[Geoserver-devel] Scheduling 1.7.2 new features

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task" issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
   Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
   into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
   something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
   is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
   coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
   From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
   one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
   at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
   as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
   This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
   on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
   FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
   all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
   into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
   work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
   This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
   This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
   (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
   to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
   data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
   parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
   else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
   This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
   new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
   them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
  get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

--
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OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
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Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

* Move geosearch module to core distribution
   http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2496

* Integrate GeoExt based styler
   http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2498

* move restconfig to core module
   http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2497

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task" issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
   Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
   into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
   something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
   is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
   coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
   From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
   one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
   at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
   as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
   This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
   on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
   FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
   all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
   into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
   work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
   This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
   This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
   (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
   to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
   data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
   parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
   else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
   This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
   new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
   them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
  get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

--
Justin Deoliveira
OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
Enterprise support for open source geospatial.

In the medium term, (targetting 2.0) CSIRO is resourcing

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-552

in the short term, IMHO it would be very useful to support GML3.2, as
INSPIRE (a bigger market for WFS than everything that has gone before)
will mandate this.

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2378

I'd be interested in seeing what else is targeted for 2.0 in the
emerging roadmap, and what it's big announcement is. Meeting basic SDI
requirements seems a pretty good reason, and we cant begin to claim
this until we land these issues.

Rob Atkinson

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Justin Deoliveira <jdeolive@anonymised.com> wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

* Move geosearch module to core distribution
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2496

* Integrate GeoExt based styler
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2498

* move restconfig to core module
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2497

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task"
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
   Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
   into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
   something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
   is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
   coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
   From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
   one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
   at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
   as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
   This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
   on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
   FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
   all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
   into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
   work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
   This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
   This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
   (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
   to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
   data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
   parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
   else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
   This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
   new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
   them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
  get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

--
Justin Deoliveira
OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
Enterprise support for open source geospatial.

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Hey all, sorry for sounding in late on this thread.

GeoSearch as a core module is the top of my list. And after that getting RestConfig as a core module - we hit it pretty heavily recently, flushed out some bugs, so it should be pretty good. I'm super psyched on the Styler stuff, and a basic version should be easy from a GeoServer perspective (and depends on restconfig). We should think about how we want better integration. Directory datastore would also be really nice to have. And ogr output for wfs would be a nice win, especially since we already have the gdal stuff, so people will be more used to the platform specific stuff.

I just yesterday got a chance to check out the 1.7.1 release. It feels really awesome, super tight in most every way. And the mac installer is great. There are a few things from a 'product' perspective that I think can make the next release even better. I'm happy to file the jira issues, but I think some may already exist in some form, so let me know if they do and I can just comment there (and I want to get this out sooner rather than later).

* Better google earth templates for our demo layers. Great job on cleaning up the metadata for this release, it makes things feel a lot more tight. And the KML preview with super overlays is awesome. But when you click on most of the layers it doesn't show off the cool stuff we can do with templates.

* When GeoSearch per layer about pages are in, we should be sure to link to them from the preview page.

*GeoWebCache integration feedback*
It's really great we have GWC as a part of things. I think we should work on both making it more obvious that users can use it, and to integrate it more directly

* GWC options in openlayers preview. At the very least the drop down should be 'single tile, tiled, and cached'. Ideally we would also have buttons in there to 'truncate cache' (for when a user changes a style), and even 'seed the cache'.

* More prominent links to GWC from admin console - perhaps on the front page, along with the capabilities links. And perhaps links from the demo page.

* Real tiling integration - right now we make an in memory tile cache when tile requests come in. Better would be to check the GWC cache to see if a tile is already there. And to add it if it's not. Then GeoServer would have seamless caching whenever tiling clients are used. For this to work really well we'd need GWC listening to styling config changes and transactions (and anything else that may affect rendering), so that people don't change styles and continue to see the old. But we also could just have a useCache param or something in the wms request?

* KML super overlays to use gwc. Right now it looks like the preview kml stuff doesn't use the caching? That's probably how people are going to be referencing their kml layers? We should make the docs encourage caching stuff. And eventually do the same as above - smart caching that updates on changes.

*Installers*

The mac installer is now way better than the others. We should step up on the others.

* Linux installers - be able to do debian/ubuntu apt-get and redhat rpm

* Better windows installer - run as a service. There should be lots of good examples that we can use now, with nice console and stop/start windows.

*Docs*

Really, from a product perspective, this should probably be the highest priority. Our tech is kicking major ass, we need to make it more obvious to people how to use it. The RestConfig stuff in particular will need a lot of documentation and examples and sample scripts. But we've known for awhile that most of the docs could use some love. I'd like us to make a commitment to being the best document geospatial server, open source or otherwise.

But in general things are feeling pretty awesome. I have a bit more, but I'll send another email about that stuff.

best regards,

Chris

Rob Atkinson wrote:

In the medium term, (targetting 2.0) CSIRO is resourcing

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-552

in the short term, IMHO it would be very useful to support GML3.2, as
INSPIRE (a bigger market for WFS than everything that has gone before)
will mandate this.

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2378

I'd be interested in seeing what else is targeted for 2.0 in the
emerging roadmap, and what it's big announcement is. Meeting basic SDI
requirements seems a pretty good reason, and we cant begin to claim
this until we land these issues.

Rob Atkinson

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Justin Deoliveira <jdeolive@anonymised.com> wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

* Move geosearch module to core distribution
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2496

* Integrate GeoExt based styler
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2498

* move restconfig to core module
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2497

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task"
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
   Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
   into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
   something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
   is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
   coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
   From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
   one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
   at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
   as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
   This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
   on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
   FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
   all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
   into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
   work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
   This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
   This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
   (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
   to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
   data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
   parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
   else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
   This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
   new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
   them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
  get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

--
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OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
Enterprise support for open source geospatial.

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Quick email about near future, more will follow...

