[GRASS5] Debian

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One would expect the premier free GIS, GRASS,
to have an up to date shiny version for the premier free distribution,
Debian, of the premier free operating system, GNU/Linux.

Could it be that Grass core developers mostly use "other leading
brands"? No announcements of new items should be made until that item
is also nicely packaged and ready for debian.

Let's make the grass installation experience a simple "apt-get"
instead of an arduous "educational experience".

That um, I just happen to use Debian, is, um just a coincidence :slight_smile:

Anyway, as I run debian, and compiling grass 5.0.0 proved beyond me,
I will wait for the .deb,

H> FYI:
H> For the debian package of 5.0pre4, see http://packages.debian.org/grass

yeah, but that name sounds funny. Sounds like even the top grass
developers had problems making the current version work with
debian... so if even the top grass developers felt it too much of a
challenge to make a to compile on debian (and make the current .deb),
then you can expect that it would be an unreasonable challenge for an
average user.

H> For more about fetching the .debs from testing if you run stable, see:
H> http://op.gfz-potsdam.de/GRASS-List/Archive/msg07267.html

odd, grasslist messages as seen on
gmane.comp.gis.grass.user on gmane.org number only in the 5000's. OK, I'll check.

H> For some notes on compiling GRASS for debian, see:
H> http://bambi.otago.ac.nz/public/general/grass/compile_reqs_debian.txt
H> and
H> http://bambi.otago.ac.nz/public/general/grass/compile_5.0.0_debian.txt

H> Read the INSTALL file in the source package and search the grass mailing list
H> for 'debian' ... the process really isn't hard at all once you get the
H> ./configure line right and have all the required packages. Figuring that out

See, to be a grass user one also must be an expert in installation. I
bet an ARC/INFO user doesn't have to master that part. Ah, but grass
is free, so don't ask too much. Ah, but if the grass developers took
the tiny extra step of making a .deb too, that would save so many
potential users so much trouble.

H> is the hard part. (and is spelled out in the above links to bambi.otago.ac.nz)

OK, but it should be done once by an expert, (Mr. FOG?), and then the
rest of us could just get the .deb.

It seems the solution is for the core Grass developers to start using
debian... and make .debs for us...

BTW, lets say that there are .deb's available. But what happens when
you want to install a outside package, e.g. r.cva? would one need a
grass-devel .deb also?

Sorry for the 'demanding customer' Don Rickles emulation, "You owe me
something". I do it in all my posts :slight_smile:
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 07:39:56AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:

One would expect the premier free GIS, GRASS,
to have an up to date shiny version for the premier free distribution,
Debian, of the premier free operating system, GNU/Linux.

Could it be that Grass core developers mostly use "other leading
brands"? No announcements of new items should be made until that item
is also nicely packaged and ready for debian.

Let's make the grass installation experience a simple "apt-get"
instead of an arduous "educational experience".

That um, I just happen to use Debian, is, um just a coincidence :slight_smile:

You're welcome to help package 5.0 for Debian. It really isn't that
hard to compile from sources on Debian (I've been doing it for a few
years now. :wink: It's alot easier than it used to be (getting all the
dependencies is the biggest issue now).

--
"...the plural of anecdote is [not?] data." - attrib. to George Stigler

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On 29 Nov 2002, Dan Jacobson wrote:

One would expect the premier free GIS, GRASS,
to have an up to date shiny version for the premier free distribution,
Debian, of the premier free operating system, GNU/Linux.

First - if this is your itch, please scratch it!

Could it be that Grass core developers mostly use "other leading
brands"? No announcements of new items should be made until that item
is also nicely packaged and ready for debian.

Great to have an eager and well-informed volunteer! Welcome! The job is
yours!

Let's make the grass installation experience a simple "apt-get"
instead of an arduous "educational experience".

Sorry, educational experiences - like sports training - need to be arduous
if you actually need to achieve anything.

No GIS, absolutely including ArcGIS, is just about installing the
software. It involves from weeks to months of learning, so the couple of
hours needed to install say GRASS from source on Unix/Linux is a very
small proportion of the time needed. It is also about the same level that
is needed for comparable software (GMT, ATLAS, R, netCDF, HDF, SEADAS,
almost any community modelling software). In GRASS with the 5.0 release
you do admittedly have to specify a number of places
where library headers are kept (the number is much less now than it was -
thanks to hard work by volunteers!!). This is because GRASS interacts with
very many libraries, which are not necessarily the ones a user will
install, or which may not be installed in the same places. In R, it is a
FAQ that users install binaries, then wonder why the build train for
contributed packages doesn't work, say on Darwin or Solaris - because of
unsatisfied dependencies for header files or libraries that compilation
from source would have caught.

