Hi everyone,
At the code sprint in Bonn we (including virtually with Helena, Anna
and Vaclav) discussed about possibilities of making the GRASS GIS
startup more newbie friendly. This raises several issues concerning
what we should do concerning possible default startup location, default
GISDBASE, etc.
I started a wiki page to collect ideas and reflections:
https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/New_Startup
Please contribute your reflections, mockups, critiques, etc.
Moritz
Le Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:23:14 +0100,
Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be> a écrit :
Hi everyone,
At the code sprint in Bonn we (including virtually with Helena, Anna
and Vaclav) discussed about possibilities of making the GRASS GIS
startup more newbie friendly. This raises several issues concerning
what we should do concerning possible default startup location,
default GISDBASE, etc.I started a wiki page to collect ideas and reflections:
For better wiki structure, the page was renamed to:
https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup
Moritz
Hi Moritz,
Looks nice.
The "Open into a predefined lat-long location but give information message" option seems less involved than the first. Thus if "simplification" is the aim, I would probably continue in that direction. Having lots of choices already at the first startup-screen is probably counter-productive.
An example location can be helpful for new users to get the concept in any case. And I would suggest to start the predefined lat-lon location in a mapset other than PERMANENT...
However, the placement of the GISDBASE directory is also an important choice, that is not covert by the current mockups. So, maybe a more wizard like approach might be worth a thought? Right after choosing the GISDBASE dir, there can then be a "let me explore in sample project" button (together with the other main buttons from the first alternative maybe).
In any case, I would also consider a "don`t show this message again" checkbox together with a grassrc setting...
And users should be informed in advance before additional data is downloaded.
Cheers
Stefan
P.S.: A less relevant side note: Personally I rather translate mapsets with "projects" (but that is not very accurate either)...
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Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] Brainstorm about new GRASS GIS startup
Le Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:23:14 +0100,
Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be> a écrit :
Hi everyone,
At the code sprint in Bonn we (including virtually with Helena, Anna
and Vaclav) discussed about possibilities of making the GRASS GIS
startup more newbie friendly. This raises several issues concerning
what we should do concerning possible default startup location,
default GISDBASE, etc.I started a wiki page to collect ideas and reflections:
For better wiki structure, the page was renamed to:
https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup
Moritz
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Le Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:34:58 +0000,
Stefan Blumentrath <Stefan.Blumentrath@nina.no> a écrit :
Hi Moritz,
Looks nice.
The "Open into a predefined lat-long location but give information
message" option seems less involved than the first. Thus if
"simplification" is the aim, I would probably continue in that
direction. Having lots of choices already at the first startup-screen
is probably counter-productive.
Some even dream of a one-button system...
An example location can be helpful for new users to get the concept
in any case. And I would suggest to start the predefined lat-lon
location in a mapset other than PERMANENT...
We discussed this today. I personally agree that using something else
than PERMANENT is good practice, but at the argument was that this is
probably not really relevant for first time users and that using
mapsets is actually already an advanced usage of GRASS.
However, the placement of the GISDBASE directory is also an important
choice, that is not covert by the current mockups. So, maybe a more
wizard like approach might be worth a thought? Right after choosing
the GISDBASE dir, there can then be a "let me explore in sample
project" button (together with the other main buttons from the first
alternative maybe).
Again, we discussed this today. One suggestion was even to
automagically create a hidden GISDBASE directory and just create the
first location there. Again, does a new user really have to worry about
the location of the GISDBASE ?
In any case, I would also consider a "don`t show this message again"
checkbox together with a grassrc setting...
Agreed. The idea also obviously is that power user can still start
GRASS in the classical CLI way by directly giving the path to the
desired mapset.
And users should be informed in advance before additional data is
downloaded.
Agreed.
P.S.: A less relevant side note: Personally I rather translate
mapsets with "projects" (but that is not very accurate either)...
We all have our own personal uses of GISDBASES, locations and mapsets.
The general idea was to actual keep all of that out of the newbie
user's sight at first contact and to introduce it slowly afterwards
(but the how of this introduction still needs to be discussed).
Thanks for your feedback !
See you tomorrow,
Moritz
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Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] Brainstorm about new GRASS GIS startupLe Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:23:14 +0100,
Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be> a écrit :> Hi everyone,
>
> At the code sprint in Bonn we (including virtually with Helena,
> Anna and Vaclav) discussed about possibilities of making the GRASS
> GIS startup more newbie friendly. This raises several issues
> concerning what we should do concerning possible default startup
> location, default GISDBASE, etc.
>
> I started a wiki page to collect ideas and reflections:
>
> https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/New_StartupFor better wiki structure, the page was renamed to:
https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup
Moritz
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(time to revive this discussion)
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:33 AM, Moritz Lennert
<mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:
Le Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:34:58 +0000,
Stefan Blumentrath <Stefan.Blumentrath@nina.no> a écrit :Hi Moritz,
Looks nice.
The "Open into a predefined lat-long location but give information
message" option seems less involved than the first. Thus if
"simplification" is the aim, I would probably continue in that
direction. Having lots of choices already at the first startup-screen
is probably counter-productive.Some even dream of a one-button system...
Three buttons at most:
in - out - help
An example location can be helpful for new users to get the concept
in any case. And I would suggest to start the predefined lat-lon
location in a mapset other than PERMANENT...We discussed this today. I personally agree that using something else
than PERMANENT is good practice, but at the argument was that this is
probably not really relevant for first time users and that using
mapsets is actually already an advanced usage of GRASS.However, the placement of the GISDBASE directory is also an important
choice, that is not covert by the current mockups. So, maybe a more
wizard like approach might be worth a thought? Right after choosing
the GISDBASE dir, there can then be a "let me explore in sample
project" button (together with the other main buttons from the first
alternative maybe).Again, we discussed this today. One suggestion was even to
automagically create a hidden GISDBASE directory and just create the
first location there. Again, does a new user really have to worry about
the location of the GISDBASE ?
+1
In any case, I would also consider a "don`t show this message again"
checkbox together with a grassrc setting...
This would be nice.
[...]
For better wiki structure, the page was renamed to:
https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup
best,
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