- 1.7.x (where x should be 2) -
-- getlegendgraphics for rastersymbolizer
-- restupload without actually moving files around (serve me from
where I am fashion)
-- possibility geotiff module supporting tiff files with tfw and prj (
this now resides in a separate plugin=
-- bring imageio-ext-gdal plugins to supported state (this depend on
the 1.0 release of imageio-ext)

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On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Justin Deoliveira <jdeolive@anonymised.com> wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

* Move geosearch module to core distribution
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2496

* Integrate GeoExt based styler
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2498

* move restconfig to core module
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2497

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task"
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
   Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
   into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
   something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
   is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
   coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
   From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
   one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
   at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
   as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
   This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
   on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
   FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
   all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
   into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
   work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
   This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
   This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
   (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
   to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
   data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
   parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
   else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
   This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
   new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
   them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
  get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

--
Justin Deoliveira
OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
Enterprise support for open source geospatial.

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Chris Holmes ha scritto:

Hey all, sorry for sounding in late on this thread.

GeoSearch as a core module is the top of my list. And after that getting RestConfig as a core module - we hit it pretty heavily recently, flushed out some bugs, so it should be pretty good. I'm super psyched on the Styler stuff, and a basic version should be easy from a GeoServer perspective (and depends on restconfig). We should think about how we want better integration. Directory datastore would also be really nice to have.

I looked into it a bit, and I would like to propose a rewrite for
it. I mean, don't be scare by the term, the datastore is really
just 2 classes now, I would replace it but slightly less more.
I have some ideas in mind, shall I start a discussion on gt2-devel?

And ogr output for wfs would be a nice win, especially since we already have the gdal stuff, so people will be more used to the platform specific stuff.

Sure. The idea here is a bit different in that we would use
ogr2ogr executable instead of my old attempt at an OGR data store
(export to shapefile, ogr2ogr to whatever other format).
Upsides:
- the user can use whatever is shipped on her plaftorm (think
   unix users)
- if ogr2ogr crashes GeoServer lives happily along and can
   report a service exception
- ogr2ogr is available in binary form for many platforms and
   we don't need to move a finger
Downsides:
- less control over the feature type in output (we're basically
   stuck with the shapefile limitations)
- using shapefile in the middle means paying a performance price...
   I guess this is not much relevant thought, since extracting
   a file is pretty much a one time operation, whilst say GML
   clients such as uDig tend to make requests over and over

* When GeoSearch per layer about pages are in, we should be sure to link to them from the preview page.

Those output pages concern me a little bit as you have a direct
"download as shapefile link". As much as I know the functionality
was there before, now it's right in the face of a user.
Shapefile output does not stream, if the admin is not very careful
to setup a small maxFeatures limit the server will end up doing
a very long processing to create and zip the file even if the
user is not really waiting for it anymore
Think random user that wanders around the previews, hit a
shapefile link, takes too much time, then moves to another type,
and so on.

*GeoWebCache integration feedback*
It's really great we have GWC as a part of things. I think we should work on both making it more obvious that users can use it, and to integrate it more directly

* GWC options in openlayers preview. At the very least the drop down should be 'single tile, tiled, and cached'. Ideally we would also have buttons in there to 'truncate cache' (for when a user changes a style), and even 'seed the cache'.

Again from the resource usage department, do we really want to show
in a easy for a random user to use position the "cache" option
that has the side effect of consuming server side disk space?
Arne, is there any way to have the out of the box GeoServer never
use more than X megabytes grand total in the cache (not per type,
globally)?

The two buttons seem like a good idea, but they should work only
for the admin. Is the browser going to ask for credentials if
you're not logged in?

* More prominent links to GWC from admin console - perhaps on the front page, along with the capabilities links. And perhaps links from the demo page.

Nice one.

* Real tiling integration - right now we make an in memory tile cache when tile requests come in. Better would be to check the GWC cache to see if a tile is already there. And to add it if it's not. Then GeoServer would have seamless caching whenever tiling clients are used. For this to work really well we'd need GWC listening to styling config changes and transactions (and anything else that may affect rendering), so that people don't change styles and continue to see the old. But we also could just have a useCache param or something in the wms request?

Yep, very much agreed this is a good idea. Imho we should give the
admin more control too. Do we want a certain layer to be cacheable?
What is the max amount of disk we allow for caching each type, and what
is the grand total max amount?

*Installers*

The mac installer is now way better than the others. We should step up on the others.

Suggestions on how to make the Win better? We also miss sorely
.rpm and .deb, I would invest more time in them before making the
win installer better.

*Docs*

Really, from a product perspective, this should probably be the highest priority. Our tech is kicking major ass, we need to make it more obvious to people how to use it. The RestConfig stuff in particular will need a lot of documentation and examples and sample scripts. But we've known for awhile that most of the docs could use some love. I'd like us to make a commitment to being the best document geospatial server, open source or otherwise.

Docs wise, what about screenshots? They are important for ease of
use of the docs, but the UI is going to change a lot...

Cheers
Andrea

--
Andrea Aime
OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
Expert service straight from the developers.

Andrea Aime wrote:

Chris Holmes ha scritto:

Hey all, sorry for sounding in late on this thread.

GeoSearch as a core module is the top of my list. And after that getting RestConfig as a core module - we hit it pretty heavily recently, flushed out some bugs, so it should be pretty good. I'm super psyched on the Styler stuff, and a basic version should be easy from a GeoServer perspective (and depends on restconfig). We should think about how we want better integration. Directory datastore would also be really nice to have.

I looked into it a bit, and I would like to propose a rewrite for
it. I mean, don't be scare by the term, the datastore is really
just 2 classes now, I would replace it but slightly less more.
I have some ideas in mind, shall I start a discussion on gt2-devel?

Sure, sounds good.

And ogr output for wfs would be a nice win, especially since we already have the gdal stuff, so people will be more used to the platform specific stuff.

