[GRASS-dev] grass wiki: de-emphasize grass6

ecodiv · July 29, 2017, 10:13am

Hi devs,

I was looking at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics and I noticed that references to GRASS 6 and spgrass6 are still prominent on this page. Perhaps it is time to move all these to a less prominent place on the page, e.g., as note near the end that R can also interface with grass 6 through the spgrass6 package?

More in general, there are several places on the wiki where grass 6 still features rather prominently (e.g., https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_Help). The wiki is a community effort so I can make an attempt to improve pages, but before I do so, perhaps it is good to have a general idea / consensus how to deal with information/links to grass 6.

In my opinion, the emphasis should be on information related to grass 7, removing reference to grass6 were not relevant, and otherwise move it to e.g., 'legacy' pages (which could like back to the more recent information, similar to the manual pages). What do you think?

Paulo

mlennert · July 29, 2017, 12:01pm

On 29/07/17 12:13, Paulo van Breugel wrote:

Hi devs,

I was looking at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics and I noticed that references to GRASS 6 and spgrass6 are still prominent on this page. Perhaps it is time to move all these to a less prominent place on the page, e.g., as note near the end that R can also interface with grass 6 through the spgrass6 package?

More in general, there are several places on the wiki where grass 6 still features rather prominently (e.g., https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_Help). The wiki is a community effort so I can make an attempt to improve pages, but before I do so, perhaps it is good to have a general idea / consensus how to deal with information/links to grass 6.

In my opinion, the emphasis should be on information related to grass 7, removing reference to grass6 were not relevant, and otherwise move it to e.g., 'legacy' pages (which could like back to the more recent information, similar to the manual pages). What do you think?

+1

Ideally we should probably avoid references to specific versions as much as possible...

Moritz

veroandreo · August 2, 2017, 11:16am

Hi Paulo

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2017-07-29 14:01 GMT+02:00 Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be>:

On 29/07/17 12:13, Paulo van Breugel wrote:

Hi devs,

I was looking at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics and I noticed that references to GRASS 6 and spgrass6 are still prominent on this page. Perhaps it is time to move all these to a less prominent place on the page, e.g., as note near the end that R can also interface with grass 6 through the spgrass6 package?

Please, feel free to enhance/re-organize the R_statistics and derived wiki pages. Two years ago, we did some refactoring of them, but there’s still a lot of space for improvement. I agree with your suggestion of moving grass6/R interface to a note in the end… GRASS stable version is 7 for some years already

Also, if you work with R and GRASS and want to contribute new examples, that’s more than welcome!

More in general, there are several places on the wiki where grass 6 still features rather prominently (e.g., https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_Help). The wiki is a community effort so I can make an attempt to improve pages, but before I do so, perhaps it is good to have a general idea / consensus how to deal with information/links to grass 6.

In my opinion, the emphasis should be on information related to grass 7, removing reference to grass6 were not relevant, and otherwise move it to e.g., ‘legacy’ pages (which could like back to the more recent information, similar to the manual pages). What do you think?

+1

+1

Vero

ecodiv · August 11, 2017, 12:51pm

On 7/29/17 2:01 PM, Moritz Lennert wrote:

On 29/07/17 12:13, Paulo van Breugel wrote:

Hi devs,

I was looking at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics and I noticed that references to GRASS 6 and spgrass6 are still prominent on this page. Perhaps it is time to move all these to a less prominent place on the page, e.g., as note near the end that R can also interface with grass 6 through the spgrass6 package?

More in general, there are several places on the wiki where grass 6 still features rather prominently (e.g., https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_Help). The wiki is a community effort so I can make an attempt to improve pages, but before I do so, perhaps it is good to have a general idea / consensus how to deal with information/links to grass 6.

In my opinion, the emphasis should be on information related to grass 7, removing reference to grass6 were not relevant, and otherwise move it to e.g., 'legacy' pages (which could like back to the more recent information, similar to the manual pages). What do you think?

+1

Ideally we should probably avoid references to specific versions as much as possible...

I have updated the page. Text is now more version agnostic. Added 'notes for grass6 users at end of page, with the suggestion to move to grass 7'. Also removed some dead links. It would be good if we could add more recent examples (articles, tutorials, blog posts) in a separate examples section.

I kept the link to https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics/rgrass7 but what about merging it with R_statistics? If we do, can keep https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics/spgrass6 as a page to go for grass6 users.

Moritz

wenzeslaus · August 12, 2017, 3:03am

Paulo,

thanks so much for a needed update.

···

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Paulo van Breugel <p.vanbreugel@gmail.com> wrote:

I kept the link to https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics/rgrass7 but what about merging it with R_statistics? If we do, can keep https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics/spgrass6 as a page to go for grass6 users.

