[Geoserver-devel] Suggesting a small change in release procedures: can we cut the stable branch on beta?

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Hi (apologies for the cross post),
I would like to hear opinions on changing the release procedures slightly, and cutting the stable
branch directly on the beta release.

The reason for not doing the cut on beta but on RC originally was to push devs to concentrate
on bug fixing.
However, since then we have shortened the beta life to just two weeks, we are not getting significant
feedback from users (which typically starts flowing in on .0 or even .1 releases), and the bug fixing activity
is rather small (I try to do it anyways, but find myself fixing old bugs, not new ones).

I’ve also noticed that I routinely created short lived forks of master to keep on working on my daily job.
Wondering, am I the only one?

If not, or if others don’t mind anyways, wouldn’t it be better to just cut the stable branch on beta instead?

Cheers
Andrea

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+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting until RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new stable before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release (the RC).

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 14/02/18 22:58, Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi (apologies for the cross post),
I would like to hear opinions on changing the release procedures slightly,
and cutting the stable
branch directly on the beta release.

The reason for not doing the cut on beta but on RC originally was to push
devs to concentrate
on bug fixing.
However, since then we have shortened the beta life to just two weeks, we
are not getting significant
feedback from users (which typically starts flowing in on .0 or even .1
releases), and the bug fixing activity
is rather small (I try to do it anyways, but find myself fixing old bugs,
not new ones).

I've also noticed that I routinely created short lived forks of master to
keep on working on my daily job.
Wondering, am I the only one?

If not, or if others don't mind anyways, wouldn't it be better to just cut
the stable branch on beta instead?

Cheers
Andrea

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I don't have any voting power, just want to express my +1 towards that change ... and indeed I don't see the advantage of the RC release.
If users don't provide feedback, bug fix doesn't happen ... what are the advantages of having the RC release ?

On 02/16/2018 03:18 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting until RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new stable before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release (the RC).

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 14/02/18 22:58, Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi (apologies for the cross post),
I would like to hear opinions on changing the release procedures slightly,
and cutting the stable
branch directly on the beta release.

The reason for not doing the cut on beta but on RC originally was to push
devs to concentrate
on bug fixing.
However, since then we have shortened the beta life to just two weeks, we
are not getting significant
feedback from users (which typically starts flowing in on .0 or even .1
releases), and the bug fixing activity
is rather small (I try to do it anyways, but find myself fixing old bugs,
not new ones).

I've also noticed that I routinely created short lived forks of master to
keep on working on my daily job.
Wondering, am I the only one?

If not, or if others don't mind anyways, wouldn't it be better to just cut
the stable branch on beta instead?

Cheers
Andrea

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+1

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On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Nuno Oliveira
<nuno.oliveira@anonymised.com> wrote:

I don't have any voting power, just want to express my +1 towards that
change ... and indeed I don't see the advantage of the RC release.
If users don't provide feedback, bug fix doesn't happen ... what are the
advantages of having the RC release ?

On 02/16/2018 03:18 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting until
RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new stable
before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current
procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release (the
RC).

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 14/02/18 22:58, Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi (apologies for the cross post),
I would like to hear opinions on changing the release procedures
slightly,
and cutting the stable
branch directly on the beta release.

The reason for not doing the cut on beta but on RC originally was to push
devs to concentrate
on bug fixing.
However, since then we have shortened the beta life to just two weeks, we
are not getting significant
feedback from users (which typically starts flowing in on .0 or even .1
releases), and the bug fixing activity
is rather small (I try to do it anyways, but find myself fixing old bugs,
not new ones).

I've also noticed that I routinely created short lived forks of master to
keep on working on my daily job.
Wondering, am I the only one?

If not, or if others don't mind anyways, wouldn't it be better to just
cut
the stable branch on beta instead?

Cheers
Andrea

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I agree we hardly ever see any feedback before the .0 release. Which is a shame but nothing we do seems to make a difference to customers.

So +1 for me

Ian

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On 16 February 2018 at 09:32, Nuno Oliveira <nuno.oliveira@anonymised.com> wrote:

I don’t have any voting power, just want to express my +1 towards that change … and indeed I don’t see the advantage of the RC release.
If users don’t provide feedback, bug fix doesn’t happen … what are the advantages of having the RC release ?

