[Gfoss] [geo-discuss] What to expect from the next INSPIRE implementing rules

Piergiorgio_Cipriano · July 11, 2007, 8:56am

[Scusate cross-posting]

Ecco un aggiornamento molto molto interessante su previsioni INSPIRE.

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From: Jo Walsh <jo@frot.org>
Date: Jul 10, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: [geo-discuss] What to expect from the next INSPIRE implementing rules
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dear all,

Last week I got to attend the EC-GIS workshop in Porto, at which many
of the sessions dealt directly with INSPIRE. There was some reportback
on the progress of the next sets of Implementing Rules which will come
out for public consultation - Network Services, and Data Specification

Network Services

As it stands, the draft Rules will mandate SOAP, WSDL and UDDI for
online transfer of geodata. This means WMS, WFS, WCS, CSW, et al, will
all have to be retrofitted - not only in implementation, but also in
specification - to provide a SOAP interface. Without it, if this draft
stays the same, a system will not be INSPIRE compliant. Oh, and
ISO19119 for service description metadata may be mandated too.

W*S “have to be Web Services as defined by the W3C” as SOAP, in 2004.
http://www.myspotter.com/soap_rest.shtml
I look forward to hearing a much fuller set of rationales
as to why this decision was taken.

The JRC will undertake implementation-stresstesting
of whatever is recommended, and if it works well or
better than the REST-ful interfaces now common in use,
OGC standards improved where necessary to document
their alternative SOAP interfaces.

Data Specification

The DT is not yet producing implementing rules on
data specification. The work is coming in 2 phases:
one of “methodology” and the other of “data models”.
Up to this point they have produced as phase 1 a
documented “process of creating harmonised data
specifications” and this will be published for
consultation among SDICs/LMOs in August.

This exists in order to give it to the Spatial
Data Theme Communities who will actually be responsible
for describing data models for each of the 40 themes
in the INSPIRE Annexes I-III.

These data models will be legally binding for all
public authorities publishing geodata in Europe.

INSPIRE went on the statute books on May 15th and
from that date there is 2 years to implement the Directive
eg to do what the Implementing Rules say you should do
and also to transpose the Directive into national law.

INSPIRE is a legal framework, its technological dictates
are accidents of legal ones. The “Implementing Rules” exist
so that we can have a gauge for INSPIRE compliance.

Metadata

This committee took an approach of finding a minimal abstract model -
imposing no format and lookign ahead to “future distributed computing
platforms”. It was mentioned that amongst the commentary they received
was a desire to know what was informative and what normative.
They got 500 distinct comments through the SDIC/LMO process.

I would like to see more of all of this process open in earlier stages.

jo

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giohappy · July 11, 2007, 9:06am

Più che un aggiornamento un terremoto! Si sta dicendo che i servizi
che non implementino *anche* un'interfaccia SOAP non saranno Inspire
compliant... C'era da aspettarselo, ma a cascata dovranno rimettere
mano anche a OGC, ecc.
Mah, mi sembra un gran baraccone...

2007/7/11, Piergiorgio Cipriano <pg.cipriano@gmail.com>:

[Scusate cross-posting]

Ecco un aggiornamento molto molto interessante su previsioni INSPIRE.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jo Walsh <jo@frot.org>
Date: Jul 10, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: [geo-discuss] What to expect from the next INSPIRE implementing
rules
To: geo-discuss@lists.okfn.org
Cc: pedro.goncalves@terradue.com

dear all,

Last week I got to attend the EC-GIS workshop in Porto, at which many
of the sessions dealt directly with INSPIRE. There was some reportback
on the progress of the next sets of Implementing Rules which will come
out for public consultation - Network Services, and Data Specification

Network Services
----------------

As it stands, the draft Rules will *mandate SOAP, WSDL and UDDI* for
online transfer of geodata. This means WMS, WFS, WCS, CSW, et al, will
all have to be retrofitted - not only in implementation, but also in
specification - to provide a SOAP interface. Without it, if this draft
stays the same, a system will not be INSPIRE compliant. Oh, and
ISO19119 for service description metadata may be mandated too.

W*S "have to be Web Services as defined by the W3C" as SOAP, in 2004.
http://www.myspotter.com/soap_rest.shtml
I look forward to hearing a much fuller set of rationales
as to why this decision was taken.

The JRC will undertake implementation-stresstesting
of whatever is recommended, and if it works well or
better than the REST-ful interfaces now common in use,
OGC standards improved where necessary to document
their alternative SOAP interfaces.

Data Specification
------------------

The DT is not yet producing implementing rules on
data specification. The work is coming in 2 phases:
one of "methodology" and the other of "data models".
Up to this point they have produced as phase 1 a
documented "process of creating harmonised data
specifications" and this will be published for
consultation among SDICs/LMOs in August.

This exists in order to give it to the Spatial
Data Theme Communities who will actually be responsible
for describing data models for each of the 40 themes
in the INSPIRE Annexes I-III.

