Hi, was trying to post the logs of today's IRC meeting for like an hour but
codehaus doesn't let me add it.
Would someone be so kind of posting them for me?
thanks,
Gabriel
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jun 13 21:55:43 <jgarnett> hi clint
jun 13 21:55:49 <jgarnett> and gabriel?
jun 13 21:55:54 --> Jesse_Eichar77 (n=Jesse_Ei@anonymised.com) has
joined GeoServer
jun 13 21:56:09 <groldan> hi Jody
jun 13 21:56:38 <jgarnett> Hi, apparently Justin is away picking up his mom
from the airport.
jun 13 21:56:42 <jgarnett> Hi Jesse.
jun 13 21:57:00 <groldan> good boy justin
jun 13 21:57:06 <jgarnett> anybody seen brent?
jun 13 21:57:09 <groldan> do we have a meeting today?
jun 13 21:57:10 <groldan> nope
jun 13 21:57:20 <jgarnett> yes we do, right now.
jun 13 21:57:45 <jgarnett> I would like to do the earlier meeting as well if
we can - simply so we can talk to Andrea in a more formal setting.
jun 13 21:57:47 <groldan> didn't had time to check out the email list, any
agenda item already?
jun 13 21:58:14 <jgarnett> some left overs from last week.
jun 13 21:58:33 <clint_> Hi everyone///
jun 13 21:58:43 <groldan> hi Clint
jun 13 21:58:59 <jgarnett> PSC document was to be revised and adopted, wanted
to kick of the proposal process (jesse has provided the first topic thanks
jesse)
jun 13 21:59:24 <clint_> changing the earlier meeting time
jun 13 21:59:39 <jgarnett> so with just us this will go quick, I had some
technical 1.4.x questions for Justin - but perhaps I can ask clint_ instead?
jun 13 21:59:47 <jgarnett> how about you gabriel?
jun 13 22:00:22 <groldan> I'm interested in changing the early meeting time
jun 13 22:00:24 <clint_> shoot..
jun 13 22:00:31 <jgarnett> oh, apparently TOPP email is out - so they are not
just ignoring us.
jun 13 22:00:51 <jgarnett> gabriel want to run this meeting? should be
quick ...
jun 13 22:01:10 <groldan> ok
jun 13 22:01:31 <groldan> 1) early meeting time
jun 13 22:01:53 <groldan> 2)PSC doc
jun 13 22:02:02 --- jgarnett has changed the topic to: 1)changing meeting time
2) PSC process adoption 3) proposal
jun 13 22:02:14 <clint_> can we start?
jun 13 22:02:15 <groldan> 3) jesse's new geoserver module?
jun 13 22:02:16 --- jgarnett has changed the topic to: 1)changing meeting time
2) PSC process adoption 3) proposal 4) IRC breakout on 1.4.x
jun 13 22:02:49 <groldan> Jesse_Eichar77, would you like to talk about your
new geoserver module?
jun 13 22:03:19 <Jesse_Eichar77> sure
jun 13 22:03:29 <Jesse_Eichar77> Its pretty simple
jun 13 22:03:32 <groldan> ok, what was the feedback about the early meeting
time?
jun 13 22:03:50 <Jesse_Eichar77> would that be 5) geoserver module?
jun 13 22:03:58 <clint_> Andrea needs an earlier meeting time
jun 13 22:04:14 <clint_> there was a proposal for UTC 07:00am
jun 13 22:04:23 <clint_> I sent a mail about it..
jun 13 22:04:30 <clint_> to the geoserver list
jun 13 22:04:35 <jgarnett> was thinking 3) proposal ...
jun 13 22:04:47 <jgarnett> Jesse I will copy your proposal to a page on
GEOSDEV okay?
jun 13 22:05:09 <groldan> so nobody pronounced against or for it?
jun 13 22:05:30 <groldan> who is currently attending the early meeting? I
guess nobody?
jun 13 22:05:35 <jgarnett> well the PSC is supposed to do that ... so perhaps
we should just set that up 
jun 13 22:05:42 <clint_> Nobody..
