[GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Nikos_Alexandris · January 30, 2015, 1:24pm

On 30.01.2015 14:24, Yann Chemin wrote:

still +1 for http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_splash5.jpg

me too, +1 (for lower case letters as well). This splash is "so very" well crafted.

Nikos

Vincent_Bain · January 30, 2015, 2:13pm

Le vendredi 30 janvier 2015 à 13:41 +0100, Moritz Lennert a écrit :

On 30/01/15 13:15, Vincent Bain wrote:
> Trying to satisfy everyone's claims, I propose another splash screen :
> - capitalized GRASS GIS (boohhh ;-)) ;
> - centered layout with title underneath logo.
>
> It is available on the wiki page, it comes with a welcome banner too.
>
> /Beware that we might progressively turn the result into something quite
> flavourless.../

Even though GRASS is an acronym and so should normally be capitalized, I
don't have an opinion about that.

The point is it differs much from one country to another. I am not
certain but I believe anglo-saxons progressively come to the _french
usage_, i.e. capitalizing only the initial of an acronym when it is
pronounced as a word (the case for GRASS GIS). Extract from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization

        While acronyms have historically been written in all-caps,
        British usage is moving towards capitalizing only the first
        letter in cases when these are pronounced as words (e.g., Unesco
        and Nato), reserving all-caps for initialisms (e.g., UK and
        USA).

I fear it is an endless discussion anyway. Objectivity is hard to reach
in that domain of graphic design.

However, I do prefer splash4 (with modified fonts) over splash7. Did
anyone plead for centralization ?
The idea was just to put logo and title closer together.

No Moritz, I was only trying to put text and graphics close to each
other. But you are right, we can copy version 4 layout.

martinl · January 30, 2015, 3:53pm

Hi,

2015-01-30 15:13 GMT+01:00 Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>:

I fear it is an endless discussion anyway. Objectivity is hard to reach
in that domain of graphic design.

this is what we need to avoid. RC2 is waiting for a new splash and
welcome banner. I can see three candidates [1]. Please free add new
candidates, it would be nice to launch voting during weekend and than
to move on to RC2 on the beginning of the next week, what do you
think?

Martin

[1] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:Identity

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Yann4 · January 30, 2015, 4:36pm

is there a way to make a public poll online with the different versions and send the link on GRASS-dev and GRASS-user MLs, then give a sunday midnight close of poll?

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On 30 January 2015 at 21:23, Martin Landa <landa.martin@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

2015-01-30 15:13 GMT+01:00 Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>:

I fear it is an endless discussion anyway. Objectivity is hard to reach
in that domain of graphic design.

this is what we need to avoid. RC2 is waiting for a new splash and
welcome banner. I can see three candidates [1]. Please free add new
candidates, it would be nice to launch voting during weekend and than
to move on to RC2 on the beginning of the next week, what do you
think?

Martin

[1] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:Identity

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martinl · January 30, 2015, 4:38pm

2015-01-30 17:36 GMT+01:00 Yann Chemin <ychemin@gmail.com>:

is there a way to make a public poll online with the different versions and
send the link on GRASS-dev and GRASS-user MLs, then give a sunday midnight
close of poll?

wiki page for voting would be enough, I would say. Martin

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martinl · January 30, 2015, 4:41pm

2015-01-30 17:38 GMT+01:00 Martin Landa <landa.martin@gmail.com>:

2015-01-30 17:36 GMT+01:00 Yann Chemin <ychemin@gmail.com>:

is there a way to make a public poll online with the different versions and
send the link on GRASS-dev and GRASS-user MLs, then give a sunday midnight
close of poll?

wiki page for voting would be enough, I would say. Martin

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:Identity#Voting

(not open yet)

Martin

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Vincent_Bain · January 30, 2015, 4:41pm

OK Martin, your sum up is appreciable.

The first one cannot be used, in cause the license attached to the font,
I am guilty not to have cleaned the wiki page in time. I'll propose a
similar typeface to replace it.

I try to make a last suggestion tonight.

Vincent.

