Agenda:
- 1.4.x branch
- SENS branch
- GSIP2
- GSIP3
- GSIP4
- GSIP5
Codehaus is down so this is just going to email for now.
[12:32:27 AM] Jody Gar... says: Morning
[12:32:41 AM] Jody Gar... says: did I miss the geoserver meeting? I just got in from a road trip but thought I would check in...
[12:32:43 AM] Alessio F... says: morning
[12:33:03 AM] Alessio F... says: don't know, I am just arrived at work
[12:33:27 AM] * Jody Garnett added Andrea Aime, Clint Lewis, simboss18830 to this chat
[12:33:37 AM] Jody Gar... says: morning guys
[12:33:43 AM] Jody Gar... says: it seems we missed the meeting call today
[12:33:55 AM] Jody Gar... says: I would not mind checking in on current activity if you guys have a moment?
[12:34:07 AM] Andrea A... says: np for me
[12:34:21 AM] Alessio F... says: ok
[12:35:04 AM] Jody Gar... says: So we got a bit of growning pains for the PSC roll, we have a number of proposals on the table but they seem stalled waiting for comment ...
[12:35:23 AM] Jody Gar... says: so we can either talk about devel issues (mostly handled on email right now ...)
[12:35:33 AM] Andrea A... says: Indeed... my reformatting one stumbled against the issues in geotools
[12:35:39 AM] Jody Gar... says: or go through the list and do a sanity check on if we are doing our PSC kind of job.
[12:35:41 AM] Clint Lewis says: hey
[12:35:59 AM] Jody Gar... says: morning clint, trying to get a quick geoserver meeting, very glad you can make it.
[12:36:38 AM] Clint Lewis says: was having breakfast and here now
[12:37:35 AM] Jody Gar... says: Andrea if I am to understand you the Jira roadmap is to be belived in terms of schedule? I have a conflict between that and our friend Clint needing a release ... but as long as he was not in the meetings it did not matter 
[12:37:50 AM] Jody Gar... says: So clint what can you tell us, are you happy with the state of GeoServer 1.4.x ?
[12:37:53 AM] Alessio F... says: on my understanding, before proceed with a proposal we should evaluate and accept or discard the previous ... I was waiting for GSIP #2 (or 3 don't remeber exactly) before go on
[12:38:38 AM] Andrea A... says: At least for 1.4.x yes, it's a schedule
[12:38:41 AM] Jody Gar... says: Yeah I am a little confused to, some of the proposals have not been sent out to us for voting yet.
[12:38:50 AM] Jody Gar... says: Clint are you aware of: http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&mode=hide&sorter/order=DESC&sorter/field=priority&resolution=-1&pid=10311&fixfor=12666
[12:39:11 AM] Andrea A... says: Jody, SENS in on a separate geoserver branch
[12:39:13 AM] Jody Gar... says: (ie the fixes needed for the next 1.4.0-RC1 to go out)
[12:39:25 AM] Jody Gar... says: okay, so they are happy and isolated - okay cool.
[12:39:34 AM] Andrea A... says: Well, isolated and without bug fixes too
[12:39:42 AM] Andrea A... says: they do need to port the fixes on their branch
[12:40:07 AM] Andrea A... says: alternatively, to wait for geoserver 1.4.0 and then create a new isolated branch with their extra patches
[12:40:15 AM] Andrea A... says: or see if they can live on 1.4.0 directly
[12:40:31 AM] Andrea A... says: (they can only if they stop finding bugs in gt2 thought)
[12:43:23 AM] Andrea A... says: About gsip, yes, we are a bit locked
[12:43:36 AM] Jody Gar... says: I see, so we gotta trust our friend Clint here to keep tabs on it all)
[12:43:44 AM] Andrea A... says: We at TOPP are working full time on the geoserver issues so that we can perform a decent 1.4.0rc1 release
[12:43:57 AM] Jody Gar... says: Andrea - since it is late lets set an agenda and run through it.
[12:44:09 AM] Jody Gar... says: We are kind of done on an update for SENS and 1.4.x ...
