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On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Moritz Lennert
<mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:On 21/01/15 19:35, Markus Neteler wrote:
In my opinion we should not have the location selection dialog at all.
Revolution!We should start GRASS right away in latlong like most GIS in the world.
Then let the user open the dialog to change projection if desired from
inside.This would avoid a lot of questions right away.
Please don't do this !
OK, now being back from phone to a real keyboard, I can write a few more lines.
I am thinking about this issue for seeral years meanwhile (hint: I
started in 1993 to use the software, getting stuck at the text start
screen not having a manual :-).So my full suggestions are
- beautify the actual screen (hence my recent suggestion which is
lively discussed here),
- optionally (!) allow to start GRASS without welcome/loc/mapset
screen but to open it in LatLong as described above. Again, as an
option. We could implement that in trunk and see how it goes. All the
tools to select locations, projections and such are there.I find the fact that GRASS does not provide a default
projection system, but forces the user to think about projection from the
start, one of its strengths, both for work and for teaching.On of it strenghts, yes. But I have been teaching GRASS a lot to GIS
professionals who got trained on different systems. And many asked
"why this screen? why cannot you just start like the other GIS"? And I
tend to agree (again: optionally). The point is that we, on the
contrary to many other GIS, still have all the control mechanisms in
place which avoid that the user mixes projections. So that's all fine.Also in Portland at the FOSS4G conf (where I showcased GRASS GIS 7)
people suggested to let 'em get into the system right away. They
explained to me that a newcomer wants to see the menu to understand
how powerful the system is. But they would get stuck at the welcome
screen... Yes, and they don't want to think before they open the
program but "just try", out of curiosity.
A suggestion for a compromise:
Have a minimal welcome screen that says something like
"Starting GRASS GIS in location X, mapset Y"
nothing else, no list of all the available locations and mapsets
Only two buttons: OK, Change
Make OK the default, Change will bring up the current welcome screen.
The user has then just to hit enter and GRASS is running. This would
reduce the (confusing) amount of information on the current welcome
screen. It would also give more space for a little graphic 
Location and mapset can be taken from GISRC, if that does not exist,
create a new GISDBASE in the user's home, put the demolocation in it
and use this (I think the wingrass installer is already doing that).
Markus M