ee - sorry, I do not understand (?) How can I auto-size graphic?
I don't know, I was asking if it was possible. (I doubt it)
You can try resizing gintro.gif in a graphics program and see what
happens..
alt-left click on the mouse should let you drag the window around
to get at it all...
Hamish
Hallo,
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:52:21PM +1200, Hamish wrote:
> ee - sorry, I do not understand (?) How can I auto-size graphic?
I don't know, I was asking if it was possible. (I doubt it)
You can try resizing gintro.gif in a graphics program and see what
happens..
I resized the image, so the new intro can fit in my screen. Image can be
downloaded from http://les-ejk.cz/tmp/gintro.gif
alt-left click on the mouse should let you drag the window around
to get at it all...Hamish
I know, I can move the window. But would it be possible to make it so
big/small, that I (and others) would not have to moving the window
arround, before they start to work?
Thanks
Jachym
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You CAN zoom out with a single mouse click AND zoom out with a box. Please
try it. It's in the new help file and I've tried to explain this before.
Some people like the box, once they get used to it, some people like a
single click, and some people (such as me) like both. So you can do it
either way. It doesn't need to be either or.
Michael
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From: Maciek Sieczka <werchowyna@epf.pl>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:44:10 +0200
To: Michael Barton <michael.barton@asu.edu>
Cc: <hamish_nospam@yahoo.com>, <jachym.cepicky@centrum.cz>,
<grass5@grass.itc.it>, <GRASSLIST@baylor.edu>
Subject: zooming out in gis.m [was Re: [GRASS5] New GRASS intro]On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:58:56 -0700
Michael Barton <michael.barton@asu.edu> wrote:Agreed. That was my (overly subtle apparently) point.
Since this is agreed, I'd like to rise the case of zooming out tool in
gis.m - could zooming out with a box be abandoned, in favor of zooming
out at each single mouse click?Who else agrees/disagrees a single click for zoom out is better than
setting the zoom out box?Maciek
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Same here. It's less than 800x600. AFAICT, it's not possible to auto-size a
graphic in TclTk.
Michael
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From: Hamish <hamish_nospam@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:21:19 +1200
To: Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky@centrum.cz>
Cc: <michael.barton@asu.edu>, <grass5@grass.itc.it>
Subject: Re: [GRASS5] New GRASS intronew intro looks good, but it does not fit into my 800x600 screen -
would it be problem to resize it a bit?For me it is
Width: 570
Height: 618In Tcl can you auto-size a graphic like you can in HTML?
Hamish
If you shrink $GISBASE/etc/gintro.gif, it will make the opening screen a
little smaller. But it won't make it tiny.
Michael
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From: Hamish <hamish_nospam@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:52:21 +1200
To: Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky@centrum.cz>
Cc: <michael.barton@asu.edu>, <grass5@grass.itc.it>
Subject: Re: [GRASS5] New GRASS introee - sorry, I do not understand (?) How can I auto-size graphic?
I don't know, I was asking if it was possible. (I doubt it)
You can try resizing gintro.gif in a graphics program and see what
happens..alt-left click on the mouse should let you drag the window around
to get at it all...Hamish
Jachym et al,
I'm out of town and going through my accumulated digested grass emails
Once I get back, it might be doable to make the intro a bit smaller.
But please remember it goes away BEFORE you start to work. It's only there
to have you select/create a location and mapset. Then it disappears. If it
is NOT disappearing on your computer, something larger needs to be fixed.
Michael
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Arizona State University
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From: Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky@centrum.cz>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:41:12 +0200
To: <grass5@grass.itc.it>
Cc: <michael.barton@asu.edu>
Subject: Re: [GRASS5] New GRASS introHallo,
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:52:21PM +1200, Hamish wrote:
ee - sorry, I do not understand (?) How can I auto-size graphic?
I don't know, I was asking if it was possible. (I doubt it)
You can try resizing gintro.gif in a graphics program and see what
happens..I resized the image, so the new intro can fit in my screen. Image can be
downloaded from http://les-ejk.cz/tmp/gintro.gifalt-left click on the mouse should let you drag the window around
to get at it all...Hamish
I know, I can move the window. But would it be possible to make it so
big/small, that I (and others) would not have to moving the window
arround, before they start to work?Thanks
Jachym
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Michael Barton wrote:
Jachym et al,
I'm out of town and going through my accumulated digested grass emails
Once I get back, it might be doable to make the intro a bit smaller.
But please remember it goes away BEFORE you start to work. It's only there
to have you select/create a location and mapset. Then it disappears. If it
is NOT disappearing on your computer, something larger needs to be fixed.
Michael,
it is possible that he doesn't see the "Enter" button below and that the
window manager does
not permit to move the window out of the screen - so it would be good to
have to limited to
600 pixel height (or little less).
thanks
Markus
Hi,
and I still thought that the 6.1 is a beta and you are talking about a 6.2? I think what the most important thing is which has to be improved for a beginner is the installation of grass. I'm running on cygwin and I did not dare to try anything else which is provided by the cygwin installer (at least that there is some version at all is a great help).
You are right, as a new user I had problems to understand what a location/mapset is and how to create them. What me helped was a step by step tutorial (sorry I'm only civil engineer who uses Grass for private purposes).
I'm sometimes still confused that some commands need instead of "input" a "map" at least this should be aliased.
