what’s everyone opinion? postgis or db2? why?
and in java world?..
jboss? glassfish? geronimo?..
thanks,
facundo.-
pd: sorry if this was already threated
Well support for both is pretty good in GeoServer, both are well
maintained but there are many more postgis users then db2 users. Also
you more often see support in other projects for postgres then db2.
AS for application server its not quite as clear cut. Most GeoServer
deployments that I have seen just keep it to tomcat or jetty. I have
heard of a few folks deploying in jboss.. but not much about glassfish
or geronimo.
-Justin
Facundo Garat wrote:
what's everyone opinion? postgis or db2? why?
and in java world?...
jboss? glassfish? geronimo?...
thanks,
facundo.-
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To: Facundo Garat [mailto:facundo.garat@anonymised.com]
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Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] postgis or db2Well support for both is pretty good in GeoServer, both are well
maintained but there are many more postgis users then db2 users. Also
you more often see support in other projects for postgres then db2.AS for application server its not quite as clear cut. Most GeoServer
deployments that I have seen just keep it to tomcat or jetty. I have
heard of a few folks deploying in jboss… but not much about glassfish
or geronimo.-Justin
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jboss? glassfish? geronimo?..
thanks,
facundo.-
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Howdy Guys,
I have not used db2 so I can’t comment on PostGIS vs. DB2.
I can comment on the JBoss vs Tomcat vs Glassfish.
This is just my opinion, I’m sure there are others out there that will contradict mine but here you go…
For the past 4 years I have been a heavy user of Tomcat. For the most part I have found it to be a simple servlet container. It exhibits some quite annoying config, web console/admin, and deployment problems (esp PermGen). However, Tomcat starts to limit you when you are talking Enterprise level. Farmed deployment, load balancing, clustering are all either non-existant… or flakey. From this I was motivated to move to JBoss, which offers Farmed deployment, better clustering support and is not just a Servlet Container.
Aside from the fact JBoss embed’s tomcat’s servlet container and inherits its 5.5.x PermGen problems… the quirky thing with these and several other (inc commercial) app servers is that they all have their own lilttle configuration mechanisms. Datasource definitions are done defined in different locations, jndi context’s are sometimes different, logging is different… it goes on. The footprint of JBoss is huge, and so is the startup time, and the download. There seems to be many minor incremental versions that have compatibility issues too.
In the past few weeks I have switched to glassfish and all I have is good news! This is a complete EE container and I have not found any instability yet, clustering appears to be very easy, the web interface is excellent and stable (which is rare!) and would be a great way for the not so technical to work with their webapps (like geoserver). It was great to be able to add my GEOSERVER_DATA_DIR from the web admin console. I was going to post to the devel list and recommend that they try glassfish because it is equally easy to install and configure as tomcat, but will all the features the enterprise users would like. There’s been a few posts about spatial EJB/Hibernate this week…
In summary I left Tomcat because it wasn’t a rich platform and had some annoying stability issues, and I left JBoss because it’s clunky , heavy, unique config options and most of all because there is now a less painful option.
On 8/31/07, David Robison <drrobison@anonymised.com> wrote:
We use JBoss to deploy geoserver, mainly because we are deploying other applications and services along with geoserver. Using JBoss gives us one platform for deploying to.
David
From: Justin Deoliveira [mailto:jdeolive@anonymised.com]
To: Facundo Garat [mailto: facundo.garat@anonymised.com]
Cc: geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:47:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] postgis or db2Well support for both is pretty good in GeoServer, both are well
maintained but there are many more postgis users then db2 users. Also
you more often see support in other projects for postgres then db2.AS for application server its not quite as clear cut. Most GeoServer
deployments that I have seen just keep it to tomcat or jetty. I have
heard of a few folks deploying in jboss… but not much about glassfish
or geronimo.-Justin
Facundo Garat wrote:
what’s everyone opinion? postgis or db2? why?
and in java world?..
jboss? glassfish? geronimo?..
thanks,
facundo.-
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Hey There,
First, goto the Glassfish web admin console ( http://localhost:4848/ )
Defaults login is… admin / adminadmin
Firstly, if you are windows go to next step… if you are nix based, you will need to set the java headless parameter, done EASILY on glassfish. In the web admin console look under the configurations for JVM Settings → JVM Options… and add a new parameter - Djava.awt.headless=true (apologies I can’t recall if this is in the default or server config there is no harm in doing both).
Second: From here you should find it pretty straight foward deploying the war via the admin console. Note that glassfish has one really nice feature… you could deploy a war named say Geoserver20070901.war to a specific context say /geoserver. Otherwise if you are like me you normally rename the war file, and lose the vital geoserver distro infomation.
That was all I did and it was working super smooth.
