[Marketing] Exhibition Pack

Following from our last meeting and earlier discussions, there'd been consensus to focus marketing efforts on getting a few primary pieces of marketing material together. With the intent of having a "pack" of material that could sent to (or downloaded and prepared by) someone wanting to represent OSGeo at an event. Without addressing the issues of who/what/where could get such a package, we've been focusing on what it might contain.

Detailed thoughts were hashed through in our last meeting. I threw some cost estimates up into a table today. Please have a look, suggest revisions, etc.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Exhibition_Pack#Cost_Summary

After we a general idea of potential costs (either per component, or overall), then we can plug them into our 2009 budget. Following that we start talking about preparing the components, deciding how to distribute them, searching for sources, etc.

Tyler

Tyler Mitchell
Executive Director
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
tmitchell@osgeo.org
P: +1-250-277-1621
M: +1-250-303-1831

Thanks Tyler for putting numbers in.
What we need to complete the budget is a quantity column.
How many conference packs do we need to create (I reckon 1 per local group = 20)?
And how many conferences do we support per year. Again, I reckon 2 per local group per year = 40. Plugging these figures into to the budget and we don't leave much budget for anything else.
Attached is a spreadsheet with a quick sketch at what I'm talking about.

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

Following from our last meeting and earlier discussions, there'd been consensus to focus marketing efforts on getting a few primary pieces of marketing material together. With the intent of having a "pack" of material that could sent to (or downloaded and prepared by) someone wanting to represent OSGeo at an event. Without addressing the issues of who/what/where could get such a package, we've been focusing on what it might contain.

Detailed thoughts were hashed through in our last meeting. I threw some cost estimates up into a table today. Please have a look, suggest revisions, etc.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Exhibition_Pack#Cost_Summary

After we a general idea of potential costs (either per component, or overall), then we can plug them into our 2009 budget. Following that we start talking about preparing the components, deciding how to distribute them, searching for sources, etc.

Tyler

Tyler Mitchell
Executive Director
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
tmitchell@osgeo.org
P: +1-250-277-1621
M: +1-250-303-1831

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OSGeoMarketingPack0.1.xls (10.5 KB)

40 is absurdly huge. Why don't you troll back and actually look at the
email list for instances of people saying "we're doing this
conference..." if it's 20, I'll be surprised.

P.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Tyler for putting numbers in.
What we need to complete the budget is a quantity column.
How many conference packs do we need to create (I reckon 1 per local group =
20)?
And how many conferences do we support per year. Again, I reckon 2 per local
group per year = 40. Plugging these figures into to the budget and we don't
leave much budget for anything else.
Attached is a spreadsheet with a quick sketch at what I'm talking about.

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

Following from our last meeting and earlier discussions, there'd been
consensus to focus marketing efforts on getting a few primary pieces of
marketing material together. With the intent of having a "pack" of material
that could sent to (or downloaded and prepared by) someone wanting to
represent OSGeo at an event. Without addressing the issues of
who/what/where could get such a package, we've been focusing on what it
might contain.

Detailed thoughts were hashed through in our last meeting. I threw some
cost estimates up into a table today. Please have a look, suggest
revisions, etc.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Exhibition_Pack#Cost_Summary

After we a general idea of potential costs (either per component, or
overall), then we can plug them into our 2009 budget. Following that we
start talking about preparing the components, deciding how to distribute
them, searching for sources, etc.

Tyler

Tyler Mitchell
Executive Director
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
tmitchell@osgeo.org
P: +1-250-277-1621
M: +1-250-303-1831

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Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

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Paul,
Looking at past events with OSGeo representation we have:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:Past_Events

Skiming through and counting only one year for each past event, I get between 25 and 30 events which have had an OSGeo presence.

Maybe that is a number we should be targeting, however I suspect that if we set up an easy to use conference pack, we will likely get more requests for the pack as people start branching out into smaller or less related events.

Paul Ramsey wrote:

40 is absurdly huge. Why don't you troll back and actually look at the
email list for instances of people saying "we're doing this
conference..." if it's 20, I'll be surprised.

P.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:
  

Thanks Tyler for putting numbers in.
What we need to complete the budget is a quantity column.
How many conference packs do we need to create (I reckon 1 per local group =
20)?
And how many conferences do we support per year. Again, I reckon 2 per local
group per year = 40. Plugging these figures into to the budget and we don't
leave much budget for anything else.
Attached is a spreadsheet with a quick sketch at what I'm talking about.

