[GRASS5] [jberry@innovativegis.com: MapCalc trade name]

Hi developers,

some severe problem is attached.
What's your opinion?

We have to react urgently!

Markus
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Institute of Physical Geography and Landscape Ecology
Schneiderberg 50 * D-30167 Hannover * Germany
Tel: ++49-(0)511-762-4494 Fax: -3984

Markus:

I guess that r.mapcalc is more like a function name within the GRASS
environment than a specific brand name as such. Our "brand" is GRASS, and
the question of replying to the MapCalc issue also raises "our" rights to
the GRASS trade name. There must be some advice to be had for Open Source
projects in general - does the agreement between CERL and the GRASS
community give us a lead - maybe even the MapCalc thing is already
answered in that document. Is it online?

A side issue is that the MAP code is also extant or replicated in OSUNAP,
and through MAP II, in Map Factory and its successor MF Works, a good and
intuitive raster system we've used for teaching for years on Macs. So I
think that the issue here is that this company would like to use MapCalc
as a trade name, and are being professional in finding out whether this is
a problem for us. I think that is laudable, and maybe a concilatory answer
may help to build bridges (thinking aloud - they might like to have their
database files at least readable by GDAL for r.in.gdal, so that scholars
could use r.mapcalc in GRASS to replicate/verify what the closed code
commercial product is doing). So if the CERL agreement isn't a problem,
I'd suggest a friendly tone and finding things in common.

We still need to secure the GRASS trade name, though, don't we? Maybe it
is appropriately protected? Is this an issue?

Roger

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Economics and Business Administration, Breiviksveien 40, N-5045 Bergen,
Norway. voice: +47 55 95 93 55; fax +47 55 95 93 93
e-mail: Roger.Bivand@nhh.no
and: Department of Geography and Regional Development, University of
Gdansk, al. Mar. J. Pilsudskiego 46, PL-81 378 Gdynia, Poland.

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On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 10:45:24AM +0200, Roger Bivand wrote:

Markus:

I guess that r.mapcalc is more like a function name within the GRASS
environment than a specific brand name as such. Our "brand" is GRASS, and
the question of replying to the MapCalc issue also raises "our" rights to
the GRASS trade name. There must be some advice to be had for Open Source
projects in general - does the agreement between CERL and the GRASS
community give us a lead - maybe even the MapCalc thing is already
answered in that document. Is it online?

This document should be available at Baylor University.
I haven't seen it yet. Bruce, could you make it available for the
developers?

A side issue is that the MAP code is also extant or replicated in OSUNAP,
and through MAP II, in Map Factory and its successor MF Works, a good and
intuitive raster system we've used for teaching for years on Macs. So I
think that the issue here is that this company would like to use MapCalc
as a trade name, and are being professional in finding out whether this is
a problem for us. I think that is laudable, and maybe a concilatory answer
may help to build bridges (thinking aloud - they might like to have their
database files at least readable by GDAL for r.in.gdal, so that scholars
could use r.mapcalc in GRASS to replicate/verify what the closed code
commercial product is doing). So if the CERL agreement isn't a problem,
I'd suggest a friendly tone and finding things in common.

We still need to secure the GRASS trade name, though, don't we? Maybe it
is appropriately protected? Is this an issue?

As far as I know "GRASS" is a registered trademark by CERL. At least
this is stated in GRASS Prog. Manual (I have to search for the page).
And it was in the GRASS 4.x entry screen. We should take over this
trademark for the "GRASS Development Team" as successor of the CERL
issues (if that's possible from the legal side) to protect the term.
Or can we involve the FSF somehow (www.fsf.org)?

Thanks for your comments, Roger!

Markus

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Hi all,

I just checked the U.S. trademark and patents server:
US Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS)

The GRASS page is:
http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=8ecrj1.6.1

(TARR contains current status, correspondence address and attorney of record
for this mark. Use the "Back" button of the
                                  Internet Browser to return to TESS)

Typed Drawing

Word Mark
               THE GEOGRAPHICAL RESOURCE ANALYSIS SUPPORT SYSTEM - GRASS
Goods and Services
               (ABANDONED) IC 009. US 038. G & S: image processing and
geographic information system software. FIRST USE:
               19841201. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19850901
Mark Drawing Code
               (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number
               74265526
Filing Date
               April 8, 1992
Owner
               (APPLICANT) U. S. Army Construction Engineering Research
Laboratory FEDERAL AGENCY ILLINOIS P.O. Box 9005
               Champaign ILLINOIS 618269005
Type of Mark
               TRADEMARK
Register
               PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator
               DEAD
Abandonment Date
               January 19, 1993

This indicates we should become active here!
Strange, they abandoned it before withdrawing the development...