An other thing I realized quite late is that many options are only working when Grass is compiled with the right commands, but when you have installed a binary version you hardly figure out which "plugins" are working (mrsid in, ecw out, ...)
But I'm not thinking bad of Grass at all! I only takes a lot of effort to get into it. Now I can handle some functionality like importing maps, reprojecting maps, joining maps, using r.resamp and also exporting them quite well. For getting so far having a step by step manual helped a lot (and also the mailing list).
A final remark on the EPSG list. It seems that no all possibilities (grids) are included and that (at least one) lacks the right false northing. Also (when I under stand right) EPSG codes are available for Datums and national meter grids (which need a datum).
If you need a beta tester who can "simulate" a new user, then you can always ask me 
Cheers
Wolfgang
Michael Barton schrieb:
With the move toward releasing GRASS 6.2, it’s time we had a new intro to greet users starting GRASS.
I’d hoped to make something really spiffy, easy for first time users to navigate without getting confused about GRASS jargon, but still quick for experienced users. Alas, I haven’t had the time to do all this before the impending 6.2 feature freeze, but I did manage to update things somewhat from the venerable, Spartan grey intro.
I’ve rearranged the items on the intro screen to distinguish different functions, changed the descriptions to make it clearer that locations are for projections and mapsets are where a ‘GIS’ is stored, etc. I also added a new button to create a projection location from a georeferenced file (uses GDAL/OGR via g.proj). Finally, I added some color to the intro. No I didn’t make it green, but I did add a nice GRASS graphic.
Many thanks to Markus who helped me get this committed to the cvs, where it now resides for your geospatial enjoyment.
I think the next step would be to replace the g.setproj terminal screen for defining projections with a nicer GUI one based on g.proj. Another thing would be to add a search function to the excellent EPSG codes database.
Cheers,
Michael
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Glad to hear that.
I think one of the great benefits of the new canvas is that it can be
ported to other platforms, no?
I am looking forward to the day when grass runs well in Windows. A lot
of our proprietary equipment runs only in windows. It would be nice to
feed real-time data from these instruments directly into grass for
post-processing on board the ship.
I guess I need to see how the new GUI is composting the images to see
the best way to script it.
David
On 4/25/06, Markus Neteler <neteler@itc.it> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 02:29:00PM -0700, David Finlayson wrote:
> On 4/25/06, Michael Barton <michael.barton@asu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Everyone wants the command line interface to be maintained. However, there
> > are features that can be implemented in an integrated GUI in ways that are
> > not possible with a CLI.
>
> I am always torn on this issue. On the one hand, if GRASS had a
> friendly user interface, maybe it wouldn't be in the GIS ghetto it is
> now (in USA anyway). On the other hand, the reason I use GRASS is
> because it integrates with my Unix toolbox (sed, grep, cut, etc).
>
> If there comes a day when a Bash script isn't a first-class interface
> to GRASS. Well, that's the day I stop using GRASS.Me, too
But there is not interest in dropping the command line interface.
In fact, it will remain and be maintained (at least by me and many
other developers).There will be *also* high developed GUI(s).
So, no worries,
Markus
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David,
The new GIS Manager *should* run with the Windows native version of GRASS
and TclTk. It will be missing the commands that still require x11, of
course. But this is a problem with x11 dependencies, not the TclTk GUI. I'd
love to have you and others test it in this environment.
Michael
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Arizona State University
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www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton
From: David Finlayson <david.p.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:57:27 -0700
To: Michael Barton <michael.barton@asu.edu>, Multiple recipients of list
<GRASSLIST@baylor.edu>
Subject: Re: [GRASS5] New GRASS introGlad to hear that.
I think one of the great benefits of the new canvas is that it can be
ported to other platforms, no?I am looking forward to the day when grass runs well in Windows. A lot
of our proprietary equipment runs only in windows. It would be nice to
feed real-time data from these instruments directly into grass for
post-processing on board the ship.I guess I need to see how the new GUI is composting the images to see
the best way to script it.David
On 4/25/06, Markus Neteler <neteler@itc.it> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 02:29:00PM -0700, David Finlayson wrote:
On 4/25/06, Michael Barton <michael.barton@asu.edu> wrote:
Everyone wants the command line interface to be maintained. However, there
are features that can be implemented in an integrated GUI in ways that are
not possible with a CLI.I am always torn on this issue. On the one hand, if GRASS had a
friendly user interface, maybe it wouldn't be in the GIS ghetto it is
now (in USA anyway). On the other hand, the reason I use GRASS is
because it integrates with my Unix toolbox (sed, grep, cut, etc).If there comes a day when a Bash script isn't a first-class interface
to GRASS. Well, that's the day I stop using GRASS.Me, too
But there is not interest in dropping the command line interface.
In fact, it will remain and be maintained (at least by me and many
other developers).There will be *also* high developed GUI(s).
So, no worries,
Markus
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David Finlayson
If there comes a day when a Bash script isn't a first-class interface
to GRASS. Well, that's the day I stop using GRASS.
Don't worry, the command line has its dedicated champions. (I think
scripted modelling support is one of GRASS's most powerful features &
strongest cards)
maybe it wouldn't be in the GIS ghetto it is now (in USA anyway).
well if being in the ghetto means being 5x more productive than the next
guy, then let him have his fancy GUI & get me on the #4 train uptown.
Hamish
