Hello Jachym,
I just learned last night that the computers I will use for a training course on FOSS-GIS are running Hardy Heron and Gutsy Gibbon as I was told before. Are you planning to update your packages to Hardy Heron in a very near future ? Does someone else have packages of GRASS + QGIS + Dependencies for that platform ?
Moritz
Moritz Lennert wrote:
I just learned last night that the computers I will use for a training
course on FOSS-GIS are running Hardy Heron and Gutsy Gibbon as I was
told before. Are you planning to update your packages to Hardy Heron in
a very near future ? Does someone else have packages of GRASS + QGIS +
Dependencies for that platform ?
maybe try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS
or packages for an older version of Ubuntu might still work if the
library and package names haven't changed (?).
Hamish
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HI Moritz,
Moritz Lennert píše v Út 22. 04. 2008 v 10:03 +0200:
Hello Jachym,
I just learned last night that the computers I will use for a training
course on FOSS-GIS are running Hardy Heron and Gutsy Gibbon as I was
told before.
Are you planning to update your packages to Hardy Heron in
a very near future ?
Depends on the definition of "near". It will probably take me another
month: I have tons of work now and I would like to try out amd64
version.
Does someone else have packages of GRASS + QGIS +
Dependencies for that platform ?
Afaik no 
Moritz
Sorry,
Jachym
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What is involved in creating a package? I'll be updating to Heron sometime within
the next week. All my proj/gdal/python stuff is up-to-date. Is it just a matter of
creating 'make bindist', and placing the tarfile on an ftp site?
~ Eric.
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HI Moritz,
Moritz Lennert píse v Út 22. 04. 2008 v 10:03 +0200:
Hello Jachym,
I just learned last night that the computers I will use for a training
course on FOSS-GIS are running Hardy Heron and Gutsy Gibbon as I was
told before.
Are you planning to update your packages to Hardy Heron in
a very near future ?
Depends on the definition of "near". It will probably take me another
month: I have tons of work now and I would like to try out amd64
version.
Does someone else have packages of GRASS + QGIS +
Dependencies for that platform ?
Afaik no
Moritz
Sorry,
Jachym
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Eric,
to create the .deb files you can use checkinstall. In the end of the
compiling process, instead of "make install" you do a "checkinstall"
and create the deb file (or rpm, or other).
cheers
Carlos
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Patton, Eric <epatton@nrcan.gc.ca> wrote:
What is involved in creating a package? I'll be updating to Heron sometime within
the next week. All my proj/gdal/python stuff is up-to-date. Is it just a matter of
creating 'make bindist', and placing the tarfile on an ftp site?~ Eric.
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Moritz Lennert píse v Út 22. 04. 2008 v 10:03 +0200:
> Hello Jachym,
>
> I just learned last night that the computers I will use for a training
> course on FOSS-GIS are running Hardy Heron and Gutsy Gibbon as I was
> told before.> Are you planning to update your packages to Hardy Heron in
> a very near future ?Depends on the definition of "near". It will probably take me another
month: I have tons of work now and I would like to try out amd64
version.> Does someone else have packages of GRASS + QGIS +
> Dependencies for that platform ?Afaik no
>
> MoritzSorry,
Jachym
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Hi,
Depends on the definition of "near". It will probably take me another
month: I have tons of work now and I would like to try out amd64
version.
J
Hamish píše v Út 22. 04. 2008 v 01:34 -0700:
Moritz Lennert wrote:
> I just learned last night that the computers I will use for a training
> course on FOSS-GIS are running Hardy Heron and Gutsy Gibbon as I was
> told before. Are you planning to update your packages to Hardy Heron in
> a very near future ? Does someone else have packages of GRASS + QGIS +
> Dependencies for that platform ?maybe try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS
or packages for an older version of Ubuntu might still work if the
library and package names haven't changed (?).Hamish
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On Wed, April 23, 2008 15:51, Patton, Eric wrote:
What is involved in creating a package? I'll be updating to Heron sometime
within
the next week. All my proj/gdal/python stuff is up-to-date. Is it just a
matter of
creating 'make bindist', and placing the tarfile on an ftp site?