jun 13 22:05:53 <clint_> I pitched this morn... nobody pitched
jun 13 22:06:28 <groldan> sounds like a headless geoserver or just a really
bad time 
jun 13 22:06:59 <clint_> The problem is andrea cannot make the current meeting
times?
jun 13 22:07:05 <clint_> he wants to attend..?
jun 13 22:07:14 <groldan> And we need andrea
jun 13 22:07:19 <clint_> He asked really nicely
jun 13 22:07:31 <clint_> We surely do!!
jun 13 22:07:48 <jgarnett> okay I am in favour of moving the time to say 10am
local time, back 3 hours from where it is now.
jun 13 22:08:02 <jgarnett> in work hours for those on this side of the drink.
jun 13 22:08:18 <jgarnett> clint your pitch was for 9am, I may be more lazy
then that if we are staying up to talk to Jesse.
jun 13 22:08:51 <clint_> 10am SAST is like 02am canadian
jun 13 22:09:08 <clint_> sorry 04:00am
jun 13 22:09:25 <clint_> and NY is 01:00 am
jun 13 22:09:39 <clint_> but they will attend the later meeting right?
jun 13 22:09:46 <jgarnett> Gabriel, clint this one is up to you guys ...
jun 13 22:09:52 <jgarnett> they will attend the second meeting.
jun 13 22:09:53 <groldan> so we still don't have a time that fits both andrea
and america
jun 13 22:10:03 <clint_> What time zone are you in Gabriel?
jun 13 22:10:06 <groldan> what about changing the date instead of the time?
jun 13 22:10:16 <groldan> I mean, I guess andrea could attend on wensday?
jun 13 22:10:41 <clint_> Jesse..
jun 13 22:10:48 <clint_> yahoo louiecwza
jun 13 22:11:11 <Jesse_Eichar77> ?
jun 13 22:11:15 <jgarnett> ack I am already in 2 nights late, got not internet
at home ...
jun 13 22:11:16 <groldan> I'm +1, +2 on summer time
jun 13 22:11:54 <groldan> that is, 9pm for the late meeting
jun 13 22:12:15 <clint_> jesse please add me to yahoo ==> louiecwza
jun 13 22:12:29 <jgarnett> agreed, that is just *too* late for here, not safe
to drive home at 10pm etc...
jun 13 22:12:32 <clint_> what is your yahoo?
jun 13 22:12:43 <jgarnett> so gabriel what time during the day could you make?
jun 13 22:13:19 <groldan> time is going off, could we, people with immediate
interests, arrange for a meeting time that fits andrea and us, at least
temporally?
jun 13 22:13:56 <jgarnett> okay I will change the time ... next agenda item?
jun 13 22:14:44 <jgarnett> 2) PSC proposal
jun 13 22:15:15 <groldan> we don't have Chris to complain here...
jun 13 22:15:18 <jgarnett> there were some corrections to be made, and we
needed to choose between the commiters voting in the chair and/or the Chair.
jun 13 22:16:18 <jgarnett> so what do we need to do here?
jun 13 22:16:30 <jgarnett> start the vote? update the page...
jun 13 22:16:52 <jgarnett> I am still trying to update the meeting time.
jun 13 22:18:03 <groldan> I guess update the page and ask Chris for
review/comments
jun 13 22:18:24 <jgarnett> nope we had two weeks of that already, lets make a
decision here and now and get the voting going ...
jun 13 22:18:45 <jgarnett> so lets get the chair to choose the first round of
PSC? less process to start out with.
jun 13 22:18:55 <jgarnett> Procedure for choosing the chair remains the same.
jun 13 22:20:11 <groldan> I'm all for letting the ball rolling and adjust the
points as needed. Do we have some more about proposals?
jun 13 22:20:27 <groldan> I guess that's what Chris wanted to see? formal
proposals for changes
jun 13 22:20:43 <jgarnett> yes, and he got that. we needed to add the IP check
in there.
jun 13 22:20:55 <jgarnett> but the proposal thing should be a seperate page?