Finally, if you are off-line, say in most of the rest of the world where
many GRASS users work, with no high bandwidth network, installing packages
and their dependencies from the net isn't a viable option, I'm afraid,
though things are changing.

That um, I just happen to use Debian, is, um just a coincidence :slight_smile:

>> Anyway, as I run debian, and compiling grass 5.0.0 proved beyond me,
>> I will wait for the .deb,

H> FYI:
H> For the debian package of 5.0pre4, see http://packages.debian.org/grass

yeah, but that name sounds funny. Sounds like even the top grass
developers had problems making the current version work with
debian... so if even the top grass developers felt it too much of a
challenge to make a to compile on debian (and make the current .deb),
then you can expect that it would be an unreasonable challenge for an
average user.

Again, thanks for volunteering, contributions and commitment to support
are always welcome!

H> For more about fetching the .debs from testing if you run stable, see:
H> http://op.gfz-potsdam.de/GRASS-List/Archive/msg07267.html

odd, grasslist messages as seen on
gmane.comp.gis.grass.user on gmane.org number only in the 5000's. OK, I'll check.

H> For some notes on compiling GRASS for debian, see:
H> http://bambi.otago.ac.nz/public/general/grass/compile_reqs_debian.txt
H> and
H> http://bambi.otago.ac.nz/public/general/grass/compile_5.0.0_debian.txt

H> Read the INSTALL file in the source package and search the grass mailing list
H> for 'debian' ... the process really isn't hard at all once you get the
H> ./configure line right and have all the required packages. Figuring that out

See, to be a grass user one also must be an expert in installation. I
bet an ARC/INFO user doesn't have to master that part. Ah, but grass
is free, so don't ask too much. Ah, but if the grass developers took
the tiny extra step of making a .deb too, that would save so many
potential users so much trouble.

H> is the hard part. (and is spelled out in the above links to bambi.otago.ac.nz)

OK, but it should be done once by an expert, (Mr. FOG?), and then the
rest of us could just get the .deb.

It seems the solution is for the core Grass developers to start using
debian... and make .debs for us...

BTW, lets say that there are .deb's available. But what happens when
you want to install a outside package, e.g. r.cva? would one need a
grass-devel .deb also?

Sorry for the 'demanding customer' Don Rickles emulation, "You owe me
something". I do it in all my posts :slight_smile:

Dont apologise, there is something in it, just contribute!

Roger

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Economics and Business Administration, Breiviksveien 40, N-5045 Bergen,
Norway. voice: +47 55 95 93 55; fax +47 55 95 93 93
e-mail: Roger.Bivand@nhh.no

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On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 07:39:56AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:

One would expect the premier free GIS, GRASS,
to have an up to date shiny version for the premier free distribution,
Debian, of the premier free operating system, GNU/Linux.

Could it be that Grass core developers mostly use "other leading
brands"?

You can use the rpms of the FreeGIS CD which install nicely on Debian.

E.G.:

http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/misc/freegis/intevation/freegis/gnu-linux-i586/updates/

http://freegis.org/FreeGIS-CD-doc-online/1.2.1/requirements.en.html
  Successfully tested for:

  Debian 3.0: all packages

http://freegis.org/FreeGIS-CD-doc-online/1.2.1/installation.en.html

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Dan Jacobson wrote:

One would expect the premier free GIS, GRASS,
to have an up to date shiny version for the premier free distribution,
Debian, of the premier free operating system, GNU/Linux.

Grass packages are availble in Mandrake 9.0 contrib, so you needn't
worry ;-).

(BTW, Mandrake is just as free as Debian ... for those who don't know).

Could it be that Grass core developers mostly use "other leading
brands"? No announcements of new items should be made until that item
is also nicely packaged and ready for debian.

Let's make the grass installation experience a simple "apt-get"
instead of an arduous "educational experience".

That um, I just happen to use Debian, is, um just a coincidence :slight_smile:

Run Mandrake 9.0, and you can:

# urpmi grass
Then, click the menu icon ..

In fact, I even have grass-5.0.0 RPMs for 8.2 that are urpmi-able, but
Mandrake 9.0 Powerpack/DVD will have them on the media, otherwise setup
a contrib source for urpmi.

Regards,
Buchan

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