have put in a bunch of work - and have only a couple of weeks to
make something pretty out it
jgarnett Nice to meet everyone
jgarnett anselm you may wish to talk to chris about intergration - he is trying
to figure out something along those lines with Jetty
jgarnett We were just kind of wrapping up, unless chris had something else ...
cholmes Yeah, anselm actually was the one to inspire me to make the jetty switch.
cholmes Yeah, I'm done
jgarnett lol
jgarnett We seemed to have finished the list, we are off friday/monday? Should
we meet next week - I can lurk on this chanel in the evenings or something
rgould yay! easter!
cholmes Yeah, I'm going to try to get 1.2.0-rc1 on friday, as I have friends in
town next week. So yeah, just be sure to close your bugs when you hit them in jira.
jgarnett Okay - thanks Chris.
jgarnett And richard
rgould no problem
jgarnett Nice to meet you nym/Rich
cholmes So long, thanks for showing up later to catch me in this time zone.
nym you too!
Rich nice to meet all of you!
cholmes And sorry I was late
anselm hehe
jgarnett Ah it is all good - chris should I email this logs to the list / or
anything
cholmes Yeah, that'd be great if you could email the logs to the list.