Dear developers,
Glynn Clements has tagged "release_30_08_2002_grass5_0_0" for
us, at time the packaging of GRASS 5.0.0 is running (source code
and GNU/Linux-x86 binaries) here.
Tomorrow morning (Central European time) we should have
the stable GRASS 5.0.0 release in our hands!
Every problem reported then may be solved in 5.0.1.
Cheers,
Markus
Sounds good, maybe we should prepare a press release
and a schedule for its release. Okay, first draft:
Trento, 4.9.2002
DRAFT _NOT_ _FOR_ _DISTRIBUTION_
First stable GRASS 5 release.
Today the GRASS Development team under leadership of Markus Neteler
released the first stable version of the fifths generation of
the famous Free Software Geographic Information System.
The sources of the new 5.0.0 version and further information
can be found on grass.itc.it and several mirrors.
GRASS 5 compared to GRASS 4 represents the first major change
in GRASS functionality in several years, with the most notable
change being support for floating point and null values. GRASS 5 also
has a new and much easier to use windows interface based on Tcl/Tk.
Several beta and pre release of GRASS 5 have been available in the past.
Developers believe that 5.0.0 has proven itself stable enough to
justify a wide audience release.
"This release was long in coming, because the GRASS source code base
is huge.", explains the team coordinator Markus Neteler,
"In the last years GRASS also completely changed the development model
adopting an open volenteer driven process and fully going the
Free Software way."
"This is a milestone release", reveals Professor Helena Mitasova from the
North Carolina State University, "Markus Neteler has successfully coordinated
many developers to undertake this huge endevour. ".
Contact information:
Europe:
Markus Neteler <neteler@itc.it>
(Requests in German, English)
...
North America:
Helena Mitasova
...
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 06:42:24PM +0200, Markus Neteler wrote:
Glynn Clements has tagged "release_30_08_2002_grass5_0_0" for
us, at time the packaging of GRASS 5.0.0 is running (source code
and GNU/Linux-x86 binaries) here.Tomorrow morning (Central European time) we should have
the stable GRASS 5.0.0 release in our hands!Every problem reported then may be solved in 5.0.1.
Bernhard Reiter wrote:
GRASS 5 also has a new and much easier to use windows interface
based on Tcl/Tk.
Note: tcltkgrass was present in GRASS 4.3.
--
Glynn Clements <glynn.clements@virgin.net>
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 07:22:12PM +0100, Glynn Clements wrote:
Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> GRASS 5 also has a new and much easier to use windows interface
> based on Tcl/Tk.Note: tcltkgrass was present in GRASS 4.3.
I've copied this sentence from:
http://grass.itc.it/grass5/index.html
What's new in GRASS 5.x?
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 08:34:05PM +0200, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 07:22:12PM +0100, Glynn Clements wrote:
>
> Bernhard Reiter wrote:
>
> > GRASS 5 also has a new and much easier to use windows interface
> > based on Tcl/Tk.
>
> Note: tcltkgrass was present in GRASS 4.3.I've copied this sentence from:
http://grass.itc.it/grass5/index.html
What's new in GRASS 5.x?
This page obviously evolved from a 4.x page... I have fixed that
sentence.
In general above page should be heavily improved for the stable
release and possibly contain a subsection:
"What's not supported in 5.0.0 but will be present in 5.0.1"
- general datum transformation support?
- initial i18N support?
- other changes waiting in CVS HEAD
This may lower potential confusion.
Markus
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:06:22PM +0200, Markus Neteler wrote:
In general above page should be heavily improved for the stable
release and possibly contain a subsection:"What's not supported in 5.0.0 but will be present in 5.0.1"
Better call it:
Feature roadmap for future 5.0.x releases:
- general datum transformation support?
- initial i18N support?
- other changes waiting in CVS HEAD
Hi,
before moving the packages onto the GRASS web site
I were glad if some people could take another look
at the new packages:
http://mpa.itc.it/markus/grass5.0.0/
grass5.0.0_i686-pc-linux-gnu_bin.tar.gz
grass5.0.0_src.tar.gz
nviz_postgresql_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
pngdriver24_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
The extra 24-bit PNG driver is compiled now against
GD 2.x and PNG.2 *without* hardcoded paths (thanks to
Glynn to explain the tricks to me).
All packages above are generated with my build-script
without manual interaction.
Meanwhile we can renovate the grass5 page and finish the
press release.
Markus
Of course I forgot to copy the install script.
