[GRASS-user] Basic GIS course ideas

Hi FOSS GIS users,

I am a part-time instructor in a college teaching introductory gis
course. I have been advocating for the use FOSS GIS (particularly
GRASS and QGIS ) in our schools for the lab sessions.
This is the second term I am doing this and have been reflecting on
how did it go the first time.

The objective of the course is for students to understand basic gis
principles as well as practical applications in site planning, land
use, ecology and business.

Judging by the previous experience, it is a little bit difficult
introducing the student FOSS GIS especially the linux way of doing
things (CLI). We are using XP machines and most students probably
know computers as MS windows only.

Some are more interested in creating cool maps and not on the
underlying spatial analysis techniques (i.e. r.mapcalc) that were
used.

I wrote the list to ask GRASS instructors on any ideas in making the
course better. If you have any approaches/techniques/exercises you
might want to share please do. I firmly believe using FOSS GIS
especially in our country is very important. As a compromise though,
a suggestion from this list was to also introduce them to propriety
GIS package. We have a few arcview 3.2 in the lab so I might give a 1
or 2 sessions about it.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Maning

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We are finding QGIS by far the best tool for introductory courses. The
GRASS plugin allows a smooth progress from simple coloured maps up into
the heaven of complex raster and vector analyses. The native compilation
on xp makes things even easier for novices.
The only serios problem now is the instability of qgis 0.8; I think we
need a good deal of effort to have a really stable and bugfree release.
I like the idea of a standard set of exercises. A wiki could be a good
starting point?
All the best.
pc

maning sambale ha scritto:

Hi FOSS GIS users,

I am a part-time instructor in a college teaching introductory gis
course. I have been advocating for the use FOSS GIS (particularly
GRASS and QGIS ) in our schools for the lab sessions.
This is the second term I am doing this and have been reflecting on
how did it go the first time.

The objective of the course is for students to understand basic gis
principles as well as practical applications in site planning, land
use, ecology and business.

Judging by the previous experience, it is a little bit difficult
introducing the student FOSS GIS especially the linux way of doing
things (CLI). We are using XP machines and most students probably
know computers as MS windows only.

Some are more interested in creating cool maps and not on the
underlying spatial analysis techniques (i.e. r.mapcalc) that were
used.

I wrote the list to ask GRASS instructors on any ideas in making the
course better. If you have any approaches/techniques/exercises you
might want to share please do. I firmly believe using FOSS GIS
especially in our country is very important. As a compromise though,
a suggestion from this list was to also introduce them to propriety
GIS package. We have a few arcview 3.2 in the lab so I might give a 1
or 2 sessions about it.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Maning

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www.faunalia.it
Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953
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Hi,

I also like the idea of creating a standard set of beginner exercises for GRASS
and QGIS and I have also made the experience that QGIS is easier to teach in
beginner courses. There already exist a lot of documentation and other
material on several pages offering plenty of manuals, books and
tutorials/courses:

GRASS Documentation Project
-> http://grass.itc.it/gdp/index.php
GRASS 6 Tutorial
-> http://grass.gdf-hannover.de/wiki/Documents

QGIS User and Installation Guide
-> http://qgis.org/releases/userguide.pdf
-> http://qgis.org/releases/install.pdf

+ QGIS and GRASS Data, Howtos, Wiki ...

So what do you think is useful? Ready to go exercises and examples with
data for standardized training courses with standard certificates? This was
already discussed some time ago and is still important and interesting.

Maybe it would make sense to add further topics to existing material?

If we assume, that QGIS is prefered by most newcomers, we could start from
the QGIS side and include GRASS exercises partly via GRASS-Plugin?
There already exists an official user guide in latex within svn. So it can be
easily translated and converted into several formats (PDF, HTML, ...). We could
add a couple of new chapters with exercises for beginners.

For GRASS it seems to be more difficult. There is a lot more documentation and
material but mostly without relation to each other. We would probably have to
find a basis first and definde is as a standard.

what do you think?

best wishes,
  Otto

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:56:30 +0200
Paolo Cavallini <cavallini@faunalia.it> wrote:

