Hello Mats and Richard,
Thank you for your feedback. I hear two signals from you:
(1) there is demand for the functionality of these modules;
(2) they are currently too hard to deploy and configure, or in other words there is demand for better support.
Considering these points I think it would be good to get more discussion/questions on here and jira issue tracking going on for these modules. I am absolutely willing to respond to your questions/problems, if I have missed anything that was sent to this ML I do apologize. I also hope that with the promotion of the modules we will make progress in this department.
I can assure that the modules do work and have been put to use by different people. If there are issues with initial deployment, they are probably easy to solve if reported (I often work directly from custom builds, so that is why I might not be aware). But the modules should not be merged; they each have use cases separate from each other and serve different purposes. Perhaps their build could be combined into a single zip file, but I doubt that would be such a time saver.
I do agree that the configuration is really a very big bottleneck, and that is harder to solve:
- for CSW, the so-called "mapping file" is an absolute disaster for ISO/inspire. The system was created (by me, I admit) as it was an easy, quick and convenient way to set-up very basic, simple metadata in Dublin Core. But for ISO/inspire the mapping file becomes a monster that is extremely hard to set up and maintain. I believe CSW needs a new configuration system, using templates that are more intuitive and maintainable. So if anyone would fund me writing that, I would give much applause.
- for the metadata module, I am quite happy with the configuration system. Yes, it is also quite complicated, but that complication is a necessary consequence of the advanced customization that is possible. So it might be necessary for a new user to familiarize themselves with the module and all its possibilities. If people can't figure it out, I would say it must be a problem of documentation, so perhaps feedback and issue reporting could help to improve that.
Kind Regards
Niels
On 09/04/2022 11:55, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
Hi List,
My 1c: fully agree with Mats, being somebody getting cold when hearing 'metadata' and 'csw' in one sentence, I was still eager to try to test this in geoserver, hoping I could make this work as csw in QGIS...
But I failed miserably too (even asked mr Geonetwork for help), because of our inexperience with all the metadata lingua (profiles, mappings to fields, several xml files to edit etc etc) and just the inability to add some custom fields.
I hope this proposal would make this a little easier 
Regards,
Richard
On 4/9/22 11:10, Mats Elfström wrote:
Hi! My 2c on this proposal.
I have been struggling trying to make use of Geoserver as a metadata repository and source for published geodata. With no success. Even a vanilla installation, using unaltered sample configuration files, fails to generate any output that Geonetwork harvester will accept.
The geoserver subsystem for metadata involves 4 extensions, two of which are community and two are supported extensions. Promoting the two community modules is a good start. Maybe this will ensure that these four modules will work together as expected.
But I would like to propose an even bolder approach. To me, CSW, Metadata and ISO-INSPIRE are parts of a whole and would perhaps be easier to install, configure and maintain if combined into a single extension? If I may be so bold? And even further, made part of Geoserver core.
Metadata is the most important single factor for the availability and useability of geodata, and Geoserver is an important player in this field. Given that PostGIS lacks a built-in metadata function, Geoserver could fill that void, even if only for published data.
Some have suggested that the lack of interest in the csw-metadata parts of Geoserver is due to the fact that very few use it. But is that because it is not needed, or because it is too hard to set up and configure?
Best regards, Mats.E
Den fre 8 apr. 2022 kl 14:28 skrev Niels Charlier via Geoserver-devel <geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>:
Hi Simone,
Thanks for your vote\. Yes I am available for all questions regarding the modules and general maintenance as required or requested by the PSC \.
Kind Regards
Niels
On 06/04/2022 15:49, Simone Giannecchini wrote:
Hi Niels,
I'd say \+1 as we use at least CSW quite a lot ourselves\.
I am assuming you are also stepping up to supporting people's questions on the ML and keeping the modules following the general GeoServer development\.
Regards,
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On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 5:43 AM Jody Garnett <jody\.garnett@anonymised\.com <mailto:jody.garnett@anonymised.com>> wrote:
Hey Niels\!
Not quite sure I understand the CLA question; if you did the work on behalf of a particular government department and had their permission/authority to donate to OSGeo then you should be good\. If you are really interested in being careful you could ask the manager \(whoever paid you or authorized the work\) to sign a "Corporate contributor license <https://www.osgeo.org/wp-content/uploads/corporate_contributor.pdf>", and name the body of the work \(metadata and csw\-iso\) as the contributed work in "Schedule B" at the bottom of the document\.
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On Apr 4, 2022 at 4:49:08 AM, Niels Charlier via Geoserver\-devel <geoserver\-devel@lists\.sourceforge\.net <mailto:geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>> wrote:
Hello,
I have written up two proposals to promote community modules "metadata"
and "csw\-iso" to extensions\.
https://github.com/geoserver/geoserver/wiki/GSIP-311
https://github.com/geoserver/geoserver/wiki/GSIP-312
I believe stability, test coverage, users, are all okay\. Please discuss\.
One question about copyrights though: the metadata module was mostly
written by me \(who signed CLA\) as part of a contract particular
government department\. I believe they technically have copyrights, and
agreed to open source it\. What would be required though? Should they
sign CLA for businesses?
Kind Regards
Niels
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