[Geoserver-devel] geoserver-devel automated emails

GeoServer GeoServer Developer
1

In catching up with some of my coworkers it turns up that they are unable to keep up with the amount of email generated by geoserver-devel. I know I have filters for jira, the build servers, etc… so I can focus on what people say.

Is it worth isolating jira and build servers into a seperate email list, as we have done for commits?

···

–
Jody Garnett

2

Hi Jody,
I feel your pain but I believe that if we put build servers on a separate mailing list, nobody
will care about failed builds anymore.
How do we go about making less noise, but still making sure the builds are kept working?

Cheers
Andrea

···

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@anonymised.com> wrote:

In catching up with some of my coworkers it turns up that they are unable to keep up with the amount of email generated by geoserver-devel. I know I have filters for jira, the build servers, etc… so I can focus on what people say.

Is it worth isolating jira and build servers into a seperate email list, as we have done for commits?

–
Jody Garnett

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.com.366…sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

–

==
GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! Visit
http://goo.gl/it488V for more information.

Ing. Andrea Aime

@geowolf
Technical Lead

GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Via di Montramito 3/A
55054 Massarosa (LU)
phone: +39 0584 962313

fax: +39 0584 1660272
mob: +39 339 8844549

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it

AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003

Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono da considerarsi strettamente riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate nel messaggio stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via e-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso, cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso, divulgarlo anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti, copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce comportamento contrario ai principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.

The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) and may be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree June, 30 2003, no.196 - Italy’s New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and delete the information in this message that has been received in error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability as the content, accuracy or completeness of sent messages and accepts no responsibility for changes made after they were sent or for other risks which arise as a result of e-mail transmission, viruses, etc.

3

I am not sure, as indicated I use filters so I am not overwhelmed.

We could make a seperate email list for jira to send out notifications to? I think it produces more email then the builds …

···

On 28 October 2016 at 09:45, Andrea Aime <andrea.aime@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hi Jody,
I feel your pain but I believe that if we put build servers on a separate mailing list, nobody
will care about failed builds anymore.
How do we go about making less noise, but still making sure the builds are kept working?

Cheers
Andrea

–
Jody Garnett

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@anonymised.com> wrote:

In catching up with some of my coworkers it turns up that they are unable to keep up with the amount of email generated by geoserver-devel. I know I have filters for jira, the build servers, etc… so I can focus on what people say.

Is it worth isolating jira and build servers into a seperate email list, as we have done for commits?

–
Jody Garnett

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comrge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

–

==
GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! Visit
http://goo.gl/it488V for more information.

Ing. Andrea Aime

@geowolf
Technical Lead

GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Via di Montramito 3/A
55054 Massarosa (LU)
phone: +39 0584 962313

fax: +39 0584 1660272
mob: +39 339 8844549

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it

AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003

Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono da considerarsi strettamente riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate nel messaggio stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via e-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso, cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso, divulgarlo anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti, copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce comportamento contrario ai principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.

The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) and may be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree June, 30 2003, no.196 - Italy’s New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and delete the information in this message that has been received in error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability as the content, accuracy or completeness of sent messages and accepts no responsibility for changes made after they were sent or for other risks which arise as a result of e-mail transmission, viruses, etc.

4

Well having a second mailing list will not change to much to me, in a way or the other I will still receive the same mails and rely on filters to organize everything. The downsides will be that the community will have to maintain a second mailing list and developers will have to register on two mailing lists.

Regarding JIRA, I don’t have any ideas how to reduce the number of mails and personally I think it provides me the information I need.

Regarding Jenkins , we could probably come with some rules to reduce the number of mails but in my opinion the system should make all the information available to the community and if someone is not interested he can create a archive/delete rule.

