[GRASS-user] Two General Questions

   1) Can GRASS work with TINs for elevation determinations? I've not seen
anything about it, yet I've read that it has advantages over raster-based
DEMs for some purposes and wonder if there are any plans to accommodate this
data structure.

   2) Is there documentation on how to drape a bit-mapped image (specifically
from Google maps) over a shaded relief map? I know the downloaded .ps would
need to be converted to a bit-map format using 'convert', then georectified
with afine transformations, but it would certainly allow for impressive
presentations when the intended audience is non-technical. For my work,
impressive visuals is critical to accepting technical results.

Rich

Rich Shepard pisze:

  1) Can GRASS work with TINs for elevation determinations? I've not seen
anything about it, yet I've read that it has advantages over raster-based
DEMs for some purposes and wonder if there are any plans to accommodate this
data structure.

No

  2) Is there documentation on how to drape a bit-mapped image (specifically
from Google maps) over a shaded relief map?

d.rast -o see d.rast
I also suggest nviz and nviz documentation.

I also suggest you Open Source GIS a GRASS GIS approach by Marcus Neteler and Helena Mitasova

For my work,
impressive visuals is critical to accepting technical results.

nviz give you really impressive visuals with maximum resolution ppm images (require posterior GIMP post processing)
but please! read manual first.

J.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Jarek Jasiewicz wrote:

  1) Can GRASS work with TINs for elevation determinations? I've not seen
anything about it, yet I've read that it has advantages over raster-based
DEMs for some purposes and wonder if there are any plans to accommodate this
data structure.

No

   That's what I thought, Jarek.

d.rast -o see d.rast

   I completely forgot about the overlay switch. Thank you.

I also suggest nviz and nviz documentation.

   I'm working my way through the documentation and slowly learning how to
use nviz.

I also suggest you Open Source GIS a GRASS GIS approach by Marcus Neteler and Helena Mitasova

   Have the second edition which I've thoroughly read.

nviz give you really impressive visuals with maximum resolution ppm images
(require posterior GIMP post processing) but please! read manual first.

   I'll do more with this. All I did so far with the GIMP is crop the image.
Then I converted it to .jpg for inclusion in the LaTeX document.

   If you have suggestions for post-processing with the GIMP, I'd like to
learn them.

Rich

Rich Shepard pisze:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Jarek Jasiewicz wrote:

  1) Can GRASS work with TINs for elevation determinations? I've not seen
anything about it, yet I've read that it has advantages over raster-based
DEMs for some purposes and wonder if there are any plans to accommodate this
data structure.

No

  That's what I thought, Jarek.

d.rast -o see d.rast

  I completely forgot about the overlay switch. Thank you.

I also suggest nviz and nviz documentation.

  I'm working my way through the documentation and slowly learning how to
use nviz.

I also suggest you Open Source GIS a GRASS GIS approach by Marcus Neteler and Helena Mitasova

  Have the second edition which I've thoroughly read.

nviz give you really impressive visuals with maximum resolution ppm images
(require posterior GIMP post processing) but please! read manual first.

maximum resolution ppm will give you tiled image which must be joined

  I'll do more with this. All I did so far with the GIMP is crop the image.
Then I converted it to .jpg for inclusion in the LaTeX document.

  If you have suggestions for post-processing with the GIMP, I'd like to
learn them.

Rich
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Jarek Jasiewicz wrote:

maximum resolution ppm will give you tiled image which must be joined

   Thanks, Jarek. My one use of nviz so far did not require tiling. But, I
know future displays might need to be combined.

Rich

Jarek Jasiewicz wrote:

>> nviz give you really impressive visuals with maximum resolution ppm
>> images
>> (require posterior GIMP post processing) but please! read manual first.

maximum resolution ppm will give you tiled image which must be joined

Normally, NVIZ joins the tiles into a single large image (with pnmcat)
then deletes the tiles. But if the pnmcat command fails (e.g. because
pnmcat isn't installed), it doesn't delete the tiles, leaving the user
the option of joining them by some other means.

pnmcat is in the NetPBM package.

--
Glynn Clements <glynn@gclements.plus.com>

Glynn Clements pisze:

Jarek Jasiewicz wrote:

nviz give you really impressive visuals with maximum resolution ppm images
(require posterior GIMP post processing) but please! read manual first.
        

maximum resolution ppm will give you tiled image which must be joined
    
Normally, NVIZ joins the tiles into a single large image (with pnmcat)
then deletes the tiles. But if the pnmcat command fails (e.g. because
pnmcat isn't installed), it doesn't delete the tiles, leaving the user
the option of joining them by some other means.

pnmcat is in the NetPBM package.

thanks Glynn!
J.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Rich Shepard <rshepard@appl-ecosys.com> wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Jarek Jasiewicz wrote:

...

I also suggest you Open Source GIS a GRASS GIS approach by Marcus Neteler
and Helena Mitasova

Have the second edition which I've thoroughly read.

While the second edition was written for GRASS 5.x, the 3rd edition
is for 6.3 and later. We changed/updated about 60% of the content.
Perhaps your library can get it for you.

Markus

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, Markus Neteler wrote:

While the second edition was written for GRASS 5.x, the 3rd edition is for
6.3 and later. We changed/updated about 60% of the content. Perhaps your
library can get it for you.

Markus,

   I'm sure they can.

Thanks,

Rich

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, Markus Neteler wrote:

While the second edition was written for GRASS 5.x, the 3rd edition is for
6.3 and later. We changed/updated about 60% of the content. Perhaps your
library can get it for you.

Markus,

   The chapter on GRASS in the software section of the geomorphometry book is
excellent and slightly less current (version 6.2). The explanation of the
appropriate uses of the various hydrologic modules is particularly helpful;
you should extract that portion and make it available on the wiki.

   This brings up a topic that I'd like see addressed. There are a number of
GRASS users like me who are not in academia with a research focus on
algorithms or coding. We application users appreciate the efforts that have
been poured into GRASS over the past dozen or so years since I first started
to use it. But, we're not intimately familiar with the internals or the
mathematical foundations. Many of the questions I've posted on the mail
list, along with those of others, could have been answered by more attention
to the needs of those of us who apply GRASS modules without the insights
that you and other developers have. Perhaps a valid analogy would be using a
word processor to write documents without knowing the internals of the word
processing application.

   There's a lot of useful and clear explanation of how to use various GRASS
modules for predicting erosion. I'd like to see the same detail on
hydrologic and hydraulic modeling. There are many available modules
(r.basins.fill, r.carve, r.drain, r.fill.dir, r.flow, etc.) and it would be
helpful when starting (or getting back to) using GRASS to have documented
in what situations each is most appropriate. There are several that appear
to take different approaches to the same output map. Others, like r.topidx
and r.terraflow, seem to produce two distinct output maps. The former
calculates the topographic wetness index, the latter the topographic
convergence index. Is the TCI related to the tangental curvature?

   The details on computational choices and algorithms in the man pages are
invaluable. I'm suggestion that there be equal attention to the appropriate
applications of each one and, perhaps, guidance on interpretation. The man
pages are not the best place for this, the wiki is.

   The above is a suggestion that can flatten the learning curve for those
not intimately familiar with the application of GRASS. And, in my case, it
turns out that much change in terrain and hydrologic modeling has occurred
since I finished my academic career (a _long_ time ago) and my work has not
involved such modeling until this most recent project. I hope to build on
this renewed knowledge, but that all depends on the market.

Rich