[GeoNetwork-users] OpenLayers and GN

Dear all,

I have followed some of the recent discussion about the integration of
OpenLayers in GeonNetwork, and would like to know, if Intermap will
definitely be replaced by OpenLayers in GN 2.5 and when the release of
2.5 is scheduled? Within our project I would like to use OpenLayers in
conjunction wit GN, but as I am not that familiar with the customization
of GN, I am a bit double-minded, if it is worth the effort to get into
that topic or if I should wait on the new release of GN.

Anyway, if someone has experience with the replacement of Intermap by
OpenLayers and could give me some advice, this would be very helpful. We
use GN 2.2 with embedded GeoServer and Jetty on Windows Vista.

Many thanks in advance,

Heiko

As you may have gathered from the discussion, most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else, developing against either the GN XML services, or against the Lucene index, or in some other way. Our design is at:

http://github.com/joegilbert/gn-geoportal

and other groups have other excellent designs. We (at the University of Virginia) hope that going forward we can begin to join forces so that groups will not have to redo each others' work in creating portals.

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 18, 2009, at 5:24 AM, Zumsprekel, Dr. Heiko (RPF) wrote:

Anyway, if someone has experience with the replacement of Intermap by
OpenLayers and could give me some advice, this would be very helpful. We
use GN 2.2 with embedded GeoServer and Jetty on Windows Vista.

Hi,
Even though I'm very much in favor of progressive development of the GUI, I think that the statement below is a bit bold... There are for sure people that have developed their own GN discovery interfaces, but to claim that "most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else" is maybe exaggerating a little, or do you really have stats to support this? It sounds like the default GUI is worth nothing, which I personally don't agree with :slight_smile: Many people are happy with general cosmetic changes to the default GUI as far as I know, while some take the effort to develop alternative GUI solutions.
Cheers,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:40 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

As you may have gathered from the discussion, most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else

We have no disagreement-- my comment was poorly worded. What I meant was that most groups that have decided to create a substantially new interface have decided to completely replace the out-of-the-box one, as opposed to working within the XSLT and JavaScript that is provided.

This is for reasons that offer no criticism of the interface; it's good engineering to avoid setting yourself up to continually be remerging complex XSLT and JavaScript every time a new GN version is released. Also, it permits of using a framework besides Jeeves, which some groups may prefer. (E.g. we used Sinatra.)

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi,
Even though I'm very much in favor of progressive development of the GUI, I think that the statement below is a bit bold... There are for sure people that have developed their own GN discovery interfaces, but to claim that "most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else" is maybe exaggerating a little, or do you really have stats to support this? It sounds like the default GUI is worth nothing, which I personally don't agree with :slight_smile: Many people are happy with general cosmetic changes to the default GUI as far as I know, while some take the effort to develop alternative GUI solutions.
Cheers,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:40 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

As you may have gathered from the discussion, most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else

Thanks! I understand your motivations and encourage the work you do! I just wanted to avoid getting a perception out on the mailing list that does not reflect how most people do use GeoNetwork at present :slight_smile:
Regards,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:53 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

We have no disagreement-- my comment was poorly worded. What I meant was that most groups that have decided to create a substantially new interface have decided to completely replace the out-of-the-box one, as opposed to working within the XSLT and JavaScript that is provided.

This is for reasons that offer no criticism of the interface; it's good engineering to avoid setting yourself up to continually be remerging complex XSLT and JavaScript every time a new GN version is released. Also, it permits of using a framework besides Jeeves, which some groups may prefer. (E.g. we used Sinatra.)

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi,
Even though I'm very much in favor of progressive development of the GUI, I think that the statement below is a bit bold... There are for sure people that have developed their own GN discovery interfaces, but to claim that "most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else" is maybe exaggerating a little, or do you really have stats to support this? It sounds like the default GUI is worth nothing, which I personally don't agree with :slight_smile: Many people are happy with general cosmetic changes to the default GUI as far as I know, while some take the effort to develop alternative GUI solutions.
Cheers,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:40 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

As you may have gathered from the discussion, most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. Best Open Source Mac Front-Ends 2024
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
geonetwork-users List Signup and Options
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at GeoNetwork - Geographic Metadata Catalog download | SourceForge.net

Hi,

sorry, it was not my intention to raise up a discussion. For me as a complete user, the excellent functionalities of GN concerning metadata editing, search, harvesting etc. are out of question. Also the embedded Intermap viewer is powerful for viewing and performing basic feature info queries and setting up styles, adding wms services etc. But in our recent project, the requirements to the map viewer will go beyond the capabilities of Intermap, (display in different CRS, editing features in the viewer etc.).