Although as a developer there is three Jenkins states that are very important to me and I would like to be able identify:

  • I broke the build
  • The build is very unstable
  • The build was very unstable and is now back to normal

Right now I don’t have any rule that allow-me to identify those situations and mark them as very important, I need to do some tests to see if can make something like this work :slight_smile:

···

On 10/28/2016 09:30 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

I am not sure, as indicated I use filters so I am not overwhelmed.

We could make a seperate email list for jira to send out notifications to? I think it produces more email then the builds …

–
Jody Garnett

On 28 October 2016 at 09:45, Andrea Aime <andrea.aime@anonymised.com> wrote:

Hi Jody,
I feel your pain but I believe that if we put build servers on a separate mailing list, nobody
will care about failed builds anymore.
How do we go about making less noise, but still making sure the builds are kept working?

Cheers
Andrea

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@anonymised.com> wrote:

In catching up with some of my coworkers it turns up that they are unable to keep up with the amount of email generated by geoserver-devel. I know I have filters for jira, the build servers, etc… so I can focus on what people say.

Is it worth isolating jira and build servers into a seperate email list, as we have done for commits?

–
Jody Garnett

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comrge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

–

==
GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! Visit
http://goo.gl/it488V for more information.

Ing. Andrea Aime

@geowolf
Technical Lead

GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Via di Montramito 3/A
55054 Massarosa (LU)
phone: +39 0584 962313

fax: +39 0584 1660272
mob: +39 339 8844549

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it

AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003

Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono da considerarsi strettamente riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate nel messaggio stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via e-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso, cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso, divulgarlo anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti, copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce comportamento contrario ai principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.

The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) and may be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree June, 30 2003, no.196 - Italy’s New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and delete the information in this message that has been received in error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability as the content, accuracy or completeness of sent messages and accepts no responsibility for changes made after they were sent or for other risks which arise as a result of e-mail transmission, viruses, etc.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive. 
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
[http://sdm.link/telerik](http://sdm.link/telerik)

_______________________________________________
Geoserver-devel mailing list
[Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net](mailto:Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net)
[https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel](https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel)


-- 
==
GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! 
Visit [http://goo.gl/it488V](http://goo.gl/it488V) for more information.
==
Nuno Miguel Carvalho Oliveira
@nmcoliveira
Software Engineer

GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Via di Montramito 3/A
55054  Massarosa (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584 962313
fax:   +39 0584 1660272
mob:   +39  333 8128928

[http://www.geo-solutions.it](http://www.geo-solutions.it)
[http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it](http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it)

-------------------------------------------------------

AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003
Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono
da considerarsi strettamente riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate
nel messaggio stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via e
-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso, cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso, divulgarlo
anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti, copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce comportamento contrario ai
principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.
 
The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended solely for the attention and use of
the named addressee(s) and may be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree
June, 30 2003, no.196 - Italy's New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying,
distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named
addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and delete the
information in this message that has been received in error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability as the content,
accuracy or completeness of sent messages and accepts no responsibility  for changes made after they were sent or for other risks which
arise as a result of e-mail transmission, viruses, etc.
5

I am also sceptical about the benefit of adding new mailing lists. We have a simple message now for new developers: subscribe to geoserver-devel. Do we want to make these instructions more complicated? The single mailing list also allows replies to notifications to be conducted on the list which retains context.

I do not filter geoserver-devel (except for all mails with me in the To: or Cc: to get my attention). Most of the GeoServer traffic I filter is from GitHub and direct OSGeo Jira notifications.

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 29/10/16 11:33, Nuno Oliveira wrote:

Well having a second mailing list will not change to much to me, in a
way or the other I will still receive the same mails and rely on filters
to organize everything. The downsides will be that the community will
have to maintain a second mailing list and developers will have to
register on two mailing lists.

Regarding JIRA, I don't have any ideas how to reduce the number of mails
and personally I think it provides me the information I need.

Regarding Jenkins , we could probably come with some rules to reduce the
number of mails but in my opinion the system should make all the
information available to the community and if someone is not interested
he can create a archive/delete rule.

