Hi devs,
I worked for the GRASS flyer [0] with the new osgeo branding, the
content is really similar to the GRASS flyer, just different layout.
Comments?
[0] https://github.com/lucadelu/osgeo/blob/grass/marketing/print/grass_a4.svg
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Luca
www.lucadelu.org
Thank you for working on the flyer, Luca. Please see my comments below.
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com> wrote:
I worked for the GRASS flyer [0] with the new osgeo branding, the
content is really similar to the GRASS flyer, just different layout.Comments?
One of the triangles at the bottom is white (the overall background is transparent). Is that an intention?
A long term endeavor: the whole paragraph shows bold for me.
Interoperability: I would remove gstat since AFAIU it is retired. There may be better candidates for that place. For example, we are successfully using GRASS with Blender (although the heavy lifting is mostly done on the Blender part thanks to Blender GIS plugin & GDAL). ParaView may be a better candidate.
G Logo: You have there logo without text with GRASS GIS next to it, so it looks like a logo. We need to be careful with that and keep the brand. I agree that we need a more horizontal logo and that we can have a logo in OSGeo colors (as an alternative). I’m attaching Vincent’s version with text but in OSGeo colors (or close to them - there was still some confusion when I was grabbing those).
OSGeo logo: It is not there, should be?
URL: Does it need to be a full URL with http://?
Vaclav
Luca,
I agree with Vasek’s comments, especially that including the logo showing that this is an OSGeo Project would be useful.
Also you can just say Development and skip the word info.
On the website and wiki we have Addons, AddOns, Add-ons and add-ons, I don’t think it matters too much but perhaps
the ones with - or O are easier to understand?
thanks a lot for working on this, Helena
Thank you for working on the flyer, Luca. Please see my comments below.
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On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com> wrote:
I worked for the GRASS flyer [0] with the new osgeo branding, the
content is really similar to the GRASS flyer, just different layout.Comments?
One of the triangles at the bottom is white (the overall background is transparent). Is that an intention?
A long term endeavor: the whole paragraph shows bold for me.
Interoperability: I would remove gstat since AFAIU it is retired. There may be better candidates for that place. For example, we are successfully using GRASS with Blender (although the heavy lifting is mostly done on the Blender part thanks to Blender GIS plugin & GDAL). ParaView may be a better candidate.
G Logo: You have there logo without text with GRASS GIS next to it, so it looks like a logo. We need to be careful with that and keep the brand. I agree that we need a more horizontal logo and that we can have a logo in OSGeo colors (as an alternative). I’m attaching Vincent’s version with text but in OSGeo colors (or close to them - there was still some confusion when I was grabbing those).
OSGeo logo: It is not there, should be?
URL: Does it need to be a full URL with http://?
Vaclav
On 25 July 2017 at 04:01, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus@gmail.com> wrote:
One of the triangles at the bottom is white (the overall background is
transparent). Is that an intention?
it seems yes, I just copied the osgeo one..
A long term endeavor: the whole paragraph shows bold for me.
also in the osgeo one, but I really don't like it, however if others
like this I can easily modified this.
Do you think all the paragraphs?
Interoperability: I would remove gstat since AFAIU it is retired. There may
be better candidates for that place. For example, we are successfully using
GRASS with Blender (although the heavy lifting is mostly done on the Blender
part thanks to Blender GIS plugin & GDAL). ParaView may be a better
candidate.
ok for gstat, I will add Blender, Paraview is already there with VTK,
maybe replace VTK with Paraview?
G Logo: You have there logo without text with GRASS GIS next to it, so it
looks like a logo. We need to be careful with that and keep the brand. I
agree that we need a more horizontal logo and that we can have a logo in
OSGeo colors (as an alternative). I'm attaching Vincent's version with text
but in OSGeo colors (or close to them - there was still some confusion when
I was grabbing those).
I don't see the logo, however with i'm going to add the logo with
GRASS GIS text in black and leave also the GRASS GIS text with OSGeo
colors
OSGeo logo: It is not there, should be?
I don't think so, because the idea is to fill the OSGeo brochure [0]
(there will be some changed also here) with the interested OSGeo
projects/initiatives for each people going to OSGeo booth
URL: Does it need to be a full URL with http://?
no, the OSGeo flyer has no, do you prefer grass.osgeo.org only?
Vaclav
[0] https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/print/brochure_a3.pdf
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Luca
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On 25 July 2017 at 04:52, Helena Mitasova <hmitaso@ncsu.edu> wrote:
Luca,
Hi Helena,
I agree with Vasek’s comments, especially that including the logo showing
that this is an OSGeo Project would be useful.
good point, I'm going to ask about this point during the next
marketing meeting (this Wednesday)
Also you can just say Development and skip the word info.
done
On the website and wiki we have Addons, AddOns, Add-ons and add-ons, I don’t
think it matters too much but perhaps
the ones with - or O are easier to understand?
