[GRASS-dev] Make it clearer that GRASS 7.0 is the version to go for now

On http://grass.osgeo.org/download/software/sources/ it reads:

GRASS GIS 6.4 (stable): Most users will want to install this officially released version.
GRASS GIS 7.0 (new stable): New stable. See announcement. Very promising (see New Features) and usually works.

Should this be changed, with GRASS GIS 7.0 being the version that most users want to install? And I would change GRASS GIS 6.4 (stable) to GRASS GIS 6.4 (previous version). This makes it implicitly clear that it is stable version too, but more relevant, it emphasizes that people should start using GRASS 7

Paulo van Breugel wrote:

On http://grass.osgeo.org/download/software/sources/ it reads:

GRASS GIS 6.4 (stable): Most users will want to install this officially
released version.
GRASS GIS 7.0 (new stable): New stable. See announcement. Very promising
(see New Features) and usually works.

Should this be changed,

Absolutely!

with GRASS GIS 7.0 being the version that most
users want to install?

Please, rephrase also thw "usually works" bits.

Nikos

And I would change GRASS GIS 6.4 (stable) to GRASS
GIS 6.4 (previous version). This makes it implicitly clear that it is
stable version too, but more relevant, it emphasizes that people should
start using GRASS 7

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Paulo van Breugel
<p.vanbreugel@gmail.com> wrote:

On http://grass.osgeo.org/download/software/sources/ it reads:

GRASS GIS 6.4 (stable): Most users will want to install this officially
released version.
GRASS GIS 7.0 (new stable): New stable. See announcement. Very promising
(see New Features) and usually works.

Should this be changed,

Sure! All done. It was simply a leftover ...

Thanks for the notification.

Markus

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Paulo van Breugel
<p.vanbreugel@gmail.com> wrote:

On http://grass.osgeo.org/download/software/sources/ it reads:

GRASS GIS 6.4 (stable): Most users will want to install this officially
released version.
GRASS GIS 7.0 (new stable): New stable. See announcement. Very promising
(see New Features) and usually works.

Should this be changed,

Sure! All done. It was simply a leftover …

Thanks for the notification.

Markus, we should also change the subtitle to what is in the splash screen:

Bringing advanced geospatial technologies to the world.

Others, feel free to go through the website and catch obsolete info such as what is current release. There might be more.

Vaclav

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus@gmail.com> wrote:

Markus, we should also change the subtitle to what is in the splash screen:

     Bringing advanced geospatial technologies to the world.

Done!

Others, feel free to go through the website and catch obsolete info such as
what is current release. There might be more.

Yes, thanks

Markus

Hi,

···

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus@gmail.com> wrote:

Others, feel free to go through the website and catch obsolete info such as what is current release. There might be more.

Probably also
http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/#AboutGRASS6
http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/#AboutGRASS7

Should be updated accordingly. (GRASS GIS 7 is under development with a first releases in preparation)

Perhaps the “about GRASS6” should become less visible, as now is the first that meets the eye.

Best regards,

Dr. Margherita DI LEO
Scientific / technical project officer

European Commission - DG JRC
Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES)
Via Fermi, 2749
I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261

Tel. +39 0332 78 3600
margherita.di-leo@jrc.ec.europa.eu

Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Margherita Di Leo <diregola@gmail.com> wrote:

Probably also
http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/#AboutGRASS6
http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/#AboutGRASS7

Should be updated accordingly. (GRASS GIS 7 is under development with a
first releases in preparation)

Perhaps the "about GRASS6" should become less visible, as now is the first
that meets the eye.

Modifications done. Please check (and suggest if further changes desired).

Markus

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On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Margherita Di Leo <diregola@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Probably also
> http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/#AboutGRASS6
> http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/#AboutGRASS7
>
> Should be updated accordingly. (GRASS GIS 7 is under development with a
> first releases in preparation)
>
> Perhaps the "about GRASS6" should become less visible, as now is the
first
> that meets the eye.

Agree, and therefore I would put 'About GRASS GIS 7' first, followed by the
'About GRASS GIS 6' paragraph (or leave the latter out altogether).

That paragraph also links to the wikipedia about GRASS should perhaps be
added to the paragraph 'About GRASS GIS 7' instead (The *GRASS GIS 7*
(Wikipedia
entry <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS&gt;\) ...). And there is a small
typo in that paragraph: A full temporal framwork <- e missing in framework.

This btw means the Wikipedia article should be adapted too. I would suggest
the sentence 'GRASS 6.4.0 introduced a new generation of graphical user
interface called *wxGUI*. wxGUI is designed using Python
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(programming_language)&gt;
programming language and wxPython <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WxPython&gt;
graphical library' should be replaced with the short description, perhaps
based on the above mentioned 'About GRASS GIS 7' paragraph?, i.e.,

The latest stable release version (LTS) is GRASS GIS 7, which is available
since 2015. It offers, amongst others, large data support, an improved
topological 2D/3D vector engine and much improved vector network analysis.
Attributes are managed by default in SQLite format. The display manager has
been improved for usability. The NVIZ visualization tool was completely
rewritten. Image processing has also been improved. A full temporal
framework has been added. See more details at New Features
<https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/Grass7/NewFeatures&gt;\.

