Hi,
anyone has any experience with trying to use geoserver/postgis with Amazon EC2 infraestructure?. It is possible to use geoserver and postgis on EC2?..
thanks in advance,
facundo.-
Yeah,
I did. I used the jetty engine and have to say it was a little bit slow, but did not try much. Pity I deleted my AMI or I could have given to you directly. If you have any questions let me know.
Best regards,
Javier.
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yes please… tell me how did you install it, what service did you try (one instance, multiple instance,etc) , how much do you paid for it…
in the performance field, your results?..
thanks,
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Yeah,
I did. I used the jetty engine and have to say it was a little bit slow, but did not try much. Pity I deleted my AMI or I could have given to you directly. If you have any questions let me know.
Best regards,
Javier.
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I know a few people have tried it. I just set up a stub page in the wiki, if you have experiences with it please add to it: http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/GeoServer+and+AWS+EC2+and+S3
If you're really standing up a service I think the big problem is that for reliability you'll need to cluster PostGIS, or else you risk losing your data. Though if you just have a read only service you could store the postgis files in S3, and fire it up to read those on start up.
I'm not sure if people have tried Elastra with PostGIS, but that could be one solution. The one I'd like to try is to write a SimpleDB datastore for GeoServer, but that's pretty experimental and would need funding at this point. It could make a pretty compelling solution though - it'd guarantee that your data is safe and scalable.
Chris
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Javier,
yes please.. tell me how did you install it, what service did you try (one instance, multiple instance,etc) , how much do you paid for it...in the performance field, your results?...
thanks,
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Yeah,
I did. I used the jetty engine and have to say it was a little bit
slow, but did not try much. Pity I deleted my AMI or I could have
given to you directly. If you have any questions let me know.Best regards,
Javier.
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Javier,
sorry to bother, but i would like to know more about ecs and s3 services with geoserver and you are the only one i heard that have expirience with…
any chance that you could tell me a little bit more?.
thanks.
facundo.-
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I know a few people have tried it. I just set up a stub page in the wiki, if you have experiences with it please add to it: http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/GeoServer+and+AWS+EC2+and+S3
If you’re really standing up a service I think the big problem is that for reliability you’ll need to cluster PostGIS, or else you risk losing your data. Though if you just have a read only service you could store the postgis files in S3, and fire it up to read those on start up.
I’m not sure if people have tried Elastra with PostGIS, but that could be one solution. The one I’d like to try is to write a SimpleDB datastore for GeoServer, but that’s pretty experimental and would need funding at this point. It could make a pretty compelling solution though - it’d guarantee that your data is safe and scalable.
Chris
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Javier,
yes please… tell me how did you install it, what service did you try (one instance, multiple instance,etc) , how much do you paid for it…in the performance field, your results?..
thanks,
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Yeah,
I did. I used the jetty engine and have to say it was a little bit
slow, but did not try much. Pity I deleted my AMI or I could have
given to you directly. If you have any questions let me know.Best regards,
Javier.
On 15/04/2008, at 16:56, Facundo Garat wrote:
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Javier,
sorry to bother, but i would like to know more about ecs and s3 services with geoserver and you are the only one i heard that have expirience with…
any chance that you could tell me a little bit more?.
Sorry,
I forgot to answer this, right.
Well, the experience is quite forward. You install an AMI (there is a list at http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/kbcategory.jspa?categoryID=101)) . I used an Ubuntu AMI, but I dont know if there is a “preferred geoserver platform”. Then by using apt-get you install tomcat and postgres + postgis (if this is the DB you want). Install geoserver and configure it.
Once you have everything configured then you have to save the AMI in S3 and register it, so that in case of break you can get it back. All this is explained in the amazon doc very well.
The main issue with using Amazon EC2 is to take care that in case of shutdown your data is still save. When an amazon instance break then all your data is gone. So you have to take care of storing, for example the postgres data, in a safe place. Amazon is publicizing a new comming feature called "Persistent Storage for Amazon EC2 " (http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=21082&tstart=0)). This will make it very simple as you just have to make postgres point to this file system and you are done.
This was not present when I tried it so I looked for a different solution. The easiest is to use something like http://www.PersistentFS.com or http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/wiki/FuseOverAmazon to mount an s3 space in the ec2 image and save your database data there. The main issues with it is speed in writing, but some of this solutions provide already with caching mechanism that could help. Traffic between EC2 an S3 is free by the way.
Of course if you are only thinking in using EC2 for publishing and not for writing then you dont have to worry about this, if the instance breaks then you just create a new instance that includes the data and you are ready.
For scalability with EC2 then you can create your own solution, with balancers, dedicated db instances, and so on, but I did not experiment with this. But there are several documents and blog post available on how to do that.
So in general using geoserver with ec2 is nothing special than using it in classical servers apart of you have to take care of persistent storage.
Considering the performance I have the impression that EC2 instances, the small ones, are not very fast, but you should probably only consider EC2 if you really want to scale it with multiples instances, if not other hosting options might be more convenient as EC2 is not particularly cheap. That kind of brings another questions, anybody know ant hosting service where you could use Geoserver with Postgis? I suppose the biggest problem could be PostGIS.