No we are speaking about creating a .deb package, so make bindist is not
appropriate. It is dpkg-buildpackage with a proper grasssrcdir/debian
subdirectory. This should mostly be identical to the one in the Debian GIS
repository, and maybe to those in Jachym's Gutsy package. I'll see whether
I find the time tomorrow evening to work on that.
Moritz
On 23/04/08 16:13, Carlos "Guâno" Grohmann wrote:
Eric,
to create the .deb files you can use checkinstall. In the end of the
compiling process, instead of "make install" you do a "checkinstall"
and create the deb file (or rpm, or other).
Yes, that is an intermediate solution, but I'd rather see real .deb packages, i.e. with all the debian-related patches included in terms of paths and other issues.
It shouldn't be too hard since everything exists in the DebianGIS repository, it just takes a bit of time to do it...and I haven't found the time, yet.
Moritz
cheers
Carlos
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Patton, Eric <epatton@nrcan.gc.ca> wrote:
What is involved in creating a package? I'll be updating to Heron sometime within
the next week. All my proj/gdal/python stuff is up-to-date. Is it just a matter of
creating 'make bindist', and placing the tarfile on an ftp site?~ Eric.
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Subject: [GRASS-dev] Re: GRASS et al packages for Hardy Heron ?HI Moritz,
Moritz Lennert píse v Út 22. 04. 2008 v 10:03 +0200:
Hello Jachym,
>
> I just learned last night that the computers I will use for a training
> course on FOSS-GIS are running Hardy Heron and Gutsy Gibbon as I was
> told before.> Are you planning to update your packages to Hardy Heron in
> a very near future ?Depends on the definition of "near". It will probably take me another
month: I have tons of work now and I would like to try out amd64
version.> Does someone else have packages of GRASS + QGIS +
> Dependencies for that platform ?Afaik no
>
> MoritzSorry,
Jachym
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I have finally found the time to create .deb packages of 6.3.0 for Ubuntu Hardy Heron.
They are available at
http://geog-pc40.ulb.ac.be/grass/ubuntu/6.3.0/
Jachym, feel free to put them on your server if this is useful.
Moritz
On 25/04/08 20:54, Moritz Lennert wrote:
On 23/04/08 16:13, Carlos "Guâno" Grohmann wrote:
Eric,
to create the .deb files you can use checkinstall. In the end of the
compiling process, instead of "make install" you do a "checkinstall"
and create the deb file (or rpm, or other).Yes, that is an intermediate solution, but I'd rather see real .deb packages, i.e. with all the debian-related patches included in terms of paths and other issues.
It shouldn't be too hard since everything exists in the DebianGIS repository, it just takes a bit of time to do it...and I haven't found the time, yet.
Moritz
cheers
Carlos
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Patton, Eric <epatton@nrcan.gc.ca> wrote:
What is involved in creating a package? I'll be updating to Heron sometime within
the next week. All my proj/gdal/python stuff is up-to-date. Is it just a matter of
creating 'make bindist', and placing the tarfile on an ftp site?~ Eric.
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Subject: [GRASS-dev] Re: GRASS et al packages for Hardy Heron ?HI Moritz,
Moritz Lennert píse v Út 22. 04. 2008 v 10:03 +0200:
Hello Jachym,
>
> I just learned last night that the computers I will use for a training
> course on FOSS-GIS are running Hardy Heron and Gutsy Gibbon as I was
> told before.> Are you planning to update your packages to Hardy Heron in
> a very near future ?Depends on the definition of "near". It will probably take me another
month: I have tons of work now and I would like to try out amd64
version.> Does someone else have packages of GRASS + QGIS +
> Dependencies for that platform ?Afaik no
>
> MoritzSorry,
Jachym
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On 09/05/08 14:52, Ulrich Leopold wrote:
Hi Moritz,
can you post a script like information on how you did develop the deb
packages. Cos then we can also provide in the near future (within the
next 2 months) some compiled amd64 versions for Ubuntu 8.04.
