[GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

cmbarton · January 28, 2015, 3:26pm

Thanks Vincent. This is conceptually along the lines I was thinking, but better thought out and presented by you.

The image on the splash screen should follow the same logic: display the logo and tag line, use the color green, and visually reinforce the message in the tag line.

So far, the tag lines proposed have all included the concepts of GIS or digital mapping (“geospatial technology”) and universality (“world", “everyone").

Michael

C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)

www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu

On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:36 AM, grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org wrote:

From: Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>

To: grass-dev <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>

Date: January 28, 2015 at 7:36:41 AM MST

Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Hi,
I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week on a wiki page. I
tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we can further set up
things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

Vincent.

ecodiv · January 28, 2015, 3:48pm

Good initiative… For a decision to be taken (if there are enough quality proposals for the tagline, logo and the splash screen), would it be an idea to invite GRASS users to vote (as was already proposed before - so perhaps something is already in place)? A simple/easy way could be a poll on the GRASS GIS Google+ page, and people could be invited via the email list. Anyway,just though it could be nice to get ‘the user community’ to pick from a selection.

···

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

Thanks Vincent. This is conceptually along the lines I was thinking, but better thought out and presented by you.

The image on the splash screen should follow the same logic: display the logo and tag line, use the color green, and visually reinforce the message in the tag line.

So far, the tag lines proposed have all included the concepts of GIS or digital mapping (“geospatial technology”) and universality (“world", “everyone").

Michael

C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)

www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu

On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:36 AM, grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org wrote:

From: Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>

To: grass-dev <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>

Date: January 28, 2015 at 7:36:41 AM MST

Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Hi,
I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week on a wiki page. I
tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we can further set up
things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

Vincent.

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cmbarton · January 28, 2015, 4:00pm

Voting is fine. However, only 1 of the images fits the informational logic I suggested. People might first want to disagree with this logic or propose other images that fit it before we vote.

Michael

···

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

Thanks Vincent. This is conceptually along the lines I was thinking, but better thought out and presented by you.

The image on the splash screen should follow the same logic: display the logo and tag line, use the color green, and visually reinforce the message in the tag line.

So far, the tag lines proposed have all included the concepts of GIS or digital mapping (“geospatial technology”) and universality (“world", “everyone").

Michael

C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)

www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu

On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:36 AM, grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org wrote:

From: Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>

To: grass-dev <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>

Date: January 28, 2015 at 7:36:41 AM MST

Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Hi,
I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week on a wiki page. I
tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we can further set up
things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

Vincent.

grass-dev mailing list
grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev

Blumentrath_Stefan1 · January 28, 2015, 4:16pm

Just a word of caution: Not long ago (2011 (http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2011-August/015791.html) or 2013 (http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2013-May/026008.html)) the QGIS-project had a (long) logo discussion too.

Quite some resources were used (in terms of developer- and user-time) on creating logo proposals and polls (a kind of logo-contest in several rounds) as well as discussing proposals in several threads. At the end – if I am not mistaken – the project ended up with using more or less the old logo…

Cheers

Stefan

···

Good initiative… For a decision to be taken (if there are enough quality proposals for the tagline, logo and the splash screen), would it be an idea to invite GRASS users to vote (as was already proposed before - so perhaps something is already in place)? A simple/easy way could be a poll on the GRASS GIS Google+ page, and people could be invited via the email list. Anyway,just though it could be nice to get ‘the user community’ to pick from a selection.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

Thanks Vincent. This is conceptually along the lines I was thinking, but better thought out and presented by you.

The image on the splash screen should follow the same logic: display the logo and tag line, use the color green, and visually reinforce the message in the tag line.

So far, the tag lines proposed have all included the concepts of GIS or digital mapping (“geospatial technology”) and universality (“world", “everyone").

Michael

C. Michael Barton

Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity

Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change

Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science

Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)

www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu

On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:36 AM, grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org wrote:

From: Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>

To: grass-dev <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>

Date: January 28, 2015 at 7:36:41 AM MST

Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Hi,
I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week on a wiki page. I
tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we can further set up
things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

Vincent.

grass-dev mailing list
grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev

cmbarton · January 28, 2015, 4:35pm

For QGIS is it more difficult as they change their splash screen every year or so, with each major release.