Stay tuned please,
Markus
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:43:00AM +0200, Markus Neteler wrote:
Hi,
before moving the packages onto the GRASS web site
I were glad if some people could take another look
at the new packages:http://mpa.itc.it/markus/grass5.0.0/
grass5.0.0_i686-pc-linux-gnu_bin.tar.gz
grass5.0.0_src.tar.gz
nviz_postgresql_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
pngdriver24_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gzThe extra 24-bit PNG driver is compiled now against
GD 2.x and PNG.2 *without* hardcoded paths (thanks to
Glynn to explain the tricks to me).All packages above are generated with my build-script
without manual interaction.Meanwhile we can renovate the grass5 page and finish the
press release.Markus
_______________________________________________
grass5 mailing list
grass5@grass.itc.it
http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass5
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:43:00AM +0200, Markus Neteler wrote:
Hi,
before moving the packages onto the GRASS web site
I were glad if some people could take another look
at the new packages:
well, now also the install script is arrived (sorry).
Markus
grass5.0.0_i686-pc-linux-gnu_bin.tar.gz
grass5.0.0_src.tar.gz
nviz_postgresql_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
pngdriver24_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gzThe extra 24-bit PNG driver is compiled now against
GD 2.x and PNG.2 *without* hardcoded paths (thanks to
Glynn to explain the tricks to me).All packages above are generated with my build-script
without manual interaction.Meanwhile we can renovate the grass5 page and finish the
press release.Markus
_______________________________________________
grass5 mailing list
grass5@grass.itc.it
http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass5
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I've tried the binary with some basic commands (d.mon, d.rast, d.vect,
g.region, d.dm, 24-bit pngdriver, d.erase), and have detected no
problems so far.
Moritz
Markus Neteler <neteler@itc.it> writes:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:43:00AM +0200, Markus Neteler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> before moving the packages onto the GRASS web site
> I were glad if some people could take another look
> at the new packages:
>
> http://mpa.itc.it/markus/grass5.0.0/well, now also the install script is arrived (sorry).
Markus
> grass5.0.0_i686-pc-linux-gnu_bin.tar.gz
> grass5.0.0_src.tar.gz
> nviz_postgresql_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
> pngdriver24_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
>
> The extra 24-bit PNG driver is compiled now against
> GD 2.x and PNG.2 *without* hardcoded paths (thanks to
> Glynn to explain the tricks to me).
>
> All packages above are generated with my build-script
> without manual interaction.
>
> Meanwhile we can renovate the grass5 page and finish the
> press release.
>
> Markus
>
> _______________________________________________
> grass5 mailing list
> grass5@grass.itc.it
> http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass5_______________________________________________
grass5 mailing list
grass5@grass.itc.it
http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass5
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Markus Neteler wrote:
| Hi,
|
| before moving the packages onto the GRASS web site
| I were glad if some people could take another look
| at the new packages:
|
| http://mpa.itc.it/markus/grass5.0.0/
|
| grass5.0.0_i686-pc-linux-gnu_bin.tar.gz
| grass5.0.0_src.tar.gz
| nviz_postgresql_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
| pngdriver24_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
|
Is the source-tarball final enough to go into Mandrake contribs
(currently has pre5)? I don't think there is much time for me to work on
this (less than a week), so I would prefer ont to package if it's not
final, Mandrake is frozen solid (release manager approval for apps in
main), but contribs not quite yet. And I may just be able to squeeze gd2 in.
Also, what is the issue with nviz vs postgres? Atm, I am compiling the
Mandrake grass package with everything (nviz, pg, odbc, blas, lapack etc).
Regards,
Buchan
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Hash: SHA1Markus Neteler wrote:
| Hi,
|
| before moving the packages onto the GRASS web site
| I were glad if some people could take another look
| at the new packages:
|
| http://mpa.itc.it/markus/grass5.0.0/
|
| grass5.0.0_i686-pc-linux-gnu_bin.tar.gz
| grass5.0.0_src.tar.gz
| nviz_postgresql_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
| pngdriver24_i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
|Is the source-tarball final enough to go into Mandrake contribs
(currently has pre5)?
yes, we won't change anything. I just want to know if my
packaging was correct (not to miss files or whatever could
happen).
I don't think there is much time for me to work on
this (less than a week), so I would prefer ont to package if it's not
final, Mandrake is frozen solid (release manager approval for apps in
main), but contribs not quite yet. And I may just be able to squeeze gd2 in.
Good.
Also, what is the issue with nviz vs postgres? Atm, I am compiling the
Mandrake grass package with everything (nviz, pg, odbc, blas, lapack etc).
The standard package should have NVIZ without postgres. But I have compiled
an extra package (see above) only containing NVIZ with postgres support.
