[Geoserver-users] new to GeoServer and open source operating systems

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1

Hi,

just commenting of the OS choosing. I can regard myself as a beginner when talking about Linux administration, though I did my first RedHat installation 10 years ago.

My recommendation is: choose CentOS 5.x but beware of the SELinux option. This is only my opinion, but I think that SELinux security system is too much for the beginner. I installed Centos 5.1 to my Poweredge 1950 and swithed the "security level" into "maximum" at the connfiguration phase. I had a lot of difficulties after that. For example I couldn't get the virtualization to work. So I did a lot of web browsing and found many comments about problems concerning the SELinux usage. After a while I decided to downgrade into 4.6. I am not sure was it a clever move. It is difficult to get the latest applications to work in 4.x.

I think that the SELinux can be a fine system but for the Linux-newbie it can be an obstacle to get the OS to work properly. I think it can be added afterwards but not removed? Here is an article concerning it anyway.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9500

Don't take my notes too seriously. These are words of a non-expert level Linux administrator. Anyway Centos is a fine choice.

reg.
mika

Walter Svekla kirjoitti:

Perfect - thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Arne Kepp [mailto:ak@anonymised.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:01 PM
To: sinjin
Cc: geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] new to GeoServer and open source operating
systems

The official documentation is pretty good: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/ (it's Red Hat's)

Since you're installing it on a server (no need for wireless, browser plugins and all that stuff) it's pretty straightforward. Assuming you're free to reformat the hard drive(s), it's very straightforward. That part is easier than Windows imho, so I would just download the DVD and go. Try installing as little as possible on the first run, it's trivial to add features later.

-Arne

sinjin wrote:
  

Arne,

Can you recommend a good text (or online documentation) for getting
    

started
  

with CentOS? Much of the GeoServer documentation seems getting you
    

started
  

from already having CentOS installed.

Thanks!
-Walter

Arne Kepp-2 wrote:
  

It depends what your intended outcome is. If you are going to set up a production server then you should pick the OS that you are most familiar with.

If that's Windows, then you probably have to go with Windows 2003 server (XP limits the number of connections and doesn't have drivers for most poweredge disk controllers).

With regards to Linux, I personally recommend CentOS (Red Hat clone), you can find instructions here:
http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/1.1+Install+GeoServer

Also see the the production notes:

http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/6+GeoServer+in+Production+Environment
  

-Arne

sinjin wrote:
    

I am looking for some advice. I am brand new to geoserver and brand new
to
setting up and administering a server/web server. I got my hands on a
dell
poweredge (i can provide specs upon request). since i am pretty much
working with a blank slate, i would like to solicit opinions on which OS
operating system would be the best in terms of ease of learning, ease of
implementing geoserver, etc.

any ideas? thanks!
  

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As a Fedora user I've run into some issues with SELinux myself, but I still
leave it enabled for day-to-day use on my desktop system (I don't administer
any servers so take my advice with a grain of salt.)

SELinux has an 'audit' mode where it will run all the normal security checks
but not enforce them; in that mode it logs would-be restrictions so you can
determine what changes to the selinux policy need to be made for your system.
For desktop systems there is a tool called setroubleshoot that tells you the
exact command to use to disable the rule for each log message. (I think this
tool has facilities for examining a remote system as well, so you could
potentially use it for debugging SELinux policies on a headless server.)

Also, SELinux requires that files be marked with a 'security context.' These
are handled automatically when SELinux is enabled or auditing, but if you
enable SELinux on a system that doesn't have this context info then the
system will refuse to boot. There is a command-line tool you can use to set
proper default contexts for a directory tree, so it is possible (though
somewhat inconvenient) to enable SELinux on a system that doesn't have it.

So the short version: If you're even considering using SELinux in the future
you should leave it in audit mode rather than completely disabling it.

Hope this helps,
-David Winslow

On Wednesday 12 March 2008 03:09:46 Lehtonen, Mika wrote:

Hi,

just commenting of the OS choosing. I can regard myself as a beginner
when talking about Linux administration, though I did my first RedHat
installation 10 years ago.

My recommendation is: choose CentOS 5.x but beware of the SELinux
option. This is only my opinion, but I think that SELinux security
system is too much for the beginner. I installed Centos 5.1 to my
Poweredge 1950 and swithed the "security level" into "maximum" at the
connfiguration phase. I had a lot of difficulties after that. For
example I couldn't get the virtualization to work. So I did a lot of web
browsing and found many comments about problems concerning the SELinux
usage. After a while I decided to downgrade into 4.6. I am not sure was
it a clever move. It is difficult to get the latest applications to work
in 4.x.