Although as a developer there is three Jenkins states that are very
important to me and I would like to be able identify:

- I broke the build
- The build is very unstable
- The build was very unstable and is now back to normal

Right now I don't have any rule that allow-me to identify those
situations and mark them as very important, I need to do some tests to
see if can make something like this work :slight_smile:

On 10/28/2016 09:30 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

I am not sure, as indicated I use filters so I am not overwhelmed.

We could make a seperate email list for jira to send out notifications
to? I think it produces more email then the builds ...

--
Jody Garnett

On 28 October 2016 at 09:45, Andrea Aime <andrea.aime@anonymised.com
<mailto:andrea.aime@anonymised.com>> wrote:

    Hi Jody,
    I feel your pain but I believe that if we put build servers on a
    separate mailing list, nobody
    will care about failed builds anymore.
    How do we go about making less noise, but still making sure the
    builds are kept working?

    Cheers
    Andrea

    On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jody Garnett
    <jody.garnett@anonymised.com <mailto:jody.garnett@anonymised.com>> wrote:

        In catching up with some of my coworkers it turns up that they
        are unable to keep up with the amount of email generated by
        geoserver-devel. I know I have filters for jira, the build
        servers, etc... so I can focus on what people say.

        Is it worth isolating jira and build servers into a seperate
        email list, as we have done for commits?
        --
        Jody Garnett

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
        Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
        Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
        Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET> CLI. Get your
        free copy!
        http://sdm.link/telerik
        _______________________________________________
        Geoserver-devel mailing list
        Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
        <mailto:Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
        https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel
        <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel&gt;

    -- ==
    GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! Visit
    http://goo.gl/it488V for more information.
    ==

    Ing. Andrea Aime
    @geowolf
    Technical Lead

    GeoSolutions S.A.S.
    Via di Montramito 3/A
    55054 Massarosa (LU)
    phone: +39 0584 962313 <tel:%2B39%200584%20962313>
    fax: +39 0584 1660272 <tel:%2B39%200584%201660272>
    mob: +39 339 8844549 <tel:%2B39%20%C2%A0339%208844549>

    http://www.geo-solutions.it
    http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it
    <http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it&gt;

    *AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003*

    Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica
    e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono da considerarsi strettamente
    riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al
    destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate nel messaggio
    stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il
    destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via
    e-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso,
    cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso,
    divulgarlo anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti,
    copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce
    comportamento contrario ai principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.

    The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended
    solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) and may
    be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the
    provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree June, 30 2003,
    no.196 - Italy's New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord
    with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying,
    distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is
    strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named
    addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please
    contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and
    delete the information in this message that has been received in
    error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability
    as the content, accuracy or completeness of sent messages and
    accepts no responsibility for changes made after they were sent
    or for other risks which arise as a result of e-mail transmission,
    viruses, etc.

    -------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

_______________________________________________
Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

_______________________________________________
Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@anonymised.com>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/&gt;
New Zealand

6

To clarify, I do filter all geoserver-devel emails into one list-specific folder, but I do not try to filter out Jira and Jenkins notifications sent to geoserver-devel. I only filter out the ones that mention me in the To: or Cc: for special attention.

If I had all my mailing lists messages in my top-level Inbox, I would be sad.

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 29/10/16 16:49, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

I am also sceptical about the benefit of adding new mailing lists. We
have a simple message now for new developers: subscribe to
geoserver-devel. Do we want to make these instructions more complicated?
The single mailing list also allows replies to notifications to be
conducted on the list which retains context.

I do not filter geoserver-devel (except for all mails with me in the To:
or Cc: to get my attention). Most of the GeoServer traffic I filter is
from GitHub and direct OSGeo Jira notifications.

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 29/10/16 11:33, Nuno Oliveira wrote:

Well having a second mailing list will not change to much to me, in a
way or the other I will still receive the same mails and rely on filters
to organize everything. The downsides will be that the community will
have to maintain a second mailing list and developers will have to
register on two mailing lists.