On 02/16/2018 03:18 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting until RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new stable before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release (the RC).

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 14/02/18 22:58, Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi (apologies for the cross post),
I would like to hear opinions on changing the release procedures slightly,
and cutting the stable
branch directly on the beta release.

The reason for not doing the cut on beta but on RC originally was to push
devs to concentrate
on bug fixing.
However, since then we have shortened the beta life to just two weeks, we
are not getting significant
feedback from users (which typically starts flowing in on .0 or even .1
releases), and the bug fixing activity
is rather small (I try to do it anyways, but find myself fixing old bugs,
not new ones).

I’ve also noticed that I routinely created short lived forks of master to
keep on working on my daily job.
Wondering, am I the only one?

If not, or if others don’t mind anyways, wouldn’t it be better to just cut
the stable branch on beta instead?

Cheers
Andrea

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On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:44 AM, Ian Turton <ijturton@anonymised.com> wrote:

I agree we hardly ever see any feedback before the .0 release. Which is a
shame but nothing we do seems to make a difference to customers.

Ah hem, "users" :-p

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On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:18 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@anonymised.com>
wrote:

+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting until
RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new stable
before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current
procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release
(the RC).

As far as I remember there are just Jukka (and sometimes Brad too?) testing
betas/RC and providing timely feedback, so yeah,
I guess that for a single person the beta should suffice :slight_smile:

This is a larger change to the release procedures, I guess we need a
GSIP... Torben, you are the release
manager for the beta, how do you feel about a "shortcut", apply these
changes right away if there are
no complaints and do a GSIP later?

Cheers
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We could also cut the beta just to confirm master is releasable, and not branch. Make the first release candidate the branch to achieve the same effect.

It has the advantage of less moving parts, but we do not get a code freeze to focus on bugs. But as you point out that is not happening so much.

···

On 16 February 2018 at 09:32, Nuno Oliveira <nuno.oliveira@anonymised.com> wrote:

I don’t have any voting power, just want to express my +1 towards that change … and indeed I don’t see the advantage of the RC release.
If users don’t provide feedback, bug fix doesn’t happen … what are the advantages of having the RC release ?

On 02/16/2018 03:18 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting until RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new stable before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release (the RC).

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 14/02/18 22:58, Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi (apologies for the cross post),
I would like to hear opinions on changing the release procedures slightly,
and cutting the stable
branch directly on the beta release.

The reason for not doing the cut on beta but on RC originally was to push
devs to concentrate
on bug fixing.
However, since then we have shortened the beta life to just two weeks, we
are not getting significant
feedback from users (which typically starts flowing in on .0 or even .1
releases), and the bug fixing activity
is rather small (I try to do it anyways, but find myself fixing old bugs,
not new ones).

I’ve also noticed that I routinely created short lived forks of master to
keep on working on my daily job.
Wondering, am I the only one?

If not, or if others don’t mind anyways, wouldn’t it be better to just cut
the stable branch on beta instead?

Cheers
Andrea

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First of all, the change seems reasonable, so +1 there.

I have no issues with applying these changes right away for the beta release next week, and we can do a GSIP later. I’ll also update the release docs while I do the release.

Torben

···

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Andrea Aime <andrea.aime@anonymised.com> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:18 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@anonymised.com> wrote:

+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting until RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new stable before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release (the RC).

As far as I remember there are just Jukka (and sometimes Brad too?) testing betas/RC and providing timely feedback, so yeah,

I guess that for a single person the beta should suffice :slight_smile:

This is a larger change to the release procedures, I guess we need a GSIP… Torben, you are the release
manager for the beta, how do you feel about a “shortcut”, apply these changes right away if there are
no complaints and do a GSIP later?

Cheers

Andrea

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On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@anonymised.com>
wrote:

We could also cut the beta just to confirm master is releasable, and not
branch. Make the first release candidate the branch to achieve the same
effect.

It has the advantage of less moving parts, but we do not get a code freeze
to focus on bugs. But as you point out that is not happening so much.

Unless I am misunderstanding you, this is what we do currently - branch on
the RC. What are you actually suggesting here?

Torben

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I agree we hardly ever see any feedback before the .0 release. Which is a
shame but nothing we do seems to make a difference to customers.