I think that the SELinux can be a fine system but for the Linux-newbie
it can be an obstacle to get the OS to work properly. I think it can be
added afterwards but not removed? Here is an article concerning it anyway.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9500

Don't take my notes too seriously. These are words of a non-expert level
Linux administrator. Anyway Centos is a fine choice.

reg.
mika

Walter Svekla kirjoitti:
> Perfect - thanks!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arne Kepp [mailto:ak@anonymised.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:01 PM
> To: sinjin
> Cc: geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] new to GeoServer and open source operating
> systems
>
> The official documentation is pretty good: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/
> (it's Red Hat's)
>
> Since you're installing it on a server (no need for wireless, browser
> plugins and all that stuff) it's pretty straightforward. Assuming you're
> free to reformat the hard drive(s), it's very straightforward. That part
> is easier than Windows imho, so I would just download the DVD and go.
> Try installing as little as possible on the first run, it's trivial to
> add features later.
>
> -Arne
>
> sinjin wrote:
>> Arne,
>>
>> Can you recommend a good text (or online documentation) for getting
>
> started
>
>> with CentOS? Much of the GeoServer documentation seems getting you
>
> started
>
>> from already having CentOS installed.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Walter
>>
>> Arne Kepp-2 wrote:
>>> It depends what your intended outcome is. If you are going to set up a
>>> production server then you should pick the OS that you are most
>>> familiar with.
>>>
>>> If that's Windows, then you probably have to go with Windows 2003
>>> server (XP limits the number of connections and doesn't have drivers
>>> for most poweredge disk controllers).
>>>
>>> With regards to Linux, I personally recommend CentOS (Red Hat clone),
>>> you can find instructions here:
>>> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/1.1+Install+GeoServer
>>>
>>> Also see the the production notes:
>
> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/6+GeoServer+in+Production+Environmen
>t
>
>>> -Arne
>>>
>>> sinjin wrote:
>>>> I am looking for some advice. I am brand new to geoserver and brand
>>>> new to
>>>> setting up and administering a server/web server. I got my hands on a
>>>> dell
>>>> poweredge (i can provide specs upon request). since i am pretty much
>>>> working with a blank slate, i would like to solicit opinions on which
>>>> OS operating system would be the best in terms of ease of learning,
>>>> ease of implementing geoserver, etc.
>>>>
>>>> any ideas? thanks!
>>>
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Mika - thanks for the input... great info, especially for someone new like
myself...

Lehtonen, Mika wrote:

Hi,

just commenting of the OS choosing. I can regard myself as a beginner
when talking about Linux administration, though I did my first RedHat
installation 10 years ago.

My recommendation is: choose CentOS 5.x but beware of the SELinux
option. This is only my opinion, but I think that SELinux security
system is too much for the beginner. I installed Centos 5.1 to my
Poweredge 1950 and swithed the "security level" into "maximum" at the
connfiguration phase. I had a lot of difficulties after that. For
example I couldn't get the virtualization to work. So I did a lot of web
browsing and found many comments about problems concerning the SELinux
usage. After a while I decided to downgrade into 4.6. I am not sure was
it a clever move. It is difficult to get the latest applications to work
in 4.x.

I think that the SELinux can be a fine system but for the Linux-newbie
it can be an obstacle to get the OS to work properly. I think it can be
added afterwards but not removed? Here is an article concerning it anyway.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9500

Don't take my notes too seriously. These are words of a non-expert level
Linux administrator. Anyway Centos is a fine choice.

reg.
mika

Walter Svekla kirjoitti:

Perfect - thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Arne Kepp [mailto:ak@anonymised.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:01 PM
To: sinjin
Cc: geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] new to GeoServer and open source operating
systems

The official documentation is pretty good: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/
(it's Red Hat's)

Since you're installing it on a server (no need for wireless, browser
plugins and all that stuff) it's pretty straightforward. Assuming you're
free to reformat the hard drive(s), it's very straightforward. That part
is easier than Windows imho, so I would just download the DVD and go.
Try installing as little as possible on the first run, it's trivial to
add features later.

-Arne

sinjin wrote:
  

Arne,

Can you recommend a good text (or online documentation) for getting
    

started
  

with CentOS? Much of the GeoServer documentation seems getting you
    

started
  

from already having CentOS installed.

