[GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

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The blade of grass with blurred mountain background is pretty and classy. But I still think that the one with grass growing into the world map conveys the best message, as well as being classy too.

Michael

C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)

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On Jan 25, 2015, at 7:42 AM, grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org wrote:

From: Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>

Cc: Yann Chemin <yann.chemin@gmail.com>, GRASS developers list <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>

To: Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org>

Date: January 25, 2015 at 7:42:07 AM MST

Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Thank you all for reactions.
I fear I sort of ran out of spare time to keep making proposals right now.

Le dimanche 25 janvier 2015 à 08:05 +0100, Markus Neteler a écrit :

please let’s put all the suggestions into a wiki page. And also invite
grass-user to send suggestions.

if it can wait till next thursday, I can do that.

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Yann Chemin
<ychemin@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you get a libre picture with grass? There are some online
but not good enough. Is some longer grass growing at this time
where you are? Can you take a photo?

Nope, up here the ground is snow capped all over.
I have some personal photos but not actually adapted (for the record see
attached file – very personal try)

V.

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OK maybe we can open a poll somewhere with all these pictures so far, and ask people to give a vote by sending the link to grass-* ML.

I find the small grass in fore front of the mountain a very sweet picture. Nice pic Vincent.

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On 25 January 2015 at 22:21, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

The blade of grass with blurred mountain background is pretty and classy. But I still think that the one with grass growing into the world map conveys the best message, as well as being classy too.

Michael

C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)

www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu

On Jan 25, 2015, at 7:42 AM, grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org wrote:

From: Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>

Cc: Yann Chemin <yann.chemin@gmail.com>, GRASS developers list <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>

To: Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org>

Date: January 25, 2015 at 7:42:07 AM MST

Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Thank you all for reactions.
I fear I sort of ran out of spare time to keep making proposals right now.

Le dimanche 25 janvier 2015 à 08:05 +0100, Markus Neteler a écrit :

please let’s put all the suggestions into a wiki page. And also invite
grass-user to send suggestions.

if it can wait till next thursday, I can do that.

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Yann Chemin
<ychemin@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you get a libre picture with grass? There are some online
but not good enough. Is some longer grass growing at this time
where you are? Can you take a photo?

Nope, up here the ground is snow capped all over.
I have some personal photos but not actually adapted (for the record see
attached file – very personal try)

V.

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Sure. A poll is fine. I like the grass + mountain picture too. But the splash screen image also needs to convey information about the GRASS “brand” IMHO. This is why I like the grass/map better. I can see it being used in a variety of contexts beyond the splash screen.

Cheers
Michael

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On 25 January 2015 at 22:21, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

The blade of grass with blurred mountain background is pretty and classy. But I still think that the one with grass growing into the world map conveys the best message, as well as being classy too.

Michael

C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)

www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu

On Jan 25, 2015, at 7:42 AM, grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org wrote:

From: Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>

Cc: Yann Chemin <yann.chemin@gmail.com>, GRASS developers list <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>

To: Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org>

Date: January 25, 2015 at 7:42:07 AM MST

Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?

Thank you all for reactions.
I fear I sort of ran out of spare time to keep making proposals right now.

Le dimanche 25 janvier 2015 à 08:05 +0100, Markus Neteler a écrit :

please let’s put all the suggestions into a wiki page. And also invite
grass-user to send suggestions.

if it can wait till next thursday, I can do that.

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Yann Chemin
<ychemin@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you get a libre picture with grass? There are some online
but not good enough. Is some longer grass growing at this time
where you are? Can you take a photo?

Nope, up here the ground is snow capped all over.
I have some personal photos but not actually adapted (for the record see
attached file – very personal try)

V.

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Hi,
Out of the office till wednesday, I'll try to work on a wiki page when
I'm back. I like the idea of a poll.

V.

Le dimanche 25 janvier 2015 à 17:27 +0000, Michael Barton a écrit :

Sure. A poll is fine. I like the grass + mountain picture too. But the
splash screen image also needs to convey information about the GRASS
“brand” IMHO. This is why I like the grass/map better. I can see it
being used in a variety of contexts beyond the splash screen.