So +1 for me

Ian

On 16 February 2018 at 09:32, Nuno Oliveira <nuno.oliveira@anonymised.com
it> wrote:

I don't have any voting power, just want to express my +1 towards that
change ... and indeed I don't see the advantage of the RC release.
If users don't provide feedback, bug fix doesn't happen ... what are the
advantages of having the RC release ?

On 02/16/2018 03:18 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting
until RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new
stable before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current
procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release
(the RC).

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 14/02/18 22:58, Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi (apologies for the cross post),
I would like to hear opinions on changing the release procedures
slightly,
and cutting the stable
branch directly on the beta release.

The reason for not doing the cut on beta but on RC originally was to
push
devs to concentrate
on bug fixing.
However, since then we have shortened the beta life to just two weeks,
we
are not getting significant
feedback from users (which typically starts flowing in on .0 or even .1
releases), and the bug fixing activity
is rather small (I try to do it anyways, but find myself fixing old
bugs,
not new ones).

I've also noticed that I routinely created short lived forks of master
to
keep on working on my daily job.
Wondering, am I the only one?

If not, or if others don't mind anyways, wouldn't it be better to just
cut
the stable branch on beta instead?

Cheers
Andrea

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PR’s for the associated doc changes here:

We also have a release process diagram which includes the freeze. While not critical, that could be updated - does anyone have the source files for it?

Torben

···

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Torben Barsballe <tbarsballe@anonymised.com> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@anonymised.com> wrote:

We could also cut the beta just to confirm master is releasable, and not branch. Make the first release candidate the branch to achieve the same effect.

It has the advantage of less moving parts, but we do not get a code freeze to focus on bugs. But as you point out that is not happening so much.

Unless I am misunderstanding you, this is what we do currently - branch on the RC. What are you actually suggesting here?

Torben

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I agree we hardly ever see any feedback before the .0 release. Which is a shame but nothing we do seems to make a difference to customers.

So +1 for me

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On 16 February 2018 at 09:32, Nuno Oliveira <nuno.oliveira@anonymised.comt> wrote:

I don’t have any voting power, just want to express my +1 towards that change … and indeed I don’t see the advantage of the RC release.
If users don’t provide feedback, bug fix doesn’t happen … what are the advantages of having the RC release ?

On 02/16/2018 03:18 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting until RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new stable before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release (the RC).

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 14/02/18 22:58, Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi (apologies for the cross post),
I would like to hear opinions on changing the release procedures slightly,
and cutting the stable
branch directly on the beta release.

The reason for not doing the cut on beta but on RC originally was to push
devs to concentrate
on bug fixing.
However, since then we have shortened the beta life to just two weeks, we
are not getting significant
feedback from users (which typically starts flowing in on .0 or even .1
releases), and the bug fixing activity
is rather small (I try to do it anyways, but find myself fixing old bugs,
not new ones).

I’ve also noticed that I routinely created short lived forks of master to
keep on working on my daily job.
Wondering, am I the only one?

If not, or if others don’t mind anyways, wouldn’t it be better to just cut
the stable branch on beta instead?

Cheers
Andrea

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There was some discussion on this topic in the PMC meeting. Salient points:

  • Should we rename the beta the RC (Basically, the fork/RC would now be 1 month before the .0 release and there wouldn’t be a beta release anymore).
  • The most useful naming scheme for would be whatever people are more likely to test- Should we still have an RC(2) two weeks before the .0?
  • Only if there are enough bugfixes to warrant it?
    Anyone have further opinions on these?
···

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Torben Barsballe <tbarsballe@anonymised.com> wrote:

PR’s for the associated doc changes here:

We also have a release process diagram which includes the freeze. While not critical, that could be updated - does anyone have the source files for it?

Torben

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On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@anonymised.com> wrote:

We could also cut the beta just to confirm master is releasable, and not branch. Make the first release candidate the branch to achieve the same effect.

It has the advantage of less moving parts, but we do not get a code freeze to focus on bugs. But as you point out that is not happening so much.

Unless I am misunderstanding you, this is what we do currently - branch on the RC. What are you actually suggesting here?

Torben

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 2:45 AM Ian Turton <ijturton@anonymised.com> wrote:

I agree we hardly ever see any feedback before the .0 release. Which is a shame but nothing we do seems to make a difference to customers.