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
    

Following from our last meeting and earlier discussions, there'd been
consensus to focus marketing efforts on getting a few primary pieces of
marketing material together. With the intent of having a "pack" of material
that could sent to (or downloaded and prepared by) someone wanting to
represent OSGeo at an event. Without addressing the issues of
who/what/where could get such a package, we've been focusing on what it
might contain.

Detailed thoughts were hashed through in our last meeting. I threw some
cost estimates up into a table today. Please have a look, suggest
revisions, etc.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Exhibition_Pack#Cost_Summary

After we a general idea of potential costs (either per component, or
overall), then we can plug them into our 2009 budget. Following that we
start talking about preparing the components, deciding how to distribute
them, searching for sources, etc.

Tyler

Tyler Mitchell
Executive Director
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
tmitchell@osgeo.org
P: +1-250-277-1621
M: +1-250-303-1831

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
      

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Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
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Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

It begs another question too ... is targeting geospatial events really the best way to get to people? Corporately we've pretty much given up on it as it just doens't translate into business. I'm not sure if the same rule would apply to OSGeo since the marketing drivers are different -- but it might be worth trying to do some form of basic cost/benefit analysis of the best way forward.

Dave
www.dmsolutions.ca

On 30-Nov-08, at 10:01 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

40 is absurdly huge. Why don't you troll back and actually look at the
email list for instances of people saying "we're doing this
conference..." if it's 20, I'll be surprised.

P.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Tyler for putting numbers in.
What we need to complete the budget is a quantity column.
How many conference packs do we need to create (I reckon 1 per local group =
20)?
And how many conferences do we support per year. Again, I reckon 2 per local
group per year = 40. Plugging these figures into to the budget and we don't
leave much budget for anything else.
Attached is a spreadsheet with a quick sketch at what I'm talking about.

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

Following from our last meeting and earlier discussions, there'd been
consensus to focus marketing efforts on getting a few primary pieces of
marketing material together. With the intent of having a "pack" of material
that could sent to (or downloaded and prepared by) someone wanting to
represent OSGeo at an event. Without addressing the issues of
who/what/where could get such a package, we've been focusing on what it
might contain.

Detailed thoughts were hashed through in our last meeting. I threw some
cost estimates up into a table today. Please have a look, suggest
revisions, etc.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Exhibition_Pack#Cost_Summary

After we a general idea of potential costs (either per component, or
overall), then we can plug them into our 2009 budget. Following that we
start talking about preparing the components, deciding how to distribute
them, searching for sources, etc.

Tyler

Tyler Mitchell
Executive Director
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
tmitchell@osgeo.org
P: +1-250-277-1621
M: +1-250-303-1831

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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Geospatial Systems Architect
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

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Finds that number of actual instances, and then multiply by N to account for the folks who have never asked for such a thing because they assumed it did not exist (for values of N in the range of 0.33 to 0.66 I think).

-mpg

-----Original Message-----
From: marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:01 AM
To: Cameron Shorter
Cc: OSGeo Marketing
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Exhibition Pack

40 is absurdly huge. Why don't you troll back and actually look at the
email list for instances of people saying "we're doing this
conference..." if it's 20, I'll be surprised.

P.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Tyler for putting numbers in.
What we need to complete the budget is a quantity column.
How many conference packs do we need to create (I reckon 1 per local group =
20)?
And how many conferences do we support per year. Again, I reckon 2 per local
group per year = 40. Plugging these figures into to the budget and we don't
leave much budget for anything else.
Attached is a spreadsheet with a quick sketch at what I'm talking about.

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

Following from our last meeting and earlier discussions, there'd been
consensus to focus marketing efforts on getting a few primary pieces of
marketing material together. With the intent of having a "pack" of material
that could sent to (or downloaded and prepared by) someone wanting to
represent OSGeo at an event. Without addressing the issues of
who/what/where could get such a package, we've been focusing on what it
might contain.

Detailed thoughts were hashed through in our last meeting. I threw some
cost estimates up into a table today. Please have a look, suggest
revisions, etc.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Exhibition_Pack#Cost_Summary

After we a general idea of potential costs (either per component, or
overall), then we can plug them into our 2009 budget. Following that we
start talking about preparing the components, deciding how to distribute
them, searching for sources, etc.