Regards
Markus
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Markus Neteler wrote:
| The standard package should have NVIZ without postgres. But I have
compiled
| an extra package (see above) only containing NVIZ with postgres support.
OK, I have compiled nviz with postgres, is there any problem with this
(besides dependency on postgres libs, which we can live with)? I haven't
gotten around to subpackages anyway, which would be the only viable way
to provide with and without postgres support.
OK, downloading source now ...
Thanks,
Buchan
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On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 06:58:36PM +0200, Markus Neteler wrote:
yes, we won't change anything. I just want to know if my
packaging was correct (not to miss files or whatever could
happen).
If we don't change anything anymore ..
it means it is published?
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 07:22:41PM +0200, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 06:58:36PM +0200, Markus Neteler wrote:
> yes, we won't change anything. I just want to know if my
> packaging was correct (not to miss files or whatever could
> happen).If we don't change anything anymore ..
it means it is published?
Well, let's put it into the right place when the press release is
ready and the web pages as well.
Markus
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 07:21:13PM +0200, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
Sounds good, maybe we should prepare a press release
and a schedule for its release. Okay, first draft:
I won't be able to work on the press release in the next days.
Somebody else has to pick it up.
Update thanks to Helena and Moritz:
Trento, 4.9.2002
DRAFT _NOT_ _FOR_ _DISTRIBUTION_
First stable GRASS 5 release.
Today the GRASS Development team under leadership of Markus Neteler
released the first stable version of the fifth generation of
the famous Free Software Geographic Information System.
The sources of the new 5.0.0 version and further information
can be found on grass.itc.it and several mirrors.
GRASS 5 compared to GRASS 4 represents the first major change
in GRASS functionality in several years, with the most notable
change being support for floating point and null values. GRASS 5 also
has a new and much easier to use windows interface based on Tcl/Tk.
Several beta and pre release of GRASS 5 have been available in the past.
Developers believe that 5.0.0 has proven itself stable enough to
justify a wide audience release.
"This release was long in coming, because the GRASS source code base
is huge.", explains the team coordinator Markus Neteler,
"In the last years GRASS also completely changed the development model
adopting an open volunteer driven process and fully going the
Free Software way."
"This is a milestone release", reveals Professor Helena Mitasova from the
North Carolina State University, "Markus Neteler has successfully coordinated
many developers to undertake this huge endevour." Professor Mitasova
views the new GRASS 5.0 as a geospatial research environment which provides
solid core functionality and encourages experiments and innovation.
Contact information:
Europe:
Markus Neteler <neteler@itc.it>
(Requests in German, English)
...
North America:
Helena Mitasova
...
Some suggested mods to the press release:
==============================================
Trento, 4.9.2002
DRAFT _NOT_ _FOR_ _DISTRIBUTION_
First Stable Release - GRASS 5 Free Geographic Information System.
Today the GRASS Development team led by Markus Neteler
released the first stable version (5.0.0) of the well known GRASS
Geographic Information System.
Grass 5 is free software, the sources of which can be found on grass.itc.it
and several mirrors along with further information. In addition to
traditional Unix platforms such as Linux, Solaris and IRIX, Grass 5 also
runs under Microsoft Windows (R) and Apple Macintosh OS-X (R).
This new version is the first major change in GRASS functionality since
GRASS 4 was released several years ago. Notable improvements include
support for floating point and null values. Users can opt to use a new
windowing interface based on Tcl/Tk on those platforms supporting X Windows.
A successful series of beta and pre-releases of GRASS 5 over the last two
years has shown the software sufficiently stable to justify a wider audience
release in the view of developers and users alike.
"This release was long in coming, because the GRASS source code base
is huge." explains the team coordinator Markus Neteler. "In the last few
years GRASS also completely changed the development model adopting an open
volunteer driven process and fully going the Free Software way."
"This is a milestone release." reveals Professor Helena Mitasova from the
North Carolina State University. "Markus Neteler has successfully
coordinated many developers to undertake this huge endevour." Professor
Mitasova views the new GRASS 5.0 as a geospatial research environment which
provides solid core functionality and encourages experiments and innovation.
Contact information:
Europe:
Markus Neteler <neteler@itc.it>
(Requests in German, English)
...
North America:
Helena Mitasova
...
==============================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernhard Reiter" <bernhard@intevation.de>
To: "grass5 developers list" <grass5@grass.itc.it>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:20 AM
Subject: Press release draft (was: [GRASS5] GRASS 5.0.0 to be released now)
I slightly modified (and fixed spelling) in what I have to say.
I have also added Baylor University, and ibiblio but feel free to skip
it if you think
that it should not be there (given the fact that the Baylor site may be
outdated).
I used the latest Mike's version as it reads better.
Helena
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First Stable Release - GRASS 5 Free Geographic Information System.
Today the GRASS Development team led by Markus Neteler
released the first stable version (5.0.0) of the well known GRASS
Geographic Information System.
Grass 5 is a free software, the sources of which can be found on
grass.itc.it
and several mirrors along with further information.
The mirror sites include the Baylor University site (grass.baylor.edu)
and grass.ibiblio.org in the USA.
In addition to traditional Unix platforms such as Linux, Solaris and
IRIX,
Grass 5 also runs under Microsoft Windows (R) and Apple Macintosh OS-X
(R).
This new version is the first major change in GRASS functionality since
GRASS 4 was released several years ago. Notable improvements include
support for floating point and null values. Users can opt to use a new
windowing interface based on Tcl/Tk on those platforms supporting X
Windows.
A successful series of beta and pre-releases of GRASS 5 over the last
two
years has shown the software sufficiently stable to justify a wider
audience
release in the view of developers and users alike.
"This release was long in coming, because the GRASS source code base
is huge." explains the team coordinator Markus Neteler. "In the last few
years GRASS also completely changed the development model adopting an
open
volunteer driven process and fully going the Free Software way."
"This is a milestone release." reveals Professor Helena Mitasova of
North Carolina State University. "Markus Neteler has successfully
coordinated many developers to undertake this huge endeavor."
Professor Mitasova views GRASS 5.0 as a unique
geospatial research environment which encourages experiments and
innovation.
Mike Thomas wrote:
Some suggested mods to the press release:
==============================================
Trento, 4.9.2002
DRAFT _NOT_ _FOR_ _DISTRIBUTION_First Stable Release - GRASS 5 Free Geographic Information System.
Today the GRASS Development team led by Markus Neteler
released the first stable version (5.0.0) of the well known GRASS
Geographic Information System.Grass 5 is free software, the sources of which can be found on grass.itc.it
and several mirrors along with further information. In addition to
traditional Unix platforms such as Linux, Solaris and IRIX, Grass 5 also
runs under Microsoft Windows (R) and Apple Macintosh OS-X (R).This new version is the first major change in GRASS functionality since
GRASS 4 was released several years ago. Notable improvements include
support for floating point and null values. Users can opt to use a new
windowing interface based on Tcl/Tk on those platforms supporting X Windows.A successful series of beta and pre-releases of GRASS 5 over the last two
years has shown the software sufficiently stable to justify a wider audience
release in the view of developers and users alike."This release was long in coming, because the GRASS source code base
is huge." explains the team coordinator Markus Neteler. "In the last few
years GRASS also completely changed the development model adopting an open
volunteer driven process and fully going the Free Software way.""This is a milestone release." reveals Professor Helena Mitasova from the
North Carolina State University. "Markus Neteler has successfully
coordinated many developers to undertake this huge endevour." Professor
Mitasova views the new GRASS 5.0 as a geospatial research environment which
provides solid core functionality and encourages experiments and innovation.Contact information:
Europe:
Markus Neteler <neteler@itc.it>
(Requests in German, English)
...North America:
Helena Mitasova
...==============================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernhard Reiter" <bernhard@intevation.de>
To: "grass5 developers list" <grass5@grass.itc.it>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:20 AM
Subject: Press release draft (was: [GRASS5] GRASS 5.0.0 to be released now)_______________________________________________
grass5 mailing list
grass5@grass.itc.it
http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass5
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Helena wrote:
I slightly modified (and fixed spelling) in what I have to say.
I have also added Baylor University, and ibiblio but feel free to skip
it if you think
that it should not be there (given the fact that the Baylor site may be
outdated).
I used the latest Mike's version as it reads better.
Having followed the versions so far, I think that this one is the one to
go with. I wonder whether "Grass 5 is a free software, the sources of
which ..." could be: "Grass 5 is free software, released under GNU General
Public License, the sources of which ...", as on the website first
paragraph? Perhaps also instead of: "Grass 5 also runs under Microsoft
Windows (R) ... " - "Grass 5 also runs under Microsoft Windows (R) using
the cygwin tools, ..." to avoid looking like a native port. Isn't OSX also
just Darwin? The rationale for the qualification would be to avoid
disappointing people who might expect more than is on offer.
Roger
Helena
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First Stable Release - GRASS 5 Free Geographic Information System.
