[GRASS5] Poll to remove XGRASS from source

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Hi again,

if nobody complains, I would like to remove
src/xgrass/

from the CVS main repository and store into a
separate repository.

Bernhard, Jan: is that o.k. with you?

Best wishes

Markus

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On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:54:13PM +0100, Markus Neteler wrote:

if nobody complains, I would like to remove
src/xgrass/

from the CVS main repository and store into a
separate repository.

Bernhard, Jan: is that o.k. with you?

You can do it, but why is a seperate repository needed?
Just remove it from the main branch.
  Bernhard
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Bernhard Reiter wrote:

On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:54:13PM +0100, Markus Neteler wrote:
> if nobody complains, I would like to remove
> src/xgrass/
>
> from the CVS main repository and store into a
> separate repository.
>
> Bernhard, Jan: is that o.k. with you?

You can do it, but why is a seperate repository needed?
Just remove it from the main branch.
        Bernhard

Markus, Bernhard,

it will be sufficent if the xgrass code is stored in a tarball (outside
the CVS!). No separate repsitory needed. The Motif code is Open Source
now, but i doubt that anyone from the Open Source communitiy is willing
to work with xgrass, as Motif programming is horrible complicated
compared to other, newer window programming enviroments.

cu

Andreas

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on sun, may 28, 2000 at 02:17:25pm +0200, andreas lange wrote:

it will be sufficent if the xgrass code is stored in a tarball (outside
the cvs!). no separate repsitory needed.

i agree, but it will stay in the repository anyway. at least in the old
branches (and then in the attic directories as john will certainly explain
us. :wink: )

as a general rule cvs keeps the possibility to retrieve any version of
the files it is keeping.

the motif code is open source now,

mofif if _not_ open source.
read the first two paragraphs of http://lwn.net/2000/0518/
or: http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/faq.html
clearly stating:

| does the open group public license for motif meet the open
| source Guidelines?
|
| ANSWER:
|
| No. The Open Group Public License for Motif grants rights
| only to use the software on or with operating systems that are
| themselves Open Source programs. In restricting the
| applicability of the license to Open Source platforms this does
| not meet term 8 of the Open Software Definition
| (http://www.opensource.org/osd.html).

but i doubt that anyone from the Open Source communitiy is willing
to work with xgrass, as Motif programming is horrible complicated
compared to other, newer window programming enviroments.

I am not sure if motif is more complicated as, let's say MFC >8-)

  Bernhard

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Hi all,

unfortunately ther is still a bug in r.in.tiff...

strace r.in.tiff -v input=tm1994.1.tif out=test
[...]
close(5) = 0
mmap(NULL, 67112960, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0)
= 0x401cd000
munmap(0x401cd000, 67112960) = 0
fstat(1, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 8), ...}) = 0
mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) =
0x40015000
ioctl(1, TCGETS, {B9600 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0
write(1, "Total colors = 37\n", 18Total colors = 37
) = 18
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

I am using the version:
src/raster/r.tiff/
from May, 22, 2000.

Maybe the bug is within the area where comments have been suggested
recently (line 298)?

I would be glad to receive help...

Many thanks in advance

Markus

PS: The import/export capabilities are still a problem in GRASS
    which we should keep in mind.

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Hi Bernhard, hi developers,

thank you very much for your hints, you are of course completly right.

Bernhard Reiter wrote:

on sun, may 28, 2000 at 02:17:25pm +0200, andreas lange wrote:

> it will be sufficent if the xgrass code is stored in a tarball (outside
> the cvs!). no separate repsitory needed.

i agree, but it will stay in the repository anyway. at least in the old
branches (and then in the attic directories as john will certainly explain
us. :wink: )

If i re-think this the tarball is not needed. You always can check-out
the grass5.0beta7 tagged version, which includes the xgrass source. And
the grass4.3 source contains xgrass too.

> the motif code is open source now,

mofif if _not_ open source.

You are right too. I read only a headline on a news-ticker. But it does
not matter anyway, because i believe Motif is almost dead, at least if
new projects are concerned. They released the Motif code with the faint
hope that they can push development of new linux applications, which
will not happen with QT/GTK/lesstif/wxWindows around.