So my simple idea at the moment is: If I have searched for some metadata and have received the results, I can load the data into Intermap using the Interactive map function (OGC web map service 1.1.1 in the OnLine resource section). Would it be possible to change this function into something like "Add Data to OpenLayers", so I can choose several datasets to be added into OpenLayers first and then switch to OpenLayers for further analysis? And what would this mean for me regarding effort and time to spend, and is it worth it, if it is planned to integrate OpenLayers into GN in the near future?

So any suggestions on this problem and information about scheduled new releases of GN with OL are highly welcome.

Regards,
Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jeroen Ticheler [mailto:Jeroen.Ticheler@anonymised.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. November 2009 21:59
An: ajs6f@anonymised.com
Cc: geonetwork-users Users
Betreff: Re: [GeoNetwork-users] OpenLayers and GN

Thanks! I understand your motivations and encourage the work you do! I just wanted to avoid getting a perception out on the mailing list that does not reflect how most people do use GeoNetwork at present :slight_smile:
Regards,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:53 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

We have no disagreement-- my comment was poorly worded. What I meant was that most groups that have decided to create a substantially new interface have decided to completely replace the out-of-the-box one, as opposed to working within the XSLT and JavaScript that is provided.

This is for reasons that offer no criticism of the interface; it's good engineering to avoid setting yourself up to continually be remerging complex XSLT and JavaScript every time a new GN version is released. Also, it permits of using a framework besides Jeeves, which some groups may prefer. (E.g. we used Sinatra.)

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi,
Even though I'm very much in favor of progressive development of the GUI, I think that the statement below is a bit bold... There are for sure people that have developed their own GN discovery interfaces, but to claim that "most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else" is maybe exaggerating a little, or do you really have stats to support this? It sounds like the default GUI is worth nothing, which I personally don't agree with :slight_smile: Many people are happy with general cosmetic changes to the default GUI as far as I know, while some take the effort to develop alternative GUI solutions.
Cheers,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:40 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

As you may have gathered from the discussion, most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

Not to worry-- this discussion (providing different front ends to GN) has been going on in this list for some time. I think it is a healthy discussion. It shows how broad GN's user community is.

May I ask if you are proposing a sort of "shopping cart" notion? In other words, a facility that would allow patrons to gather up layers and featuresets into some kind of queue and then display them in an OpenLayers-based editor, perhaps in a separate viewing window or the like?

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Zumsprekel, Dr. Heiko (RPF) wrote:

Hi,

sorry, it was not my intention to raise up a discussion. For me as a complete user, the excellent functionalities of GN concerning metadata editing, search, harvesting etc. are out of question. Also the embedded Intermap viewer is powerful for viewing and performing basic feature info queries and setting up styles, adding wms services etc. But in our recent project, the requirements to the map viewer will go beyond the capabilities of Intermap, (display in different CRS, editing features in the viewer etc.).

So my simple idea at the moment is: If I have searched for some metadata and have received the results, I can load the data into Intermap using the Interactive map function (OGC web map service 1.1.1 in the OnLine resource section). Would it be possible to change this function into something like "Add Data to OpenLayers", so I can choose several datasets to be added into OpenLayers first and then switch to OpenLayers for further analysis? And what would this mean for me regarding effort and time to spend, and is it worth it, if it is planned to integrate OpenLayers into GN in the near future?

So any suggestions on this problem and information about scheduled new releases of GN with OL are highly welcome.

Regards,
Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jeroen Ticheler [mailto:Jeroen.Ticheler@anonymised.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. November 2009 21:59
An: ajs6f@anonymised.com
Cc: geonetwork-users Users
Betreff: Re: [GeoNetwork-users] OpenLayers and GN

Thanks! I understand your motivations and encourage the work you do! I just wanted to avoid getting a perception out on the mailing list that does not reflect how most people do use GeoNetwork at present :slight_smile:
Regards,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:53 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

We have no disagreement-- my comment was poorly worded. What I meant was that most groups that have decided to create a substantially new interface have decided to completely replace the out-of-the-box one, as opposed to working within the XSLT and JavaScript that is provided.

This is for reasons that offer no criticism of the interface; it's good engineering to avoid setting yourself up to continually be remerging complex XSLT and JavaScript every time a new GN version is released. Also, it permits of using a framework besides Jeeves, which some groups may prefer. (E.g. we used Sinatra.)