Tyler

Tyler Mitchell
Executive Director
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
tmitchell@osgeo.org
P: +1-250-277-1621
M: +1-250-303-1831

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Systems Architect
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

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http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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Good point. At the risk of flogging dead horses...

If the question in the floor is "what's the best way to reach people with our message?", then we should first ask "what's our message?". I could come up with different responses depending on whether we say "promoting open source as an alternative to proprietary stacks" (a general, broad mssg), "getting people to use GDAL and MapServer" (a specific mssg), etc.

-mpg

-----Original Message-----
From: marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dave McIlhagga
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:01 AM
To: Paul Ramsey
Cc: OSGeo Marketing
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Exhibition Pack

It begs another question too ... is targeting geospatial events really
the best way to get to people? Corporately we've pretty much given up
on it as it just doens't translate into business. I'm not sure if the
same rule would apply to OSGeo since the marketing drivers are
different -- but it might be worth trying to do some form of basic
cost/benefit analysis of the best way forward.

Dave
www.dmsolutions.ca

On 30-Nov-08, at 10:01 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

40 is absurdly huge. Why don't you troll back and actually look at the
email list for instances of people saying "we're doing this
conference..." if it's 20, I'll be surprised.

P.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Tyler for putting numbers in.
What we need to complete the budget is a quantity column.
How many conference packs do we need to create (I reckon 1 per
local group =
20)?
And how many conferences do we support per year. Again, I reckon 2
per local
group per year = 40. Plugging these figures into to the budget and
we don't
leave much budget for anything else.
Attached is a spreadsheet with a quick sketch at what I'm talking
about.

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

Following from our last meeting and earlier discussions, there'd
been
consensus to focus marketing efforts on getting a few primary
pieces of
marketing material together. With the intent of having a "pack"
of material
that could sent to (or downloaded and prepared by) someone wanting
to
represent OSGeo at an event. Without addressing the issues of
who/what/where could get such a package, we've been focusing on
what it
might contain.

Detailed thoughts were hashed through in our last meeting. I
threw some
cost estimates up into a table today. Please have a look, suggest
revisions, etc.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Exhibition_Pack#Cost_Summary

After we a general idea of potential costs (either per component, or
overall), then we can plug them into our 2009 budget. Following
that we
start talking about preparing the components, deciding how to
distribute
them, searching for sources, etc.

Tyler

Tyler Mitchell
Executive Director
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
tmitchell@osgeo.org
P: +1-250-277-1621
M: +1-250-303-1831

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Systems Architect
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

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Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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One other aspect to think of .. who are you primarily trying to reach. I see two primary groups -- and they would probably take two different strategies if you want to get to them both:

1. End Users - hard to get to in the traditional GIS space since from my experience most users of open source geospatial come from the IT domain.
2. Software Developers - especially corporate interests who embed open source geo technologies into their service/product offerings -- this group can sometimes be found at geo events -- but also general IT events.

These two groups are very distinct and require completely different messages -- but are probably both very valuable to attract as they are both instrumental to the ecosystem.

Dave
www.dmsolutions.ca

On 1-Dec-08, at 12:21 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

Good point. At the risk of flogging dead horses...

If the question in the floor is "what's the best way to reach people with our message?", then we should first ask "what's our message?". I could come up with different responses depending on whether we say "promoting open source as an alternative to proprietary stacks" (a general, broad mssg), "getting people to use GDAL and MapServer" (a specific mssg), etc.

-mpg

-----Original Message-----
From: marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dave McIlhagga
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:01 AM
To: Paul Ramsey
Cc: OSGeo Marketing
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Exhibition Pack

It begs another question too ... is targeting geospatial events really
the best way to get to people? Corporately we've pretty much given up
on it as it just doens't translate into business. I'm not sure if the
same rule would apply to OSGeo since the marketing drivers are
different -- but it might be worth trying to do some form of basic
cost/benefit analysis of the best way forward.

Dave
www.dmsolutions.ca

On 30-Nov-08, at 10:01 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

40 is absurdly huge. Why don't you troll back and actually look at the
email list for instances of people saying "we're doing this
conference..." if it's 20, I'll be surprised.