GRASS only does it once every decade

Michael
____________________
C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)
www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu

On Jan 28, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Blumentrath, Stefan <Stefan.Blumentrath@nina.no<mailto:Stefan.Blumentrath@nina.no>> wrote:

Just a word of caution: Not long ago (2011 ([Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-community-team] New QGIS logo) or 2013 ([Qgis-developer] Logo Update)) the QGIS-project had a (long) logo discussion too.
Quite some resources were used (in terms of developer- and user-time) on creating logo proposals and polls (a kind of logo-contest in several rounds) as well as discussing proposals in several threads. At the end – if I am not mistaken – the project ended up with using more or less the old logo…

Cheers
Stefan

From: grass-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:grass-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> [mailto:grass-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Paulo van Breugel
Sent: 28. januar 2015 16:48
To: Michael Barton
Cc: GRASS developers grass-developers
Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Good initiative.. For a decision to be taken (if there are enough quality proposals for the tagline, logo and the splash screen), would it be an idea to invite GRASS users to vote (as was already proposed before - so perhaps something is already in place)? A simple/easy way could be a poll on the GRASS GIS Google+ page, and people could be invited via the email list. Anyway,just though it could be nice to get 'the user community' to pick from a selection.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu<mailto:Michael.Barton@asu.edu>> wrote:
Thanks Vincent. This is conceptually along the lines I was thinking, but better thought out and presented by you.

The image on the splash screen should follow the same logic: display the logo and tag line, use the color green, and visually reinforce the message in the tag line.

So far, the tag lines proposed have all included the concepts of GIS or digital mapping ("geospatial technology") and universality (“world", “everyone").

Michael
____________________
C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)
www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, Center for Social Dynamics and Complexity;

On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:36 AM, grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

From: Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr<mailto:bain@toraval.fr>>
To: grass-dev <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>>
Date: January 28, 2015 at 7:36:41 AM MST
Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Hi,
I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week on a wiki page. I
tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we can further set up
things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

Vincent.

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Vincent_Bain · January 28, 2015, 4:46pm

OK,

Stephan, I hear your advice. Yes, eventhough it may look a trivial or
childish task, achieving a mastered output actually takes time and
requires a minimum of care. So, trying to satisfy everyone's
taste/preference/fundamental point of view/or whatever/ will probably be
challenging...
When someone submits a piece of code, the coding style is not much
discussed, but the community is allowed to change it if definitely
unsatisfied.

We could try to go ahead with one proposal (say, one that satisfies at
least a bunch of most commited people), and adapt it at the next release
(or in 10 years ?

As Moritz mentions in his revision, there is a problem with a font
family (Fontin). I am looking for an substitute.

Yours,
Vincent

Le mercredi 28 janvier 2015 à 16:16 +0000, Blumentrath, Stefan a écrit :

Just a word of caution: Not long ago (2011
(http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2011-August/015791.html) or 2013 (http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2013-May/026008.html)) the QGIS-project had a (long) logo discussion too.

Quite some resources were used (in terms of developer- and user-time)
on creating logo proposals and polls (a kind of logo-contest in
several rounds) as well as discussing proposals in several threads. At
the end – if I am not mistaken – the project ended up with using more
or less the old logo…

Cheers

Stefan

From: grass-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:grass-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Paulo van
Breugel
Sent: 28. januar 2015 16:48
To: Michael Barton
Cc: GRASS developers grass-developers
Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Good initiative.. For a decision to be taken (if there are enough
quality proposals for the tagline, logo and the splash screen), would
it be an idea to invite GRASS users to vote (as was already proposed
before - so perhaps something is already in place)? A simple/easy way
could be a poll on the GRASS GIS Google+ page, and people could be
invited via the email list. Anyway,just though it could be nice to get
'the user community' to pick from a selection.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Michael Barton
<Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

        Thanks Vincent. This is conceptually along the lines I was
        thinking, but better thought out and presented by you.

        The image on the splash screen should follow the same logic:
        display the logo and tag line, use the color green, and
        visually reinforce the message in the tag line.

        So far, the tag lines proposed have all included the concepts
        of GIS or digital mapping ("geospatial technology") and
        universality (“world", “everyone").

        Michael

        ____________________

        C. Michael Barton

        Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity

        Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social
        Change

        Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science

        Arizona State University

        voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
        fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)

        www:http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton,http://csdc.asu.edu

                On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:36 AM,
                grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org wrote:

                From: Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>

                To: grass-dev <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>

                Date: January 28, 2015 at 7:36:41 AM MST

                Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS
                GIS 7?

                Hi,
                I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week
                on a wiki page. I
                tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we
                can further set up
                things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.

                http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

                Vincent.

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wenzeslaus · January 28, 2015, 5:09pm

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Blumentrath, Stefan <
Stefan.Blumentrath@nina.no> wrote:

Just a word of caution: Not long ago (2011 (
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2011-August/015791.html)
or 2013 (
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2013-May/026008.html))
the QGIS-project had a (long) logo discussion too.

Quite some resources were used (in terms of developer- and user-time) on
creating logo proposals and polls (a kind of logo-contest in several
rounds) as well as discussing proposals in several threads. At the end – if
I am not mistaken – the project ended up with using more or less the old
logo…

Thanks for the warning. I agree that we should not spend much resources on
it but we should spend some. It is impotent to note the difference to QGIS
2.0 logo change. We are not changing the logo but just the design of splash
and startup screen (and perhaps layer manager?). These are things which can
change anytime but before release it is a good time to change it and in
fact we are not changing graphical things often, so it is worth to think
this through.