Le vendredi 30 janvier 2015 à 16:53 +0100, Martin Landa a écrit :

Hi,

2015-01-30 15:13 GMT+01:00 Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>:
> I fear it is an endless discussion anyway. Objectivity is hard to reach
> in that domain of graphic design.

this is what we need to avoid. RC2 is waiting for a new splash and
welcome banner. I can see three candidates [1]. Please free add new
candidates, it would be nice to launch voting during weekend and than
to move on to RC2 on the beginning of the next week, what do you
think?

Martin

[1] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:Identity

martinl · January 30, 2015, 4:43pm

Hi Vincent,

2015-01-30 17:41 GMT+01:00 Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>:

[...]

I try to make a last suggestion tonight.

thanks for your hard work!!! Martin

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Nikos_Alexandris · January 30, 2015, 4:48pm

Vincent, is this beautiful 3D-scene available for others to experiment with?

Nikos

Vincent_Bain · January 30, 2015, 5:07pm

Naturally, it is a blender scene rendered with Cycles engine.

It is a bit tricky to use if you don't know Blender; for those familiar
with Blender it involves a particle system where density is controled by
vertex groups. Everything else is very basic if you are at ease with
node editor (for materials).

Here is the file :
http://lesfavrets.fr/telec/grass_world.blend

Le vendredi 30 janvier 2015 à 18:48 +0200, Nikos Alexandris a écrit :

Vincent, is this beautiful 3D-scene available for others to experiment
with?

Nikos

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neteler · February 3, 2015, 10:48pm

Hi,

I have taken liberty to upload #4 [1] in r64447 in order to get something
changed for RC2 which is overdue (the image part of the screen should
probably be filled with a white background).

Markus

[1] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_welcome_banner4.jpg
It looks now a bit different due to the wording changes, though.

martinl · February 4, 2015, 8:29am

Hi,

2015-02-03 23:48 GMT+01:00 Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org>:

I have taken liberty to upload #4 [1] in r64447 in order to get something
changed for RC2 which is overdue (the image part of the screen should
probably be filled with a white background).

I took liberty to update also splash accordingly [1] in r64455.

Martin

[1] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_splash5.jpg

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annakrat · February 4, 2015, 2:40pm

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

Hi,

I have taken liberty to upload #4 [1] in r64447 in order to get something
changed for RC2 which is overdue (the image part of the screen should
probably be filled with a white background).

Why this one? I thought most agreed on upper case? I don't know where you
got the banner (I couldn't find the original image on the wiki), but the
background white is not white (254,255,252) which was probably not
intention. I found that out when I was trying to see how it would look like
with transparent background, which in my opinion looks better on the
welcome screen.

Anna

Markus

[1] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_welcome_banner4.jpg
It looks now a bit different due to the wording changes, though.
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Vincent_Bain · February 4, 2015, 2:59pm

Hello Anna,

sorry for this mistake, can't really figure out where the error comes
from, probably when I turned the native svg to indexed colors png, but
the background should have kept pure white. I'll fix it as soon as
possible.
Of course removing the white bg and set it to transparent is straight
too.

Vincent.

Le mercredi 04 février 2015 à 09:40 -0500, Anna Petrášová a écrit :

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org>
wrote:
        Hi,

        I have taken liberty to upload #4 [1] in r64447 in order to
        get something
        changed for RC2 which is overdue (the image part of the screen
        should
        probably be filled with a white background).

Why this one? I thought most agreed on upper case? I don't know where
you got the banner (I couldn't find the original image on the wiki),
but the background white is not white (254,255,252) which was probably
not intention. I found that out when I was trying to see how it would
look like with transparent background, which in my opinion looks
better on the welcome screen.

Anna

        Markus

        [1]
        http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_welcome_banner4.jpg
        It looks now a bit different due to the wording changes,
        though.
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mlennert · February 4, 2015, 3:10pm

On 04/02/15 09:29, Martin Landa wrote:

Hi,

2015-02-03 23:48 GMT+01:00 Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org>:

I have taken liberty to upload #4 [1] in r64447 in order to get something
changed for RC2 which is overdue (the image part of the screen should
probably be filled with a white background).

I took liberty to update also splash accordingly [1] in r64455.