Sure. The idea here is a bit different in that we would use
ogr2ogr executable instead of my old attempt at an OGR data store
(export to shapefile, ogr2ogr to whatever other format).
Upsides:
- the user can use whatever is shipped on her plaftorm (think
  unix users)
- if ogr2ogr crashes GeoServer lives happily along and can
  report a service exception
- ogr2ogr is available in binary form for many platforms and
  we don't need to move a finger
Downsides:
- less control over the feature type in output (we're basically
  stuck with the shapefile limitations)
- using shapefile in the middle means paying a performance price...
  I guess this is not much relevant thought, since extracting
  a file is pretty much a one time operation, whilst say GML
  clients such as uDig tend to make requests over and over

This sounds like the way to go to me.

* When GeoSearch per layer about pages are in, we should be sure to link to them from the preview page.

Those output pages concern me a little bit as you have a direct
"download as shapefile link". As much as I know the functionality
was there before, now it's right in the face of a user.
Shapefile output does not stream, if the admin is not very careful
to setup a small maxFeatures limit the server will end up doing
a very long processing to create and zip the file even if the
user is not really waiting for it anymore
Think random user that wanders around the previews, hit a
shapefile link, takes too much time, then moves to another type,
and so on.

Yeah, my first item on the GeoWebCache roadmap post 1.0 is to have it cache WFS requests, like exactly the links that are there. So the first user to hit it will generate it, and then GWC will just keep it on disk to return to the next. Eventually hook up to the ability to listen to transactions.

*GeoWebCache integration feedback*
It's really great we have GWC as a part of things. I think we should work on both making it more obvious that users can use it, and to integrate it more directly

* GWC options in openlayers preview. At the very least the drop down should be 'single tile, tiled, and cached'. Ideally we would also have buttons in there to 'truncate cache' (for when a user changes a style), and even 'seed the cache'.

Again from the resource usage department, do we really want to show
in a easy for a random user to use position the "cache" option
that has the side effect of consuming server side disk space?
Arne, is there any way to have the out of the box GeoServer never
use more than X megabytes grand total in the cache (not per type,
globally)?

Good point. Yeah, should put that in GWC, if it's not already. A max total disk size, and use LRU to remove stuff.

The two buttons seem like a good idea, but they should work only
for the admin. Is the browser going to ask for credentials if
you're not logged in?

Ah yes. Could perhaps be easier to make it only show up if you're an admin? Will have to ask some javascript people.

* Real tiling integration - right now we make an in memory tile cache when tile requests come in. Better would be to check the GWC cache to see if a tile is already there. And to add it if it's not. Then GeoServer would have seamless caching whenever tiling clients are used. For this to work really well we'd need GWC listening to styling config changes and transactions (and anything else that may affect rendering), so that people don't change styles and continue to see the old. But we also could just have a useCache param or something in the wms request?

Yep, very much agreed this is a good idea. Imho we should give the
admin more control too. Do we want a certain layer to be cacheable?
What is the max amount of disk we allow for caching each type, and what
is the grand total max amount?

Yeah, that should probably just be config options in gwc.

*Installers*

The mac installer is now way better than the others. We should step up on the others.

Suggestions on how to make the Win better?

Make it run as a service. That's the big request.

We also miss sorely
.rpm and .deb, I would invest more time in them before making the
win installer better.

Agreed.

--
Chris Holmes
OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
Expert service straight from the developers.

Andrea Aime ha scritto:

Chris Holmes ha scritto:

Hey all, sorry for sounding in late on this thread.

GeoSearch as a core module is the top of my list. And after that getting RestConfig as a core module - we hit it pretty heavily recently, flushed out some bugs, so it should be pretty good. I'm super psyched on the Styler stuff, and a basic version should be easy from a GeoServer perspective (and depends on restconfig). We should think about how we want better integration. Directory datastore would also be really nice to have.

I looked into it a bit, and I would like to propose a rewrite for
it. I mean, don't be scare by the term, the datastore is really
just 2 classes now, I would replace it but slightly less more.

Slightly less more uh? Sigh, I should get a break.
I wanted to say the rewrite is not going to be much more expensive
than trying to fix the major issues in the current one, but
with a rewrite we can get better functionality too.

Cheers
Andrea

--
Andrea Aime
OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
Expert service straight from the developers.

Simone,
Is there any way currently (or in 1.7.x) to use the GDAL GeoTiff drivers instead of the built in GeoServer ones? I ask this because

  1. Can’t get BigTIFF to work in GeoServer
  2. Can’t get internally tiled JPEG in GeoTiff to work
  3. Can’t seem to get tiled overviews in GeoTiff to work

Maybe I’m doing something wrong? These were all tested using a very big GeoTIFF.

Roger

Roger Bedell, President Sylvan Ascent Inc.
800-362-8971
+34 626 855 662
roger@anonymised.com
www.sylvanascent.com
www.topodepot.com



From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simone.giannecchini@anonymised.com]
Sent: Thu 12/11/2008 12:12 PM
To: Justin Deoliveira
Cc: Geoserver-devel; Andrea Aime
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-devel] Creating the initial road map (was:Scheduling 1.7.2 new features)

Quick email about near future, more will follow…

  • 1.7.x (where x should be 2) -
    – getlegendgraphics for rastersymbolizer
    – restupload without actually moving files around (serve me from
    where I am fashion)
    – possibility geotiff module supporting tiff files with tfw and prj (
    this now resides in a separate plugin=
    – bring imageio-ext-gdal plugins to supported state (this depend on
    the 1.0 release of imageio-ext)

Simone.


Ing. Simone Giannecchini
GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Owner - Software Engineer
Via Carignoni 51
55041 Camaiore (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584983027
fax: +39 0584983027
mob: +39 333 8128928

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://simboss.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonegiannecchini


On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Justin Deoliveira jdeolive@anonymised.com wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I’ve been looking into Jira for “New Feature”, “Improvement” or “Task”
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about “New Feature”, but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It’s not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
    Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
    into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
    something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
    is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
    coming togheter already.
  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
    From the “I love low effort big gain” department, here is
    one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
    at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
    as a started
  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
    This one is from “pain in the axe” :wink: department, I keep
    on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
    FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
    all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
    into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
    work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
    This is almost done, so why not?
  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
    This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
    (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
    to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
    data 100m away only because it’s using the Sardinia ellipsoid
    parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
    else
  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
    This one I have already in progress as well, and it’s a nice
    new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
    them with WFS

Well, that’s sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else’s
get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea


Justin Deoliveira
OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
Enterprise support for open source geospatial.