So +1 for me

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On 16 February 2018 at 09:32, Nuno Oliveira <nuno.oliveira@anonymised.comt> wrote:

I don’t have any voting power, just want to express my +1 towards that change … and indeed I don’t see the advantage of the RC release.
If users don’t provide feedback, bug fix doesn’t happen … what are the advantages of having the RC release ?

On 02/16/2018 03:18 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting until RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new stable before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release (the RC).

Kind regards,
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On 14/02/18 22:58, Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi (apologies for the cross post),
I would like to hear opinions on changing the release procedures slightly,
and cutting the stable
branch directly on the beta release.

The reason for not doing the cut on beta but on RC originally was to push
devs to concentrate
on bug fixing.
However, since then we have shortened the beta life to just two weeks, we
are not getting significant
feedback from users (which typically starts flowing in on .0 or even .1
releases), and the bug fixing activity
is rather small (I try to do it anyways, but find myself fixing old bugs,
not new ones).

I’ve also noticed that I routinely created short lived forks of master to
keep on working on my daily job.
Wondering, am I the only one?

If not, or if others don’t mind anyways, wouldn’t it be better to just cut
the stable branch on beta instead?

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My Take:

  • rename Beta to RC
  • rather than having an RC2 adding one more release to the existing train maybe with a shorter timeline if/as needed

The rationale is giving users something testable that does not carry the Beta or RC tag as soon as possible and account for a initial shorter release cycle to cover pressing bugs and problems.

···

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Torben Barsballe <tbarsballe@anonymised.com> wrote:

There was some discussion on this topic in the PMC meeting. Salient points:

  • Should we rename the beta the RC (Basically, the fork/RC would now be 1 month before the .0 release and there wouldn’t be a beta release anymore).
  • The most useful naming scheme for would be whatever people are more likely to test- Should we still have an RC(2) two weeks before the .0?
  • Only if there are enough bugfixes to warrant it?
    Anyone have further opinions on these?

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On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Torben Barsballe <tbarsballe@anonymised.com> wrote:

PR’s for the associated doc changes here:

We also have a release process diagram which includes the freeze. While not critical, that could be updated - does anyone have the source files for it?

Torben

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Torben Barsballe <tbarsballe@anonymised.com> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@anonymised.com> wrote:

We could also cut the beta just to confirm master is releasable, and not branch. Make the first release candidate the branch to achieve the same effect.

It has the advantage of less moving parts, but we do not get a code freeze to focus on bugs. But as you point out that is not happening so much.

Unless I am misunderstanding you, this is what we do currently - branch on the RC. What are you actually suggesting here?

Torben

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 2:45 AM Ian Turton <ijturton@anonymised.com> wrote:

I agree we hardly ever see any feedback before the .0 release. Which is a shame but nothing we do seems to make a difference to customers.

So +1 for me

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On 16 February 2018 at 09:32, Nuno Oliveira <nuno.oliveira@anonymised.comt> wrote:

I don’t have any voting power, just want to express my +1 towards that change … and indeed I don’t see the advantage of the RC release.
If users don’t provide feedback, bug fix doesn’t happen … what are the advantages of having the RC release ?

On 02/16/2018 03:18 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

+1. It does seem that we are not getting much benefit from waiting until RC to branch, and any fix would be applied to master and the new stable before the .0 release. We could drop the RC altogether. The current procedure incurs not only a delay but also the work of an extra release (the RC).

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 14/02/18 22:58, Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi (apologies for the cross post),
I would like to hear opinions on changing the release procedures slightly,
and cutting the stable
branch directly on the beta release.

The reason for not doing the cut on beta but on RC originally was to push
devs to concentrate
on bug fixing.
However, since then we have shortened the beta life to just two weeks, we
are not getting significant
feedback from users (which typically starts flowing in on .0 or even .1
releases), and the bug fixing activity
is rather small (I try to do it anyways, but find myself fixing old bugs,
not new ones).

I’ve also noticed that I routinely created short lived forks of master to
keep on working on my daily job.
Wondering, am I the only one?

If not, or if others don’t mind anyways, wouldn’t it be better to just cut
the stable branch on beta instead?

Cheers
Andrea

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