jun 13 22:21:13 <jgarnett> Clint meeting time updated:
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/IRC
jun 13 22:21:32 <jgarnett> here is the page we are talking about:
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/0+Project+Steering+Committee
jun 13 22:21:42 <jgarnett> I will edit you guys want to tell me what to type?
jun 13 22:22:34 <jgarnett> So for the "Nomination Process" "Alternative B" ?
jun 13 22:23:13 <jgarnett> or Alternative A?
jun 13 22:24:20 <groldan> hmmmm.... right now its hard to choose a chair
besides Chris?
jun 13 22:25:09 <jgarnett> So lets go with alternative A and ask the commiters
to think ...
jun 13 22:25:24 <groldan> yes
jun 13 22:25:50 <jgarnett> I am going to send an email to geoserver-devel
about these IRC meetings, we are here to engage TOPP formally right now and
not one of them is here. While it speaks to the need for a PSC it is hard to
bootstrap.
jun 13 22:26:38 <groldan> and we have immediate needs that have to be
addressed
jun 13 22:26:38 <jgarnett> updated the page, remembered to add IP to the list
of things PSC responsible for minding
jun 13 22:26:40 <groldan> lets do that
jun 13 22:27:01 <jgarnett> okay page is updated.
jun 13 22:27:34 <groldan> ok, ask people to send votes to brent so?
jun 13 22:28:07 <groldan> 3) proposal
jun 13 22:28:13 <groldan> the floor is yours
jun 13 22:28:52 <Jesse_Eichar77> I'm the proposal?
jun 13 22:29:34 <Jesse_Eichar77> Simple it is a spring module using spring
remoting that allows preferences to be stored. I'm making a Hibernate
implementation and probably a file implementation
jun 13 22:29:44 <Jesse_Eichar77> (for testing)
jun 13 22:30:02 <Jesse_Eichar77> it just takes key-value pairs and just
strings for now.
jun 13 22:30:13 <Jesse_Eichar77> It is based on the eclipse PreferenceStore
jun 13 22:30:15 <jgarnett> Sent email out, if anybody can sanity check that
page again, not sure I got all the feedback from last meeting
jun 13 22:30:16 <Jesse_Eichar77> interface
jun 13 22:30:50 <jgarnett> Jesse I would like to confirm that this module can
be used by other modules to store their configuration?
jun 13 22:31:03 <jgarnett> (or should I say preferences?)
jun 13 22:31:16 <Jesse_Eichar77> of course.
jun 13 22:31:30 <groldan> was just going to ask that. So that's the value
added by the module
jun 13 22:32:01 <Jesse_Eichar77> exactly. a client can set the
configuration/preference and all the modules can use them.
jun 13 22:32:03 <groldan> could you state a couple examples what an existing
module would use it for?
jun 13 22:32:06 <jgarnett> I like it jesse, the OpenSDI list argued about this
for a month - this is the first progress I have seen.
jun 13 22:32:34 <Jesse_Eichar77> Just off the top of my head.
jun 13 22:32:39 <jgarnett> A catalog could use it to hold its entries. A wms
could use it to hold its SLD objects.
jun 13 22:32:44 <Jesse_Eichar77> wfs and wms both store configuration
information.
jun 13 22:32:52 <Jesse_Eichar77> yeah sld docs too.
jun 13 22:33:13 <groldan> could a client use it to hold its state (may be as a
WMC doc)
jun 13 22:33:14 <groldan> ?
jun 13 22:33:25 <Jesse_Eichar77> a client like udig could provide an
alternative implementation for example.
jun 13 22:33:30 <Jesse_Eichar77> no reason why not.
jun 13 22:33:35 <Jesse_Eichar77> I'm not limiting its use.
jun 13 22:33:44 <Jesse_Eichar77> it is just a preference store.
jun 13 22:33:45 <jgarnett> It is a service to store configuration.
jun 13 22:33:52 <Jesse_Eichar77> accessible by the client or the modules.
jun 13 22:34:35 <groldan> ok, so you're going to set it up as a community
module
jun 13 22:34:43 <jgarnett> Jesse, later could we allow for other ways to
access this besides spring remoting? Wrap it up for mapserver to store its
configuration into.