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Dear Roger,
we are right now finalizing the 1.0 release of imageio-ext therefore
these questions come at the right moment.
Now the answers:

1> not with release 1.0 of imageio-ext which build upon gdal 1.4.4
which has no support for bigtiff. Notice that release 1.1 will build
upon gdal 1.5.3 which does support bigtiff.
2> this works usually, it might be an installation problem on your side.
3> same as 2

Conclusion is that to help you out with 2 and 3 I'd need more information.

Simone.
-------------------------------------------------------
Ing. Simone Giannecchini
GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Owner - Software Engineer
Via Carignoni 51
55041 Camaiore (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584983027
fax: +39 0584983027
mob: +39 333 8128928

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://simboss.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonegiannecchini

-------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Sylvan Ascent Inc.
<sylvanascent@anonymised.com> wrote:

Simone,
Is there any way currently (or in 1.7.x) to use the GDAL GeoTiff drivers
instead of the built in GeoServer ones? I ask this because

1) Can't get BigTIFF to work in GeoServer
2) Can't get internally tiled JPEG in GeoTiff to work
3) Can't seem to get tiled overviews in GeoTiff to work

Maybe I'm doing something wrong? These were all tested using a very big
GeoTIFF.

Roger

Roger Bedell, President Sylvan Ascent Inc.
800-362-8971
+34 626 855 662
roger@anonymised.com
www.sylvanascent.com
www.topodepot.com

________________________________
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simone.giannecchini@anonymised.com]
Sent: Thu 12/11/2008 12:12 PM
To: Justin Deoliveira
Cc: Geoserver-devel; Andrea Aime
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-devel] Creating the initial road map (was:Scheduling
1.7.2 new features)

Quick email about near future, more will follow...

- 1.7.x (where x should be 2) -
-- getlegendgraphics for rastersymbolizer
-- restupload without actually moving files around (serve me from
where I am fashion)
-- possibility geotiff module supporting tiff files with tfw and prj (
this now resides in a separate plugin=
-- bring imageio-ext-gdal plugins to supported state (this depend on
the 1.0 release of imageio-ext)

Simone.

-------------------------------------------------------
Ing. Simone Giannecchini
GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Owner - Software Engineer
Via Carignoni 51
55041 Camaiore (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584983027
fax: +39 0584983027
mob: +39 333 8128928

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://simboss.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonegiannecchini

-------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Justin Deoliveira <jdeolive@anonymised.com>
wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

* Move geosearch module to core distribution
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2496

* Integrate GeoExt based styler
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2498

* move restconfig to core module
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2497

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task"
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
   Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
   into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
   something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
   is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
   coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
   From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
   one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
   at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
   as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
   This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
   on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
   FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
   all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
   into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
   work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
   This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
   This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
   (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
   to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
   data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
   parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
   else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
   This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
   new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
   them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
  get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

--
Justin Deoliveira
OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
Enterprise support for open source geospatial.

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Hi Simone,
Thanks for the info - so the normal GeoServer TIFF driver uses GDAL?

Roger

Roger Bedell, President Sylvan Ascent Inc.
800-362-8971
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From: simboss1@anonymised.com on behalf of Simone Giannecchini
Sent: Thu 12/11/2008 1:59 PM
To: Sylvan Ascent Inc.
Cc: Geoserver-devel
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-devel] Creating the initial road map (was:Scheduling 1.7.2 new features)

Dear Roger,
we are right now finalizing the 1.0 release of imageio-ext therefore
these questions come at the right moment.
Now the answers:

1> not with release 1.0 of imageio-ext which build upon gdal 1.4.4
which has no support for bigtiff. Notice that release 1.1 will build
upon gdal 1.5.3 which does support bigtiff.
2> this works usually, it might be an installation problem on your side.
3> same as 2

Conclusion is that to help you out with 2 and 3 I’d need more information.

Simone.

Ing. Simone Giannecchini
GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Owner - Software Engineer
Via Carignoni 51
55041 Camaiore (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584983027
fax: +39 0584983027
mob: +39 333 8128928

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://simboss.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonegiannecchini


On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Sylvan Ascent Inc.
sylvanascent@anonymised.com wrote:

Simone,
Is there any way currently (or in 1.7.x) to use the GDAL GeoTiff drivers
instead of the built in GeoServer ones? I ask this because

  1. Can’t get BigTIFF to work in GeoServer
  2. Can’t get internally tiled JPEG in GeoTiff to work
  3. Can’t seem to get tiled overviews in GeoTiff to work

Maybe I’m doing something wrong? These were all tested using a very big
GeoTIFF.

Roger

Roger Bedell, President Sylvan Ascent Inc.
800-362-8971
+34 626 855 662
roger@anonymised.com
www.sylvanascent.com
www.topodepot.com


From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simone.giannecchini@anonymised.com]
Sent: Thu 12/11/2008 12:12 PM
To: Justin Deoliveira
Cc: Geoserver-devel; Andrea Aime
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-devel] Creating the initial road map (was:Scheduling
1.7.2 new features)

Quick email about near future, more will follow…

  • 1.7.x (where x should be 2) -
    – getlegendgraphics for rastersymbolizer
    – restupload without actually moving files around (serve me from
    where I am fashion)
    – possibility geotiff module supporting tiff files with tfw and prj (
    this now resides in a separate plugin=
    – bring imageio-ext-gdal plugins to supported state (this depend on
    the 1.0 release of imageio-ext)

Simone.