[12:44:37 AM] Jody Gar... says: Do you want to run through the list of GSIP numbers and we can see where we are at... and perhaps talk about what the proposals are trying to do.
[12:44:39 AM] Andrea A... says: Well, the only agenda item for today seems to be: is the poor gsip process lost, can we resurrect it?
[12:45:00 AM] Andrea A... says: Yeah, too bad I can't get to the gsip list... docs.codehaus.org does not like me
[12:45:06 AM] Jody Gar... says: well I kind of think the GSIP thing is fine, it is more the PSC I am worried about 
[12:45:49 AM] Jody Gar... says: I agree codehaus is down for me as well ...
[12:45:58 AM] Jody Gar... says: (sigh)
[12:46:06 AM] Jody Gar... says: well at least I feel a bit more up to date ...
[12:46:15 AM] Andrea A... says: Well, shall we meet again this evening then?
[12:46:20 AM] Andrea A... says: I'll be there anyways
[12:46:26 AM] Jody Gar... says: my email has the list
[12:46:30 AM] Jody Gar... says: GSIP#2 code formatting
[12:46:36 AM] Alessio F... says: yes
[12:46:45 AM] Andrea A... says: Yeah, too bad jalopy caused grief on gt2
[12:46:53 AM] Jody Gar... says: andrea as I recall you got a vote on this, is it something we can do now? Or is it scheduled before the 1.4.0 release?
[12:46:54 AM] Andrea A... says: so I did not feel like going on and implementing
[12:47:02 AM] Andrea A... says: It's not scheduled at all
[12:47:05 AM] Alessio F... says: I voted +1 for this
[12:47:11 AM] Jody Gar... says: okay can we mark this one as stalled, awaiting technology .
[12:47:14 AM] Andrea A... says: Yes, it has been positively voted
[12:47:20 AM] Alessio F... says: I was waiting for this one to be accepted
[12:47:25 AM] Jody Gar... says: and we should make a jira item for it (GSIP#1 has a jira)
[12:47:36 AM] Andrea A... says: the problem is, having jalopy in the build breaks release process, right?
[12:47:54 AM] Jody Gar... says: jalopy (for geotools) only broke the release process ...
[12:47:54 AM] Alessio F... says: don't know, never tryed
[12:48:08 AM] Jody Gar... says: (it would not release with non stable maven plug-ins)
[12:48:15 AM] Andrea A... says: well, people do complain about the time it takes to reformat stuff during the build
[12:48:51 AM] Andrea A... says: I guess we should revent to a manual launch, and have some way for the module mantainers to say, "yes, my module can be formatted by jalopy"
[12:49:03 AM] Jody Gar... says: perhaps we should of made a precommit target
[12:49:04 AM] Jody Gar... says: okay from the perspective of PSC the GSIP#2 code formatting thing has been given the go ahead.
[12:49:19 AM] Alessio F... says: yep
[12:49:19 AM] Jody Gar... says: I do not have a record in email of what GSIP#3 was about - anyone?
[12:49:22 AM] Andrea A... says: Who commits with maven?
[12:49:24 AM] Jody Gar... says: (or shall we move on)
[12:49:38 AM] Alessio F... says: GSIP #3 was issues if I recall correctly
[12:49:52 AM] Jody Gar... says: Andrea, nobody commits with maven, sometimes I like to do a few things like run tests before doing a commit.
[12:50:06 AM] Andrea A... says: Ok.... let's move this on the gt2 devel mailing list
[12:50:16 AM] Andrea A... says: Ah, right... but the issue module has been moved away from geoserver afaik
[12:50:16 AM] Jody Gar... says: "issues" ? Oh as in a communit module request ....
[12:50:30 AM] Andrea A... says: it's in the private SENS svn now afaik
[12:50:43 AM] Jody Gar... says: And the PSC basically said we needed less process for the community space ...