I am not sure if motif is more complicated as, let's say MFC >8-)

cu

Andreas

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Andreas Lange wrote:

Bernhard Reiter wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:54:13PM +0100, Markus Neteler wrote:
> > if nobody complains, I would like to remove
> > src/xgrass/
> >
> > from the CVS main repository and store into a
> > separate repository.
> >
> > Bernhard, Jan: is that o.k. with you?
>
> You can do it, but why is a seperate repository needed?
> Just remove it from the main branch.
> Bernhard

Markus, Bernhard,

it will be sufficent if the xgrass code is stored in a tarball (outside
the CVS!). No separate repsitory needed. The Motif code is Open Source
now, but i doubt that anyone from the Open Source communitiy is willing
to work with xgrass, as Motif programming is horrible complicated
compared to other, newer window programming enviroments.

cu

Andreas

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I am a new suscriber to GRASS that we plan to use. For GUI, we use
wxWindows which work with GTK, Motif, Windows95/98/NT and MAC (with some
delay). This is a high level API using C++. It is interesting to consider

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Hi Robert,
welcome to the GRASS community.

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:19:56PM -0400, Robert Lagacé wrote:

I am a new suscriber to GRASS that we plan to use. For GUI, we use
wxWindows which work with GTK, Motif, Windows95/98/NT and MAC (with some
delay). This is a high level API using C++. It is interesting to consider

True.
We know about wxWindows.
Right now GRASS uses tcl/tk which is also cross-platform and might
even work on more platforms as wxWindows.

If a new GUI should be written, my best candidat would be wxPython.
C++ is too cumbersome as programming language, and should IMO be
avoided. (Please no flame war on this one. Some people like it, I know.
And a good programmer can construct programms in any language.)
  Bernhard

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On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 09:53:19AM +0200, Bernhard Reiter wrote:

on sun, may 28, 2000 at 02:17:25pm +0200, andreas lange wrote:

> it will be sufficent if the xgrass code is stored in a tarball (outside
> the cvs!). no separate repsitory needed.

i agree, but it will stay in the repository anyway. at least in the old
branches (and then in the attic directories as john will certainly explain
us. :wink: )

Dear developers,

the XGRASS is "cvs removed" from the repository.
This saves more than 6MB (source code).

But, if desired, you can still access it using an old tag:
cvs -z3 co -r "release_grass5beta7_20_april_2000" grass/src/xgrass

No changes have been applied to XGRASS since 20_april_2000.

Best wishes

Markus Neteler

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Bernhard Reiter wrote:

Hi Robert,
welcome to the GRASS community.

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:19:56PM -0400, Robert Lagacé wrote:
> I am a new suscriber to GRASS that we plan to use. For GUI, we use
> wxWindows which work with GTK, Motif, Windows95/98/NT and MAC (with some
> delay). This is a high level API using C++. It is interesting to consider

True.
We know about wxWindows.
Right now GRASS uses tcl/tk which is also cross-platform and might
even work on more platforms as wxWindows.

If a new GUI should be written, my best candidat would be wxPython.

I agree since wxPython is base on wxWindows.

C++ is too cumbersome as programming language, and should IMO be
avoided. (Please no flame war on this one. Some people like it, I know.
And a good programmer can construct programms in any language.)
        Bernhard

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The FreeGIS Project (freegis.org)
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On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:52:11PM -0400, Robert Lagacé wrote:

Bernhard Reiter wrote:

> We know about wxWindows.
> Right now GRASS uses tcl/tk which is also cross-platform and might
> even work on more platforms as wxWindows.
>
> If a new GUI should be written, my best candidat would be wxPython.

I agree since wxPython is base on wxWindows.

Of course. My appologies for not mentioning this important fact.
Thanks for clarifing this important point.

wxPython is wxWindows accessed from Python, so no need to do C++.
  http://www.wxpython.org/

> C++ is too cumbersome as programming language, and should IMO be
> avoided. (Please no flame war on this one. Some people like it, I know.
> And a good programmer can construct programms in any language.)

  Bernhard

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Bernhard Reiter wrote:

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:52:11PM -0400, Robert Lagacé wrote:
> Bernhard Reiter wrote:

> > We know about wxWindows.
> > Right now GRASS uses tcl/tk which is also cross-platform and might
> > even work on more platforms as wxWindows.
> >
> > If a new GUI should be written, my best candidat would be wxPython.
>
> I agree since wxPython is base on wxWindows.

Of course. My appologies for not mentioning this important fact.
Thanks for clarifing this important point.

No appologies are necessary. Yours

wxPython is wxWindows accessed from Python, so no need to do C++.
        http://www.wxpython.org/

> > C++ is too cumbersome as programming language, and should IMO be
> > avoided. (Please no flame war on this one. Some people like it, I know.
> > And a good programmer can construct programms in any language.)

        Bernhard

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