Cheers
Michael
____________________
C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)
www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu

> On Jan 25, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Yann Chemin <ychemin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK maybe we can open a poll somewhere with all these pictures so
> far, and ask people to give a vote by sending the link to grass-*
> ML.
>
>
> I find the small grass in fore front of the mountain a very sweet
> picture. Nice pic Vincent.
>
>
> On 25 January 2015 at 22:21, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu>
> wrote:
> The blade of grass with blurred mountain background is
> pretty and classy. But I still think that the one with grass
> growing into the world map conveys the best message, as well
> as being classy too.
>
>
> Michael
> ____________________
> C. Michael Barton
> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
> Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution &
> Social Change
> Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
> Arizona State University
>
>
> voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
> fax: 480-965-7671 (SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)
> www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton,
> http://csdc.asu.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 25, 2015, at 7:42 AM,
> > grass-dev-request@lists.osgeo.org wrote:
> >
> > From: Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>
> >
> > Cc: Yann Chemin <yann.chemin@gmail.com>, GRASS developers
> > list <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org>
> >
> > To: Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org>
> >
> > Date: January 25, 2015 at 7:42:07 AM MST
> >
> > Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS
> > 7?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you all for reactions.
> > I fear I sort of ran out of spare time to keep making
> > proposals right now.
> >
> >
> > Le dimanche 25 janvier 2015 à 08:05 +0100, Markus Neteler
> > a écrit :
> > > please let's put all the suggestions into a wiki page.
> > > And also invite
> > > grass-user to send suggestions.
> >
> > if it can wait till next thursday, I can do that.
> >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Yann Chemin
> > > <ychemin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Can you get a libre picture with grass? There are
> > > some online
> > > but not good enough. Is some longer grass growing
> > > at this time
> > > where you are? Can you take a photo?
> >
> > Nope, up here the ground is snow capped all over.
> > I have some personal photos but not actually adapted (for
> > the record see
> > attached file -- very personal try)
> >
> > V.
>
>
>
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Hi,
I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week on a wiki page. I
tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we can further set up
things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

Vincent.

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On 28.01.2015 16:36, Vincent Bain wrote:

Hi,
I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week on a wiki page. I
tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we can further set up
things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

The ones @ <http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:NikosA#Ideas_for_an_alternative_GRASS-Wiki_logogram&gt; are for the Wiki... !? If anyone is interested.

Nikos

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Hi Vincent,

2015-01-28 15:36 GMT+01:00 Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>:

I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week on a wiki page. I
tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we can further set up
things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

thanks a lot! The splash screens with grass continents are absolutely
great!!! I like most [1]. For the startup screen I would choose [2].

Martin

[1] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_splash4.jpg
[2] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_welcome_banner1.jpg

--
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Hi Martin, thank you...

I just updated the wiki page to suggest a font substitution : Fira Sans
is a very clean sans serif typeface, under the SIL Open Font License. I
find an intersting contrast with garamond serif.

Bye,
V.

Le mercredi 28 janvier 2015 à 22:16 +0100, Martin Landa a écrit :

Hi Vincent,

2015-01-28 15:36 GMT+01:00 Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr>:
> I packed most of the graphical tests I did last week on a wiki page. I
> tried to initiate a place (very rough yet) where we can further set up
> things concerning graphical identity. Hope this helps.
>
> http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Identity

thanks a lot! The splash screens with grass continents are absolutely
great!!! I like most [1]. For the startup screen I would choose [2].

Martin

[1] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_splash4.jpg
[2] http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_welcome_banner1.jpg

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Le mercredi 28 janvier 2015 à 17:42 +0200, Nikos Alexandris a écrit :

The ones @
<http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:NikosA#Ideas_for_an_alternative_GRASS-Wiki_logogram&gt;
are for the Wiki... !? If anyone is interested.

Sorry Nikos, I missed your suggestion.
Perhaps it's an opportunity to bet on a similar output, again for
consistency (see attached file).

Yours,
Vincent

(attachments)

grass_wiki.png

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On 29.01.2015 15:58, Vincent Bain wrote:

Le mercredi 28 janvier 2015 à 17:42 +0200, Nikos Alexandris a écrit :

The ones @

<http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:NikosA#Ideas_for_an_alternative_GRASS-Wiki_logogram&gt;
are for the Wiki... !? If anyone is interested.

Sorry Nikos, I missed your suggestion.
Perhaps it's an opportunity to bet on a similar output, again for
consistency (see attached file).