I’m not in favor of the subpage idea for user wiki (but I think others are), so I’m for merging it or creating a special page if it is important to highlight separately from the general idea. (Does R+GRASS == rgrass? Or is also RQGIS?) In this case, it seems that overview page is needed and then a specific page. rgrass7 is quite long already.

When you are at it, also note that the wiki page name is “R statistics” which is not the name of the project, nor the way how the project refers to itself [1]:

“”"
What is R?
R is a language and environment for statistical computing and graphics.

The R environment
R is an integrated suite of software facilities for data manipulation, calculation and graphical display.
“”"

=> “R statistical environment” or Wikipedia’s “R (programming language)” if you want to avoid just “R”.

Vaclav

[1] https://www.r-project.org/about.html

ecodiv · August 12, 2017, 9:34am

On 8/12/17 5:03 AM, Vaclav Petras wrote:

Paulo,

thanks so much for a needed update.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Paulo van Breugel <p.vanbreugel@gmail.com <mailto:p.vanbreugel@gmail.com>> wrote:

    I kept the link to
    https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics/rgrass7
    <https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics/rgrass7> but what
    about merging it with R_statistics? If we do, can keep
    https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics/spgrass6
    <https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics/spgrass6> as a page
    to go for grass6 users.

I'm not in favor of the subpage idea for user wiki (but I think others are), so I'm for merging it or creating a special page if it is important to highlight separately from the general idea.

+1

(Does R+GRASS == rgrass? Or is also RQGIS?)

I would limit this to R+GRASS. RQGIS is a whole different story.

In this case, it seems that overview page is needed and then a specific page. rgrass7 is quite long already.

Merging it with r_statistics wouldn't make it that much longer, most what is on the r_statistics page is also on rgrass7 page. We can move the introduction on r_statistics to rgrass7, see if there is anything else worth moving, and that's it I think (about the name of such page, see below).

When you are at it, also note that the wiki page name is "R statistics" which is not the name of the project, nor the way how the project refers to itself [1]:

"""
What is R?
R is a language and environment for statistical computing and graphics.

The R environment
R is an integrated suite of software facilities for data manipulation, calculation and graphical display.
"""

=> "R statistical environment" or Wikipedia's "R (programming language)" if you want to avoid just "R".

One reason to use R<-->GRASS is that R adds statistical capabilities to GRASS. I guess this is why the pages was called R_statistics? But there are more possible reasons to use the two together. So, given that the page (and the rgrass7 page) is about using GRASS and R in conjunction, we could use the name 'GRASS-R', or more verbose, 'Using R with GRASS', or if possible in the url, 'GRASS<-->R'

Vaclav

[1] https://www.r-project.org/about.html

veroandreo · August 12, 2017, 1:15pm

Hi all,

···

Thanks for the update, Paulo!

+1

+1 for merging! The rgrass7 content might well be merged with some edits and beautifications in the “How to use” section of the R_statistics page, no?

I would limit this to R+GRASS. RQGIS is a whole different story.

yes, only GRASS & R

Merging it with r_statistics wouldn’t make it that much longer, most what is on the r_statistics page is also on rgrass7 page. We can move the introduction on r_statistics to rgrass7, see if there is anything else worth moving, and that’s it I think (about the name of such page, see below).

One reason to use R<–>GRASS is that R adds statistical capabilities to GRASS. I guess this is why the pages was called R_statistics? But there are more possible reasons to use the two together. So, given that the page (and the rgrass7 page) is about using GRASS and R in conjunction, we could use the name ‘GRASS-R’, or more verbose, ‘Using R with GRASS’, or if possible in the url, ‘GRASS<–>R’

Since it is possible to use R within GRASS and GRASS within R, what about ‘GRASS_and_R’ the same way we also have GRASS_and_Python [0]?

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Paulo van Breugel <p.vanbreugel@gmail.com> wrote:

I kept the link to https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics/rgrass7 but what about merging it with R_statistics? If we do, can keep https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics/spgrass6 as a page to go for grass6 users.

I’m not in favor of the subpage idea for user wiki (but I think others are), so I’m for merging it or creating a special page if it is important to highlight separately from the general idea.

(Does R+GRASS == rgrass? Or is also RQGIS?)

In this case, it seems that overview page is needed and then a specific page. rgrass7 is quite long already.

When you are at it, also note that the wiki page name is “R statistics” which is not the name of the project, nor the way how the project refers to itself [1]:

“”"
What is R?
R is a language and environment for statistical computing and graphics.

The R environment
R is an integrated suite of software facilities for data manipulation, calculation and graphical display.
“”"

=> “R statistical environment” or Wikipedia’s “R (programming language)” if you want to avoid just “R”.

‘GRASS<–>R’ even if allowed seems, imho, too complex for a wikipage name.

my 2 cents

best,
Vero

[0] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_and_Python