These data models will be legally binding for all
public authorities publishing geodata in Europe.

INSPIRE went on the statute books on May 15th and
from that date there is 2 years to implement the Directive
eg to do what the Implementing Rules say you should do
and also to transpose the Directive into national law.

INSPIRE is a legal framework, its technological dictates
are accidents of legal ones. The "Implementing Rules" exist
so that we can have a gauge for INSPIRE compliance.

Metadata
--------

This committee took an approach of finding a minimal abstract model -
imposing no format and lookign ahead to "future distributed computing
platforms". It was mentioned that amongst the commentary they received
was a desire to know what was informative and what normative.
They got 500 *distinct* comments through the SDIC/LMO process.

I would like to see more of all of this process open in earlier stages.

jo
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Piergiorgio_Cipriano · July 12, 2007, 11:01am

Verissimo,
ma nel doc di Transposition Phase del WP INSPIRE è prevista una catena di “momenti” di consultazione.
Il Planner (pag. 37) prevede che le varie bozze di Implementing Rules (ci saranno 3 versioni di bozze, prima dell’approvazione finale) possano essere commentate prima dalle sole SDIC o LMO registrate (NB: le comunità interessate possono registrarsi in qualsiasi momento) e successivamente da tutti (public consultation).

Questo significa che ci sono i modi ed i termini per fare tutti i commenti e le osservazioni che si vuole.
Sui servizi si parte subito: le prossime tappe, a grandi linee sono (le date potranno subire variazioni, … anzi su alcuni item sono già in ritardo):

consultazione SDIC/LMO su draft1 IR “Discovery and View Services” (giugno-settembre 2007)
call per SDIC/LMO per la presentazione di specifiche dati per i temi dell’Annex I (giugno-settembre 2007)
call per SDIC/LMO per la presentazione di specifiche dati per i temi degli Annex II e III (giugno-??? 2007)
call per SDIC/LMO per la partecipazione alla definizione delle specifiche dati dei vari temi (giugno-settembre 2007)
User requirements survey (giugno-settembre 2007)
consultazione pubblica sul draft2 IR “Metadata” (giugno-agosto 2007)
consultazione SDIC/LMO su draft1 IR “Methodology for Specification development” (luglio-ottobre 2007)
consultazione SDIC/LMO su draft1 IR “Monitoring and Reporting” (ottobre-dicembre 2007)
consultazione SDIC/LMO su draft1 IR “Coordinates Transformation Services” (dicembre 2007 - marzo 2008)
consultazione SDIC/LMO su draft1 IR “Download Services” (dicembre 2007 - marzo 2008)
consultazione SDIC/LMO su draft1 IR “Data Exchange” (dicembre 2007 - marzo 2008)
consultazione SDIC/LMO su draft IR in generale (??? non ho capito …) (maggio-luglio 2008)
consultazione SDIC/LMO su draft1 IR “Harmonised data specification for Annex I data theme X” (novembre 2008 - gennaio 2009)
…

In mezzo ci saranno altre tappe (formali):

redazione draft2 delle IR alla consultazione Inter-Service (servizi della Commissione Europea) per raccogliere loro feedback
redazione delle final draft, che verranno inviate al regulatory committee (*)
regulatory process (procedura prevista dal Consiglio): senza scrutinio per Metadati e Monitoring&Reportin, con scrutinio per il resto
adozione da parte delle Commissione Europea (a partire da maggio 2008)

Da qui in poi (2009 in avanti) le IR devono essere “tradotte” in azioni, strumenti, norme, etc a livello nazionale. Gli Stati membri, inoltre, dovranno monitorare e produrre report triennali sull’implementazione di INSPIRE nei loro contesti.

(*) The regulatory nature of the Implementing Rules requires the Commission to present them to a Regulatory Committee of Member States representatives, referred to as the INSPIRE Committee, which will officially start its activities at the beginning of the Transposition Phase

pg

On 7/11/07, G. Allegri < giohappy@gmail.com > wrote:

Più che un aggiornamento un terremoto! Si sta dicendo che i servizi
che non implementino anche un’interfaccia SOAP non saranno Inspire
compliant… C’era da aspettarselo, ma a cascata dovranno rimettere
mano anche a OGC, ecc.
Mah, mi sembra un gran baraccone…

2007/7/11, Piergiorgio Cipriano < pg.cipriano@gmail.com>:

[Scusate cross-posting]

Ecco un aggiornamento molto molto interessante su previsioni INSPIRE.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jo Walsh <jo@frot.org>
Date: Jul 10, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: [geo-discuss] What to expect from the next INSPIRE implementing
rules
To: geo-discuss@lists.okfn.org
Cc: pedro.goncalves@terradue.com

dear all,

Last week I got to attend the EC-GIS workshop in Porto, at which many
of the sessions dealt directly with INSPIRE. There was some reportback
on the progress of the next sets of Implementing Rules which will come
out for public consultation - Network Services, and Data Specification

Network Services

As it stands, the draft Rules will mandate SOAP, WSDL and UDDI for
online transfer of geodata. This means WMS, WFS, WCS, CSW, et al, will
all have to be retrofitted - not only in implementation, but also in
specification - to provide a SOAP interface. Without it, if this draft
stays the same, a system will not be INSPIRE compliant. Oh, and
ISO19119 for service description metadata may be mandated too.