Regards

Markus

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Markus Neteler wrote:

some severe problem is attached.
What's your opinion?

Markus and group:

  I know of Joe Berry and we've exchanged cummunications in the past; I read
his columns in the GIS mags and I have his books. So, I have tremendous
respect for him, Dana, and their products.

  I'm not a trademark attorney, and I know that we all want to avoid an
expensive and unnecessary legal battle. I have two thoughts to offer:

  1) I believe there is a difference between a product named "MapCalc"
(however it is capitalized) and the GRASS module "r.mapcalc" that is a
compnonet of a product. If the argument is presented that someone could be
confused between the two, that confused person is demonstrably too stupid to
be using GIS software, regardless of name. This is, in my opinion, analagous
to someone trademarking a software product named "Save" and wanting every
other software product that uses that word in a menu to change.

  Reminds me of the Lotus look-and-feel suit against Borland for QuattroPro.

  In short, I don't think it's an issue. Berry's progeny is being renamed in
its entirety while the GRASS module is one of several hundred components of
a product with a completely different name.

  2) If push comes to shove, it is possible that the existence of GRASS's
"r.mapcalc" for many years (almonst a decade) predates the trademark
application of the entire GIS package now being renamed "MapCalc". I'm sure
that an attorney could provide a strong legal argument that the prior use
establishes GRASS's right to the name.

  But, overall, I think the reasoning in my point 1 is the most important:
there is no potential legal conflict between a long-existing component named
"r.mapcalc" and a product being renamed in its entirety to "MapCalc". I hope
that Dr. Berry and crew agree that this is a petty and non-significant
issue. I hope that they have more meaningful ways to spend their time.

Rich

Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President

                       Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
              Making environmentally-responsible mining happen. (SM)
                       --------------------------------
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+ 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | rshepard@appl-ecosys.com

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Markus,
  Do you think the FSF would maintain the Trademark for GRASS if
asked? If there's money required (undoubtedly), I think it could be
raised.

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It appears that CERL applied in April 1992, but never replied to a
question sent in July, with the result that the application was abandoned
in April 1993.

This from the TARR whatever - a click on from TESS:

Thank you for your request. Here are the latest results from the TARR web
server.

Serial Number: 74265526

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark (words only): THE GEOGRAPHICAL RESOURCE ANALYSIS SUPPORT SYSTEM -
GRASS

Current Status: Abandoned: Applicant failed to respond to an Office
action.

Date of Status: 1993-04-02

Filing Date: 1992-04-08

Registration Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)

Law Office Assigned: TMEO Law Office # 03

                                             CURRENT APPLICANT(S)/OWNER(S)

1. U. S. Army Construction Engineering Research Laboratory

                                                  GOODS AND/OR SERVICES

image processing and geographic information system software

                                                   PROSECUTION HISTORY

1993-04-02 - ABANDONMENT - FAILURE TO RESPOND

1992-07-17 - NON-FINAL ACTION MAILED

1992-06-25 - ASSIGNED TO EXAMINER

                                                  CONTACT INFORMATION

Address:
U. S. Army Construction Engineering
Research Laboratory
P.O. Box 9005
Champaign, IL 61826-9005
US

So they never followed through.

Roger

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Economic Geography Section, Department of Economics, Norwegian School of
Economics and Business Administration, Breiviksveien 40, N-5045 Bergen,
Norway. voice: +47 55 95 93 55; fax +47 55 95 93 93
e-mail: Roger.Bivand@nhh.no
and: Department of Geography and Regional Development, University of
Gdansk, al. Mar. J. Pilsudskiego 46, PL-81 378 Gdynia, Poland.

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On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 10:56:22AM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote:

Markus,
  Do you think the FSF would maintain the Trademark for GRASS if
asked? If there's money required (undoubtedly), I think it could be
raised.

Well, from my side that would be o.k. I am not sure about Baylor.
They will tell us on monday, I think (Bruce is reading here, too).

Markus

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I would agree with Rich here. Since r.mapcalc is a component
of GRASS I don't think it's a problem.

I've forwarded this to the legal group here to get their opinions
as well. Although I don't think they will see any conflict either.

I'll immediately post the response I get from them.

Bruce

Rich Shepard wrote:

On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Markus Neteler wrote:

> some severe problem is attached.
> What's your opinion?

Markus and group:

  I know of Joe Berry and we've exchanged cummunications in the past; I read
his columns in the GIS mags and I have his books. So, I have tremendous
respect for him, Dana, and their products.

  I'm not a trademark attorney, and I know that we all want to avoid an
expensive and unnecessary legal battle. I have two thoughts to offer:

  1) I believe there is a difference between a product named "MapCalc"
(however it is capitalized) and the GRASS module "r.mapcalc" that is a
compnonet of a product. If the argument is presented that someone could be
confused between the two, that confused person is demonstrably too stupid to
be using GIS software, regardless of name. This is, in my opinion, analagous
to someone trademarking a software product named "Save" and wanting every
other software product that uses that word in a menu to change.

  Reminds me of the Lotus look-and-feel suit against Borland for QuattroPro.

  In short, I don't think it's an issue. Berry's progeny is being renamed in
its entirety while the GRASS module is one of several hundred components of
a product with a completely different name.

  2) If push comes to shove, it is possible that the existence of GRASS's
"r.mapcalc" for many years (almonst a decade) predates the trademark
application of the entire GIS package now being renamed "MapCalc". I'm sure
that an attorney could provide a strong legal argument that the prior use
establishes GRASS's right to the name.

  But, overall, I think the reasoning in my point 1 is the most important:
there is no potential legal conflict between a long-existing component named
"r.mapcalc" and a product being renamed in its entirety to "MapCalc". I hope
that Dr. Berry and crew agree that this is a petty and non-significant
issue. I hope that they have more meaningful ways to spend their time.

Rich

Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President

                       Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
              Making environmentally-responsible mining happen. (SM)
                       --------------------------------
            2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A.
+ 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | rshepard@appl-ecosys.com

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On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, B. Byars wrote:

I would agree with Rich here. Since r.mapcalc is a component
of GRASS I don't think it's a problem.

I've forwarded this to the legal group here to get their opinions
as well. Although I don't think they will see any conflict either.

  I also think the "prior use" criterion applies here, too.

I'll immediately post the response I get from them.

  Please do! It should be fun to read.

Ta,

Rich

Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President

                       Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
              Making environmentally-responsible mining happen. (SM)
                       --------------------------------
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Hi again on this topic,

.. we will have to send Mr. Berry some response soon...
As I am no native speaker, who could compile some
letter for him (less offending etc. as discussed before)?

Bruce, any news from your lawyers?

Regards

Markus

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I send an email this morning. I'll be over in their offices
at 8:00 am in the morning. I should know something by
about 3:00 pm your time tomorrow.

I'll be happy to write up a letter and get group feedback
on it as well.

Cheers!

Bruce

Markus Neteler wrote:

Hi again on this topic,

.. we will have to send Mr. Berry some response soon...
As I am no native speaker, who could compile some
letter for him (less offending etc. as discussed before)?

Bruce, any news from your lawyers?

Regards

Markus

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Markus Neteler wrote:

.. we will have to send Mr. Berry some response soon...
As I am no native speaker, who could compile some
letter for him (less offending etc. as discussed before)?

  I'll draft a response and post it to the list tomorrow.

Rich

Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President

                       Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
              Making environmentally-responsible mining happen. (SM)
                       --------------------------------
            2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A.
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Hi all,

On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 08:17:52PM +0000, Markus Neteler wrote:

Hi again on this topic,

.. we will have to send Mr. Berry some response soon...
As I am no native speaker, who could compile some
letter for him (less offending etc. as discussed before)?

Bruce, any news from your lawyers?

still no proposal is there... (hi Rich, hi Bruce).

Maybe someone else (native speaker?) could write a short letter
to this list, which we could discuss and finally send to
Mr. Berry? I think we should react as soon as possible,
as weeks are already passing by.

Roger, perhaps you could write a draft letter?
It seems that we agree to "allow" Mr. Berry to trademark is
"MapCalc" product if we get a written letter from him that we
can keep the name "r.mapcalc" for our module without problems.
I just want to avoid to get troubles from this trademark
in future.

Thanks in advance

Markus Neteler

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On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Markus Neteler wrote:

still no proposal is there... (hi Rich, hi Bruce).

  Sorry, everyone. I'm tied up in a trade conference this week. I will work
on a draft when I have time today and post it tonight.

  It doesn't have to be long or complex, and it will focus on the issues of
prior use and differences in form and content. Well, you'll see.

Later,

Rich

Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President

                       Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
              Making environmentally-responsible mining happen. (SM)
                       --------------------------------
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Hi Rich,

I've got a handle on that. Should be posting an official letter
from Baylor's legal office here later today. Everything is ok
with what they want to do. We promise to play nice. :slight_smile:

Give me a call later today if you get a chance.

Bruce

Rich Shepard wrote:

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Markus Neteler wrote:

> still no proposal is there... (hi Rich, hi Bruce).

  Sorry, everyone. I'm tied up in a trade conference this week. I will work
on a draft when I have time today and post it tonight.

  It doesn't have to be long or complex, and it will focus on the issues of
prior use and differences in form and content. Well, you'll see.

Later,

Rich

Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President

                       Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
              Making environmentally-responsible mining happen. (SM)
                       --------------------------------
            2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A.
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Markus Neteler wrote:

Hi all,

On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 08:17:52PM +0000, Markus Neteler wrote:
> Hi again on this topic,
>
> .. we will have to send Mr. Berry some response soon...
> As I am no native speaker, who could compile some
> letter for him (less offending etc. as discussed before)?
>
> Bruce, any news from your lawyers?

still no proposal is there... (hi Rich, hi Bruce).

Maybe someone else (native speaker?) could write a short letter
to this list, which we could discuss and finally send to
Mr. Berry? I think we should react as soon as possible,
as weeks are already passing by.

Roger, perhaps you could write a draft letter?
It seems that we agree to "allow" Mr. Berry to trademark is
"MapCalc" product if we get a written letter from him that we
can keep the name "r.mapcalc" for our module without problems.
I just want to avoid to get troubles from this trademark
in future.

I'll have a go:

Thanks for getting in touch with the GRASS development team regarding the
use of the generic term "mapcalc" as a trade name. A list of other users
of the same generic term is appended - also from a "Google" search.

As far as GRASS is concerned, we feel that mapcalc, the r.mapcalc program
name, and the associated usages have existed for a long time, and clearly
dominate the search results in numeric terms. Many users of GRASS
associate the term with a particular component program and style of
analysis. Our program system name is, however, GRASS, and this is the name
we feel is most important to us. We feel that the association between the
term mapcalc and a particular style of map analysis is well-established,
and must precede any specific trade name claim.

On the other hand, this term is sufficiently generic for others to have
used it without drawing any reaction from the GRASS community - ILWIS use
it as a function name in their product to do more or less the same kinds
of things. GRASS would therefore probably not suffer from the use of
MapCalc as a trade name by you or others. Since RedHen are already using
the term as a trade name, we suppose that you have weighed off the costs
and benfits of your choice of a generic term for your product.

On balance, your use of the term seems fair, as far as GRASS is concerned.

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www.chooseclimate.org/flying/mapcalc.html

http://nephron.com/mapcalc.html (MAP = 1/3(systolic-diastolic)+diastolic)

www.prospect.ns.ca/software.html www.jayceenet.com/mapcalc.htm

www.orst.edu/Dept/IPPC/wea/ (Degree-day mapping calculator:)

www.itc.nl/ilwis/dev/applic/app12.htm (a slope map. The slope map is
calculated by creating a DEM of the catchment area with contour
interpolation, filtering this DEM in x and y direction and performing the
mapcalc statement Sloperad=ATAN((HYP(dx,dy))/pixsize(DEM)).

www.itc.nl/ilwis/dev/applic/app01.htm (Further, with mapcalc, factor maps
are obtained from maps on inundation hazard, rivers, and for altitudes
above 1000m.)

http://www.mpimg-berlin-dahlem.mpg.de/~andy/calc/mapcalc.html (Calculators
for predicting experimental progress of various physical mapping projects)

http://cgi.girs.wageningen-ur.nl/timespan/software/spatialanalyst/mapcalc-
/mapcalc.htm (Map Calculator)

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Norway. voice: +47 55 95 93 55; fax +47 55 95 93 93
e-mail: Roger.Bivand@nhh.no
and: Department of Geography and Regional Development, University of
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All,

Please let our legal team handle this. They have all the
necessary information and the contact for Mr. Berry.
Since none of us are lawyers, that is the way it will be
handled. I will post any information here as soon as it
is made available to me. The legal team is looking out
for our best interest in this matter I assure you all (I just
got off the phone with them).

Thanks.

Bruce

Roger Bivand wrote:

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Markus Neteler wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 08:17:52PM +0000, Markus Neteler wrote:
> > Hi again on this topic,
> >
> > .. we will have to send Mr. Berry some response soon...
> > As I am no native speaker, who could compile some
> > letter for him (less offending etc. as discussed before)?
> >
> > Bruce, any news from your lawyers?
>
> still no proposal is there... (hi Rich, hi Bruce).
>
> Maybe someone else (native speaker?) could write a short letter
> to this list, which we could discuss and finally send to
> Mr. Berry? I think we should react as soon as possible,
> as weeks are already passing by.
>
> Roger, perhaps you could write a draft letter?
> It seems that we agree to "allow" Mr. Berry to trademark is
> "MapCalc" product if we get a written letter from him that we
> can keep the name "r.mapcalc" for our module without problems.
> I just want to avoid to get troubles from this trademark
> in future.
>
I'll have a go:

Thanks for getting in touch with the GRASS development team regarding the
use of the generic term "mapcalc" as a trade name. A list of other users
of the same generic term is appended - also from a "Google" search.

As far as GRASS is concerned, we feel that mapcalc, the r.mapcalc program
name, and the associated usages have existed for a long time, and clearly
dominate the search results in numeric terms. Many users of GRASS
associate the term with a particular component program and style of
analysis. Our program system name is, however, GRASS, and this is the name
we feel is most important to us. We feel that the association between the
term mapcalc and a particular style of map analysis is well-established,
and must precede any specific trade name claim.

On the other hand, this term is sufficiently generic for others to have
used it without drawing any reaction from the GRASS community - ILWIS use
it as a function name in their product to do more or less the same kinds
of things. GRASS would therefore probably not suffer from the use of
MapCalc as a trade name by you or others. Since RedHen are already using
the term as a trade name, we suppose that you have weighed off the costs
and benfits of your choice of a generic term for your product.

On balance, your use of the term seems fair, as far as GRASS is concerned.

---------------------------------------

www.chooseclimate.org/flying/mapcalc.html

http://nephron.com/mapcalc.html (MAP = 1/3(systolic-diastolic)+diastolic)

www.prospect.ns.ca/software.html www.jayceenet.com/mapcalc.htm

www.orst.edu/Dept/IPPC/wea/ (Degree-day mapping calculator:)

www.itc.nl/ilwis/dev/applic/app12.htm (a slope map. The slope map is
calculated by creating a DEM of the catchment area with contour
interpolation, filtering this DEM in x and y direction and performing the
mapcalc statement Sloperad=ATAN((HYP(dx,dy))/pixsize(DEM)).

www.itc.nl/ilwis/dev/applic/app01.htm (Further, with mapcalc, factor maps
are obtained from maps on inundation hazard, rivers, and for altitudes
above 1000m.)

http://www.mpimg-berlin-dahlem.mpg.de/~andy/calc/mapcalc.html (Calculators
for predicting experimental progress of various physical mapping projects)

http://cgi.girs.wageningen-ur.nl/timespan/software/spatialanalyst/mapcalc-
/mapcalc.htm (Map Calculator)

--
Roger Bivand
Economic Geography Section, Department of Economics, Norwegian School of
Economics and Business Administration, Breiviksveien 40, N-5045 Bergen,
Norway. voice: +47 55 95 93 55; fax +47 55 95 93 93
e-mail: Roger.Bivand@nhh.no
and: Department of Geography and Regional Development, University of
Gdansk, al. Mar. J. Pilsudskiego 46, PL-81 378 Gdynia, Poland.

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Hi all,

I have just gotten off the phone with the legal team.
They are getting in contact with the PMap people
to iron things out legally and officially. One concern
they have for us is that we retain the right to forever
use the name mapcalc in GRASS.

One thing I need feedback from you guys asap is what
do we see our mapcalc evolving into? Does it stay the
same or change in capabilities? We don't want to limit
ourselves in the future.

Shoot any questions direct to me via email or call me at
254-710-6814

Thanks.

Bruce

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Hi Bruce, everyone

Just a few thoughts

"B. Byars" wrote:

Hi all,

I have just gotten off the phone with the legal team.
They are getting in contact with the PMap people
to iron things out legally and officially. One concern
they have for us is that we retain the right to forever
use the name mapcalc in GRASS.

The real problem is if in the future this new software becomes a widely
accepted application with its own proprietary formats, we might want to
have import/export filters. Then it would be confusing to have the same
name for different functions.

One thing I need feedback from you guys asap is what
do we see our mapcalc evolving into?

I consider this is not a useful question to canvas at this time. As a
mature and serious project, whatever evolution our raster scripting
capability takes, is determined by the problems arising out of its use
and the experience reported by users and developers. An `Inetellectual
Property' issue like this is not a reason for changing our agenda, or
committing to anything that otherwise wouldn't have been an issue. I'm
not aware that anyone has had any gripe with mapcalc's function and
purpose - perhaps as always bug and efficiency issues, and minor feature
issues. There is no foundation at all for any kind of decision on the
future of mapcalc at this time.

Does it stay the
same or change in capabilities? We don't want to limit
ourselves in the future.

Absolutely. But we just don't know at this point. No doubt we will have
considerably expanded features at some point for our raster scripting
tool (whatever we call it). It could be described however as a scripting
language for the processing of maps and automated generation of new maps
and isn't likely to step outside those bounds.

Regards

David

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