Today the GRASS Development team led by Markus Neteler
released the first stable version (5.0.0) of the well known GRASS
Geographic Information System.Grass 5 is a free software, the sources of which can be found on
grass.itc.it
and several mirrors along with further information.
The mirror sites include the Baylor University site (grass.baylor.edu)
and grass.ibiblio.org in the USA.
In addition to traditional Unix platforms such as Linux, Solaris and
IRIX,
Grass 5 also runs under Microsoft Windows (R) and Apple Macintosh OS-X
(R).This new version is the first major change in GRASS functionality since
GRASS 4 was released several years ago. Notable improvements include
support for floating point and null values. Users can opt to use a new
windowing interface based on Tcl/Tk on those platforms supporting X
Windows.A successful series of beta and pre-releases of GRASS 5 over the last
two
years has shown the software sufficiently stable to justify a wider
audience
release in the view of developers and users alike."This release was long in coming, because the GRASS source code base
is huge." explains the team coordinator Markus Neteler. "In the last few
years GRASS also completely changed the development model adopting an
open
volunteer driven process and fully going the Free Software way.""This is a milestone release." reveals Professor Helena Mitasova of
North Carolina State University. "Markus Neteler has successfully
coordinated many developers to undertake this huge endeavor."
Professor Mitasova views GRASS 5.0 as a unique
geospatial research environment which encourages experiments and
innovation.Mike Thomas wrote:
>
> Some suggested mods to the press release:
>
> ==============================================
> Trento, 4.9.2002
> DRAFT _NOT_ _FOR_ _DISTRIBUTION_
>
> First Stable Release - GRASS 5 Free Geographic Information System.
>
> Today the GRASS Development team led by Markus Neteler
> released the first stable version (5.0.0) of the well known GRASS
> Geographic Information System.
>
> Grass 5 is free software, the sources of which can be found on grass.itc.it
> and several mirrors along with further information. In addition to
> traditional Unix platforms such as Linux, Solaris and IRIX, Grass 5 also
> runs under Microsoft Windows (R) and Apple Macintosh OS-X (R).
>
> This new version is the first major change in GRASS functionality since
> GRASS 4 was released several years ago. Notable improvements include
> support for floating point and null values. Users can opt to use a new
> windowing interface based on Tcl/Tk on those platforms supporting X Windows.
>
> A successful series of beta and pre-releases of GRASS 5 over the last two
> years has shown the software sufficiently stable to justify a wider audience
> release in the view of developers and users alike.
>
> "This release was long in coming, because the GRASS source code base
> is huge." explains the team coordinator Markus Neteler. "In the last few
> years GRASS also completely changed the development model adopting an open
> volunteer driven process and fully going the Free Software way."
>
> "This is a milestone release." reveals Professor Helena Mitasova from the
> North Carolina State University. "Markus Neteler has successfully
> coordinated many developers to undertake this huge endevour." Professor
> Mitasova views the new GRASS 5.0 as a geospatial research environment which
> provides solid core functionality and encourages experiments and innovation.
>
> Contact information:
>
> Europe:
> Markus Neteler <neteler@itc.it>
> (Requests in German, English)
> ...
>
> North America:
> Helena Mitasova
> ...
>
> ==============================================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernhard Reiter" <bernhard@intevation.de>
> To: "grass5 developers list" <grass5@grass.itc.it>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:20 AM
> Subject: Press release draft (was: [GRASS5] GRASS 5.0.0 to be released now)
>
> _______________________________________________
> grass5 mailing list
> grass5@grass.itc.it
> http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass5_______________________________________________
grass5 mailing list
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Economics and Business Administration, Breiviksveien 40, N-5045 Bergen,
Norway. voice: +47 55 95 93 55; fax +47 55 95 93 93
e-mail: Roger.Bivand@nhh.no
and: Department of Geography and Regional Development, University of
Gdansk, al. Mar. J. Pilsudskiego 46, PL-81 378 Gdynia, Poland.
Roger Bivand wrote:
Perhaps also instead of: "Grass 5 also runs under Microsoft
Windows (R) ... " - "Grass 5 also runs under Microsoft Windows (R) using
the cygwin tools, ..." to avoid looking like a native port. Isn't OSX also
just Darwin? The rationale for the qualification would be to avoid
disappointing people who might expect more than is on offer.
Agreed.
Personally, I think that the "Windows/Cygwin support" should be
qualified further. It's still somewhat "experimental" (IOW, flaky),
and is likely to remain so until the issues of:
a) spaces in filenames, and
b) using tcltkgrass with Cygwin's Tcl/Tk package
are resolved.
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Glynn Clements <glynn.clements@virgin.net>