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We are finding QGIS by far the best tool for introductory courses. The
GRASS plugin allows a smooth progress from simple coloured maps up into
the heaven of complex raster and vector analyses. The native compilation
on xp makes things even easier for novices.
The only serios problem now is the instability of qgis 0.8; I think we
need a good deal of effort to have a really stable and bugfree release.
I like the idea of a standard set of exercises. A wiki could be a good
starting point?
All the best.
pc

maning sambale ha scritto:
> Hi FOSS GIS users,
>
> I am a part-time instructor in a college teaching introductory gis
> course. I have been advocating for the use FOSS GIS (particularly
> GRASS and QGIS ) in our schools for the lab sessions.
> This is the second term I am doing this and have been reflecting on
> how did it go the first time.
>
> The objective of the course is for students to understand basic gis
> principles as well as practical applications in site planning, land
> use, ecology and business.
>
> Judging by the previous experience, it is a little bit difficult
> introducing the student FOSS GIS especially the linux way of doing
> things (CLI). We are using XP machines and most students probably
> know computers as MS windows only.
>
> Some are more interested in creating cool maps and not on the
> underlying spatial analysis techniques (i.e. r.mapcalc) that were
> used.
>
> I wrote the list to ask GRASS instructors on any ideas in making the
> course better. If you have any approaches/techniques/exercises you
> might want to share please do. I firmly believe using FOSS GIS
> especially in our country is very important. As a compromise though,
> a suggestion from this list was to also introduce them to propriety
> GIS package. We have a few arcview 3.2 in the lab so I might give a 1
> or 2 sessions about it.
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Maning
>

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Paolo Cavallini
email+jabber: cavallini@faunalia.it
www.faunalia.it
Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953
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On 10/6/06, Paolo Cavallini <cavallini@faunalia.it> wrote:

We are finding QGIS by far the best tool for introductory courses. The
GRASS plugin allows a smooth progress from simple coloured maps up into
the heaven of complex raster and vector analyses. The native compilation
on xp makes things even easier for novices.
The only serios problem now is the instability of qgis 0.8; I think we
need a good deal of effort to have a really stable and bugfree release.
I like the idea of a standard set of exercises. A wiki could be a good
starting point?

I wrote some recipes in GRASS/QGIS Cookbook:
http://wiki.qgis.org/qgiswiki/GrassCookbook
that was inteded for autodidacts, not for courses,
but hopefully some materials could be shared?

Radim

All the best.
pc

maning sambale ha scritto:
> Hi FOSS GIS users,
>
> I am a part-time instructor in a college teaching introductory gis
> course. I have been advocating for the use FOSS GIS (particularly
> GRASS and QGIS ) in our schools for the lab sessions.
> This is the second term I am doing this and have been reflecting on
> how did it go the first time.
>
> The objective of the course is for students to understand basic gis
> principles as well as practical applications in site planning, land
> use, ecology and business.
>
> Judging by the previous experience, it is a little bit difficult
> introducing the student FOSS GIS especially the linux way of doing
> things (CLI). We are using XP machines and most students probably
> know computers as MS windows only.
>
> Some are more interested in creating cool maps and not on the
> underlying spatial analysis techniques (i.e. r.mapcalc) that were
> used.
>
> I wrote the list to ask GRASS instructors on any ideas in making the
> course better. If you have any approaches/techniques/exercises you
> might want to share please do. I firmly believe using FOSS GIS
> especially in our country is very important. As a compromise though,
> a suggestion from this list was to also introduce them to propriety
> GIS package. We have a few arcview 3.2 in the lab so I might give a 1
> or 2 sessions about it.
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Maning
>

- --
Paolo Cavallini
email+jabber: cavallini@faunalia.it
www.faunalia.it
Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953
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My aim would be to have a complete online tutorial for QGIS/GRASS
that includes:

1. A general introduction to GIS concepts: layers, projections,
data types etc.

2. A general introduction to QGIS, GRASS and the QGIS-GRASS plugin

3. A text on data import and export for QGIS and GRASS

4. An advanced text on general geoprocessing with GRASS: details
of the topology model, DBMS connections, interpolations etc.

5. An introduction to GRASS shell scripting

6. Modules explaining the use of GRASS in different scenarios:
- environmental planning
- remote sensing
- archaeology
- 3D visualizaton (using Paraview)
- spatial statistics (using R)
- ...
these could also include exercises for use in class rooms.

7. a definitive reference version of QGIS and GRASS as native
Windows (perhaps also other OSs) to be used for the tutorial
instructions and exercises

8. add-ons with precompiled binaries for functionality needed
only for specific modules (e.g. archaeology)

9. sample data sets for all modules

*

I have draft texts for 1,2,3,4 (partly), 5 and would be willing to
contribute them. I would be also willing to write a tutorial module
on data processing with GRASS for archaeology.
But I do not have the time or resource to set up an appropriate
website and administer this.