Yes, absolutely a winner! Awesome font :slight_smile:

Nikos

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I’m not a fan of “all lower case sans serif” logos and graphics. I may even like it visually but it is current trend which everybody is putting everywhere and it started to be boring.

For GRASS GIS, I would imagine something more classic like the previous proposals. However, this is more a warning.

For splash6, I would suggest to remove website link, version and revision. It is just a clutter. Version and revision could be hard to get and link wouldn’t be clickable anyway. Otherwise, I think that splash6 is better than splash5.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_splash5.jpg
http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_splash6.jpg

···

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Nikos Alexandris <nik@nikosalexandris.net> wrote:

On 29.01.2015 15:58, Vincent Bain wrote:

Le mercredi 28 janvier 2015 à 17:42 +0200, Nikos Alexandris a écrit :

The ones @

<http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:NikosA#Ideas_for_an_alternative_GRASS-Wiki_logogram>
are for the Wiki… !? If anyone is interested.

Sorry Nikos, I missed your suggestion.
Perhaps it’s an opportunity to bet on a similar output, again for
consistency (see attached file).

Yes, absolutely a winner! Awesome font :slight_smile:

Nikos

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2015-01-29 15:25 GMT+01:00 Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus@gmail.com>:

I'm not a fan of "all lower case sans serif" logos and graphics. I may even
like it visually but it is current trend which everybody is putting
everywhere and it started to be boring.

same here, would be possible to design upper-case versions of splash
screen and startup banner?

Thanks! Martin

--
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http://gismentors.eu/mentors/landa

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Hi,

2015-01-29 16:09 GMT+01:00 Martin Landa <landa.martin@gmail.com>:

2015-01-29 15:25 GMT+01:00 Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus@gmail.com>:

I'm not a fan of "all lower case sans serif" logos and graphics. I may even
like it visually but it is current trend which everybody is putting
everywhere and it started to be boring.

same here, would be possible to design upper-case versions of splash
screen and startup banner?

or we can vote for the current proposals:

1) upper-case

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_splash4.jpg
+
http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_welcome_banner1.jpg

2) lower-case

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_splash5.jpg
+
http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_welcome_banner4.jpg

From design POV I like 2), but what I don't like are lower-case

letters. Would be nice to have third proposal based on 2) but with
upper-case letters. Then I would be happy to start voting.

Martin

--
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Le jeudi 29 janvier 2015 à 09:25 -0500, Vaclav Petras a écrit :

I'm not a fan of "all lower case sans serif" logos and graphics. I may
even like it visually but it is current trend which everybody is
putting everywhere and it started to be boring.

Vaclav, I always try to keep cautiously away from fashions, especially
in graphic design where people do nearly anything and everything...
The use of sans serif typefaces for titles is not exactly something in
the air. Usually typographs have heavy recurse to sans font families in
order to compose titles. Serif families are more suited to what we call
in french "fontes de labeur", i.e. fontfaces that work well in small
characters, are particularly easy to read. On the other hand their
display at large sizes often results in poor quality shapes.
One can argue the fact that I put text lowercase. As I said sooner it is
a matter usage: our world is surrounded with initials, nearly always
uppercased without caring if it's the right way or not; in french we
distinguish between acronyms and initials, e.g. Unesco must be written
as is, but we must write RATP, and not Ratp nor R.A.T.P...
In a word, I rarely do things just for fun in this field of typography.

I concede we could write "Grass" rather than "grass", but the thing here
was the "G" glyph in the typeface is not a success.

I must admit: to be thourough, I should have proposed a hand-made typo
just for the title "Grass gis", but it's much time consuming.

For GRASS GIS, I would imagine something more classic like the
previous proposals. However, this is more a warning.

For splash6, I would suggest to remove website link, version and
revision. It is just a clutter. Version and revision could be hard to
get and link wouldn't be clickable anyway.

I agree, this was just a suggestion (sometimes splash screens are
persistent, you can e.g. pick recently used files, click urls, and so
on).

Otherwise, I think that splash6 is better than splash5.

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_splash5.jpg
http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_splash6.jpg

Surely, it looks more straightforward. Do you think we should try, as
Moritz remarked, to fix the low-cut grass appearance.

Thanks again for discussing, I like it much.

Vincent.