Regarding JIRA, I don't have any ideas how to reduce the number of mails
and personally I think it provides me the information I need.

Regarding Jenkins , we could probably come with some rules to reduce the
number of mails but in my opinion the system should make all the
information available to the community and if someone is not interested
he can create a archive/delete rule.

Although as a developer there is three Jenkins states that are very
important to me and I would like to be able identify:

- I broke the build
- The build is very unstable
- The build was very unstable and is now back to normal

Right now I don't have any rule that allow-me to identify those
situations and mark them as very important, I need to do some tests to
see if can make something like this work :slight_smile:

On 10/28/2016 09:30 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

I am not sure, as indicated I use filters so I am not overwhelmed.

We could make a seperate email list for jira to send out notifications
to? I think it produces more email then the builds ...

--
Jody Garnett

On 28 October 2016 at 09:45, Andrea Aime <andrea.aime@anonymised.com
<mailto:andrea.aime@anonymised.com>> wrote:

    Hi Jody,
    I feel your pain but I believe that if we put build servers on a
    separate mailing list, nobody
    will care about failed builds anymore.
    How do we go about making less noise, but still making sure the
    builds are kept working?

    Cheers
    Andrea

    On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jody Garnett
    <jody.garnett@anonymised.com <mailto:jody.garnett@anonymised.com>> wrote:

        In catching up with some of my coworkers it turns up that they
        are unable to keep up with the amount of email generated by
        geoserver-devel. I know I have filters for jira, the build
        servers, etc... so I can focus on what people say.

        Is it worth isolating jira and build servers into a seperate
        email list, as we have done for commits?
        --
        Jody Garnett

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
        Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
        Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
        Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET> CLI. Get your
        free copy!
        http://sdm.link/telerik
        _______________________________________________
        Geoserver-devel mailing list
        Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
        <mailto:Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
        https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel
        <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel&gt;

    -- ==
    GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! Visit
    http://goo.gl/it488V for more information.
    ==

    Ing. Andrea Aime
    @geowolf
    Technical Lead

    GeoSolutions S.A.S.
    Via di Montramito 3/A
    55054 Massarosa (LU)
    phone: +39 0584 962313 <tel:%2B39%200584%20962313>
    fax: +39 0584 1660272 <tel:%2B39%200584%201660272>
    mob: +39 339 8844549 <tel:%2B39%20%C2%A0339%208844549>

    http://www.geo-solutions.it
    http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it
    <http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it&gt;

    *AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003*

    Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica
    e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono da considerarsi strettamente
    riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al
    destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate nel messaggio
    stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il
    destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via
    e-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso,
    cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso,
    divulgarlo anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti,
    copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce
    comportamento contrario ai principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.

    The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended
    solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) and may
    be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the
    provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree June, 30 2003,
    no.196 - Italy's New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord
    with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying,
    distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is
    strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named
    addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please
    contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and
    delete the information in this message that has been received in
    error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability
    as the content, accuracy or completeness of sent messages and
    accepts no responsibility for changes made after they were sent
    or for other risks which arise as a result of e-mail transmission,
    viruses, etc.

    -------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

_______________________________________________
Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

_______________________________________________
Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@anonymised.com>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/&gt;
New Zealand

7

Wondering if we should just add some documentation/suggestions on how to add
filters to better organize geoserver-devel mail flow?

Cheers
Andrea

···

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 5:54 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@anonymised.com> wrote:

To clarify, I do filter all geoserver-devel emails into one
list-specific folder, but I do not try to filter out Jira and Jenkins
notifications sent to geoserver-devel. I only filter out the ones that
mention me in the To: or Cc: for special attention.

If I had all my mailing lists messages in my top-level Inbox, I would be
sad.

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 29/10/16 16:49, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

I am also sceptical about the benefit of adding new mailing lists. We
have a simple message now for new developers: subscribe to
geoserver-devel. Do we want to make these instructions more complicated?
The single mailing list also allows replies to notifications to be
conducted on the list which retains context.