W*S “have to be Web Services as defined by the W3C” as SOAP, in 2004.
http://www.myspotter.com/soap_rest.shtml
I look forward to hearing a much fuller set of rationales
as to why this decision was taken.

The JRC will undertake implementation-stresstesting
of whatever is recommended, and if it works well or
better than the REST-ful interfaces now common in use,
OGC standards improved where necessary to document
their alternative SOAP interfaces.

Data Specification

The DT is not yet producing implementing rules on
data specification. The work is coming in 2 phases:
one of “methodology” and the other of “data models”.
Up to this point they have produced as phase 1 a
documented “process of creating harmonised data
specifications” and this will be published for
consultation among SDICs/LMOs in August.

This exists in order to give it to the Spatial
Data Theme Communities who will actually be responsible
for describing data models for each of the 40 themes
in the INSPIRE Annexes I-III.

These data models will be legally binding for all
public authorities publishing geodata in Europe.

INSPIRE went on the statute books on May 15th and
from that date there is 2 years to implement the Directive
eg to do what the Implementing Rules say you should do
and also to transpose the Directive into national law.

INSPIRE is a legal framework, its technological dictates
are accidents of legal ones. The “Implementing Rules” exist
so that we can have a gauge for INSPIRE compliance.

Metadata

This committee took an approach of finding a minimal abstract model -
imposing no format and lookign ahead to “future distributed computing
platforms”. It was mentioned that amongst the commentary they received
was a desire to know what was informative and what normative.
They got 500 distinct comments through the SDIC/LMO process.

I would like to see more of all of this process open in earlier stages.

jo

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ominiverdi · July 12, 2007, 11:35am

Più che un aggiornamento un terremoto! Si sta dicendo che i servizi
che non implementino *anche* un'interfaccia SOAP non saranno Inspire
compliant... C'era da aspettarselo, ma a cascata dovranno rimettere
mano anche a OGC, ecc.

direi che era l'ora
se si vuole vedere crescere l'uso degli OWS, SOAP è una tappa importante.

giohappy · July 18, 2007, 11:38pm

Ho avuto un attimo per aggiornarmi su INSPIRE, e ho trovato la
presentazione di Porto da cui è partito questo thread su SOAP:
http://inspire.jrc.it/reports/13ecgigis/4_inspire_progress_serrano_3.pdf
Chiarificante...
Per adesso comunque non è ancora visionabile l?IR a cui si riferisce,
o sbaglio? Aspettano il momento che sia in consultazione pubblica
(ovvero v.3)?

Giovanni

Il 12/07/07, Lorenzo Becchi<lorenzo@ominiverdi.com> ha scritto:

> Più che un aggiornamento un terremoto! Si sta dicendo che i servizi
> che non implementino *anche* un'interfaccia SOAP non saranno Inspire
> compliant... C'era da aspettarselo, ma a cascata dovranno rimettere
> mano anche a OGC, ecc.

direi che era l'ora
se si vuole vedere crescere l'uso degli OWS, SOAP è una tappa importante.

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Piergiorgio_Cipriano · July 19, 2007, 11:01am

Ottimo Giovanni!
Corretto, la bozza di IR su “Network Service” non è ancora disponibile (nonostante fosse previsto che per discovery e view services le SDIC/LMO fossero coinvolte per le osservazioni tra giugno e settembre 2007).
Se interessa: nel DT (a supporto) c’è Corrado Iannucci; potrebbe essere utile contattarlo ??

Ne approfitto: ho aggiornato in home su FGI e nei doc di sintesi la data di entrata in vigore della Direttiva (grazie Emanuela !!): 15 maggio 2007, non il 25 aprile.
Mea culpa.

pg

On 7/19/07, G. Allegri <giohappy@gmail.com> wrote:

Ho avuto un attimo per aggiornarmi su INSPIRE, e ho trovato la
presentazione di Porto da cui è partito questo thread su SOAP:
http://inspire.jrc.it/reports/13ecgigis/4_inspire_progress_serrano_3.pdf
Chiarificante…
Per adesso comunque non è ancora visionabile l?IR a cui si riferisce,
o sbaglio? Aspettano il momento che sia in consultazione pubblica
(ovvero v.3)?

Giovanni

Il 12/07/07, Lorenzo Becchi< lorenzo@ominiverdi.com> ha scritto:

Più che un aggiornamento un terremoto! Si sta dicendo che i servizi
che non implementino anche un’interfaccia SOAP non saranno Inspire
compliant… C’era da aspettarselo, ma a cascata dovranno rimettere
mano anche a OGC, ecc.

direi che era l’ora
se si vuole vedere crescere l’uso degli OWS, SOAP è una tappa importante.

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