The following proposal has been made:
Asking for a response by April 13th:
Alessio Fabiani:
Andrea Aime:
Brad Hards:
Ian Turton:
Jody Garnett: +1
Jukka Rahkonen:
Kevin Smith:
Simone Giannecchini:
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Jody Garnett
interesting…
+0
Ing. Simone Giannecchini
@simogeo
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+0
Ian
Ian Turton
+1 on the usefulness of the proposal.
Given GSIPs stay there “forever” and are referred to from release notes, I’d appreciate
a more professional take on the language, e.g., this is just flamebait:
“The power of being able to advertise an input class is severely crippled by GeoServer’s inability to create readers with alternative input classes.”
Cheers
Andrea
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Ing. Alessio Fabiani
@alfa7691
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GeoSolutions S.A.S.
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I disagree with the term “flaimbait”. Definitely not my intention. Perhaps something is being lost in translation?
I was attempting to emphasize that there is a very useful/powerful construct in place (the advertised input classes in the SPIs) that GeoServer isn’t really taking advantage of and this GSIP releases the full power of it. Not trying to flame or bait anybody here…
That being said, I am happy to change the verbiage to anything more agreeable.
I disagree with the term “flaimbait”. Definitely not my intention. Perhaps something is being lost in translation?
Nothing is lost, but people can have different sensibilities, using strong words definitely triggers some. I find that text offensive, even if I was no involved that particular bit of code.
“The power of being able to advertise an input class is severely crippled by GeoServer’s inability to create readers with alternative input classes.”
Cripple is already a strong image, see the definition of the verb (scroll down a bit):
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/it/dizionario/inglese/cripple
However, it seems it was not enough, “severely” had to be added for good measure.
A more balanced way to convey what’s needed to support the GSIP objective could be:
“Readers can support any type of input object, but the current GeoServer code only supports interpreting the input string as a File/URL. This GSIP intends to remove this limitation with a new extensions point.”
Plain, factual, positive.
Cheers
Andrea
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I apologize for offending you, but I still strongly disagree with being called out for using “flamebait”. I was addressing a technical capability, not trying to offend a developer or critique what anybody has done or the code they have written.
The word “disable” or “disabled” can also invoke strong images:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/it/dizionario/inglese/disabled
But we use that term constantly in this field – an interface, a port, or an account can all be “disabled”.
“Severely” is 100% a strong adverb. I was trying to sell the issue to the people who approve it, but again, it wasn’t intended to offend or hurt anybody’s feelings. If I were to say, “Not having gas in my car severely cripples my ability to drive.”, it’s not an insult against the car manufacturer, the gas or oil companies, or anyone who has ever driven the car. It’s simply a statement of fact about the car’s current capabilities, and that’s the exact same perspective I had when I wrote that sentence.
I am still fairly new to this community and trying hard to bring COG capabilities to GeoServer. I’m really hoping to be a positive presence and bring valuable contributions to the table. However in the future, if our sensibilities don’t align and there is something that is offensive or you believe can easily taken the wrong way, definitely let me know and I will be more than happy to fix it. I only ask that you don’t immediately, publicly accuse me of posting “flamebait”.
But again, I apologize to you and whoever else was offended. I simply removed the offending sentence as the point is still perfectly conveyed without it and that’s the last I’ll say about it.
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:26 AM Andrea Aime <andrea.aime@anonymised.com…> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:05 PM Josh Fix <josh@anonymised.com> wrote:
I disagree with the term “flaimbait”. Definitely not my intention. Perhaps something is being lost in translation?
Nothing is lost, but people can have different sensibilities, using strong words definitely triggers some. I find that text offensive, even if I was no involved that particular bit of code.
“The power of being able to advertise an input class is severely crippled by GeoServer’s inability to create readers with alternative input classes.”
Cripple is already a strong image, see the definition of the verb (scroll down a bit):
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/it/dizionario/inglese/crippleHowever, it seems it was not enough, “severely” had to be added for good measure.
A more balanced way to convey what’s needed to support the GSIP objective could be:
“Readers can support any type of input object, but the current GeoServer code only supports interpreting the input string as a File/URL. This GSIP intends to remove this limitation with a new extensions point.”
Plain, factual, positive.
Cheers
Andrea==
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Josh Fix
Systems Architect
Planet Federal
+1 321.444.0412
Hi Josh,
no worries… different sensibilities, different mother languages, no body language or voice tone to interpret writings.
The most important thing here is the work that you are pushing forward which is quite important for GeoServer in certain domains!
Ing. Simone Giannecchini
@simogeo
Founder/Director
GeoSolutions S.A.S.
Via di Montramito 3/A
55054 Massarosa (LU)
Italy
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fax: +39 0584 1660272
mob: +39 333 8128928
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Josh,
It was poorly worded and Andrea is entitled to ask for you to update the GISP. if anyone says that your words have offended them then our code of conduct says you should withdraw and fix them not argue.
Please be mindful of polite intercourse rules
Ian
Ian Turton
I apologize, guess I’ve used a too strong term to characterize a sentence that I’ve found inappropriate and offensive.
Cheers
Andrea
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