[12:50:56 AM] Jody Gar... says: so we can probably close GSIP#3 as a "wont fix"
[12:50:57 AM] Andrea A... says: So basically gsip#3 is irrelevant now
[12:51:05 AM] Alessio F... says: ok
[12:51:25 AM] Jody Gar... says: yeah I am really pissed about that, I wanted to show how to do both sides of the stack (geoserver and udig)
[12:51:44 AM] Jody Gar... says: but my understanding is that they were getting rather project specific 
[12:51:56 AM] Jody Gar... says: GSIP#4 Status interface
[12:52:01 AM] Alessio F... says: GSIP #4 was about the Status Interface and GSIP #5 about Release Process
[12:52:21 AM] Andrea A... says: #4 is still interesting from a general point of view
[12:52:24 AM] Jody Gar... says: This was about a status community module, but it needed a change to core geoserver constructus.
[12:52:39 AM] Alessio F... says: yes
[12:52:49 AM] Jody Gar... says: they are doing a temp implementation with an adapter, but we should look at what the find works, and then adjust our framework to match.
[12:52:59 AM] Jody Gar... says: the = they.
[12:53:21 AM] Andrea A... says: Who is going to report back to us about it?
[12:53:31 AM] Jody Gar... says: modules reporting status is useful, but the community module can be fine for now - hopefully it will be the first community module to come home and be a part of geoserver.
[12:53:43 AM] Alessio F... says: personally I see this GSIP a little hard to improve and not necessary right now
[12:53:52 AM] Jody Gar... says: well we can wait for it to go to version 1, and rgould can report back.
[12:54:18 AM] Andrea A... says: What we really need is a new configurationn system and a new UI... but they are low on my priority list
[12:54:24 AM] Alessio F... says: exactly
[12:54:30 AM] Alessio F... says: fully agree with Andrea
[12:54:41 AM] Jody Gar... says: note: from the uDig experience - community modules work well, but often it will need to be the core geoserver team that goes in and picks up functionality and brings it up to QA / docs / intergration for the main app.
[12:54:59 AM] Andrea A... says: Anyway, nothing stops us from discussing at least how a new config system should look like
[12:55:23 AM] Andrea A... says: about ui, i'm managing to make my head hurt trying to work on webwork 
[12:55:24 AM] Jody Gar... says: note we do have a "new" non config system called preferneces that is being used by others now ... Jesse has been taking email on it.
[12:55:42 AM] Jody Gar... says: webwork? of that framework event thing?
[12:55:44 AM] Andrea A... says: Jody, that one is not going to be accepted because it's not typed afaik
[12:55:56 AM] Andrea A... says: webwork, mvc web framework
[12:56:06 AM] Jody Gar... says: sorry andrea, which one? GSIP#4 ?
[12:56:07 AM] Andrea A... says: Chris asked me to try out at least one alternative to wicket
[12:56:19 AM] Andrea A... says: The preference system for configuration
[12:56:23 AM] Jody Gar... says: oh the preference thing ... no it predated the PSC and is a happy community module all on its own.
[12:56:29 AM] Jody Gar... says: being used by others etc...
[12:56:38 AM] Jody Gar... says: exactly as needed/intended.
[12:56:49 AM] Jody Gar... says: GSIP#5 - the first serious one for the PSC.
[12:57:09 AM] Andrea A... says: What's GSIP#5? Preferences?
[12:57:10 AM] Alessio F... says: we discussed with Brent about this
[12:57:15 AM] Alessio F... says: Release Process
[12:57:25 AM] Alessio F... says: in the last meetings
[12:57:35 AM] Jody Gar... says: I talked a bit with him, but honestly have not given him the public feedback he needs.
[12:58:07 AM] Alessio F... says: the only problem on this was about when release Geoserver against Geotools
[12:58:17 AM] Jody Gar... says: I am not quite sure if he has proposed it yet?
[12:58:31 AM] Alessio F... says: i.e. if we have to wait geotools release or not
[12:58:40 AM] Jody Gar... says: right, and I want to ensure that geotools makes a release on time when needed.
[12:58:56 AM] Jody Gar... says: even if all we do is grab the jars the same way geoserver/udig always used to.
[12:59:04 AM] Jody Gar... says: as long as geotools posts them and versions them.
[12:59:20 AM] Jody Gar... says: if we can do better w/ geotools (say javadocs) then that is fine to.