I do not filter geoserver-devel (except for all mails with me in the To:
or Cc: to get my attention). Most of the GeoServer traffic I filter is
from GitHub and direct OSGeo Jira notifications.

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 29/10/16 11:33, Nuno Oliveira wrote:

Well having a second mailing list will not change to much to me, in a
way or the other I will still receive the same mails and rely on filters
to organize everything. The downsides will be that the community will
have to maintain a second mailing list and developers will have to
register on two mailing lists.

Regarding JIRA, I don’t have any ideas how to reduce the number of mails
and personally I think it provides me the information I need.

Regarding Jenkins , we could probably come with some rules to reduce the
number of mails but in my opinion the system should make all the
information available to the community and if someone is not interested
he can create a archive/delete rule.

Although as a developer there is three Jenkins states that are very
important to me and I would like to be able identify:

  • I broke the build
  • The build is very unstable
  • The build was very unstable and is now back to normal

Right now I don’t have any rule that allow-me to identify those
situations and mark them as very important, I need to do some tests to
see if can make something like this work :slight_smile:

On 10/28/2016 09:30 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

I am not sure, as indicated I use filters so I am not overwhelmed.

We could make a seperate email list for jira to send out notifications
to? I think it produces more email then the builds …

–
Jody Garnett

On 28 October 2016 at 09:45, Andrea Aime <andrea.aime@anonymised.com
mailto:[andrea.aime@anonymised.comsolutions.it](mailto:andrea.aime@anonymised.com)> wrote:

Hi Jody,
I feel your pain but I believe that if we put build servers on a
separate mailing list, nobody
will care about failed builds anymore.
How do we go about making less noise, but still making sure the
builds are kept working?

Cheers
Andrea

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jody Garnett
<jody.garnett@anonymised.com mailto:[jody.garnett@anonymised.com](mailto:jody.garnett@anonymised.com403...)> wrote:

In catching up with some of my coworkers it turns up that they
are unable to keep up with the amount of email generated by
geoserver-devel. I know I have filters for jira, the build
servers, etc… so I can focus on what people say.

Is it worth isolating jira and build servers into a seperate
email list, as we have done for commits?

Jody Garnett

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET> CLI. Get your
free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comsourceforge.net
mailto:[Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comsourceforge.net](mailto:Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net)
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel
<https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel>

– ==
GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! Visit
http://goo.gl/it488V for more information.

Ing. Andrea Aime
@anonymised.com
Technical Lead

GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Via di Montramito 3/A
55054 Massarosa (LU)
phone: +39 0584 962313 tel:%2B39%200584%20962313
fax: +39 0584 1660272 tel:%2B39%200584%201660272
mob: +39 339 8844549 tel:%2B39%20 339%208844549

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it
<http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it>

AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003

Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica
e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono da considerarsi strettamente
riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al
destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate nel messaggio
stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il
destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via
e-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso,
cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso,
divulgarlo anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti,
copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce
comportamento contrario ai principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.

The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended
solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) and may
be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the
provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree June, 30 2003,
no.196 - Italy’s New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord
with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying,
distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is
strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named
addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please
contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and
delete the information in this message that has been received in
error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability
as the content, accuracy or completeness of sent messages and
accepts no responsibility for changes made after they were sent
or for other risks which arise as a result of e-mail transmission,
viruses, etc.

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comsourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comsourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

–
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@anonymised.com>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.com.366…sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

–

==
GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! Visit
http://goo.gl/it488V for more information.

Ing. Andrea Aime

@geowolf
Technical Lead

GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Via di Montramito 3/A
55054 Massarosa (LU)
phone: +39 0584 962313

fax: +39 0584 1660272
mob: +39 339 8844549

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it

AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003

Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono da considerarsi strettamente riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate nel messaggio stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via e-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso, cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso, divulgarlo anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti, copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce comportamento contrario ai principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.