Ing. Simone Giannecchini
GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Owner - Software Engineer
Via Carignoni 51
55041 Camaiore (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584983027
fax: +39 0584983027
mob: +39 333 8128928

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://simboss.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonegiannecchini


On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Justin Deoliveira jdeolive@anonymised.com
wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I’ve been looking into Jira for “New Feature”, “Improvement” or “Task”
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about “New Feature”, but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It’s not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
    Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
    into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
    something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
    is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
    coming togheter already.
  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
    From the “I love low effort big gain” department, here is
    one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
    at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
    as a started
  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
    This one is from “pain in the axe” :wink: department, I keep
    on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
    FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
    all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
    into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
    work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
    This is almost done, so why not?
  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
    This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
    (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
    to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
    data 100m away only because it’s using the Sardinia ellipsoid
    parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
    else
  • http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
    This one I have already in progress as well, and it’s a nice
    new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
    them with WFS

Well, that’s sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else’s
get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea


Justin Deoliveira
OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
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Nope,
we did some tests and performce was comparable hence, we did not
enable the gdal geotiff driver.

Simone.
-------------------------------------------------------
Ing. Simone Giannecchini
GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Owner - Software Engineer
Via Carignoni 51
55041 Camaiore (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584983027
fax: +39 0584983027
mob: +39 333 8128928

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://simboss.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonegiannecchini

-------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Sylvan Ascent Inc.
<sylvanascent@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hi Simone,
Thanks for the info - so the normal GeoServer TIFF driver uses GDAL?

Roger

Roger Bedell, President Sylvan Ascent Inc.
800-362-8971
+34 626 855 662
roger@anonymised.com
www.sylvanascent.com
www.topodepot.com

________________________________
From: simboss1@anonymised.com on behalf of Simone Giannecchini
Sent: Thu 12/11/2008 1:59 PM
To: Sylvan Ascent Inc.
Cc: Geoserver-devel
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-devel] Creating the initial road map (was:Scheduling
1.7.2 new features)

Dear Roger,
we are right now finalizing the 1.0 release of imageio-ext therefore
these questions come at the right moment.
Now the answers:

1> not with release 1.0 of imageio-ext which build upon gdal 1.4.4
which has no support for bigtiff. Notice that release 1.1 will build
upon gdal 1.5.3 which does support bigtiff.
2> this works usually, it might be an installation problem on your side.
3> same as 2

Conclusion is that to help you out with 2 and 3 I'd need more information.

Simone.
-------------------------------------------------------
Ing. Simone Giannecchini
GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Owner - Software Engineer
Via Carignoni 51
55041 Camaiore (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584983027
fax: +39 0584983027
mob: +39 333 8128928

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://simboss.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonegiannecchini

-------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Sylvan Ascent Inc.
<sylvanascent@anonymised.com> wrote:

Simone,
Is there any way currently (or in 1.7.x) to use the GDAL GeoTiff drivers
instead of the built in GeoServer ones? I ask this because

1) Can't get BigTIFF to work in GeoServer
2) Can't get internally tiled JPEG in GeoTiff to work
3) Can't seem to get tiled overviews in GeoTiff to work

Maybe I'm doing something wrong? These were all tested using a very big
GeoTIFF.

Roger

Roger Bedell, President Sylvan Ascent Inc.
800-362-8971
+34 626 855 662
roger@anonymised.com
www.sylvanascent.com
www.topodepot.com

________________________________
From: Simone Giannecchini [mailto:simone.giannecchini@anonymised.com]
Sent: Thu 12/11/2008 12:12 PM
To: Justin Deoliveira
Cc: Geoserver-devel; Andrea Aime
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-devel] Creating the initial road map
(was:Scheduling
1.7.2 new features)

Quick email about near future, more will follow...

- 1.7.x (where x should be 2) -
-- getlegendgraphics for rastersymbolizer
-- restupload without actually moving files around (serve me from
where I am fashion)
-- possibility geotiff module supporting tiff files with tfw and prj (
this now resides in a separate plugin=
-- bring imageio-ext-gdal plugins to supported state (this depend on
the 1.0 release of imageio-ext)

Simone.

-------------------------------------------------------
Ing. Simone Giannecchini
GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Owner - Software Engineer
Via Carignoni 51
55041 Camaiore (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584983027
fax: +39 0584983027
mob: +39 333 8128928

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://simboss.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonegiannecchini

-------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Justin Deoliveira <jdeolive@anonymised.com>
wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

* Move geosearch module to core distribution
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2496

* Integrate GeoExt based styler
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2498

* move restconfig to core module
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2497

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task"
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
   Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
   into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
   something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
   is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
   coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
   From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
   one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
   at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
   as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
   This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
   on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
   FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
   all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
   into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
   work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
   This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
   This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
   (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
   to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
   data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
   parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
   else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
   This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
   new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
   them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
  get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

--
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OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
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Simone Giannecchini ha scritto:

Nope,
we did some tests and performce was comparable hence, we did not
enable the gdal geotiff driver.

For some comparison between GeoServer + JAI image I/O
native extensions and MapServer + GDAL on GeoTiff files
see also here:
http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2008/paper/view/256/191

Cheers
Andrea

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Expert service straight from the developers.

There is an underlying thread here - Geoserver needs to leverage
deployed infrastructures to be most useful.

1.7 is (quite sensibly) about the most prevalent infrastructures -
Google (and other) environments that provide base maps, mash-ups with
existing data stores, and to a certain extent REST-based exploitation.
Lets call this SDI-for-viewing

IMHO Version 2 should be aimed at what INSPIRE aims to achieve, which
is SDI-for-data (and brings us back full-circle to the original
geoserver vision). This should not preclude the viewing function, but
will require closer attention to metadata transparency, and in
particular the ability to synchronise remote data stroes from an
authoritative source without loss of information.

emphasis on viewing = convienience and speed. Emphasis on data =
transmission reliability.

As a basic structure, this might provide a coherent high level road
map that the end user community could understand?

Rob A

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Chris Holmes <cholmes@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hey all, sorry for sounding in late on this thread.