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi,
Even though I'm very much in favor of progressive development of the GUI, I think that the statement below is a bit bold... There are for sure people that have developed their own GN discovery interfaces, but to claim that "most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else" is maybe exaggerating a little, or do you really have stats to support this? It sounds like the default GUI is worth nothing, which I personally don't agree with :slight_smile: Many people are happy with general cosmetic changes to the default GUI as far as I know, while some take the effort to develop alternative GUI solutions.
Cheers,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:40 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

As you may have gathered from the discussion, most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

Hello,

yes, the shopping cart facility is quite the same. The workflow would be: Search for metadata => Add results to MapViewer (= shopping basket) => Open MapViewer (in a separate window). Though our project is non-commercial... but would this be possible in GN?

Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ajs6f@anonymised.com [mailto:ajs6f@anonymised.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. November 2009 14:16
An: geonetwork-users Users
Betreff: Re: [GeoNetwork-users] OpenLayers and GN

Not to worry-- this discussion (providing different front ends to GN) has been going on in this list for some time. I think it is a healthy discussion. It shows how broad GN's user community is.

May I ask if you are proposing a sort of "shopping cart" notion? In other words, a facility that would allow patrons to gather up layers and featuresets into some kind of queue and then display them in an OpenLayers-based editor, perhaps in a separate viewing window or the like?

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Zumsprekel, Dr. Heiko (RPF) wrote:

Hi,

sorry, it was not my intention to raise up a discussion. For me as a complete user, the excellent functionalities of GN concerning metadata editing, search, harvesting etc. are out of question. Also the embedded Intermap viewer is powerful for viewing and performing basic feature info queries and setting up styles, adding wms services etc. But in our recent project, the requirements to the map viewer will go beyond the capabilities of Intermap, (display in different CRS, editing features in the viewer etc.).

So my simple idea at the moment is: If I have searched for some metadata and have received the results, I can load the data into Intermap using the Interactive map function (OGC web map service 1.1.1 in the OnLine resource section). Would it be possible to change this function into something like "Add Data to OpenLayers", so I can choose several datasets to be added into OpenLayers first and then switch to OpenLayers for further analysis? And what would this mean for me regarding effort and time to spend, and is it worth it, if it is planned to integrate OpenLayers into GN in the near future?

So any suggestions on this problem and information about scheduled new releases of GN with OL are highly welcome.

Regards,
Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jeroen Ticheler [mailto:Jeroen.Ticheler@anonymised.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. November 2009 21:59
An: ajs6f@anonymised.com
Cc: geonetwork-users Users
Betreff: Re: [GeoNetwork-users] OpenLayers and GN

Thanks! I understand your motivations and encourage the work you do! I just wanted to avoid getting a perception out on the mailing list that does not reflect how most people do use GeoNetwork at present :slight_smile:
Regards,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:53 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

We have no disagreement-- my comment was poorly worded. What I meant was that most groups that have decided to create a substantially new interface have decided to completely replace the out-of-the-box one, as opposed to working within the XSLT and JavaScript that is provided.

This is for reasons that offer no criticism of the interface; it's good engineering to avoid setting yourself up to continually be remerging complex XSLT and JavaScript every time a new GN version is released. Also, it permits of using a framework besides Jeeves, which some groups may prefer. (E.g. we used Sinatra.)

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi,
Even though I'm very much in favor of progressive development of the GUI, I think that the statement below is a bit bold... There are for sure people that have developed their own GN discovery interfaces, but to claim that "most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else" is maybe exaggerating a little, or do you really have stats to support this? It sounds like the default GUI is worth nothing, which I personally don't agree with :slight_smile: Many people are happy with general cosmetic changes to the default GUI as far as I know, while some take the effort to develop alternative GUI solutions.
Cheers,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:40 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

As you may have gathered from the discussion, most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

Heiko,

We had a version of this working in a heavily-customized GN for a while: all search results were programatically added to the OpenLayers LayerSwitcher (layers w/ services would then render directly, layers without live links rendered as a footprint).

We were trying to avoid additional windows at that time, but it could easily go into a new window instead. The code is still around if you want it: https://code.lib.purdue.edu/trac/gis/pugo/browser/trunk

Of course we're one of the groups that shortly thereafter abandoned the native GN UI, which freed us up to do a richer version of all of this: we render directly to OpenLayers from the search results (services and/or footprints), but we also have a little, what, "sidecart" (?) where users can drag layers they're interested in saving as citations or just looking at more closely together (the saving as citations part is not yet coded, but we're preparing). Those can of course be rendered/footprinted on OL at any time. With a reasonable amount of work, this cart thing could probably be put into the native GN UI, but for all the reasons Soroka has mentioned we just jumped ship.