The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) and may be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree June, 30 2003, no.196 - Italy’s New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and delete the information in this message that has been received in error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability as the content, accuracy or completeness of sent messages and accepts no responsibility for changes made after they were sent or for other risks which arise as a result of e-mail transmission, viruses, etc.

8

+1 it will be good provide some documentation about the notifications a GeoServer developer should expect,
and how rules could be wrote for the different notifications (it mails headers we should expect, origin address, etc …).

I have done a quick search and apparently is possible to share filters rules in thunderbird :slight_smile:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=259944

···

On 10/29/2016 09:47 AM, Andrea Aime wrote:

Wondering if we should just add some documentation/suggestions on how to add
filters to better organize geoserver-devel mail flow?

Cheers
Andrea

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 5:54 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@anonymised.com> wrote:

To clarify, I do filter all geoserver-devel emails into one
list-specific folder, but I do not try to filter out Jira and Jenkins
notifications sent to geoserver-devel. I only filter out the ones that
mention me in the To: or Cc: for special attention.

If I had all my mailing lists messages in my top-level Inbox, I would be
sad.

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 29/10/16 16:49, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

I am also sceptical about the benefit of adding new mailing lists. We
have a simple message now for new developers: subscribe to
geoserver-devel. Do we want to make these instructions more complicated?
The single mailing list also allows replies to notifications to be
conducted on the list which retains context.

I do not filter geoserver-devel (except for all mails with me in the To:
or Cc: to get my attention). Most of the GeoServer traffic I filter is
from GitHub and direct OSGeo Jira notifications.

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 29/10/16 11:33, Nuno Oliveira wrote:

Well having a second mailing list will not change to much to me, in a
way or the other I will still receive the same mails and rely on filters
to organize everything. The downsides will be that the community will
have to maintain a second mailing list and developers will have to
register on two mailing lists.

Regarding JIRA, I don’t have any ideas how to reduce the number of mails
and personally I think it provides me the information I need.

Regarding Jenkins , we could probably come with some rules to reduce the
number of mails but in my opinion the system should make all the
information available to the community and if someone is not interested
he can create a archive/delete rule.

Although as a developer there is three Jenkins states that are very
important to me and I would like to be able identify:

  • I broke the build
  • The build is very unstable
  • The build was very unstable and is now back to normal

Right now I don’t have any rule that allow-me to identify those
situations and mark them as very important, I need to do some tests to
see if can make something like this work :slight_smile:

On 10/28/2016 09:30 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

I am not sure, as indicated I use filters so I am not overwhelmed.

We could make a seperate email list for jira to send out notifications
to? I think it produces more email then the builds …

–
Jody Garnett

On 28 October 2016 at 09:45, Andrea Aime <andrea.aime@anonymised.com
mailto:[andrea.aime@anonymised.comsolutions.it](mailto:andrea.aime@anonymised.com)> wrote:

Hi Jody,
I feel your pain but I believe that if we put build servers on a
separate mailing list, nobody
will care about failed builds anymore.
How do we go about making less noise, but still making sure the
builds are kept working?

Cheers
Andrea

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jody Garnett
<jody.garnett@anonymised.com mailto:[jody.garnett@anonymised.com](mailto:jody.garnett@anonymised.com)> wrote:

In catching up with some of my coworkers it turns up that they
are unable to keep up with the amount of email generated by
geoserver-devel. I know I have filters for jira, the build
servers, etc… so I can focus on what people say.

Is it worth isolating jira and build servers into a seperate
email list, as we have done for commits?

Jody Garnett

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET> CLI. Get your
free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comsourceforge.net
mailto:[Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comsourceforge.net](mailto:Geoserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net)
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel
<https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel>

– ==
GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! Visit
http://goo.gl/it488V for more information.