I know this is sort of a lengthy list, but I feel that newcomers
to GRASS are currently facing a hard time trying to gather all of this
information and software together.

If we want GRASS to spread more quickly, we need to make access to
it easier!

Benjamin

Otto Dassau wrote:

Hi,

I also like the idea of creating a standard set of beginner exercises for GRASS
and QGIS and I have also made the experience that QGIS is easier to teach in beginner courses. There already exist a lot of documentation and other
material on several pages offering plenty of manuals, books and
tutorials/courses:

GRASS Documentation Project
-> http://grass.itc.it/gdp/index.php
GRASS 6 Tutorial
-> http://grass.gdf-hannover.de/wiki/Documents

QGIS User and Installation Guide
-> http://qgis.org/releases/userguide.pdf
-> http://qgis.org/releases/install.pdf

+ QGIS and GRASS Data, Howtos, Wiki ...

So what do you think is useful? Ready to go exercises and examples with
data for standardized training courses with standard certificates? This was
already discussed some time ago and is still important and interesting.

Maybe it would make sense to add further topics to existing material?

If we assume, that QGIS is prefered by most newcomers, we could start from the QGIS side and include GRASS exercises partly via GRASS-Plugin?
There already exists an official user guide in latex within svn. So it can be
easily translated and converted into several formats (PDF, HTML, ...). We could
add a couple of new chapters with exercises for beginners.

For GRASS it seems to be more difficult. There is a lot more documentation and
material but mostly without relation to each other. We would probably have to
find a basis first and definde is as a standard.

what do you think?

best wishes,
  Otto

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:56:30 +0200
Paolo Cavallini <cavallini@faunalia.it> wrote:

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We are finding QGIS by far the best tool for introductory courses. The
GRASS plugin allows a smooth progress from simple coloured maps up into
the heaven of complex raster and vector analyses. The native compilation
on xp makes things even easier for novices.
The only serios problem now is the instability of qgis 0.8; I think we
need a good deal of effort to have a really stable and bugfree release.
I like the idea of a standard set of exercises. A wiki could be a good
starting point?
All the best.
pc

maning sambale ha scritto:

Hi FOSS GIS users,

I am a part-time instructor in a college teaching introductory gis
course. I have been advocating for the use FOSS GIS (particularly
GRASS and QGIS ) in our schools for the lab sessions.
This is the second term I am doing this and have been reflecting on
how did it go the first time.

The objective of the course is for students to understand basic gis
principles as well as practical applications in site planning, land
use, ecology and business.

Judging by the previous experience, it is a little bit difficult
introducing the student FOSS GIS especially the linux way of doing
things (CLI). We are using XP machines and most students probably
know computers as MS windows only.

Some are more interested in creating cool maps and not on the
underlying spatial analysis techniques (i.e. r.mapcalc) that were
used.

I wrote the list to ask GRASS instructors on any ideas in making the
course better. If you have any approaches/techniques/exercises you
might want to share please do. I firmly believe using FOSS GIS
especially in our country is very important. As a compromise though,
a suggestion from this list was to also introduce them to propriety
GIS package. We have a few arcview 3.2 in the lab so I might give a 1
or 2 sessions about it.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Maning

- --
Paolo Cavallini
email+jabber: cavallini@faunalia.it
www.faunalia.it
Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953
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Institut für Ur- und Frühgeschichte
(Inst. of Prehistoric and Historic Archaeology)
Christian-Albrechts-Universität zu Kiel
Johanna-Mestorf-Straße 2-6
D 24098 Kiel
Germany

Tel.: ++49 (0)431 880-3378 / -3379
Fax : ++49 (0)431 880-7300
www.uni-kiel.de/ufg

Benjamin Ducke wrote:

My aim would be to have a complete online tutorial for QGIS/GRASS
that includes:

..

I have draft texts for 1,2,3,4 (partly), 5 and would be willing to
contribute them. I would be also willing to write a tutorial module
on data processing with GRASS for archaeology.

nice. Also some interesting tutorials in the GRASS newsletters.

But I do not have the time or resource to set up an appropriate
website and administer this.

The GRASS wiki site is a perfect place for this development.
(can it serve PDF, presentation attachments?)

Hamish

On 6-Oct-06, at 4:13 AM, Benjamin Ducke wrote:

My aim would be to have a complete online tutorial for QGIS/GRASS
that includes:

1. A general introduction to GIS concepts: layers, projections,
data types etc.

Good ideas. This above item is one obvious introduction that many other projects could also benefit from having available for their specific reference. If and when you have this started, I'll pass it around for others to include and contribute to (if needed). Would that fit with your goals/direction?