jun 13 22:34:43 <Jesse_Eichar77> that's right
jun 13 22:34:55 <jgarnett> (MapServer people were on the OpenSDI list asking
last year)
jun 13 22:35:16 <groldan> is spring remoting SOAP friendly? (sorry for my
ignorance)
jun 13 22:35:32 <Jesse_Eichar77> My original design was to have URL get
requests be able to hit it. I don't know SOAP so probably not going to do
that.
jun 13 22:36:37 <jgarnett> not sure gabriel. Since it amounts to a java
interface we can probably serve it up quite nicely using SOAP
jun 13 22:37:22 <groldan> I'm just asking cause most people ask for that kind
of standard web services
jun 13 22:37:37 <jgarnett> Agreed, something to ask andrea about.
jun 13 22:37:54 <groldan> I'm ok with it jesse, go ahead at least someone has
something else to say
jun 13 22:37:55 <jgarnett> There are lots of choice to go from java bean to
WSDL (aka service descriptor for SOAP)
jun 13 22:38:15 <jgarnett> Thanks for doing the proposal thing Jesse,
hopefully we will get better at this.
jun 13 22:39:11 <jgarnett> So is that accepted for now?
jun 13 22:39:32 <clint_> jdbc:oracle:thin:@<server>[:<1521>]:<database_name>
jun 13 22:39:37 <jgarnett> do you have svn access and so on Jesse?
jun 13 22:39:41 <clint_> for jesse
jun 13 22:39:47 <jgarnett> clint? I think you got the wrong window...
jun 13 22:39:57 <Jesse_Eichar77> no
jun 13 22:39:58 <groldan> it is accepted
jun 13 22:40:13 <Jesse_Eichar77> woo hoo! I win!
jun 13 22:40:19 <Jesse_Eichar77> Thanks
jun 13 22:40:40 <groldan> do modules will use it through api or service?
jun 13 22:41:18 <jgarnett> sent out the email
jun 13 22:41:20 <Jesse_Eichar77> I don't really know enough to give an
informed answer.
jun 13 22:41:23 <Jesse_Eichar77> what do you think?
jun 13 22:41:30 <Jesse_Eichar77> API is easier to program I think
jun 13 22:41:44 <Jesse_Eichar77> and other systems can use it via service?
jun 13 22:42:04 <groldan> I like java land keep java, let remote for wonder
land
jun 13 22:42:10 <jgarnett> um jesse what do you want to call your module?
writing up the page ...
jun 13 22:42:11 <groldan> yes
jun 13 22:42:41 <Jesse_Eichar77> preferences? There is already a config
module
jun 13 22:42:41 <jgarnett> gabriel with spring remoting their is no
difference, the interface is used on the client side, they do their AOP
wrapper magic to catch and remote all the calls
jun 13 22:42:46 <groldan> and nowadays its easier to do that
jun 13 22:42:48 <jgarnett> over to the server side where the implementation
rests
jun 13 22:42:48 <groldan> exactly
jun 13 22:43:28 <groldan> will you call it just "preferences"?
jun 13 22:44:14 <jgarnett> preferences implies optional - as in service making
use of preferences should be able to function regardless.
jun 13 22:44:16 <jgarnett> Is that cool?
jun 13 22:44:23 <jgarnett>
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/Proposal+Preference+Store+Service
jun 13 22:45:12 <Jesse_Eichar77> cool
jun 13 22:45:14 <groldan> thanks jody
jun 13 22:45:15 <jgarnett> apparently so cool it is cold.
jun 13 22:45:37 <jgarnett> Last one - Justin did not make it - and via email I
have expressed several concerns that I need addressed/answered.
jun 13 22:45:41 <groldan> 4) 1.4.x
jun 13 22:45:58 <groldan> jgarnett, is that yours
jun 13 22:46:08 <groldan> or clint's
jun 13 22:46:20 <jgarnett> Most of them come from talking to Andrea, so I
would like to have an IRC breakout with Justin and Andrea "sometime" like
tomorrow.