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+1 :smiley:

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On 29 January 2015 at 19:28, Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr> wrote:

Le mercredi 28 janvier 2015 à 17:42 +0200, Nikos Alexandris a écrit :

The ones @
<http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:NikosA#Ideas_for_an_alternative_GRASS-Wiki_logogram>
are for the Wiki… !? If anyone is interested.

Sorry Nikos, I missed your suggestion.
Perhaps it’s an opportunity to bet on a similar output, again for
consistency (see attached file).

Yours,
Vincent

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On 29 January 2015 at 16:13, Martin Landa <landa.martin@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Hi,

or we can vote for the current proposals:

1) upper-case

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_splash4.jpg
+
http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_welcome_banner1.jpg

2) lower-case

http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_splash5.jpg
+
http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/w/images/GRASSGIS_welcome_banner4.jpg

From design POV I like 2), but what I don't like are lower-case
letters. Would be nice to have third proposal based on 2) but with
upper-case letters. Then I would be happy to start voting.

+1, I also like 2), but what I don't like GRASS name in lower-case letters

Martin

--
ciao
Luca

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On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr> wrote:

Le mercredi 28 janvier 2015 à 17:42 +0200, Nikos Alexandris a écrit :

The ones @
<http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:NikosA#Ideas_for_an_alternative_GRASS-Wiki_logogram&gt;
are for the Wiki... !? If anyone is interested.

Sorry Nikos, I missed your suggestion.
Perhaps it's an opportunity to bet on a similar output, again for
consistency (see attached file).

While this is nicely evolving, please let's keep "GIS/gis" in the name.

thanks
Markus

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Trying to satisfy everyone's claims, I propose another splash screen :
- capitalized GRASS GIS (boohhh ;-)) ;
- centered layout with title underneath logo.

It is available on the wiki page, it comes with a welcome banner too.

/Beware that we might progressively turn the result into something quite
flavourless.../

Vincent
(going back to snow blowing)

Le vendredi 30 janvier 2015 à 12:35 +0100, Markus Neteler a écrit :

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr> wrote:
> Le mercredi 28 janvier 2015 à 17:42 +0200, Nikos Alexandris a écrit :
>> The ones @
>> <http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:NikosA#Ideas_for_an_alternative_GRASS-Wiki_logogram&gt;
>> are for the Wiki... !? If anyone is interested.
>
> Sorry Nikos, I missed your suggestion.
> Perhaps it's an opportunity to bet on a similar output, again for
> consistency (see attached file).

While this is nicely evolving, please let's keep "GIS/gis" in the name.

thanks
Markus

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still +1 for http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:GRASSGIS_splash5.jpg

···

On 30 January 2015 at 17:45, Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr> wrote:

Trying to satisfy everyone’s claims, I propose another splash screen :

  • capitalized GRASS GIS (boohhh ;-)) ;
  • centered layout with title underneath logo.

It is available on the wiki page, it comes with a welcome banner too.

/Beware that we might progressively turn the result into something quite
flavourless…/

Vincent
(going back to snow blowing)

Le vendredi 30 janvier 2015 à 12:35 +0100, Markus Neteler a écrit :

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Vincent Bain <bain@toraval.fr> wrote:

Le mercredi 28 janvier 2015 à 17:42 +0200, Nikos Alexandris a écrit :

The ones @
<http://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:NikosA#Ideas_for_an_alternative_GRASS-Wiki_logogram>
are for the Wiki… !? If anyone is interested.

Sorry Nikos, I missed your suggestion.
Perhaps it’s an opportunity to bet on a similar output, again for
consistency (see attached file).

While this is nicely evolving, please let’s keep “GIS/gis” in the name.

thanks
Markus

grass-dev mailing list
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http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev

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On 30/01/15 13:15, Vincent Bain wrote:

Trying to satisfy everyone's claims, I propose another splash screen :
- capitalized GRASS GIS (boohhh ;-)) ;
- centered layout with title underneath logo.

It is available on the wiki page, it comes with a welcome banner too.

/Beware that we might progressively turn the result into something quite
flavourless.../

Even though GRASS is an acronym and so should normally be capitalized, I don't have an opinion about that.

However, I do prefer splash4 (with modified fonts) over splash7. Did anyone plead for centralization ?

The idea was just to put logo and title closer together.

Moritz