Tyler

Tyler Mitchell wrote:

> 1. A general introduction to GIS concepts: layers, projections,
> data types etc.

Good ideas. This above item is one obvious introduction that many
other projects could also benefit from having available for their
specific reference. If and when you have this started, I'll pass it
around for others to include and contribute to (if needed). Would
that fit with your goals/direction?

already started,

http://grass.gdf-hannover.de/wiki/GRASS_Help#First_Day_Documentation

"Basic GIS concepts"

Hamish

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:13:20 +1300
Hamish <hamish_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

Benjamin Ducke wrote:
> My aim would be to have a complete online tutorial for QGIS/GRASS
> that includes:
..
> I have draft texts for 1,2,3,4 (partly), 5 and would be willing to
> contribute them. I would be also willing to write a tutorial module
> on data processing with GRASS for archaeology.

nice. Also some interesting tutorials in the GRASS newsletters.

yes, that would be nice!

> But I do not have the time or resource to set up an appropriate
> website and administer this.

The GRASS wiki site is a perfect place for this development.
(can it serve PDF, presentation attachments?)

no, currently it doesn't support uploads, documents (pdf, images, ...) have
to be stored somewhere else.

regards,
Otto

Hamish

Otto Dassau wrote:

Also some interesting tutorials in the GRASS newsletters.

yes, that would be nice!

I meant we already have some in the already published GRASS newsletters.

Hamish

Otto Dassau wrote:

> > But I do not have the time or resource to set up an appropriate
> > website and administer this.
>
> The GRASS wiki site is a perfect place for this development.
> (can it serve PDF, presentation attachments?)

no, currently it doesn't support uploads, documents (pdf, images, ...)
have to be stored somewhere else.

create a quasi-liberal access area in gforce GRASS svn? or better,
create a new project on gforge for "open_gis_edu" or similar.
  http://wald.intevation.org/projects/grass/

Hamish

Hi,

Hamish schrieb:

Otto Dassau wrote:

But I do not have the time or resource to set up an appropriate
website and administer this.

The GRASS wiki site is a perfect place for this development.
(can it serve PDF, presentation attachments?)

no, currently it doesn't support uploads, documents (pdf, images, ...)
have to be stored somewhere else.

create a quasi-liberal access area in gforce GRASS svn? or better,
create a new project on gforge for "open_gis_edu" or similar.
  http://wald.intevation.org/projects/grass/

Thats a great idea.
Can we use this place to put video tutorials online?
I just created a very simple gui feature demo with grass63
to encourage all users and dev's to create video tutorials.

http://www-pool.math.tu-berlin.de/~soeren/grass/modules/screenshots/grass63feature_tour.html

It would be great to have many thematic video tutorials
to explain the basics and advanced features of grass.

Best regards
Soeren

Hamish

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I agree, a dedicated site for teaching open source GIS would
be the best idea, since there are so many components involved
here: GRASS, QGIS, R, PostgreSQL, ParaView, ...

I have attached a draft text about GRASS and QGIS for archaeologists.
It also contains a general introduction to GIS concepts and file
formats.

Obviously, it needs to be generalized, so that it applies to all
GIS users equalla, and there are still a lot of blanks to fill in.

But it's considerably more fleshed out than what is on the Wiki so
far. Maybe it's a start ...

Benjamin

Sören Gebbert wrote:

Hi,

Hamish schrieb:

Otto Dassau wrote:

But I do not have the time or resource to set up an appropriate
website and administer this.

The GRASS wiki site is a perfect place for this development.
(can it serve PDF, presentation attachments?)

no, currently it doesn't support uploads, documents (pdf, images, ...)
have to be stored somewhere else.

create a quasi-liberal access area in gforce GRASS svn? or better,
create a new project on gforge for "open_gis_edu" or similar.
  http://wald.intevation.org/projects/grass/

Thats a great idea.
Can we use this place to put video tutorials online?
I just created a very simple gui feature demo with grass63
to encourage all users and dev's to create video tutorials.

http://www-pool.math.tu-berlin.de/~soeren/grass/modules/screenshots/grass63feature_tour.html

It would be great to have many thematic video tutorials
to explain the basics and advanced features of grass.