GeoSearch as a core module is the top of my list. And after that getting
RestConfig as a core module - we hit it pretty heavily recently, flushed out
some bugs, so it should be pretty good. I'm super psyched on the Styler
stuff, and a basic version should be easy from a GeoServer perspective (and
depends on restconfig). We should think about how we want better
integration. Directory datastore would also be really nice to have. And
ogr output for wfs would be a nice win, especially since we already have the
gdal stuff, so people will be more used to the platform specific stuff.

I just yesterday got a chance to check out the 1.7.1 release. It feels
really awesome, super tight in most every way. And the mac installer is
great. There are a few things from a 'product' perspective that I think can
make the next release even better. I'm happy to file the jira issues, but I
think some may already exist in some form, so let me know if they do and I
can just comment there (and I want to get this out sooner rather than
later).

* Better google earth templates for our demo layers. Great job on cleaning
up the metadata for this release, it makes things feel a lot more tight.
And the KML preview with super overlays is awesome. But when you click on
most of the layers it doesn't show off the cool stuff we can do with
templates.

* When GeoSearch per layer about pages are in, we should be sure to link to
them from the preview page.

*GeoWebCache integration feedback*
It's really great we have GWC as a part of things. I think we should work
on both making it more obvious that users can use it, and to integrate it
more directly

* GWC options in openlayers preview. At the very least the drop down should
be 'single tile, tiled, and cached'. Ideally we would also have buttons in
there to 'truncate cache' (for when a user changes a style), and even 'seed
the cache'.

* More prominent links to GWC from admin console - perhaps on the front
page, along with the capabilities links. And perhaps links from the demo
page.

* Real tiling integration - right now we make an in memory tile cache when
tile requests come in. Better would be to check the GWC cache to see if a
tile is already there. And to add it if it's not. Then GeoServer would
have seamless caching whenever tiling clients are used. For this to work
really well we'd need GWC listening to styling config changes and
transactions (and anything else that may affect rendering), so that people
don't change styles and continue to see the old. But we also could just
have a useCache param or something in the wms request?

* KML super overlays to use gwc. Right now it looks like the preview kml
stuff doesn't use the caching? That's probably how people are going to be
referencing their kml layers? We should make the docs encourage caching
stuff. And eventually do the same as above - smart caching that updates on
changes.

*Installers*

The mac installer is now way better than the others. We should step up on
the others.

* Linux installers - be able to do debian/ubuntu apt-get and redhat rpm

* Better windows installer - run as a service. There should be lots of good
examples that we can use now, with nice console and stop/start windows.

*Docs*

Really, from a product perspective, this should probably be the highest
priority. Our tech is kicking major ass, we need to make it more obvious to
people how to use it. The RestConfig stuff in particular will need a lot of
documentation and examples and sample scripts. But we've known for awhile
that most of the docs could use some love. I'd like us to make a commitment
to being the best document geospatial server, open source or otherwise.

But in general things are feeling pretty awesome. I have a bit more, but
I'll send another email about that stuff.

best regards,

Chris

Rob Atkinson wrote:

In the medium term, (targetting 2.0) CSIRO is resourcing

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-552

in the short term, IMHO it would be very useful to support GML3.2, as
INSPIRE (a bigger market for WFS than everything that has gone before)
will mandate this.

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2378

I'd be interested in seeing what else is targeted for 2.0 in the
emerging roadmap, and what it's big announcement is. Meeting basic SDI
requirements seems a pretty good reason, and we cant begin to claim
this until we land these issues.

Rob Atkinson

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Justin Deoliveira <jdeolive@anonymised.com>
wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

* Move geosearch module to core distribution
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2496

* Integrate GeoExt based styler
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2498

* move restconfig to core module
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2497

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task"
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
  Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
  into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
  something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
  is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
  coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
  From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
  one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
  at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
  as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
  This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
  on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
  FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
  all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
  into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
  work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
  This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
  This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
  (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
  to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
  data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
  parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
  else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
  This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
  new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
  them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

--
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OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
Enterprise support for open source geospatial.

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Expert service straight from the developers.

* Better google earth templates for our demo layers. Great job on cleaning up the metadata for this release, it makes things feel a lot more tight. And the KML preview with super overlays is awesome. But when you click on most of the layers it doesn't show off the cool stuff we can do with templates.

I would like to add that I think we can/should improve our built-in data directory in general, and not just for Google Earth output. I'm not saying that we should ship with a full TIGER dataset or anything, but I think we should look at what we want to accomplish and what features we want to show off with our demo data, and reorganize/add/drop accordingly. The layers as they are now have always seemed a bit random to me.

Thanks,
Mike Pumphrey
OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org

Chris Holmes wrote:

Hey all, sorry for sounding in late on this thread.

GeoSearch as a core module is the top of my list. And after that getting RestConfig as a core module - we hit it pretty heavily recently, flushed out some bugs, so it should be pretty good. I'm super psyched on the Styler stuff, and a basic version should be easy from a GeoServer perspective (and depends on restconfig). We should think about how we want better integration. Directory datastore would also be really nice to have. And ogr output for wfs would be a nice win, especially since we already have the gdal stuff, so people will be more used to the platform specific stuff.

I just yesterday got a chance to check out the 1.7.1 release. It feels really awesome, super tight in most every way. And the mac installer is great. There are a few things from a 'product' perspective that I think can make the next release even better. I'm happy to file the jira issues, but I think some may already exist in some form, so let me know if they do and I can just comment there (and I want to get this out sooner rather than later).

* Better google earth templates for our demo layers. Great job on cleaning up the metadata for this release, it makes things feel a lot more tight. And the KML preview with super overlays is awesome. But when you click on most of the layers it doesn't show off the cool stuff we can do with templates.

* When GeoSearch per layer about pages are in, we should be sure to link to them from the preview page.