Anybody who normally takes care of that?

Modifications done. Please check (and suggest if further changes desired).

Markus

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On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Paulo van Breugel <p.vanbreugel@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Margherita Di Leo <diregola@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Probably also
> http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/#AboutGRASS6
> http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview/#AboutGRASS7
>
> Should be updated accordingly. (GRASS GIS 7 is under development with a
> first releases in preparation)
>
> Perhaps the "about GRASS6" should become less visible, as now is the
first
> that meets the eye.

Agree, and therefore I would put 'About GRASS GIS 7' first, followed by
the 'About GRASS GIS 6' paragraph (or leave the latter out altogether).

That paragraph also links to the wikipedia about GRASS should perhaps be
added to the paragraph 'About GRASS GIS 7' instead (The *GRASS GIS 7* (Wikipedia
entry <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS&gt;\) ...). And there is a
small typo in that paragraph: A full temporal framwork <- e missing in
framework.

This btw means the Wikipedia article should be adapted too. I would
suggest the sentence 'GRASS 6.4.0 introduced a new generation of graphical
user interface called *wxGUI*. wxGUI is designed using Python
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(programming_language)&gt;
programming language and wxPython <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WxPython&gt;
graphical library' should be replaced with the short description, perhaps
based on the above mentioned 'About GRASS GIS 7' paragraph?, i.e.,

The latest stable release version (LTS) is GRASS GIS 7, which is
available since 2015. It offers, amongst others, large data support, an
improved topological 2D/3D vector engine and much improved vector network
analysis. Attributes are managed by default in SQLite format. The display
manager has been improved for usability. The NVIZ visualization tool was
completely rewritten. Image processing has also been improved. A full
temporal framework has been added. See more details at New Features
<https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/Grass7/NewFeatures&gt;\.

I agree with all these changes and I would bring the sentence: "GRASS GIS
6.x is the old stable version." as starting sentence of the paragraph GRASS
GIS 6.

--
Best regards,

Dr. Margherita DI LEO
Scientific / technical project officer

European Commission - DG JRC
Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES)
Via Fermi, 2749
I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261

Tel. +39 0332 78 3600
margherita.di-leo@jrc.ec.europa.eu

Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not
in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the
European Commission.

All done, see again
http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview

Markus

PS: the Wikipedia update I'll leave to others

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

All done, see again
http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview

Markus

PS: the Wikipedia update I'll leave to others

I made some changes to the Wikipedia page, please have a look if OK. As it
includes a history section, it might be nice to add a brief overview of
when the different versions where released, perhaps with some key
improvements. Is there anywhere such an overview (I admittedly haven't
looked hard, just came up as an idea).

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Paulo van Breugel <p.vanbreugel@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

All done, see again
http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview

Markus

PS: the Wikipedia update I'll leave to others

I made some changes to the Wikipedia page, please have a look if OK. As it
includes a history section, it might be nice to add a brief overview of
when the different versions where released, perhaps with some key
improvements. Is there anywhere such an overview (I admittedly haven't
looked hard, just came up as an idea).

I know about one historical document if somebody would like to dig in but
it is not feature-focused AFAIK.

http://geni.isnew.info/grass/Jim-Westervelt.pdf

On Feb 24, 2015 8:31 PM, “Vaclav Petras” <wenzeslaus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Paulo van Breugel <p.vanbreugel@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

All done, see again
http://grass.osgeo.org/documentation/general-overview

Markus

PS: the Wikipedia update I’ll leave to others

I made some changes to the Wikipedia page, please have a look if OK. As it includes a history section, it might be nice to add a brief overview of when the different versions where released, perhaps with some key improvements. Is there anywhere such an overview (I admittedly haven’t looked hard, just came up as an idea).

I know about one historical document

Just enjoy the history page at grass.osgeo.org :slight_smile:

Markus

The news page [1] contains link to GRASS GIS packages in OSGeo4W which is great if you already have OSGeo4W but you have to figure out how to download it.

What about:

winGRASS 7.0.0: standalone installer | OSGeo4W installer (description of GRASS GIS packages)

where OSGeo4W installer goes to [3] and description of GRASS GIS packages goes to [2]?

[1] http://grass.osgeo.org/news/42/15/GRASS-GIS-7-0-0/
[2] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/pkg-grass
[3] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus@gmail.com> wrote:

The news page [1] contains link to GRASS GIS packages in OSGeo4W which is
great if you already have OSGeo4W but you have to figure out how to download
it.

What about:

winGRASS 7.0.0: standalone installer | OSGeo4W installer (description of
GRASS GIS packages)

... the line would become very long then. For now I simplified it to
"winGRASS" which points to
http://grass.osgeo.org/download/software/ms-windows/

In case we should improve that page.

Markus

where OSGeo4W installer goes to [3] and description of GRASS GIS packages
goes to [2]?

[1] http://grass.osgeo.org/news/42/15/GRASS-GIS-7-0-0/
[2] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/pkg-grass
[3] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/