P.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Tyler for putting numbers in.
What we need to complete the budget is a quantity column.
How many conference packs do we need to create (I reckon 1 per
local group =
20)?
And how many conferences do we support per year. Again, I reckon 2
per local
group per year = 40. Plugging these figures into to the budget and
we don't
leave much budget for anything else.
Attached is a spreadsheet with a quick sketch at what I'm talking
about.

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

Following from our last meeting and earlier discussions, there'd
been
consensus to focus marketing efforts on getting a few primary
pieces of
marketing material together. With the intent of having a "pack"
of material
that could sent to (or downloaded and prepared by) someone wanting
to
represent OSGeo at an event. Without addressing the issues of
who/what/where could get such a package, we've been focusing on
what it
might contain.

Detailed thoughts were hashed through in our last meeting. I
threw some
cost estimates up into a table today. Please have a look, suggest
revisions, etc.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Exhibition_Pack#Cost_Summary

After we a general idea of potential costs (either per component, or
overall), then we can plug them into our 2009 budget. Following
that we
start talking about preparing the components, deciding how to
distribute
them, searching for sources, etc.

Tyler

Tyler Mitchell
Executive Director
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
tmitchell@osgeo.org
P: +1-250-277-1621
M: +1-250-303-1831

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Systems Architect
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

Good point. At the risk of flogging dead horses...

If the question in the floor is "what's the best way to reach people with
our message?", then we should first ask "what's our message?". I could come
up with different responses depending on whether we say "promoting open
source as an alternative to proprietary stacks" (a general, broad mssg),
"getting people to use GDAL and MapServer" (a specific mssg), etc.

Michael,

"""
OSGeo Mission Statement

To support the development of open source geospatial software, and promote
its widespread use.
"""

I see our *message* to the software using world as being that there are
open source geospatial options suitable for many workflows and projects,
and that those open source options have some advantages over proprietary
solutions. Obviously we tend to promote OSGeo projects more heavily than
non-OSGeo projects, but in general we should promote any open source
geospatial project that is good enough to serve a purpose and to reflect
well on the overall effort.

So I think we need to make the general points about the readiness and
advantages of open source geospatial software. We also need to provide
specific material in support noteworthy projects - showing how they
fit into our general message, and particular uses.

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent

Well, our marketing efforts for a given event need not reflect the entire mission statement, which is why I asked the question. But let's say we are targeting the "general" message and backing it up w/ some specific product instances: then we next need to ask who the audience is: developers, users, decision makers, ..?

The more specifically we can refine our target, the better we can determine what materials and what audiences are appropriate.

[I'm speaking here from the viewpoint of a "real" marketing department, i.e. one with paid staff to come up with collateral to support such efforts, which admittedly in the past has led me down invalid paths relative to our volunteer-based non-profit...]

-mpg

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Warmerdam [mailto:warmerdam@pobox.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:37 AM
To: Michael P. Gerlek
Cc: OSGeo Marketing
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Exhibition Pack

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

Good point. At the risk of flogging dead horses...

If the question in the floor is "what's the best way to reach people with
our message?", then we should first ask "what's our message?". I could come
up with different responses depending on whether we say "promoting open
source as an alternative to proprietary stacks" (a general, broad mssg),
"getting people to use GDAL and MapServer" (a specific mssg), etc.

Michael,

"""
OSGeo Mission Statement

To support the development of open source geospatial software, and promote
its widespread use.
"""

I see our *message* to the software using world as being that there are
open source geospatial options suitable for many workflows and projects,
and that those open source options have some advantages over proprietary
solutions. Obviously we tend to promote OSGeo projects more heavily than
non-OSGeo projects, but in general we should promote any open source
geospatial project that is good enough to serve a purpose and to reflect
well on the overall effort.

So I think we need to make the general points about the readiness and
advantages of open source geospatial software. We also need to provide
specific material in support noteworthy projects - showing how they
fit into our general message, and particular uses.

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent

Thanks Paul, Dave, Michael, Frank for raising these questions.

Dave, re "Who are we targeting", I think that we want all, but OSGeo should be targeting funding sources, ie decision makers. The rest will follow.

I want to see more Government tenders and similar projects being allocated to companies which use open source components.

To reach the decision makes for large contracts, Open Source needs to be seen as creditable. And I think this will be achieved by showing case studies of successful Open Source & Standards based implementations, and for specific selling of these achievements through avenues used by decision makers for feeling the market.