jun 13 22:46:43 <jgarnett> So I better just choose a time, anounce and see if
they can make it?
jun 13 22:46:54 <groldan> lets ask them for tomorrow at the usual late meeting
time
jun 13 22:47:02 <groldan> wait, a bit earlier
jun 13 22:47:06 <jgarnett> I cannot, got a dance class.
jun 13 22:47:07 <groldan> would be better I guess
jun 13 22:47:20 <groldan> I picking them on working time rather than dinner
time
jun 13 22:47:48 <jgarnett> Jesse you are often around at 4 or 5 would that
work out tomorrow?
jun 13 22:48:05 <Jesse_Eichar77> tomorrow is bad.
jun 13 22:48:12 <Jesse_Eichar77> or which 4?
jun 13 22:48:16 <Jesse_Eichar77> yours or mine?
jun 13 22:48:21 <jgarnett> okay how about the day after 
jun 13 22:48:23 <jgarnett> my 4
jun 13 22:48:27 <jgarnett> your like 7am?
jun 13 22:48:29 <Jesse_Eichar77> ok tomorrow is ok
jun 13 22:48:32 <Jesse_Eichar77> ok ish
jun 13 22:48:45 <Jesse_Eichar77> today is the 8th year anniversay so I don't
know how I'll be tomorrow at 7
jun 13 22:48:45 <jgarnett> well what would remove the "ish"
jun 13 22:48:55 <jgarnett> heh
jun 13 22:49:01 <jgarnett> congrats
jun 13 22:49:04 <Jesse_Eichar77> thursday might be better.
jun 13 22:49:09 <clint_> aniversay..
jun 13 22:49:18 <clint_> marriage?
jun 13 22:49:18 <jgarnett> thurs it is
jun 13 22:49:24 <Jesse_Eichar77> almost
jun 13 22:49:26 <Jesse_Eichar77> 
jun 13 22:49:32 <Jesse_Eichar77> never got around to that.
jun 13 22:49:43 <jgarnett> sly
jun 13 22:49:53 <clint_> so what is the aniversary?
jun 13 22:50:02 <Jesse_Eichar77> 8 years together
jun 13 22:50:05 <clint_> thurs got squash
jun 13 22:50:12 <clint_> oh ok
jun 13 22:50:15 <Jesse_Eichar77> I can be up at 5 thought
jun 13 22:50:18 <Jesse_Eichar77> tomorrow
jun 13 22:50:26 <groldan> still up...
jun 13 22:50:38 <groldan>
jun 13 22:50:39 <Jesse_Eichar77> somea won't let me sleep in any longer
anyhow.
jun 13 22:51:33 <jgarnett> okay sent the email - I got stop sending email -
darn coup is hard to pull off.
jun 13 22:51:57 <jgarnett> so gabriel can we go home now? it is 1hr
exactly
jun 13 22:52:07 <groldan> go go go!
jun 13 22:52:22 <Jesse_Eichar77> ok
jun 13 22:52:23 <groldan> and thanks for the help in running the meeting, I'm
a newbe
jun 13 22:52:35 <Jesse_Eichar77> adios gabriel
jun 13 22:52:39 <jgarnett> hey who wants to post the logs? (last job of
running the meeting)
jun 13 22:52:40 <clint_> seeya
jun 13 22:52:42 <clint_> gabby
jun 13 22:52:47 <clint_> opps..
jun 13 22:52:47 <groldan> I'll do
jun 13 22:52:48 <clint_> sorry
jun 13 22:52:49 <jgarnett> gabby indeed.
jun 13 22:52:57 <jgarnett> thanks gabriel.
jun 13 22:53:07 <groldan> thanks you guys, gabi is ok.
jun 13 22:53:29 <groldan> (gaby is mostly used for females
jun 13 22:54:45 <jgarnett> don't tell me that
jun 13 22:54:50 <jgarnett> Jody is the guy spelling
jun 13 22:54:59 <jgarnett> Jodi for femails (or Jodie)
jun 13 22:55:06 <groldan> ha ha
jun 13 22:56:05 <jgarnett> later!
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