Anyway, I don't think that we need to discuss Vincent's cleaned version of
the logo (it's just a technical change).

For the splash screen we need something nice but I think it should be
something simple too because the time you actually see splash is short. For
this reason I consider the world with grass all over as unnecessary
complicated.

The startup screen is more important I think but on the other hand, there
should be just something very simple. Simple think will not obsolete and
will not get old so fast. To the suggestions at the wiki, if I remember
correctly we can have both, transparent for light and white for dark, the
only question is how to decide (in Python) that it is dark (e.g., compare
brightness of system text and background). So we can try that and change it
later if it does not work.

Overall, I like all Vincent's suggestions at
http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity and once Vincent feels confident
(and technical issues such as font are solved) I would go ahead and vote
(if it is even necessary to vote, I don't know).

Thanks Vincent and others, it looks great so far!
Vaclav

Cheers

Stefan

*From:* grass-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
grass-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *Paulo van Breugel
*Sent:* 28. januar 2015 16:48
*To:* Michael Barton
*Cc:* GRASS developers grass-developers

*Subject:* Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Good initiative.. For a decision to be taken (if there are enough quality
proposals for the tagline, logo and the splash screen), would it be an idea
to invite GRASS users to vote (as was already proposed before - so perhaps
something is already in place)? A simple/easy way could be a poll on the
GRASS GIS Google+ page, and people could be invited via the email list.
Anyway,just though it could be nice to get 'the user community' to pick
from a selection.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu>
wrote:

Thanks Vincent. This is conceptually along the lines I was thinking, but
better thought out and presented by you.

The image on the splash screen should follow the same logic: display the
logo and tag line, use the color green, and visually reinforce the message
in the tag line.

So far, the tag lines proposed have all included the concepts of GIS or
digital mapping ("geospatial technology") and universality (“world",
“everyone").

Michael

____________________

C. Michael Barton

Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity

Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change

Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science

Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)

www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu

On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:36 AM, grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org wrote:

*From: *Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>

*To: *grass-dev <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>

*Date: *January 28, 2015 at 7:36:41 AM MST

*Subject: **Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?*

Hi,
I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week on a wiki page. I
tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we can further set up
things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

Vincent.

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neteler · January 28, 2015, 5:21pm

Hi Vaclav,

am I right that you have already an updated welcome screen on your own machine? Since changing the graphics therein is rather easy would you mind to share a diff?

I would also be happy to see Markus M’s suggestion implemented as alternative startup.

Both could be then selected via flag as usual.

Thanks
Markus

wenzeslaus · January 28, 2015, 5:36pm

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

Hi Vaclav,

am I right that you have already an updated welcome screen on your own
machine? Since changing the graphics therein is rather easy would you mind
to share a diff?

Hi Markus,

I posted two different startup screens so far, one with new logo and one
with a new layout (I posted screenshot for both, but diff just for the
later). I'm not sure what you want to do and which one do want. I would
like to commit the new layout to trunk, should I do that now?

I would also be happy to see Markus M's suggestion implemented as
alternative startup.

Both could be then selected via flag as usual.

Thanks
Markus

neteler · January 28, 2015, 5:38pm

On Jan 28, 2015 6:37 PM, “Vaclav Petras” <wenzeslaus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

Hi Vaclav,

am I right that you have already an updated welcome screen on your own machine? Since changing the graphics therein is rather easy would you mind to share a diff?

Hi Markus,

I posted two different startup screens so far, one with new logo and one with a new layout (I posted screenshot for both, but diff just for the later). I’m not sure what you want to do and which one do want. I would like to commit the new layout to trunk, should I do that now?

Yes, makes it much easier to try and discuss.

Markus

I would also be happy to see Markus M’s suggestion implemented as alternative startup.

Both could be then selected via flag as usual.

Thanks
Markus

wenzeslaus · January 28, 2015, 6:47pm

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

On Jan 28, 2015 6:37 PM, "Vaclav Petras" <wenzeslaus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi Vaclav,
>>
>> am I right that you have already an updated welcome screen on your own
machine? Since changing the graphics therein is rather easy would you mind
to share a diff?
>
> Hi Markus,
>
> I posted two different startup screens so far, one with new logo and one
with a new layout (I posted screenshot for both, but diff just for the
later). I'm not sure what you want to do and which one do want. I would
like to commit the new layout to trunk, should I do that now?

Yes, makes it much easier to try and discuss.

Done in 64345.

http://trac.osgeo.org/grass/changeset/64345

Markus

>> I would also be happy to see Markus M's suggestion implemented as
alternative startup.
>>
>> Both could be then selected via flag as usual.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Markus
>
>