- apt-get build-dep grass (to install build dependencies)
- Get grass_6.3.0.tar.gz from http://geog-pc40.ulb.ac.be/grass/ubuntu/6.3.0/ and unpack it.
- cd into the directory
- run 'fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage' (install fakeroot and dpkg-dev if needed)
- if you get a message about still missing build dependencies
- install them (or change the file debian/control if you would like to change these dependencies)
- rerun 'fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage'
- if everything goes as it should, you should have the three .deb packages in ../
Moritz
Thanks,
UlrichOn Thu, 2008-05-08 at 19:49 +0200, Moritz Lennert wrote:
I have finally found the time to create .deb packages of 6.3.0 for Ubuntu Hardy Heron.
They are available at
http://geog-pc40.ulb.ac.be/grass/ubuntu/6.3.0/Jachym, feel free to put them on your server if this is useful.
Moritz
On 25/04/08 20:54, Moritz Lennert wrote:
On 23/04/08 16:13, Carlos "Guâno" Grohmann wrote:
Eric,
to create the .deb files you can use checkinstall. In the end of the
compiling process, instead of "make install" you do a "checkinstall"
and create the deb file (or rpm, or other).Yes, that is an intermediate solution, but I'd rather see real .deb packages, i.e. with all the debian-related patches included in terms of paths and other issues.
It shouldn't be too hard since everything exists in the DebianGIS repository, it just takes a bit of time to do it...and I haven't found the time, yet.
Moritz
cheers
Carlos
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Patton, Eric <epatton@nrcan.gc.ca> wrote:
What is involved in creating a package? I'll be updating to Heron sometime within
the next week. All my proj/gdal/python stuff is up-to-date. Is it just a matter of
creating 'make bindist', and placing the tarfile on an ftp site?~ Eric.
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Subject: [GRASS-dev] Re: GRASS et al packages for Hardy Heron ?HI Moritz,
Moritz Lennert píse v Út 22. 04. 2008 v 10:03 +0200:
Hello Jachym,
>
> I just learned last night that the computers I will use for a training
> course on FOSS-GIS are running Hardy Heron and Gutsy Gibbon as I was
> told before.> Are you planning to update your packages to Hardy Heron in
> a very near future ?Depends on the definition of "near". It will probably take me another
month: I have tons of work now and I would like to try out amd64
version.> Does someone else have packages of GRASS + QGIS +
> Dependencies for that platform ?Afaik no
>
> MoritzSorry,
Jachym
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Moritz,
are you communicating with the debianGIS packaging team?
From reading the message below I was not sure what goes into the package -
it looks like GRASS6.2 and maybe GRASS6.3?
It would be a pitty if it had only GRASS6.2 (does anybody on this list even
remember how GRASS6.2 looks like?) because GRASS6.3 is so much better.
Is there any way that we can make sure that GRASS6.3 gets into the package?
Also along the same line - would it be appropriate to encourage people to
download GRASS6.3 maybe by adding the following to the header of
the downloads table:
GRASS6.2.3 (...), please try GRASS6.3 technology preview - it is stable and much better
As it is presented now, getting GRASS6.3 is sort of discouraging
Helena
On May 8, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Moritz Lennert wrote:
I have finally found the time to create .deb packages of 6.3.0 for Ubuntu Hardy Heron.
They are available at
http://geog-pc40.ulb.ac.be/grass/ubuntu/6.3.0/Jachym, feel free to put them on your server if this is useful.
Moritz
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From: Francesco P. Lovergine <frankie@debian.org>
To: pkg-grass-general@lists.alioth.debian.org
Subject: [DebianGIS] Freezing is not so far in the future, aka Where 1.0
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:45:19 +0200
Hi all
This message is a very informal and incomplete report about
our Status of the Map.
I would remind that package freezing is roughly expected in mid July.
People is warmly invited to think ASAP what upstream versions should go into
Lenny. Two months are not a so long time in the future and please
consider that our packages have a not so large user base for testing.
Many packages also have a quite long dependencies chain which could
slow down britney job. So be very careful and defensive in uploading
new versions.
There will be the possibility of uploading GDAL 1.5.2 (probably), hdf5 1.6.7 and
hdf4 4.2r1 for lenny. IMHO grass is already frozen (but for a probable
6.3.0 preview version to be uploaded in parallel with the stable
release). It would be nice to know if we have already to consider
frozen PostGis and Mapserver, but for some minor adjustment.
If people had to point patches for known upstream issues it would
be great.
A big lack is Qgis which requires more love of what I'm
able to dedicate. Some volunteers headed to manage it better
for a 0.10.0 release, but it's still missing. About that, consider
that the ftpmasters' job will be specifically accurate, so
a damn good job need to be done to solve its main issues.
I worked a bit on uDig and gvSig: they both at the same time require
too much work in order to have them properly packaged (they lacks a
proper multi-user installer for instance and there are also a few
license issue to be considered), and they are also easily
installable as they are by the casual user starting from the upstream
provided installers, so probably they should not be on the top
of our todo lists.
Saga Gis is easily buildable, but I had big problems in using it
also for working with quite easy shape and geotiff files.
It seems quite far from being a mature product. I would add
that among interesting experimental stuff, as already done with Ossim
which at least starts to have a shape. But still not ready for main.
I would hope other people would summarize status of OSM-related
packages.
Finally, we are still lacking human resources. Which is not a news
for this project, but I can see the same problems in other
teams, such as the Tcl/Tk group, sigh. We are in a bit better status
than one year ago anyway. I would prefer that some folks who
anyway do some packaging efforts out there in the GIS world would
collaborate here. But hey, we are in a free world and I know
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On 25/04/08 20:54, Moritz Lennert wrote:
On 23/04/08 16:13, Carlos "Guâno" Grohmann wrote:
Eric,
to create the .deb files you can use checkinstall. In the end of the
compiling process, instead of "make install" you do a "checkinstall"
and create the deb file (or rpm, or other).Yes, that is an intermediate solution, but I'd rather see real .deb packages, i.e. with all the debian-related patches included in terms of paths and other issues.
It shouldn't be too hard since everything exists in the DebianGIS repository, it just takes a bit of time to do it...and I haven't found the time, yet.
Moritzcheers
Carlos
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Patton, Eric <epatton@nrcan.gc.ca> wrote:
What is involved in creating a package? I'll be updating to Heron sometime within
the next week. All my proj/gdal/python stuff is up-to-date. Is it just a matter of
creating 'make bindist', and placing the tarfile on an ftp site?~ Eric.
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Subject: [GRASS-dev] Re: GRASS et al packages for Hardy Heron ?HI Moritz,
Moritz Lennert píse v Út 22. 04. 2008 v 10:03 +0200:
Hello Jachym,
>
> I just learned last night that the computers I will use for a training
> course on FOSS-GIS are running Hardy Heron and Gutsy Gibbon as I was
> told before.> Are you planning to update your packages to Hardy Heron in
> a very near future ?Depends on the definition of "near". It will probably take me another
month: I have tons of work now and I would like to try out amd64
version.> Does someone else have packages of GRASS + QGIS +
> Dependencies for that platform ?Afaik no
>
> MoritzSorry,
Jachym
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Helena Mitasova ha scritto:
are you communicating with the debianGIS packaging team?
Here I am.
From reading the message below I was not sure what goes into the package -
it looks like GRASS6.2 and maybe GRASS6.3?
Correct.
It would be a pitty if it had only GRASS6.2 (does anybody on this list even
remember how GRASS6.2 looks like?) because GRASS6.3 is so much better.
Is there any way that we can make sure that GRASS6.3 gets into the package?
This is the result of calling 6.3 a technology preview: it is reasonable
to include in a *stable* distribution only *stable* software. Tech
preview are more appropriate for the "experimental" section.
I insisted with DDs, but I think their position is reasonable.
The only way I see is releasing a stable 6.4 really soon, and insist for
this to be included in lenny (next debian stable).
Hope this help; I'm ready to facilitate the process if useful.
All the best.
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On 13/05/08 20:03, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
Helena Mitasova ha scritto:
are you communicating with the debianGIS packaging team?
Here I am.
From reading the message below I was not sure what goes into the package -
it looks like GRASS6.2 and maybe GRASS6.3?Correct.
It would be a pitty if it had only GRASS6.2 (does anybody on this list even
remember how GRASS6.2 looks like?) because GRASS6.3 is so much better.
Is there any way that we can make sure that GRASS6.3 gets into the package?This is the result of calling 6.3 a technology preview: it is reasonable
to include in a *stable* distribution only *stable* software. Tech
preview are more appropriate for the "experimental" section.
I insisted with DDs, but I think their position is reasonable.
The only way I see is releasing a stable 6.4 really soon, and insist for
this to be included in lenny (next debian stable).Hope this help; I'm ready to facilitate the process if useful.
I'm willing to help as much as I can, which won't be lots until Lenny freeze since I'm extremely busy teaching my 4-month FOSS-GIS training course. So unless the freeze is pushed into September, I'd rather not promise anything.
This said: AFAICT GRASS Debian packaging is in pretty good shape, so the issue is more about what Paolo explains...
Moritz
Helena:
> It would be a pitty if it had only GRASS6.2
...
> because GRASS6.3 is so much better.
> Is there any way that we can make sure that GRASS6.3
> gets into the package?
Paolo:
I insisted with DDs, but I think their position is reasonable.
The only way I see is releasing a stable 6.4 really soon,
and insist for this to be included in lenny (next debian stable).
Francesco has expressed support for the idea of providing a parallel 6.3.0 package in the next release. Remember that Debian/Stable's focus is on well tested software which is guaranteed to work well together, not on latest releases. There is a real shyness for any ".0" release, regardless of label or reputation. It has a lot to do with maturity of the Debian packaging bits as well, and how that fits with the many dependent packages; a process which only really begins with the new release. From that perspective 6.3.0 really is a baby.
FWIW GRASS's highly conservative release model has stood it very well in this regard. Random API changes between minor point releases seem to be a common cause of breakage -> package removals, and we have been pretty good about avoiding those.
v6.2.3 was released 27 Nov 2007, it is not so old (even if the feature set does date back to 2006). Also consider the current version of Debian/Stable ships with 6.0.2! (with 6.2.2 available from backports.org)
Hamish
Moritz:
This said: AFAICT GRASS Debian packaging is in pretty good
shape,
I agree, compare it to QGIS which has just been removed!
If there are any free community resources to focus, I would hope they could help with that effort so we might get 0.10 in on time.
see http://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/ticket/1028
Hamish
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Paolo Cavallini <cavallini@faunalia.it> wrote:
Helena Mitasova ha scritto:
...
It would be a pitty if it had only GRASS6.2
...
This is the result of calling 6.3 a technology preview: it is reasonable
to include in a *stable* distribution only *stable* software. Tech
preview are more appropriate for the "experimental" section.
I insisted with DDs, but I think their position is reasonable.
The only way I see is releasing a stable 6.4 really soon, and insist for
this to be included in lenny (next debian stable).
Paolo, what means "really soon"? Any magic date besides tomorrow?
Markus