Thanks!
-Walter

Arne Kepp-2 wrote:
  

It depends what your intended outcome is. If you are going to set up a
production server then you should pick the OS that you are most
familiar
with.

If that's Windows, then you probably have to go with Windows 2003
server
(XP limits the number of connections and doesn't have drivers for most
poweredge disk controllers).

With regards to Linux, I personally recommend CentOS (Red Hat clone),
you can find instructions here:
http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/1.1+Install+GeoServer

Also see the the production notes:

http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/6+GeoServer+in+Production+Environment
  

-Arne

sinjin wrote:
    

I am looking for some advice. I am brand new to geoserver and brand
new
to
setting up and administering a server/web server. I got my hands on a
dell
poweredge (i can provide specs upon request). since i am pretty much
working with a blank slate, i would like to solicit opinions on which
OS
operating system would be the best in terms of ease of learning, ease
of
implementing geoserver, etc.

any ideas? thanks!
  

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Don't take it too literally, I am sort of a beginner myself. These OSs'
and software are only tools for me. I have no intention to become an
expert "geek" on them.

Please take into account what David Winslow wrote. Your life will be
miserable if you add the security afterwards. But do you need it? If you
are installing the OS first time in your life, you probably aren't
building a high security production environment. But on the other hand,
it's a good practise to learn the basics on security right from the very
beginning.

I you have any question about Centos, no matter how silly they sound,
please ask. I answer if I can, probably can't. I am not an expert like I
said, but I might understand better the people who are starting the
learning than those who already are experts.

reg.
mika

sinjin kirjoitti:

Mika - thanks for the input... great info, especially for someone new like
myself...

Lehtonen, Mika wrote:
  

Hi,

just commenting of the OS choosing. I can regard myself as a beginner when talking about Linux administration, though I did my first RedHat installation 10 years ago.

My recommendation is: choose CentOS 5.x but beware of the SELinux option. This is only my opinion, but I think that SELinux security system is too much for the beginner. I installed Centos 5.1 to my Poweredge 1950 and swithed the "security level" into "maximum" at the connfiguration phase. I had a lot of difficulties after that. For example I couldn't get the virtualization to work. So I did a lot of web browsing and found many comments about problems concerning the SELinux usage. After a while I decided to downgrade into 4.6. I am not sure was it a clever move. It is difficult to get the latest applications to work in 4.x.

I think that the SELinux can be a fine system but for the Linux-newbie it can be an obstacle to get the OS to work properly. I think it can be added afterwards but not removed? Here is an article concerning it anyway.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9500

Don't take my notes too seriously. These are words of a non-expert level Linux administrator. Anyway Centos is a fine choice.

reg.
mika

Walter Svekla kirjoitti:
    

Perfect - thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Arne Kepp [mailto:ak@anonymised.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:01 PM
To: sinjin
Cc: geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] new to GeoServer and open source operating
systems

The official documentation is pretty good: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/ (it's Red Hat's)

Since you're installing it on a server (no need for wireless, browser plugins and all that stuff) it's pretty straightforward. Assuming you're free to reformat the hard drive(s), it's very straightforward. That part is easier than Windows imho, so I would just download the DVD and go. Try installing as little as possible on the first run, it's trivial to add features later.

-Arne

sinjin wrote:
  

Arne,

Can you recommend a good text (or online documentation) for getting
    

started
  

with CentOS? Much of the GeoServer documentation seems getting you
    

started
  

from already having CentOS installed.

Thanks!
-Walter

Arne Kepp-2 wrote:
  

It depends what your intended outcome is. If you are going to set up a production server then you should pick the OS that you are most
familiar with.

If that's Windows, then you probably have to go with Windows 2003
server (XP limits the number of connections and doesn't have drivers for most poweredge disk controllers).

With regards to Linux, I personally recommend CentOS (Red Hat clone), you can find instructions here:
http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/1.1+Install+GeoServer

Also see the the production notes:

http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/6+GeoServer+in+Production+Environment
  

-Arne

sinjin wrote:
    

I am looking for some advice. I am brand new to geoserver and brand
new
to
setting up and administering a server/web server. I got my hands on a
dell
poweredge (i can provide specs upon request). since i am pretty much
working with a blank slate, i would like to solicit opinions on which
OS
operating system would be the best in terms of ease of learning, ease
of
implementing geoserver, etc.

any ideas? thanks!
  

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David,

Thanks for your input... as i am new at this, its taking me some time to
process this stuff, and i will keep my eyes out for the audit mode issues
you mention. have a great weekend!