Javier.
thanks.
facundo.-On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Chris Holmes <cholmes@anonymised.com> wrote:
I know a few people have tried it. I just set up a stub page in the wiki, if you have experiences with it please add to it: http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/GeoServer+and+AWS+EC2+and+S3
If you’re really standing up a service I think the big problem is that for reliability you’ll need to cluster PostGIS, or else you risk losing your data. Though if you just have a read only service you could store the postgis files in S3, and fire it up to read those on start up.
I’m not sure if people have tried Elastra with PostGIS, but that could be one solution. The one I’d like to try is to write a SimpleDB datastore for GeoServer, but that’s pretty experimental and would need funding at this point. It could make a pretty compelling solution though - it’d guarantee that your data is safe and scalable.
Chris
Facundo Garat wrote:
Javier,
yes please… tell me how did you install it, what service did you try (one instance, multiple instance,etc) , how much do you paid for it…in the performance field, your results?..
thanks,
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Yeah,
I did. I used the jetty engine and have to say it was a little bit
slow, but did not try much. Pity I deleted my AMI or I could have
given to you directly. If you have any questions let me know.Best regards,
Javier.
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Hi,
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Very much thanks…
do you need any special req. for postgis?. you could install it in any root server, thought
i’m evaluating this provider www.hetzner.de for our services… and servers with opensuse 10.3. (opensuse has packages for postgis and other gis packages) hope this help.
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Javier de la Torre <jatorre@anonymised.com> wrote:
Javier,
sorry to bother, but i would like to know more about ecs and s3 services with geoserver and you are the only one i heard that have expirience with…
any chance that you could tell me a little bit more?.Sorry,
I forgot to answer this, right.
Well, the experience is quite forward. You install an AMI (there is a list at http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/kbcategory.jspa?categoryID=101) . I used an Ubuntu AMI, but I dont know if there is a “preferred geoserver platform”. Then by using apt-get you install tomcat and postgres + postgis (if this is the DB you want). Install geoserver and configure it.
Once you have everything configured then you have to save the AMI in S3 and register it, so that in case of break you can get it back. All this is explained in the amazon doc very well.The main issue with using Amazon EC2 is to take care that in case of shutdown your data is still save. When an amazon instance break then all your data is gone. So you have to take care of storing, for example the postgres data, in a safe place. Amazon is publicizing a new comming feature called "Persistent Storage for Amazon EC2 " (http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=21082&tstart=0). This will make it very simple as you just have to make postgres point to this file system and you are done.
This was not present when I tried it so I looked for a different solution. The easiest is to use something like http://www.PersistentFS.com or http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/wiki/FuseOverAmazon to mount an s3 space in the ec2 image and save your database data there. The main issues with it is speed in writing, but some of this solutions provide already with caching mechanism that could help. Traffic between EC2 an S3 is free by the way.Of course if you are only thinking in using EC2 for publishing and not for writing then you dont have to worry about this, if the instance breaks then you just create a new instance that includes the data and you are ready.
For scalability with EC2 then you can create your own solution, with balancers, dedicated db instances, and so on, but I did not experiment with this. But there are several documents and blog post available on how to do that.
So in general using geoserver with ec2 is nothing special than using it in classical servers apart of you have to take care of persistent storage.
Considering the performance I have the impression that EC2 instances, the small ones, are not very fast, but you should probably only consider EC2 if you really want to scale it with multiples instances, if not other hosting options might be more convenient as EC2 is not particularly cheap. That kind of brings another questions, anybody know ant hosting service where you could use Geoserver with Postgis? I suppose the biggest problem could be PostGIS.
Javier.
thanks.
facundo.-On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Chris Holmes <cholmes@anonymised.com> wrote:
I know a few people have tried it. I just set up a stub page in the wiki, if you have experiences with it please add to it: http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/GeoServer+and+AWS+EC2+and+S3
If you’re really standing up a service I think the big problem is that for reliability you’ll need to cluster PostGIS, or else you risk losing your data. Though if you just have a read only service you could store the postgis files in S3, and fire it up to read those on start up.
I’m not sure if people have tried Elastra with PostGIS, but that could be one solution. The one I’d like to try is to write a SimpleDB datastore for GeoServer, but that’s pretty experimental and would need funding at this point. It could make a pretty compelling solution though - it’d guarantee that your data is safe and scalable.
Chris
Facundo Garat wrote:
Javier,
yes please… tell me how did you install it, what service did you try (one instance, multiple instance,etc) , how much do you paid for it…in the performance field, your results?..
thanks,
facundo.-On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Javier de la Torre <jatorre@…84… mailto:[jatorre@anonymised.com](mailto:jatorre@anonymised.com)> wrote:
Yeah,
I did. I used the jetty engine and have to say it was a little bit
slow, but did not try much. Pity I deleted my AMI or I could have
given to you directly. If you have any questions let me know.Best regards,
Javier.
On 15/04/2008, at 16:56, Facundo Garat wrote:
Hi,
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with Amazon EC2 infraestructure?. It is possible to use
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Hi Facundo.
I was looking for a cheap hosting service not a housing service.
I talked with my current one, geekisp, and he will install PostGIS this week 
So for 10 dollards a month is not bad. Good for testing.
I am trying to figure out with him why geoserver dont get deployed in his Tomcat installations.
Cheers.
On 07/05/2008, at 22:05, Facundo Garat wrote:
Very much thanks…
do you need any special req. for postgis?. you could install it in any root server, thought
i’m evaluating this provider www.hetzner.de for our services… and servers with opensuse 10.3. (opensuse has packages for postgis and other gis packages) hope this help.
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Javier de la Torre <jatorre@anonymised.com> wrote:
Javier,
sorry to bother, but i would like to know more about ecs and s3 services with geoserver and you are the only one i heard that have expirience with…
any chance that you could tell me a little bit more?.Sorry,
I forgot to answer this, right.
Well, the experience is quite forward. You install an AMI (there is a list at http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/kbcategory.jspa?categoryID=101) . I used an Ubuntu AMI, but I dont know if there is a “preferred geoserver platform”. Then by using apt-get you install tomcat and postgres + postgis (if this is the DB you want). Install geoserver and configure it.
Once you have everything configured then you have to save the AMI in S3 and register it, so that in case of break you can get it back. All this is explained in the amazon doc very well.The main issue with using Amazon EC2 is to take care that in case of shutdown your data is still save. When an amazon instance break then all your data is gone. So you have to take care of storing, for example the postgres data, in a safe place. Amazon is publicizing a new comming feature called "Persistent Storage for Amazon EC2 " (http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=21082&tstart=0). This will make it very simple as you just have to make postgres point to this file system and you are done.
This was not present when I tried it so I looked for a different solution. The easiest is to use something like http://www.PersistentFS.com or http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/wiki/FuseOverAmazon to mount an s3 space in the ec2 image and save your database data there. The main issues with it is speed in writing, but some of this solutions provide already with caching mechanism that could help. Traffic between EC2 an S3 is free by the way.Of course if you are only thinking in using EC2 for publishing and not for writing then you dont have to worry about this, if the instance breaks then you just create a new instance that includes the data and you are ready.
For scalability with EC2 then you can create your own solution, with balancers, dedicated db instances, and so on, but I did not experiment with this. But there are several documents and blog post available on how to do that.
So in general using geoserver with ec2 is nothing special than using it in classical servers apart of you have to take care of persistent storage.
Considering the performance I have the impression that EC2 instances, the small ones, are not very fast, but you should probably only consider EC2 if you really want to scale it with multiples instances, if not other hosting options might be more convenient as EC2 is not particularly cheap. That kind of brings another questions, anybody know ant hosting service where you could use Geoserver with Postgis? I suppose the biggest problem could be PostGIS.
Javier.
thanks.
facundo.-On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Chris Holmes <cholmes@anonymised.com> wrote:
I know a few people have tried it. I just set up a stub page in the wiki, if you have experiences with it please add to it: http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/GeoServer+and+AWS+EC2+and+S3
If you’re really standing up a service I think the big problem is that for reliability you’ll need to cluster PostGIS, or else you risk losing your data. Though if you just have a read only service you could store the postgis files in S3, and fire it up to read those on start up.
I’m not sure if people have tried Elastra with PostGIS, but that could be one solution. The one I’d like to try is to write a SimpleDB datastore for GeoServer, but that’s pretty experimental and would need funding at this point. It could make a pretty compelling solution though - it’d guarantee that your data is safe and scalable.
Chris
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Javier,
yes please… tell me how did you install it, what service did you try (one instance, multiple instance,etc) , how much do you paid for it…in the performance field, your results?..
thanks,
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Yeah,
I did. I used the jetty engine and have to say it was a little bit
slow, but did not try much. Pity I deleted my AMI or I could have
given to you directly. If you have any questions let me know.Best regards,
Javier.
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Hi,
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Javier de la Torre ha scritto:
Hi Facundo.
I was looking for a cheap hosting service not a housing service.
I talked with my current one, geekisp, and he will install PostGIS this week
I am trying to figure out with him why geoserver dont get deployed in his Tomcat installations.
GeoServer needs to have fully security clearance to run, you usually
don't get that much on a hosting. See for example the issues with
running GeoServer in standard Tomcat as distributed with Ubuntu,
which is security locked down:
http://grimmeister.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/setting-up-an-open-geospatial-consortium-service-server/
Cheers
Andrea
Thanks Andrea,
That might very well the problem I am having...
I'll check it out.
Cheers.
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Javier de la Torre ha scritto:
Hi Facundo.
I was looking for a cheap hosting service not a housing service.
I talked with my current one, geekisp, and he will install PostGIS this week
I am trying to figure out with him why geoserver dont get deployed in his Tomcat installations.GeoServer needs to have fully security clearance to run, you usually
don't get that much on a hosting. See for example the issues with
running GeoServer in standard Tomcat as distributed with Ubuntu,
which is security locked down:
http://grimmeister.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/setting-up-an-open-geospatial-consortium-service-server/Cheers
Andrea