*GeoWebCache integration feedback*
It's really great we have GWC as a part of things. I think we should work on both making it more obvious that users can use it, and to integrate it more directly

* GWC options in openlayers preview. At the very least the drop down should be 'single tile, tiled, and cached'. Ideally we would also have buttons in there to 'truncate cache' (for when a user changes a style), and even 'seed the cache'.

* More prominent links to GWC from admin console - perhaps on the front page, along with the capabilities links. And perhaps links from the demo page.

* Real tiling integration - right now we make an in memory tile cache when tile requests come in. Better would be to check the GWC cache to see if a tile is already there. And to add it if it's not. Then GeoServer would have seamless caching whenever tiling clients are used. For this to work really well we'd need GWC listening to styling config changes and transactions (and anything else that may affect rendering), so that people don't change styles and continue to see the old. But we also could just have a useCache param or something in the wms request?

* KML super overlays to use gwc. Right now it looks like the preview kml stuff doesn't use the caching? That's probably how people are going to be referencing their kml layers? We should make the docs encourage caching stuff. And eventually do the same as above - smart caching that updates on changes.

*Installers*

The mac installer is now way better than the others. We should step up on the others.

* Linux installers - be able to do debian/ubuntu apt-get and redhat rpm

* Better windows installer - run as a service. There should be lots of good examples that we can use now, with nice console and stop/start windows.

*Docs*

Really, from a product perspective, this should probably be the highest priority. Our tech is kicking major ass, we need to make it more obvious to people how to use it. The RestConfig stuff in particular will need a lot of documentation and examples and sample scripts. But we've known for awhile that most of the docs could use some love. I'd like us to make a commitment to being the best document geospatial server, open source or otherwise.

But in general things are feeling pretty awesome. I have a bit more, but I'll send another email about that stuff.

best regards,

Chris

Rob Atkinson wrote:

In the medium term, (targetting 2.0) CSIRO is resourcing

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-552

in the short term, IMHO it would be very useful to support GML3.2, as
INSPIRE (a bigger market for WFS than everything that has gone before)
will mandate this.

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2378

I'd be interested in seeing what else is targeted for 2.0 in the
emerging roadmap, and what it's big announcement is. Meeting basic SDI
requirements seems a pretty good reason, and we cant begin to claim
this until we land these issues.

Rob Atkinson

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Justin Deoliveira <jdeolive@anonymised.com> wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

* Move geosearch module to core distribution
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2496

* Integrate GeoExt based styler
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2498

* move restconfig to core module
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2497

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task"
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
   Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
   into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
   something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
   is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
   coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
   From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
   one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
   at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
   as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
   This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
   on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
   FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
   all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
   into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
   work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
   This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
   This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
   (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
   to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
   data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
   parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
   else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
   This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
   new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
   them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
  get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

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Relevant jiras:

-http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1162 getlegendgraphics
-http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2508 improving rest upload for
larger raster data
-http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2520 imageio-ext supported

Simone.

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GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Owner - Software Engineer
Via Carignoni 51
55041 Camaiore (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584983027
fax: +39 0584983027
mob: +39 333 8128928

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http://simboss.blogspot.com/
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On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Simone Giannecchini
<simone.giannecchini@anonymised.com> wrote:

Quick email about near future, more will follow...

- 1.7.x (where x should be 2) -
-- getlegendgraphics for rastersymbolizer
-- restupload without actually moving files around (serve me from
where I am fashion)
-- possibility geotiff module supporting tiff files with tfw and prj (
this now resides in a separate plugin=
-- bring imageio-ext-gdal plugins to supported state (this depend on
the 1.0 release of imageio-ext)

Simone.

-------------------------------------------------------
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GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Owner - Software Engineer
Via Carignoni 51
55041 Camaiore (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584983027
fax: +39 0584983027
mob: +39 333 8128928

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://simboss.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonegiannecchini

-------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Justin Deoliveira <jdeolive@anonymised.com> wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

* Move geosearch module to core distribution
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2496

* Integrate GeoExt based styler
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2498

* move restconfig to core module
  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2497

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task"
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
   Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
   into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
   something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
   is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
   coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
   From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
   one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
   at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
   as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
   This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
   on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
   FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
   all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
   into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
   work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
   This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
   This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
   (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
   to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
   data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
   parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
   else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
   This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
   new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
   them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
  get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

--
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OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
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Rob Atkinson wrote:

There is an underlying thread here - Geoserver needs to leverage
deployed infrastructures to be most useful.

1.7 is (quite sensibly) about the most prevalent infrastructures -
Google (and other) environments that provide base maps, mash-ups with
existing data stores, and to a certain extent REST-based exploitation.
Lets call this SDI-for-viewing

IMHO Version 2 should be aimed at what INSPIRE aims to achieve, which
is SDI-for-data (and brings us back full-circle to the original
geoserver vision). This should not preclude the viewing function, but
will require closer attention to metadata transparency, and in
particular the ability to synchronise remote data stroes from an
authoritative source without loss of information.

Yeah, this makes a lot of sense to me. I've always felt we should nail the compelling technologies so we can bring the great standards stuff in without people even noticing.

emphasis on viewing = convienience and speed. Emphasis on data =
transmission reliability.

As a basic structure, this might provide a coherent high level road
map that the end user community could understand?

OpenGeo's interest in 2.0 is primarily for the long needed UI upgrade, to bring GeoServer to be more of a platform for most anything spatial. We've got a nice module / extension structure, and this should extend to UI for plugins. And our longer term interest is workflows and editing, collaborative mapping stuff.

But I'm really excited for the GeoServer vision to not be driven by OpenGeo, and I'd agree to the data / SDI story being the main one for 2.0, as long as the community comes up with the resources to execute, which looks to be happening, which is great to see.

Chris

Rob A

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Chris Holmes <cholmes@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hey all, sorry for sounding in late on this thread.

GeoSearch as a core module is the top of my list. And after that getting
RestConfig as a core module - we hit it pretty heavily recently, flushed out
some bugs, so it should be pretty good. I'm super psyched on the Styler
stuff, and a basic version should be easy from a GeoServer perspective (and
depends on restconfig). We should think about how we want better
integration. Directory datastore would also be really nice to have. And
ogr output for wfs would be a nice win, especially since we already have the
gdal stuff, so people will be more used to the platform specific stuff.