Ing. Andrea Aime
@geowolf
Technical Lead

GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Via di Montramito 3/A
55054 Massarosa (LU)
phone: +39 0584 962313 tel:%2B39%200584%20962313
fax: +39 0584 1660272 tel:%2B39%200584%201660272
mob: +39 339 8844549 tel:%2B39%20 339%208844549

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it
<http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it>

AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003

Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica
e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono da considerarsi strettamente
riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al
destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate nel messaggio
stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il
destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via
e-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso,
cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso,
divulgarlo anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti,
copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce
comportamento contrario ai principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.

The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended
solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) and may
be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the
provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree June, 30 2003,
no.196 - Italy’s New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord
with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying,
distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is
strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named
addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please
contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and
delete the information in this message that has been received in
error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability
as the content, accuracy or completeness of sent messages and
accepts no responsibility for changes made after they were sent
or for other risks which arise as a result of e-mail transmission,
viruses, etc.

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comsourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comsourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

–
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@anonymised.com>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

The Command Line: Reinvented for Modern Developers
Did the resurgence of CLI tooling catch you by surprise?
Reconnect with the command line and become more productive.
Learn the new .NET and ASP.NET CLI. Get your free copy!
http://sdm.link/telerik

Geoserver-devel mailing list
Geoserver-devel@anonymised.comsourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-devel

–

==
GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! Visit
http://goo.gl/it488V for more information.

Ing. Andrea Aime

@geowolf
Technical Lead

GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Via di Montramito 3/A
55054 Massarosa (LU)
phone: +39 0584 962313

fax: +39 0584 1660272
mob: +39 339 8844549

http://www.geo-solutions.it
http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it

AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003

Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono da considerarsi strettamente riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate nel messaggio stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via e-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso, cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso, divulgarlo anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti, copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce comportamento contrario ai principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.

The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) and may be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree June, 30 2003, no.196 - Italy’s New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and delete the information in this message that has been received in error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability as the content, accuracy or completeness of sent messages and accepts no responsibility for changes made after they were sent or for other risks which arise as a result of e-mail transmission, viruses, etc.

-- 
==
GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! 
Visit [http://goo.gl/it488V](http://goo.gl/it488V) for more information.
==
Nuno Miguel Carvalho Oliveira
@nmcoliveira
Software Engineer

GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Via di Montramito 3/A
55054  Massarosa (LU)
Italy

phone: +39 0584 962313
fax:   +39 0584 1660272
mob:   +39  333 8128928

[http://www.geo-solutions.it](http://www.geo-solutions.it)
[http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it](http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it)

-------------------------------------------------------

AVVERTENZE AI SENSI DEL D.Lgs. 196/2003
Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica e/o nel/i file/s allegato/i sono
da considerarsi strettamente riservate. Il loro utilizzo è consentito esclusivamente al destinatario del messaggio, per le finalità indicate
nel messaggio stesso. Qualora riceviate questo messaggio senza esserne il destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia via e
-mail e di procedere alla distruzione del messaggio stesso, cancellandolo dal Vostro sistema. Conservare il messaggio stesso, divulgarlo
anche in parte, distribuirlo ad altri soggetti, copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalità diverse, costituisce comportamento contrario ai
principi dettati dal D.Lgs. 196/2003.
 
The information in this message and/or attachments, is intended solely for the attention and use of
the named addressee(s) and may be confidential or proprietary in nature or covered by the provisions of privacy act (Legislative Decree
June, 30 2003, no.196 - Italy's New Data Protection Code).Any use not in accord with its purpose, any disclosure, reproduction, copying,
distribution, or either dissemination, either whole or partial, is strictly forbidden except previous formal approval of the named
addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please contact immediately the sender by telephone, fax or e-mail and delete the
information in this message that has been received in error. The sender does not give any warranty or accept liability as the content,
accuracy or completeness of sent messages and accepts no responsibility  for changes made after they were sent or for other risks which
arise as a result of e-mail transmission, viruses, etc.