On Nov 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Zumsprekel, Dr. Heiko (RPF) wrote:

Hello,

yes, the shopping cart facility is quite the same. The workflow would be: Search for metadata => Add results to MapViewer (= shopping basket) => Open MapViewer (in a separate window). Though our project is non-commercial... but would this be possible in GN?

Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ajs6f@anonymised.com<mailto:ajs6f@anonymised.com> [mailto:ajs6f@anonymised.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. November 2009 14:16
An: geonetwork-users Users
Betreff: Re: [GeoNetwork-users] OpenLayers and GN

Not to worry-- this discussion (providing different front ends to GN) has been going on in this list for some time. I think it is a healthy discussion. It shows how broad GN's user community is.

May I ask if you are proposing a sort of "shopping cart" notion? In other words, a facility that would allow patrons to gather up layers and featuresets into some kind of queue and then display them in an OpenLayers-based editor, perhaps in a separate viewing window or the like?

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Zumsprekel, Dr. Heiko (RPF) wrote:

Hi,

sorry, it was not my intention to raise up a discussion. For me as a complete user, the excellent functionalities of GN concerning metadata editing, search, harvesting etc. are out of question. Also the embedded Intermap viewer is powerful for viewing and performing basic feature info queries and setting up styles, adding wms services etc. But in our recent project, the requirements to the map viewer will go beyond the capabilities of Intermap, (display in different CRS, editing features in the viewer etc.).

So my simple idea at the moment is: If I have searched for some metadata and have received the results, I can load the data into Intermap using the Interactive map function (OGC web map service 1.1.1 in the OnLine resource section). Would it be possible to change this function into something like "Add Data to OpenLayers", so I can choose several datasets to be added into OpenLayers first and then switch to OpenLayers for further analysis? And what would this mean for me regarding effort and time to spend, and is it worth it, if it is planned to integrate OpenLayers into GN in the near future?

So any suggestions on this problem and information about scheduled new releases of GN with OL are highly welcome.

Regards,
Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jeroen Ticheler [mailto:Jeroen.Ticheler@anonymised.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. November 2009 21:59
An: ajs6f@anonymised.com<mailto:ajs6f@anonymised.com>
Cc: geonetwork-users Users
Betreff: Re: [GeoNetwork-users] OpenLayers and GN

Thanks! I understand your motivations and encourage the work you do! I just wanted to avoid getting a perception out on the mailing list that does not reflect how most people do use GeoNetwork at present :slight_smile:
Regards,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:53 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com<mailto:ajs6f@anonymised.com> wrote:

We have no disagreement-- my comment was poorly worded. What I meant was that most groups that have decided to create a substantially new interface have decided to completely replace the out-of-the-box one, as opposed to working within the XSLT and JavaScript that is provided.

This is for reasons that offer no criticism of the interface; it's good engineering to avoid setting yourself up to continually be remerging complex XSLT and JavaScript every time a new GN version is released. Also, it permits of using a framework besides Jeeves, which some groups may prefer. (E.g. we used Sinatra.)

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi,
Even though I'm very much in favor of progressive development of the GUI, I think that the statement below is a bit bold... There are for sure people that have developed their own GN discovery interfaces, but to claim that "most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else" is maybe exaggerating a little, or do you really have stats to support this? It sounds like the default GUI is worth nothing, which I personally don't agree with :slight_smile: Many people are happy with general cosmetic changes to the default GUI as far as I know, while some take the effort to develop alternative GUI solutions.
Cheers,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:40 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com<mailto:ajs6f@anonymised.com> wrote:

As you may have gathered from the discussion, most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:GeoNetwork-users@anonymised.comforge.net>
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:GeoNetwork-users@anonymised.comforge.net>
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:GeoNetwork-users@anonymised.comforge.net>
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:GeoNetwork-users@anonymised.comforge.net>
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
C.C. Miller
Assistant Professor of Library Science
Geographic Information Systems Specialist
Purdue University Libraries

http://gis.lib.purdue.edu
feed://www.lib.purdue.edu/gis/rss.php

ccmiller@anonymised.com<mailto:ccmiller@anonymised.com>
765.496.9474
IM=ccmiller@anonymised.com<mailto:IM=ccmiller@anonymised.com>
AIM=cecmcgee
Jabber=ccmiller@anonymised.com<mailto:Jabber=ccmiller@anonymised.com>
Twitter=http://twitter.com/pugolian

2215E EAS (CIVL)
Earth & Atmospheric Sciences Library (EAS)
Civil Engineering Building (CIVL)
550 Stadium Mall Drive
West Lafayette, IN 47907-2051
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm sure it's possible in the sense that what you're describing is just a matter of Javascript (or you could provide it through some server-side functionality), but whether there is support in the GN out-of-the-box discovery interface I do not know.