[12:59:52 AM] Jody Gar... says: Brent has asked for a geotools release this week, lets see how that goes (did not check the meeting yesterday but I hope brent brought it up there)
[1:00:01 AM] Andrea Ai... says: Nope
[1:00:19 AM] Andrea Ai... says: Basically only me, Adrian and Simone were around
[1:00:23 AM] Jody Garn... says: okay I hope someone from geoserver brought it up there Or asked in email ?
[1:00:24 AM] Andrea Ai... says: (as far as I remember)
[1:00:35 AM] Andrea Ai... says: I did send a mail last week?
[1:00:50 AM] Jody Garn... says: well brent has asked, so we should get it done - cannot remember what date he asked for
[1:01:12 AM] Andrea Ai... says: I asked for a 2.2.1 release by the end of this week
[1:01:34 AM] Jody Garn... says: okay looking in email
[1:01:41 AM] Jody Garn... says: not seeing that on the geotools-devel list ....
[1:02:24 AM] Andrea Ai... says: Subject is: "2.2.1 release on October 12?"
[1:02:56 AM] simboss18... says: ciao guys
[1:03:03 AM] Alessio Fa... says: I missed this email
[1:03:10 AM] Alessio Fa... says: ciao Simone
[1:03:24 AM] Jody Garn... says: not seeing the subject line either
[1:03:43 AM] Andrea Ai... says: Ah, Simone, I tried a 2.3.x build yesterday, worked fine
[1:03:49 AM] simboss18... says: cool
[1:04:10 AM] Andrea Ai... says: Well, I can re-send the mail
[1:04:28 AM] Jody Garn... says: Please andrea, sorry may of missed it while using webmail or something (still seraching)
[1:05:07 AM] Andrea Ai... says: done
[1:05:15 AM] Jody Garn... says: I presented a couple "plans" for GeoTools last week on the release front, one of which is to have a geotools PMC memeber ride a release cycle (the other was rotation).
[1:05:53 AM] Andrea Ai... says: Well, I guess releases in synch with uDig and Geoserver will simply be done by one of the uDig/Geoserver communities :_p
[1:06:06 AM] Jody Garn... says: I did also get something positive, paul is going to let us take uDig 1.1.1 to GeoTools 2.3.x (so we can do the grid coverage thing earlier on a stable branch) and both projects can share the same stable branch again.
[1:06:39 AM] Andrea Ai... says: Very nice, especially because at last uDig grid coverage support will start working
[1:06:58 AM] Andrea Ai... says: (and be fast, too)
[1:07:00 AM] Jody Garn... says:
[1:07:23 AM] Jody Garn... says: okay, so with andrea's email resent, we were still talking about GSIP#5.
[1:07:43 AM] Jody Garn... says: If brent has not sent it out we do not need to vote, I do think he would like some feedback.
[1:09:01 AM] Andrea Ai... says: He should be pushing the gsip harder then
[1:09:02 AM] Jody Garn... says: andrea did you want any feedback in there about additional QA stuff (beyond cite?)
[1:09:04 AM] Alessio Fa... says: I can send a feedback on the list, however basically I alredy said to Brent that it was ok for me
[1:09:30 AM] Andrea Ai... says: Jody, the unit testing situation is so bad that at the moment I don't feel like adding anything
[1:09:53 AM] Andrea Ai... says: When we re-do the config system and ui we can start adding unit tests along the way
[1:10:07 AM] Jody Garn... says: okay cool.
[1:10:20 AM] Jody Garn... says: lets call it an evening then (and my laptop battery is about dead)
[1:10:38 AM] Jody Garn... says: or rather, the floor is open
[1:10:43 AM] Jody Garn... says: how is it happening ...
[1:11:41 AM] Andrea Ai... says: Ok
[1:11:59 AM] Jody Garn... says: I can gather this up and post it, thanks guys for a late / informal meeting.
[1:11:59 AM] Andrea Ai... says: sent a mail to geoserver devel so that everybody can provide feedback on gsip
[1:12:02 AM] Andrea Ai... says: Ok