Best regards
Soeren

Hamish

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Archäoinformatik
(Archaeoinformation Science)
Institut für Ur- und Frühgeschichte
(Inst. of Prehistoric and Historic Archaeology)
Christian-Albrechts-Universität zu Kiel
Johanna-Mestorf-Straße 2-6
D 24098 Kiel
Germany

Tel.: ++49 (0)431 880-3378 / -3379
Fax : ++49 (0)431 880-7300
www.uni-kiel.de/ufg

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[sorry for the mass-post; this probably deserves its own mailing list, or
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The Thread so far:
  http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.grass.user/15804

Benjamin Ducke wrote:

I agree, a dedicated site for teaching open source GIS would
be the best idea, since there are so many components involved
here: GRASS, QGIS, R, PostgreSQL, ParaView, ...

I have attached a draft text about GRASS and QGIS for archaeologists.
It also contains a general introduction to GIS concepts and file
formats.

I don't know how the various people who run these sites feel about it :),
but natural homes for Open-GIS-Edu documentation, video tutorials,
presentaions, PDFs, etc. could be:

OSGeo Library
  http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Library
  https://visibilitycommittee.osgeo.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList

A new open_gis_edu project on Intevation's Gforge server?
  http://wald.intevation.org/

A new open_gis_edu area at freegis.org? (again hosted by Intevation)
  http://freegis.org/database/index_html?cat=3&full=n&order=i

If large video files etc are to be uploaded, access must be restricted
to known folks/caretakers in a CVS or SVN (or similar) system and hosts
have to be generous enough to serve the bandwidth.

I think the GRASS wiki is a fine place to collect links, text documents
and small still images until such time something more formal is set up.

regards,
Hamish

Otto Dassau wrote:

But I do not have the time or resource to set up an appropriate
website and administer this.

The GRASS wiki site is a perfect place for this development.
(can it serve PDF, presentation attachments?)

no, currently it doesn't support uploads, documents (pdf, images,

...) >> have to be stored somewhere else.

create a quasi-liberal access area in gforce GRASS svn? or better,
create a new project on gforge for "open_gis_edu" or similar.
  http://wald.intevation.org/projects/grass/

Thats a great idea.
Can we use this place to put video tutorials online?
I just created a very simple gui feature demo with grass63
to encourage all users and dev's to create video tutorials.

http://www-pool.math.tu-berlin.de/~soeren/grass/modules/screenshots/grass63feature_tour.html

It would be great to have many thematic video tutorials
to explain the basics and advanced features of grass.

I would vote in favour of the third option, www.freegis.org

Hamish wrote:

[sorry for the mass-post; this probably deserves its own mailing list, or
be moved to the freegis.org mailing list ??]
  http://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list

The Thread so far:
  http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.grass.user/15804

Benjamin Ducke wrote:

I agree, a dedicated site for teaching open source GIS would
be the best idea, since there are so many components involved
here: GRASS, QGIS, R, PostgreSQL, ParaView, ...

I have attached a draft text about GRASS and QGIS for archaeologists.
It also contains a general introduction to GIS concepts and file
formats.

I don't know how the various people who run these sites feel about it :),
but natural homes for Open-GIS-Edu documentation, video tutorials,
presentaions, PDFs, etc. could be:

OSGeo Library
  http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Library
  https://visibilitycommittee.osgeo.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList

A new open_gis_edu project on Intevation's Gforge server?
  http://wald.intevation.org/

A new open_gis_edu area at freegis.org? (again hosted by Intevation)
  http://freegis.org/database/index_html?cat=3&full=n&order=i

If large video files etc are to be uploaded, access must be restricted
to known folks/caretakers in a CVS or SVN (or similar) system and hosts
have to be generous enough to serve the bandwidth.

I think the GRASS wiki is a fine place to collect links, text documents
and small still images until such time something more formal is set up.

regards,
Hamish

Otto Dassau wrote:

But I do not have the time or resource to set up an appropriate
website and administer this.

The GRASS wiki site is a perfect place for this development.
(can it serve PDF, presentation attachments?)

no, currently it doesn't support uploads, documents (pdf, images,

...) >> have to be stored somewhere else.

create a quasi-liberal access area in gforce GRASS svn? or better,
create a new project on gforge for "open_gis_edu" or similar.
http://wald.intevation.org/projects/grass/

Thats a great idea.
Can we use this place to put video tutorials online?
I just created a very simple gui feature demo with grass63
to encourage all users and dev's to create video tutorials.

http://www-pool.math.tu-berlin.de/~soeren/grass/modules/screenshots/grass63feature_tour.html

It would be great to have many thematic video tutorials
to explain the basics and advanced features of grass.

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