Regards,
–AH
- The java headless parameter is used to flag java to use its internal GUI/Graphics utilities, rather than the operating systems. In *nix platforms this occurs because not all users are granted access to this O/S resource. The resource required from the O/S by Geoserver are graphics related. You will find this on all EE app servers not glassfish.
p.s. for those wishing to specificy a GEOSERVER_DATA_DIR in glassfish, for persistant config you can EASILY set a JVM Option the same way as the headless option, adding the following JVM param:
-DGEOSERVER_DATA_DIR=/path-to/GEOSERVER_DATA (*nix)
-DGEOSERVER_DATA_DIR=c:/GEOSERVER_DATA (doze)
On 9/9/07, Facundo Garat <facundo.garat@anonymised.com > wrote:
Hi Andrew, thanks a lot for your answer. I’m giving a try to glassfish/sjsas…
But I’m having some trouble to deploy the geoserver app…
Do you have any recomendation for me?.
thanks.
Facundo.-On 8/30/07, Andrew Hughes < ahhughes@anonymised.com> wrote:
Howdy Guys,
I have not used db2 so I can’t comment on PostGIS vs. DB2.
I can comment on the JBoss vs Tomcat vs Glassfish.
This is just my opinion, I’m sure there are others out there that will contradict mine but here you go…
For the past 4 years I have been a heavy user of Tomcat. For the most part I have found it to be a simple servlet container. It exhibits some quite annoying config, web console/admin, and deployment problems (esp PermGen). However, Tomcat starts to limit you when you are talking Enterprise level. Farmed deployment, load balancing, clustering are all either non-existant… or flakey. From this I was motivated to move to JBoss, which offers Farmed deployment, better clustering support and is not just a Servlet Container.
Aside from the fact JBoss embed’s tomcat’s servlet container and inherits its 5.5.x PermGen problems… the quirky thing with these and several other (inc commercial) app servers is that they all have their own lilttle configuration mechanisms. Datasource definitions are done defined in different locations, jndi context’s are sometimes different, logging is different… it goes on. The footprint of JBoss is huge, and so is the startup time, and the download. There seems to be many minor incremental versions that have compatibility issues too.
In the past few weeks I have switched to glassfish and all I have is good news! This is a complete EE container and I have not found any instability yet, clustering appears to be very easy, the web interface is excellent and stable (which is rare!) and would be a great way for the not so technical to work with their webapps (like geoserver). It was great to be able to add my GEOSERVER_DATA_DIR from the web admin console. I was going to post to the devel list and recommend that they try glassfish because it is equally easy to install and configure as tomcat, but will all the features the enterprise users would like. There’s been a few posts about spatial EJB/Hibernate this week…
In summary I left Tomcat because it wasn’t a rich platform and had some annoying stability issues, and I left JBoss because it’s clunky , heavy, unique config options and most of all because there is now a less painful option.
On 8/31/07, David Robison < drrobison@anonymised.com> wrote:
We use JBoss to deploy geoserver, mainly because we are deploying other applications and services along with geoserver. Using JBoss gives us one platform for deploying to.
David
From: Justin Deoliveira [mailto:jdeolive@anonymised.com]
To: Facundo Garat [mailto: facundo.garat@anonymised.com]
Cc: geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:47:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] postgis or db2Well support for both is pretty good in GeoServer, both are well
maintained but there are many more postgis users then db2 users. Also
you more often see support in other projects for postgres then db2.AS for application server its not quite as clear cut. Most GeoServer
deployments that I have seen just keep it to tomcat or jetty. I have
heard of a few folks deploying in jboss… but not much about glassfish
or geronimo.-Justin
Facundo Garat wrote:
what’s everyone opinion? postgis or db2? why?
and in java world?..
jboss? glassfish? geronimo?..
thanks,
facundo.-
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Andrew Thanks a lot for the explanation…It was really useful.
I’ve a basic geoserver running on sjsas/glassfish…
Regards,
Facundo.-
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Hey There,
First, goto the Glassfish web admin console ( http://localhost:4848/ )
Defaults login is… admin / adminadmin
Firstly, if you are windows go to next step… if you are nix based, you will need to set the java headless parameter, done EASILY on glassfish. In the web admin console look under the configurations for JVM Settings → JVM Options… and add a new parameter - Djava.awt.headless=true (apologies I can’t recall if this is in the default or server config there is no harm in doing both).
Second: From here you should find it pretty straight foward deploying the war via the admin console. Note that glassfish has one really nice feature… you could deploy a war named say Geoserver20070901.war to a specific context say /geoserver. Otherwise if you are like me you normally rename the war file, and lose the vital geoserver distro infomation.
That was all I did and it was working super smooth.
Regards,
–AH
- The java headless parameter is used to flag java to use its internal GUI/Graphics utilities, rather than the operating systems. In *nix platforms this occurs because not all users are granted access to this O/S resource. The resource required from the O/S by Geoserver are graphics related. You will find this on all EE app servers not glassfish.
p.s. for those wishing to specificy a GEOSERVER_DATA_DIR in glassfish, for persistant config you can EASILY set a JVM Option the same way as the headless option, adding the following JVM param:
-DGEOSERVER_DATA_DIR=/path-to/GEOSERVER_DATA (*nix)
-DGEOSERVER_DATA_DIR=c:/GEOSERVER_DATA (doze)On 9/9/07, Facundo Garat < facundo.garat@anonymised.com > wrote:
Hi Andrew, thanks a lot for your answer. I’m giving a try to glassfish/sjsas…
But I’m having some trouble to deploy the geoserver app…
Do you have any recomendation for me?.
thanks.
Facundo.-On 8/30/07, Andrew Hughes < ahhughes@anonymised.com> wrote:
Howdy Guys,
I have not used db2 so I can’t comment on PostGIS vs. DB2.
I can comment on the JBoss vs Tomcat vs Glassfish.
This is just my opinion, I’m sure there are others out there that will contradict mine but here you go…
For the past 4 years I have been a heavy user of Tomcat. For the most part I have found it to be a simple servlet container. It exhibits some quite annoying config, web console/admin, and deployment problems (esp PermGen). However, Tomcat starts to limit you when you are talking Enterprise level. Farmed deployment, load balancing, clustering are all either non-existant… or flakey. From this I was motivated to move to JBoss, which offers Farmed deployment, better clustering support and is not just a Servlet Container.
Aside from the fact JBoss embed’s tomcat’s servlet container and inherits its 5.5.x PermGen problems… the quirky thing with these and several other (inc commercial) app servers is that they all have their own lilttle configuration mechanisms. Datasource definitions are done defined in different locations, jndi context’s are sometimes different, logging is different… it goes on. The footprint of JBoss is huge, and so is the startup time, and the download. There seems to be many minor incremental versions that have compatibility issues too.
In the past few weeks I have switched to glassfish and all I have is good news! This is a complete EE container and I have not found any instability yet, clustering appears to be very easy, the web interface is excellent and stable (which is rare!) and would be a great way for the not so technical to work with their webapps (like geoserver). It was great to be able to add my GEOSERVER_DATA_DIR from the web admin console. I was going to post to the devel list and recommend that they try glassfish because it is equally easy to install and configure as tomcat, but will all the features the enterprise users would like. There’s been a few posts about spatial EJB/Hibernate this week…
In summary I left Tomcat because it wasn’t a rich platform and had some annoying stability issues, and I left JBoss because it’s clunky , heavy, unique config options and most of all because there is now a less painful option.
On 8/31/07, David Robison < drrobison@anonymised.com> wrote:
We use JBoss to deploy geoserver, mainly because we are deploying other applications and services along with geoserver. Using JBoss gives us one platform for deploying to.
David
From: Justin Deoliveira [mailto:jdeolive@anonymised.com]
To: Facundo Garat [mailto: facundo.garat@anonymised.com]
Cc: geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:47:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] postgis or db2Well support for both is pretty good in GeoServer, both are well
maintained but there are many more postgis users then db2 users. Also
you more often see support in other projects for postgres then db2.AS for application server its not quite as clear cut. Most GeoServer
deployments that I have seen just keep it to tomcat or jetty. I have
heard of a few folks deploying in jboss… but not much about glassfish
or geronimo.-Justin
Facundo Garat wrote:
what’s everyone opinion? postgis or db2? why?
and in java world?..
jboss? glassfish? geronimo?..
thanks,
facundo.-
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Andrew, another one…
Could you make use of glassfish JDBC Connection Pool in geoserver?.
thanks,
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Andrew Thanks a lot for the explanation…It was really useful.
I’ve a basic geoserver running on sjsas/glassfish…
Regards,
Facundo.-On 9/9/07, Andrew Hughes <ahhughes@anonymised.com> wrote:
Hey There,
First, goto the Glassfish web admin console ( http://localhost:4848/ )
Defaults login is… admin / adminadmin
Firstly, if you are windows go to next step… if you are nix based, you will need to set the java headless parameter, done EASILY on glassfish. In the web admin console look under the configurations for JVM Settings → JVM Options… and add a new parameter - Djava.awt.headless=true (apologies I can’t recall if this is in the default or server config there is no harm in doing both).
Second: From here you should find it pretty straight foward deploying the war via the admin console. Note that glassfish has one really nice feature… you could deploy a war named say Geoserver20070901.war to a specific context say /geoserver. Otherwise if you are like me you normally rename the war file, and lose the vital geoserver distro infomation.
That was all I did and it was working super smooth.
Regards,
–AH
- The java headless parameter is used to flag java to use its internal GUI/Graphics utilities, rather than the operating systems. In *nix platforms this occurs because not all users are granted access to this O/S resource. The resource required from the O/S by Geoserver are graphics related. You will find this on all EE app servers not glassfish.
p.s. for those wishing to specificy a GEOSERVER_DATA_DIR in glassfish, for persistant config you can EASILY set a JVM Option the same way as the headless option, adding the following JVM param:
-DGEOSERVER_DATA_DIR=/path-to/GEOSERVER_DATA (*nix)
-DGEOSERVER_DATA_DIR=c:/GEOSERVER_DATA (doze)On 9/9/07, Facundo Garat < facundo.garat@anonymised.com > wrote:
Hi Andrew, thanks a lot for your answer. I’m giving a try to glassfish/sjsas…
But I’m having some trouble to deploy the geoserver app…
Do you have any recomendation for me?.
thanks.
Facundo.-On 8/30/07, Andrew Hughes < ahhughes@anonymised.com> wrote:
Howdy Guys,
I have not used db2 so I can’t comment on PostGIS vs. DB2.
I can comment on the JBoss vs Tomcat vs Glassfish.
This is just my opinion, I’m sure there are others out there that will contradict mine but here you go…
For the past 4 years I have been a heavy user of Tomcat. For the most part I have found it to be a simple servlet container. It exhibits some quite annoying config, web console/admin, and deployment problems (esp PermGen). However, Tomcat starts to limit you when you are talking Enterprise level. Farmed deployment, load balancing, clustering are all either non-existant… or flakey. From this I was motivated to move to JBoss, which offers Farmed deployment, better clustering support and is not just a Servlet Container.
Aside from the fact JBoss embed’s tomcat’s servlet container and inherits its 5.5.x PermGen problems… the quirky thing with these and several other (inc commercial) app servers is that they all have their own lilttle configuration mechanisms. Datasource definitions are done defined in different locations, jndi context’s are sometimes different, logging is different… it goes on. The footprint of JBoss is huge, and so is the startup time, and the download. There seems to be many minor incremental versions that have compatibility issues too.
In the past few weeks I have switched to glassfish and all I have is good news! This is a complete EE container and I have not found any instability yet, clustering appears to be very easy, the web interface is excellent and stable (which is rare!) and would be a great way for the not so technical to work with their webapps (like geoserver). It was great to be able to add my GEOSERVER_DATA_DIR from the web admin console. I was going to post to the devel list and recommend that they try glassfish because it is equally easy to install and configure as tomcat, but will all the features the enterprise users would like. There’s been a few posts about spatial EJB/Hibernate this week…
In summary I left Tomcat because it wasn’t a rich platform and had some annoying stability issues, and I left JBoss because it’s clunky , heavy, unique config options and most of all because there is now a less painful option.
On 8/31/07, David Robison < drrobison@anonymised.com> wrote:
We use JBoss to deploy geoserver, mainly because we are deploying other applications and services along with geoserver. Using JBoss gives us one platform for deploying to.
David
From: Justin Deoliveira [mailto:jdeolive@anonymised.com]
To: Facundo Garat [mailto: facundo.garat@anonymised.com]
Cc: geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:47:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [Geoserver-users] postgis or db2Well support for both is pretty good in GeoServer, both are well
maintained but there are many more postgis users then db2 users. Also
you more often see support in other projects for postgres then db2.AS for application server its not quite as clear cut. Most GeoServer
deployments that I have seen just keep it to tomcat or jetty. I have
heard of a few folks deploying in jboss… but not much about glassfish
or geronimo.-Justin
Facundo Garat wrote:
what’s everyone opinion? postgis or db2? why?
and in java world?..
jboss? glassfish? geronimo?..
thanks,
facundo.-
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Facundo Garat Mayer
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Facundo Garat ha scritto:
Andrew, another one....
Could you make use of glassfish JDBC Connection Pool in geoserver?.
Nope. In GeoServer 1.5.x it's definitely impossible due to code
limitations, in GeoServer 1.6.x betas we have that capability code
wise but we still haven't exposed it because that would require
some changes in the UI and configuration (that would take a while
due to our poor UI and config subsystems).
Anyways, if you grab 1.6.0betas you'll at least be able to configure
pool minumum and maximum size, whilst in 1.5.x you cannot do that either.
I've scheduled an issue for this one, you can watch it and thus
be notified of when it'll be fixed:
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOS-1324
Cheers
Andrea