I agree with you, could we decide on AddOns and use only this? If
there is consensus I will change in the wiki and website
thanks a lot for working on this, Helena
you are welcome...
--
ciao
Luca
www.lucadelu.org
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com> wrote:
On 25 July 2017 at 04:01, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus@gmail.com> wrote:
G Logo: You have there logo without text with GRASS GIS next to it, so it
looks like a logo. We need to be careful with that and keep the brand. I
agree that we need a more horizontal logo and that we can have a logo in
OSGeo colors (as an alternative). I’m attaching Vincent’s version with text
but in OSGeo colors (or close to them - there was still some confusion when
I was grabbing those).I don’t see the logo,
I’m pretty sure I attached two SVGs 15KB each (should be ok with for the mailing list, right?). Trying again.
however with i’m going to add the logo with
GRASS GIS text in black and leave also the GRASS GIS text with OSGeo
colors
Now that seems to be something which should be same across all the projects if that goes to a brochure.
Hello Luca and Vaclav,
thank you for forwarding me this thread.
[I'm not sure how pertinent is my comment on this, given I don't know
much of the OSGeo context where this flyer is meant to be published --
soory if I misunderstand]
I would just recommend (just my 2 c., not any kind of claim) to take
into account the effort we made some time ago to enhance the graphical
identity of GRASS, esp. concerning fonts, colors, usage of GRASS GIS
logo. It is probably not that easy to clearly distinguish between OSGeo
and GRASS identity clues (all is more or less green and black and
white...), but I suggest that:
* we keep using the original GRASS "green" definition on this paper, I
mean for the logo only (not titles, I understand they belong to OSGeo
guidelines), or alternatively decline the logo in greyscale;
* GRASS GIS wording (and possibly the slogan) be consistent with our
identity (esp. font).
Besides this, as you said, a horizontal version of the logo is probably
lacking. We could recycle the startup banner layout ?
Yours,
Vincent.
Le lundi 24 juillet 2017 à 22:01 -0400, Vaclav Petras a écrit :
Thank you for working on the flyer, Luca. Please see my comments
below.On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com>
wrote:
I worked for the GRASS flyer [0] with the new osgeo branding,
the
content is really similar to the GRASS flyer, just different
layout.
Comments?One of the triangles at the bottom is white (the overall background is
transparent). Is that an intention?A long term endeavor: the whole paragraph shows bold for me.
Interoperability: I would remove gstat since AFAIU it is retired.
There may be better candidates for that place. For example, we are
successfully using GRASS with Blender (although the heavy lifting is
mostly done on the Blender part thanks to Blender GIS plugin & GDAL).
ParaView may be a better candidate.G Logo: You have there logo without text with GRASS GIS next to it, so
it looks like a logo. We need to be careful with that and keep the
brand. I agree that we need a more horizontal logo and that we can
have a logo in OSGeo colors (as an alternative). I'm attaching
Vincent's version with text but in OSGeo colors (or close to them -
there was still some confusion when I was grabbing those).OSGeo logo: It is not there, should be?
URL: Does it need to be a full URL with http://?
Vaclav
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com> wrote:
On 25 July 2017 at 04:52, Helena Mitasova <hmitaso@ncsu.edu> wrote:
On the website and wiki we have Addons, AddOns, Add-ons and add-ons, I don’t
think it matters too much but perhaps
the ones with - or O are easier to understand?I agree with you, could we decide on AddOns and use only this? If
there is consensus I will change in the wiki and website
Mozilla Firefox uses add-ons. World of Warcraft uses Addons. Seems to use add-on and addon but addon seems to be the primary one. Kodi uses Add-ons, but similarly to Mozilla, uses addons in URL. React also uses add-ons, but leaves out the dash for code and URLs. Gravity Forms uses Add-Ons in text and add-ons in URL. Ninja Forms also uses Add-Ons, but has extensions in the URL.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/about
https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow
http://mcpedl.com/category/mods/addons/
https://kodi.tv/addons
https://facebook.github.io/react/docs/addons.html
http://www.gravityforms.com/add-ons/
https://ninjaforms.com/extensions/
Wikipedia prefers plug-in and add-on, but e.g. QGIS and Mozilla Firefox uses plugins. I would say that plugin corresponds to addon. Mozilla divides add-ons into extensions, themes, and plugins (plugins being phased out). Addon is also a Hebrew name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_(computing)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Add-on_(Mozilla)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addon
GRASS GIS also uses extension in g.extension. Plugin seems to be appropriate to me in GRASS GIS for GUI where the g.gui.* module names are captured in Console and opened as window of the GUI as opposed to starting a subprocess.