We have been working with GeoExt to begin providing support for that kind of functionality, but we haven't gotten as far as a "shopping cart"-type power.

I am curious-- are other groups out there interested in such a line of development?

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Zumsprekel, Dr. Heiko (RPF) wrote:

Hello,

yes, the shopping cart facility is quite the same. The workflow would be: Search for metadata => Add results to MapViewer (= shopping basket) => Open MapViewer (in a separate window). Though our project is non-commercial... but would this be possible in GN?

Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ajs6f@anonymised.com [mailto:ajs6f@anonymised.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. November 2009 14:16
An: geonetwork-users Users
Betreff: Re: [GeoNetwork-users] OpenLayers and GN

Not to worry-- this discussion (providing different front ends to GN) has been going on in this list for some time. I think it is a healthy discussion. It shows how broad GN's user community is.

May I ask if you are proposing a sort of "shopping cart" notion? In other words, a facility that would allow patrons to gather up layers and featuresets into some kind of queue and then display them in an OpenLayers-based editor, perhaps in a separate viewing window or the like?

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Zumsprekel, Dr. Heiko (RPF) wrote:

Hi,

sorry, it was not my intention to raise up a discussion. For me as a complete user, the excellent functionalities of GN concerning metadata editing, search, harvesting etc. are out of question. Also the embedded Intermap viewer is powerful for viewing and performing basic feature info queries and setting up styles, adding wms services etc. But in our recent project, the requirements to the map viewer will go beyond the capabilities of Intermap, (display in different CRS, editing features in the viewer etc.).

So my simple idea at the moment is: If I have searched for some metadata and have received the results, I can load the data into Intermap using the Interactive map function (OGC web map service 1.1.1 in the OnLine resource section). Would it be possible to change this function into something like "Add Data to OpenLayers", so I can choose several datasets to be added into OpenLayers first and then switch to OpenLayers for further analysis? And what would this mean for me regarding effort and time to spend, and is it worth it, if it is planned to integrate OpenLayers into GN in the near future?

So any suggestions on this problem and information about scheduled new releases of GN with OL are highly welcome.

Regards,
Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jeroen Ticheler [mailto:Jeroen.Ticheler@anonymised.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. November 2009 21:59
An: ajs6f@anonymised.com
Cc: geonetwork-users Users
Betreff: Re: [GeoNetwork-users] OpenLayers and GN

Thanks! I understand your motivations and encourage the work you do! I just wanted to avoid getting a perception out on the mailing list that does not reflect how most people do use GeoNetwork at present :slight_smile:
Regards,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:53 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

We have no disagreement-- my comment was poorly worded. What I meant was that most groups that have decided to create a substantially new interface have decided to completely replace the out-of-the-box one, as opposed to working within the XSLT and JavaScript that is provided.

This is for reasons that offer no criticism of the interface; it's good engineering to avoid setting yourself up to continually be remerging complex XSLT and JavaScript every time a new GN version is released. Also, it permits of using a framework besides Jeeves, which some groups may prefer. (E.g. we used Sinatra.)

---
A. Soroka
Digital Research and Scholarship R & D
the University of Virginia Library

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi,
Even though I'm very much in favor of progressive development of the GUI, I think that the statement below is a bit bold... There are for sure people that have developed their own GN discovery interfaces, but to claim that "most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else" is maybe exaggerating a little, or do you really have stats to support this? It sounds like the default GUI is worth nothing, which I personally don't agree with :slight_smile: Many people are happy with general cosmetic changes to the default GUI as far as I know, while some take the effort to develop alternative GUI solutions.
Cheers,
Jeroen

On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:40 PM, ajs6f@anonymised.com wrote:

As you may have gathered from the discussion, most groups have decided to simply replace the entire GN discovery section with something else

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day
trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on
what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with
Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
_______________________________________________
GeoNetwork-users mailing list
GeoNetwork-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-users
GeoNetwork OpenSource is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork