[Geoserver-users] W3DS community-version vs. official version

Hi 3D folks,

we want to implement a WebGIS for archeology and use GeoServer for this. For the classic 2D services, the latest official version of GeoServer is to be used.
Parallel to the use of 2D services a 3D-GIS will be developed. We already have a prototypic realization of a 3D-GIS, using the community version of GeoServer inkluding W3DS:

http://www2.htw-dresden.de/~s68071/3DWebGIS/

on top: Projektauswahl: W3DS
On right side choose: "Historische Gebäude" and left: "Alles anzeigen"

(Its PostGIS 2.x + GeoServer W3DS + X3DOM + ...)

I have some fundamental questions:
- How differ the community version, that contains the W3DS, from the "productive" version?
- Can we use this community version as a productive environment?
- There are ongoing activities for W3DS? Will continue working on it?
- How can we best organize the parallel operation of 2D and 3D GIS with GeoServer?
- Is there an active W3DS community?

Many thanks to all!
Frank

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Hi 3D folks,

we want to implement a WebGIS for archeology and use GeoServer for this.
For the classic 2D services, the latest official version of GeoServer is
to be used.
Parallel to the use of 2D services a 3D-GIS will be developed. We
already have a prototypic realization of a 3D-GIS, using the community
version of GeoServer inkluding W3DS:

http://www2.htw-dresden.de/~s68071/3DWebGIS/

on top: Projektauswahl: W3DS
On right side choose: "Historische Gebäude" and left: "Alles anzeigen"

(Its PostGIS 2.x + GeoServer W3DS + X3DOM + ...)

I have some fundamental questions:
- How differ the community version, that contains the W3DS, from the
"productive" version?
- Can we use this community version as a productive environment?
- There are ongoing activities for W3DS? Will continue working on it?
- How can we best organize the parallel operation of 2D and 3D GIS with
GeoServer?
- Is there an active W3DS community?

Many thanks to all!
Frank

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Is there really nobody dealing with 3D WebGIS?
Or is this not the right forum?

Frank

Am 09.01.2014 10:27, schrieb Frank Henze:

Hi 3D folks,

we want to implement a WebGIS for archeology and use GeoServer for this.
For the classic 2D services, the latest official version of GeoServer is
to be used.
Parallel to the use of 2D services a 3D-GIS will be developed. We
already have a prototypic realization of a 3D-GIS, using the community
version of GeoServer inkluding W3DS:

http://www2.htw-dresden.de/~s68071/3DWebGIS/

on top: Projektauswahl: W3DS
On right side choose: "Historische Gebäude" and left: "Alles anzeigen"

(Its PostGIS 2.x + GeoServer W3DS + X3DOM + ...)

I have some fundamental questions:
- How differ the community version, that contains the W3DS, from the
"productive" version?
- Can we use this community version as a productive environment?
- There are ongoing activities for W3DS? Will continue working on it?
- How can we best organize the parallel operation of 2D and 3D GIS with
GeoServer?
- Is there an active W3DS community?

Many thanks to all!
Frank

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Frank Henze <henze@anonymised.com> wrote:

Is there really nobody dealing with 3D WebGIS?
Or is this not the right forum?

Hi,
the w3ds module is a community one meaning it does not satisfy
our requirements for graduation to extension status or simply does not have
an active
maintainer that wants to go though the graduation process.

I'm cc'ing the developer of the module, Nuno, who hopefully will provide
more information.

But no, at the moment there is no "production" version of the W3DS module.
Anybody is welcomed to contribute to the module to improve it and bring it
there
though (or provide funds for developers to do so).

Cheers
Andrea

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Hi,

Sorry I haven't see your first mail:

*- How differ the community version, that contains the W3DS, from the
"productive" version?*

Unfortunately it doesn't exists a productive version of W3DS this is why it still a
community module of Geoserver. Although some people are using it and extend it with new features
one of the last ones are the guys fromCyberlightning <https://github.com/Cyberlightning/geoserver&gt; (https://github.com/Cyberlightning/geoserver\). <https://github.com/Cyberlightning/geoserver&gt;
  *- Can we use this community version as a productive environment?

*As a software engineer the short answer is no. Although it remains a much better alternative that must of
the custom solutions I have see.* *W3DS inherits some great engineering from Geoserver but is core business
still a prototype (test coverage, programming quality, bad architecture, specification implementation, documentation, etc ...)
  * *
*- There are ongoing activities for W3DS? Will continue working on it?*

Related to the original Geoserver W3DS community module team I think I am the only guy that still around and unfortunately
since I quit the university I don't have so much time to dedicate to this.

W3DS needs a lot of other tools to prepare the data, 3D clients, etc ... Must of the questions people ask about W3DS are not really
problems of W3DS. A typical example is: how does W3DS can serve 3D terrains ? The really question should be: I have a digital elevation
model (for example in a tif format) how do I generate a 3D tiled model and put it on postgres/postgis database to be served by W3DS GetTile
or GetScene operation ?

Currently I dedicate must of my free time to work on some of that issues (following OL3 integration with CESIUM, developing an extension
do GDAL\OGR based on CGAL to deal with 3D terrains, etc ...) so the W3DS developed is not very active.
  *- How can we best organize the parallel operation of 2D and 3D GIS with GeoServer?*

Hummm ... it depends of your use case.

*- Is there an active W3DS community?*

3D GIS community (in general) write a lots of papers about 3D gis stack etc ... but that stacks are
not suitable for most of the real use cases (i.e. production environments), beside we don't have great
software to deal it 3D GIS. If a W3DS community exists I don't know it.

Best regards,

Nuno Oliveira

On 01/14/2014 10:03 AM, Frank Henze wrote:

Is there really nobody dealing with 3D WebGIS?
Or is this not the right forum?

Frank

Am 09.01.2014 10:27, schrieb Frank Henze:

Hi 3D folks,

we want to implement a WebGIS for archeology and use GeoServer for this.
For the classic 2D services, the latest official version of GeoServer is
to be used.
Parallel to the use of 2D services a 3D-GIS will be developed. We
already have a prototypic realization of a 3D-GIS, using the community
version of GeoServer inkluding W3DS:

http://www2.htw-dresden.de/~s68071/3DWebGIS/

on top: Projektauswahl: W3DS
On right side choose: "Historische Gebäude" and left: "Alles anzeigen"

(Its PostGIS 2.x + GeoServer W3DS + X3DOM + ...)

I have some fundamental questions:
- How differ the community version, that contains the W3DS, from the
"productive" version?
- Can we use this community version as a productive environment?
- There are ongoing activities for W3DS? Will continue working on it?
- How can we best organize the parallel operation of 2D and 3D GIS with
GeoServer?
- Is there an active W3DS community?

Many thanks to all!
Frank

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