On 25/07/17 00:55, Luca Delucchi wrote:
Hi devs,
I worked for the GRASS flyer [0] with the new osgeo branding, the
content is really similar to the GRASS flyer, just different layout.Comments?
Some quick remarks:
- First of all: who are why addressing with this ? Users or developers ? The following remarks assume users.
- The first title reads "A mature mapping suite". I'm not sure I would advertise GRASS first and foremost for mapping. I'd rather present it as
"A mature spatial analysis suite" or something similar.
- Maybe an extract of the "GRASS GIS capabilities" on https://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/ would be more important than the interoperability and development information. I think people should first get a vision of what GRASS GIS actually does before thinking about how interoperable it is...
- Paragraphs could possibly be rearranged to create a drilling down from the most important general info to more specific info. I would say that for first contact with users the most important elements are: what is it/what does it do ? who uses it ? On what OS's does it run ? Is there documentation ? Is there a community ? Is it "certified" (I agree that the fact that it is an OSGeo project needs to be prominently present) ? ...
- I don't think we should adapt our logos to the OSGeo color scheme. Those are two different branding efforts. Not sure one has to fit into the other.
That's all for now, especially since I will not have time to work on this in the near future... 
Moritz
On 25 July 2017 at 15:17, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm pretty sure I attached two SVGs 15KB each (should be ok with for the
mailing list, right?). Trying again.
now they arrived, I think I prefer our version, so I'm going to leave
the actual logo (with the text under the logo)
however with i'm going to add the logo with
GRASS GIS text in black and leave also the GRASS GIS text with OSGeo
colorsNow that seems to be something which should be same across all the projects
if that goes to a brochure.
yes, that's right!
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ciao
Luca
www.lucadelu.org
On 25 July 2017 at 15:30, Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr> wrote:
Hello Luca and Vaclav,
Hi Vincent,
thank you for forwarding me this thread.
sorry if I didn't add you before..
[I'm not sure how pertinent is my comment on this, given I don't know
much of the OSGeo context where this flyer is meant to be published --
soory if I misunderstand]I would just recommend (just my 2 c., not any kind of claim) to take
into account the effort we made some time ago to enhance the graphical
identity of GRASS, esp. concerning fonts, colors, usage of GRASS GIS
logo. It is probably not that easy to clearly distinguish between OSGeo
and GRASS identity clues (all is more or less green and black and
white...), but I suggest that:
* we keep using the original GRASS "green" definition on this paper, I
mean for the logo only (not titles, I understand they belong to OSGeo
guidelines), or alternatively decline the logo in greyscale;
+1 instead I will leave our official logo
* GRASS GIS wording (and possibly the slogan) be consistent with our
identity (esp. font).
eh this is a problem... you need to think that this is the OSGeo
brochure for GRASS and the idea is to have a consistent fonts/color of
OSGeo.
We will continue to use our flyer that it is really cool.
Maybe use could distinguish between this flyer and our:
- this should be more generic for an ample public
- our a little more technical
what do you think about this?
Besides this, as you said, a horizontal version of the logo is probably
lacking. We could recycle the startup banner layout ?
+1
Yours,
Vincent.
thanks
--
ciao
Luca
www.lucadelu.org
On 27/07/17 08:06, Luca Delucchi wrote:
On 25 July 2017 at 15:30, Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr> wrote:
* GRASS GIS wording (and possibly the slogan) be consistent with our
identity (esp. font).eh this is a problem... you need to think that this is the OSGeo
brochure for GRASS and the idea is to have a consistent fonts/color of
OSGeo.We will continue to use our flyer that it is really cool.
Ah, I think this needs some clarification. Could you please explain for those that are not as informed exactly what this "OSGeo brochure for GRASS" is ? Or are we speaking about a page about GRASS in a general OSGeo brochure ?
Moritz
On 26 July 2017 at 11:31, Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:
Some quick remarks:
- First of all: who are why addressing with this ? Users or developers ? The
following remarks assume users.
new users
- The first title reads "A mature mapping suite". I'm not sure I would
advertise GRASS first and foremost for mapping. I'd rather present it as
"A mature spatial analysis suite" or something similar.
+1, you are completely right
- Maybe an extract of the "GRASS GIS capabilities" on
https://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/ would be more
important than the interoperability and development information. I think
people should first get a vision of what GRASS GIS actually does before
thinking about how interoperable it is...- Paragraphs could possibly be rearranged to create a drilling down from the
most important general info to more specific info. I would say that for
first contact with users the most important elements are: what is it/what
does it do ? who uses it ? On what OS's does it run ? Is there documentation
? Is there a community ? Is it "certified" (I agree that the fact that it is
an OSGeo project needs to be prominently present) ? ...
I follow this two idea and revisit the flyer, please look the new version
https://github.com/lucadelu/osgeo/blob/grass/marketing/print/grass_a4.svg
That's all for now, especially since I will not have time to work on this in
the near future...Moritz
--
ciao
Luca
www.lucadelu.org
On 27 July 2017 at 08:52, Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:
Ah, I think this needs some clarification. Could you please explain for
those that are not as informed exactly what this "OSGeo brochure for GRASS"
is ? Or are we speaking about a page about GRASS in a general OSGeo brochure
?
Sorry early morning and the brain is not really working today...
We can continue to use our flyer, but also the new one. What I'm
working now is a flyer following the new OSGeo Branding. the idea of
Marketing Committee (that I joined few days ago) is to have a generic
OSGeo brochure [0] (this is not the last version, there will be some
changes, please no comment on this 
) and flyers for all the OSGeo
Projects/Community projects/Initiatives. During events a person that
doesn't know OSGeo go to the OSGeo booth and he ask for more info,
when the OSGeo member at the booth understand what the person is
looking for (desktop, web, programming...) he will fill the brochure
only with the right flyers.
I hope now it is more clear...
Moritz
[0] https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/print/brochure_a3.pdf
--
ciao
Luca
www.lucadelu.org
On 27/07/17 09:06, Luca Delucchi wrote:
On 26 July 2017 at 11:31, Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:
Some quick remarks:
- First of all: who are why addressing with this ? Users or developers ? The
following remarks assume users.new users
- The first title reads "A mature mapping suite". I'm not sure I would
advertise GRASS first and foremost for mapping. I'd rather present it as
"A mature spatial analysis suite" or something similar.+1, you are completely right
- Maybe an extract of the "GRASS GIS capabilities" on
https://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/ would be more
important than the interoperability and development information. I think
people should first get a vision of what GRASS GIS actually does before
thinking about how interoperable it is...- Paragraphs could possibly be rearranged to create a drilling down from the
most important general info to more specific info. I would say that for
first contact with users the most important elements are: what is it/what
does it do ? who uses it ? On what OS's does it run ? Is there documentation
? Is there a community ? Is it "certified" (I agree that the fact that it is
an OSGeo project needs to be prominently present) ? ...I follow this two idea and revisit the flyer, please look the new version
https://github.com/lucadelu/osgeo/blob/grass/marketing/print/grass_a4.svg
Great !
Again a few remarks after a rapid glance:
- If we say in the opening paragraph that it is the "oldest" free GIS, then we should probably add in the same sentence something like "but still at the bleeding edge of innovation in GIS technology".
- I don't find that the paragraph on the top right really explains "Data management capabilities" since most of what is in it concerns data analysis. Maybe entitle it "Features" ?
- psmap is not the tool that "interactively compares two maps"
And just an idea: maybe replace the paragraph entitles "Graphical tools" (the list of which I find a bit abstract for new users) by one called "Multiple forms of use" [better title needed] explaining that you can use GRASS via a GUI (maybe cite some of the GUI modules in parantheses there), via command line (e.g. on headless servers) and via easy integration into different programming languages.
Moritz
On 27/07/17 09:17, Luca Delucchi wrote:
On 27 July 2017 at 08:52, Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:
Ah, I think this needs some clarification. Could you please explain for
those that are not as informed exactly what this "OSGeo brochure for GRASS"
is ? Or are we speaking about a page about GRASS in a general OSGeo brochure
?Sorry early morning and the brain is not really working today...
We can continue to use our flyer, but also the new one. What I'm
working now is a flyer following the new OSGeo Branding. the idea of
Marketing Committee (that I joined few days ago) is to have a generic
OSGeo brochure [0] (this is not the last version, there will be some
changes, please no comment on this
Projects/Community projects/Initiatives. During events a person that
doesn't know OSGeo go to the OSGeo booth and he ask for more info,
when the OSGeo member at the booth understand what the person is
looking for (desktop, web, programming...) he will fill the brochure
only with the right flyers.I hope now it is more clear...
Very much so. And I like the initiative !
Thanks !
Moritz
On 27 July 2017 at 09:21, Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:
Great !
Again a few remarks after a rapid glance:
- If we say in the opening paragraph that it is the "oldest" free GIS, then
we should probably add in the same sentence something like "but still at the
bleeding edge of innovation in GIS technology".- I don't find that the paragraph on the top right really explains "Data
management capabilities" since most of what is in it concerns data analysis.
Maybe entitle it "Features" ?- psmap is not the tool that "interactively compares two maps"
And just an idea: maybe replace the paragraph entitles "Graphical tools"
(the list of which I find a bit abstract for new users) by one called
"Multiple forms of use" [better title needed] explaining that you can use
GRASS via a GUI (maybe cite some of the GUI modules in parantheses there),
via command line (e.g. on headless servers) and via easy integration into
different programming languages.
done!
Moritz
--
ciao
Luca
www.lucadelu.org
Hi Luca,
great effort! Let me also comment on couple small things:
* The bottom 'GRASS GIS' seems unnecessary, I would keep only the
logo, which I would align to the left and the url to the right
* In interfaces, I would skip "called wxGUI", I am not sure whether we
need to mention it's in wxPython, new users probably won't know about
the old GUI?
* Now you have there twice that GRASS is old, maybe I would replace
the sentence "It is the oldest..." with something like "GRASS GIS can
serve you as a desktop GIS, the backbone of a geospatial
infrastructure or as an innovation platform for scientific modeling."
Thank you for working on this
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 July 2017 at 09:21, Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:
Great !
Again a few remarks after a rapid glance:
- If we say in the opening paragraph that it is the "oldest" free GIS, then
we should probably add in the same sentence something like "but still at the
bleeding edge of innovation in GIS technology".- I don't find that the paragraph on the top right really explains "Data
management capabilities" since most of what is in it concerns data analysis.
Maybe entitle it "Features" ?- psmap is not the tool that "interactively compares two maps"
And just an idea: maybe replace the paragraph entitles "Graphical tools"
(the list of which I find a bit abstract for new users) by one called
"Multiple forms of use" [better title needed] explaining that you can use
GRASS via a GUI (maybe cite some of the GUI modules in parantheses there),
via command line (e.g. on headless servers) and via easy integration into
different programming languages.done!
Moritz
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ciao
Lucawww.lucadelu.org
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Hi Luca,
Some feedback from me:
- remove "a" from the first sentence: GRASS GIS is free and open source software for performing spatial analysis.
- add an "s" to "consist" in the second sentence: It consists of more than 450 modules
- in the third sentence, the term "map web services" confuses me, did you mean "web map services" instead??
- in the next sentence, change "but still at the bleeding edge" to "but is still at the bleeding edge"
- in the section "A long term endeavor":
- change "wide contributors community. Both combine" to "wide contributors community; both combine"
- in the section "Interfaces":
- change "the simpler for new user" to "the simplest for the new user"
- change "text based" to "text-based"
-jeff
On 2017-07-27 1:05 PM, Anna Petrášová wrote:
Hi Luca,
great effort! Let me also comment on couple small things:
* The bottom 'GRASS GIS' seems unnecessary, I would keep only the
logo, which I would align to the left and the url to the right
* In interfaces, I would skip "called wxGUI", I am not sure whether we
need to mention it's in wxPython, new users probably won't know about
the old GUI?
* Now you have there twice that GRASS is old, maybe I would replace
the sentence "It is the oldest..." with something like "GRASS GIS can
serve you as a desktop GIS, the backbone of a geospatial
infrastructure or as an innovation platform for scientific modeling."Thank you for working on this
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 July 2017 at 09:21, Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:
Great !
Again a few remarks after a rapid glance:
- If we say in the opening paragraph that it is the "oldest" free GIS, then
we should probably add in the same sentence something like "but still at the
bleeding edge of innovation in GIS technology".- I don't find that the paragraph on the top right really explains "Data
management capabilities" since most of what is in it concerns data analysis.
Maybe entitle it "Features" ?- psmap is not the tool that "interactively compares two maps"
And just an idea: maybe replace the paragraph entitles "Graphical tools"
(the list of which I find a bit abstract for new users) by one called
"Multiple forms of use" [better title needed] explaining that you can use
GRASS via a GUI (maybe cite some of the GUI modules in parantheses there),
via command line (e.g. on headless servers) and via easy integration into
different programming languages.done!
Moritz
--
ciao
Lucawww.lucadelu.org
Update for the flyer: Number of modules in the flyer is “more than 450”. It is actually better than that: “more than 500” if we simply count all in 7.2 branch using:
$ python -c “print(ls dist.x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin | grep "\." | grep test -v | wc -l + ls dist.x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/scripts | grep "\." | wc -l)”
514
GRASS > g.search.modules xxx -n -g | wc -l
504