-Walter

David Winslow-3 wrote:

As a Fedora user I've run into some issues with SELinux myself, but I
still
leave it enabled for day-to-day use on my desktop system (I don't
administer
any servers so take my advice with a grain of salt.)

SELinux has an 'audit' mode where it will run all the normal security
checks
but not enforce them; in that mode it logs would-be restrictions so you
can
determine what changes to the selinux policy need to be made for your
system.
For desktop systems there is a tool called setroubleshoot that tells you
the
exact command to use to disable the rule for each log message. (I think
this
tool has facilities for examining a remote system as well, so you could
potentially use it for debugging SELinux policies on a headless server.)

Also, SELinux requires that files be marked with a 'security context.'
These
are handled automatically when SELinux is enabled or auditing, but if you
enable SELinux on a system that doesn't have this context info then the
system will refuse to boot. There is a command-line tool you can use to
set
proper default contexts for a directory tree, so it is possible (though
somewhat inconvenient) to enable SELinux on a system that doesn't have it.

So the short version: If you're even considering using SELinux in the
future
you should leave it in audit mode rather than completely disabling it.

Hope this helps,
-David Winslow

On Wednesday 12 March 2008 03:09:46 Lehtonen, Mika wrote:

Hi,

just commenting of the OS choosing. I can regard myself as a beginner
when talking about Linux administration, though I did my first RedHat
installation 10 years ago.

My recommendation is: choose CentOS 5.x but beware of the SELinux
option. This is only my opinion, but I think that SELinux security
system is too much for the beginner. I installed Centos 5.1 to my
Poweredge 1950 and swithed the "security level" into "maximum" at the
connfiguration phase. I had a lot of difficulties after that. For
example I couldn't get the virtualization to work. So I did a lot of web
browsing and found many comments about problems concerning the SELinux
usage. After a while I decided to downgrade into 4.6. I am not sure was
it a clever move. It is difficult to get the latest applications to work
in 4.x.

I think that the SELinux can be a fine system but for the Linux-newbie
it can be an obstacle to get the OS to work properly. I think it can be
added afterwards but not removed? Here is an article concerning it
anyway.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9500

Don't take my notes too seriously. These are words of a non-expert level
Linux administrator. Anyway Centos is a fine choice.

reg.
mika

Walter Svekla kirjoitti:
> Perfect - thanks!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arne Kepp [mailto:ak@anonymised.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:01 PM
> To: sinjin
> Cc: geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] new to GeoServer and open source
operating
> systems
>
> The official documentation is pretty good:
http://www.centos.org/docs/5/
> (it's Red Hat's)
>
> Since you're installing it on a server (no need for wireless, browser
> plugins and all that stuff) it's pretty straightforward. Assuming
you're
> free to reformat the hard drive(s), it's very straightforward. That
part
> is easier than Windows imho, so I would just download the DVD and go.
> Try installing as little as possible on the first run, it's trivial to
> add features later.
>
> -Arne
>
> sinjin wrote:
>> Arne,
>>
>> Can you recommend a good text (or online documentation) for getting
>
> started
>
>> with CentOS? Much of the GeoServer documentation seems getting you
>
> started
>
>> from already having CentOS installed.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Walter
>>
>> Arne Kepp-2 wrote:
>>> It depends what your intended outcome is. If you are going to set up
a
>>> production server then you should pick the OS that you are most
>>> familiar with.
>>>
>>> If that's Windows, then you probably have to go with Windows 2003
>>> server (XP limits the number of connections and doesn't have drivers
>>> for most poweredge disk controllers).
>>>
>>> With regards to Linux, I personally recommend CentOS (Red Hat clone),
>>> you can find instructions here:
>>> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/1.1+Install+GeoServer
>>>
>>> Also see the the production notes:
>
>
http://geoserver.org/display/GEOSDOC/6+GeoServer+in+Production+Environmen
>t
>
>>> -Arne
>>>
>>> sinjin wrote:
>>>> I am looking for some advice. I am brand new to geoserver and brand
>>>> new to
>>>> setting up and administering a server/web server. I got my hands on
a
>>>> dell
>>>> poweredge (i can provide specs upon request). since i am pretty
much
>>>> working with a blank slate, i would like to solicit opinions on
which
>>>> OS operating system would be the best in terms of ease of learning,
>>>> ease of implementing geoserver, etc.
>>>>
>>>> any ideas? thanks!
>>>
>>>
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