I just yesterday got a chance to check out the 1.7.1 release. It feels
really awesome, super tight in most every way. And the mac installer is
great. There are a few things from a 'product' perspective that I think can
make the next release even better. I'm happy to file the jira issues, but I
think some may already exist in some form, so let me know if they do and I
can just comment there (and I want to get this out sooner rather than
later).

* Better google earth templates for our demo layers. Great job on cleaning
up the metadata for this release, it makes things feel a lot more tight.
And the KML preview with super overlays is awesome. But when you click on
most of the layers it doesn't show off the cool stuff we can do with
templates.

* When GeoSearch per layer about pages are in, we should be sure to link to
them from the preview page.

*GeoWebCache integration feedback*
It's really great we have GWC as a part of things. I think we should work
on both making it more obvious that users can use it, and to integrate it
more directly

* GWC options in openlayers preview. At the very least the drop down should
be 'single tile, tiled, and cached'. Ideally we would also have buttons in
there to 'truncate cache' (for when a user changes a style), and even 'seed
the cache'.

* More prominent links to GWC from admin console - perhaps on the front
page, along with the capabilities links. And perhaps links from the demo
page.

* Real tiling integration - right now we make an in memory tile cache when
tile requests come in. Better would be to check the GWC cache to see if a
tile is already there. And to add it if it's not. Then GeoServer would
have seamless caching whenever tiling clients are used. For this to work
really well we'd need GWC listening to styling config changes and
transactions (and anything else that may affect rendering), so that people
don't change styles and continue to see the old. But we also could just
have a useCache param or something in the wms request?

* KML super overlays to use gwc. Right now it looks like the preview kml
stuff doesn't use the caching? That's probably how people are going to be
referencing their kml layers? We should make the docs encourage caching
stuff. And eventually do the same as above - smart caching that updates on
changes.

*Installers*

The mac installer is now way better than the others. We should step up on
the others.

* Linux installers - be able to do debian/ubuntu apt-get and redhat rpm

* Better windows installer - run as a service. There should be lots of good
examples that we can use now, with nice console and stop/start windows.

*Docs*

Really, from a product perspective, this should probably be the highest
priority. Our tech is kicking major ass, we need to make it more obvious to
people how to use it. The RestConfig stuff in particular will need a lot of
documentation and examples and sample scripts. But we've known for awhile
that most of the docs could use some love. I'd like us to make a commitment
to being the best document geospatial server, open source or otherwise.

But in general things are feeling pretty awesome. I have a bit more, but
I'll send another email about that stuff.

best regards,

Chris

Rob Atkinson wrote:

In the medium term, (targetting 2.0) CSIRO is resourcing

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-552

in the short term, IMHO it would be very useful to support GML3.2, as
INSPIRE (a bigger market for WFS than everything that has gone before)
will mandate this.

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2378

I'd be interested in seeing what else is targeted for 2.0 in the
emerging roadmap, and what it's big announcement is. Meeting basic SDI
requirements seems a pretty good reason, and we cant begin to claim
this until we land these issues.

Rob Atkinson

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Justin Deoliveira <jdeolive@anonymised.com>
wrote:

Thanks for starting things off Andrea. As per discussion in IRC i would
like to continue things along as well as encourage others to chime in
with things they want to see.

Things I want to see in the near future:

* Move geosearch module to core distribution
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2496

* Integrate GeoExt based styler
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2498

* move restconfig to core module
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2497

-Justin

Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
following yesterday discussion during the GeoServer IRC meeting
I've been looking into Jira for "New Feature", "Improvement" or "Task"
issues that are scheduled for 1.7.2. Actually yesterdays we talked
only about "New Feature", but since the issue type has not been
used consistently in the past, I thought to expand a bit the
search:

http://jira.codehaus.org/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-printable/temp/SearchRequest.html?fixfor=14681&type=4&type=2&type=3&type=5&pid=10311&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000

Wow, there are 53.
It's not like these are the real new features scheduled
for 1.7.2, as being there is more of a side effect of having
been scheduled by someone for some 1.6.x or 1.7.x release and
have been moved forward ever since.

So ok, the idea of the roadmap was to present a few compelling
new features making up the theme of a release.

Here is what I would like to see in 1.7.2 (but I have no funding
for those atm, thought I could pour some of my personal time into
some of these during the holidays should OpenGeo decide not
to sponsor these directly):

* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2288
  Directory datastore. This is an old issue actually, we looked
  into integrating that datastore in the past already (1.5.x
  something). The thin is that the datastore as it stands
  is not usable, but a rewrite is easy and I have some ideas
  coming togheter already.
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-665
  From the "I love low effort big gain" department, here is
  one that would multiply WFS output format count by 10
  at the least and there is also a patch that could be used
  as a started
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2296
  This one is from "pain in the axe" :wink: department, I keep
  on hearing people asking for ECW support, and Frank at
  FOSS4G suggested a way out, but it requires rebuilding
  all of the GDAL native parts so that ECW is turned
  into a plugin. I guess this one would need some GeoSolutions
  work, so take it just as a Christmas wish, would you? :slight_smile:
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2433
  This is almost done, so why not?
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1783
  This one I already coded, but requires a small change in the
  (sigh) unmantained refererencing subsystem. A small gift
  to all italian people getting crazy because GeoServer reprojects
  data 100m away only because it's using the Sardinia ellipsoid
  parameters whilst most of the data of course resides somewhere
  else
* http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-2386
  This one I have already in progress as well, and it's a nice
  new one for people with huge data sets and a need to serve
  them with WFS

Well, that's sort of my personal wish list out of those
53 issues (and as I said, I can probably sponsor personally
one or two or these, the others need OpenGeo/someone else's
get go)
Anybody else?

Cheers
Andrea

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OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
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