Thanks ! However, I now see a white rectangle for a while, then the image fills it briefly before it closes. Maybe the image is too heavy to be displayed quickly ?

Moritz

martinl · February 4, 2015, 3:32pm

Hi,

2015-02-04 16:10 GMT+01:00 Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be>:

Thanks ! However, I now see a white rectangle for a while, then the image

I cannot reproduce that, I don't know.

fills it briefly before it closes. Maybe the image is too heavy to be
displayed quickly ?

Right, even with `optipng -o5 file.png` [1], the splash screen has
408K. I agree that it would be good to decrease size of the file.

Martin

[1] http://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/Submitting/Docs

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mlennert · February 4, 2015, 3:48pm

On 04/02/15 16:32, Martin Landa wrote:

Hi,

2015-02-04 16:10 GMT+01:00 Moritz Lennert <mlennert@club.worldonline.be>:

Thanks ! However, I now see a white rectangle for a while, then the image

I cannot reproduce that, I don't know.

Here's little movie to give you an idea:

http://tomahawk.ulb.ac.be/moritz/GRASS_slow_splash.ogv

fills it briefly before it closes. Maybe the image is too heavy to be
displayed quickly ?

Right, even with `optipng -o5 file.png` [1], the splash screen has
408K. I agree that it would be good to decrease size of the file.

I tried making it smaller with

convert splash_screen_orig.png -resize 30% splash_screen.png

This just makes the rectangle smaller, but I still see it without the image for a while.

I just noticed that I see the same with GRASS6. I guess something in a recent update of my Debian machine might be causing this ?

Moritz

My system info:

Version de GRASS: 7.1.svn

GRASS SVN revision: 64455

Build date: 2015-01-04

Build platform: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu

GDAL: 1.10.1

PROJ.4: 4.8.0

GEOS: 3.4.2

SQLite: 3.8.7.1

Python: 2.7.8

wxPython: 3.0.1.1

Plateforme: Linux-3.16.0-4-amd64-x86_64-with-debian-8.0

wenzeslaus · February 4, 2015, 5:04pm

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Moritz Lennert <
mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:

This just makes the rectangle smaller, but I still see it without the
image for a while.

I don't see the rectangle on Ubuntu but the splash screen is there just for
a very short time comparing to how long nothing is visible. When starting
GRASS for the first time after restart of computer I wait something like 7
seconds for the splash screen and splash screen is there just for 3
seconds. I guess this is not something we can change because when started
for second time, the splash screen shows immediately, so the 7 seconds are
for loading the wx libraries. I saw the same ratio of nothing and splash
screen time on some MS Windows machines too.

mlennert · February 5, 2015, 7:31am

On 04/02/15 18:04, Vaclav Petras wrote:

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Moritz Lennert
<mlennert@club.worldonline.be <mailto:mlennert@club.worldonline.be>> wrote:

This just makes the rectangle smaller, but I still see it without
the image for a while.

I don't see the rectangle on Ubuntu but the splash screen is there just
for a very short time comparing to how long nothing is visible. When
starting GRASS for the first time after restart of computer I wait
something like 7 seconds for the splash screen and splash screen is
there just for 3 seconds. I guess this is not something we can change
because when started for second time, the splash screen shows
immediately, so the 7 seconds are for loading the wx libraries. I saw
the same ratio of nothing and splash screen time on some MS Windows
machines too.

Would it be possible to launch some hidden process earlier (i.e. while the user looks at the startup screen) that already loads the libraries ?

Moritz

martinl · February 5, 2015, 2:54pm

Hi all,

2015-02-04 9:29 GMT+01:00 Martin Landa <landa.martin@gmail.com>:

2015-02-03 23:48 GMT+01:00 Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org>:

I have taken liberty to upload #4 [1] in r64447 in order to get something
changed for RC2 which is overdue (the image part of the screen should
probably be filled with a white background).

I took liberty to update also splash accordingly [1] in r64455.

Martin

[1] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_splash5.jpg

regarding to RC2. I would suggest to backport the new splash and
startup banner to relbr70 and go ahead with RC2. What do you think?

Martin

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