I'm in agreement with Dave, LISAsoft has seen a minimal immediate ROI from conferences. Presenting at conferences is buying mind-share and is a long sales cycle. OSGeo can do conferences cheaper than others by using our volunteer workforce (who are often at the conference already), and crying poor non-profit status to get a free stand.
I think we do need to target conferences, but as Paul hints, we need to limit the conferences we sponsor to only the high value conferences.

Other channels that OSGeo Marketing should focus on is:
1. Our website. This doesn't doesn't target users or decision makers at the moment. We need to be more commercial in our approach. Jody Garnett has review notes on how to improve this, and this is something that I think is worth spending budget on.

2. Case Studies, and how to present them. (as already noted by a number of blogs lately). No one has mentioned a webinar channel or news feed yet.

3. Training material. And packaging this up with software. (We do have a separate committee for this).

4. LiveDVD. Another channel for getting our software out there which complements the Conferences.

Dave McIlhagga wrote:

One other aspect to think of .. who are you primarily trying to reach. I see two primary groups -- and they would probably take two different strategies if you want to get to them both:

1. End Users - hard to get to in the traditional GIS space since from my experience most users of open source geospatial come from the IT domain.
2. Software Developers - especially corporate interests who embed open source geo technologies into their service/product offerings -- this group can sometimes be found at geo events -- but also general IT events.

These two groups are very distinct and require completely different messages -- but are probably both very valuable to attract as they are both instrumental to the ecosystem.

Dave
www.dmsolutions.ca

On 1-Dec-08, at 12:21 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

Good point. At the risk of flogging dead horses...

If the question in the floor is "what's the best way to reach people with our message?", then we should first ask "what's our message?". I could come up with different responses depending on whether we say "promoting open source as an alternative to proprietary stacks" (a general, broad mssg), "getting people to use GDAL and MapServer" (a specific mssg), etc.

-mpg

-----Original Message-----
From: marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dave McIlhagga
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:01 AM
To: Paul Ramsey
Cc: OSGeo Marketing
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Exhibition Pack

It begs another question too ... is targeting geospatial events really
the best way to get to people? Corporately we've pretty much given up
on it as it just doens't translate into business. I'm not sure if the
same rule would apply to OSGeo since the marketing drivers are
different -- but it might be worth trying to do some form of basic
cost/benefit analysis of the best way forward.

Dave
www.dmsolutions.ca

On 30-Nov-08, at 10:01 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

40 is absurdly huge. Why don't you troll back and actually look at the
email list for instances of people saying "we're doing this
conference..." if it's 20, I'll be surprised.

P.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Tyler for putting numbers in.
What we need to complete the budget is a quantity column.
How many conference packs do we need to create (I reckon 1 per
local group =
20)?
And how many conferences do we support per year. Again, I reckon 2
per local
group per year = 40. Plugging these figures into to the budget and
we don't
leave much budget for anything else.
Attached is a spreadsheet with a quick sketch at what I'm talking
about.

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

Following from our last meeting and earlier discussions, there'd
been
consensus to focus marketing efforts on getting a few primary
pieces of
marketing material together. With the intent of having a "pack"
of material
that could sent to (or downloaded and prepared by) someone wanting
to
represent OSGeo at an event. Without addressing the issues of
who/what/where could get such a package, we've been focusing on
what it
might contain.

Detailed thoughts were hashed through in our last meeting. I
threw some
cost estimates up into a table today. Please have a look, suggest
revisions, etc.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Exhibition_Pack#Cost_Summary

After we a general idea of potential costs (either per component, or
overall), then we can plug them into our 2009 budget. Following
that we
start talking about preparing the components, deciding how to
distribute
them, searching for sources, etc.

Tyler

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Cameron,

I think one group that is critical to OSGeo's success are the CTOs or Technology Managers of software companies -- especially those offering both software services and selling proprietary products.

Geospatial is a horizontal technology that is a commodity component in larger (often proprietary) software solutions.

These are the guys that can drive adoption and sustainability of OSGeo projects through the roof regardless of who else is using the technology. They can do so by offering something all projects can benefit from -- folks doing coding, testing, and documentation. They are also excellent candidates for sponsorship.

I'd suggest a marketing program that doesn't include a plan to attract these folks to adoption of OSGeo technologies within their software would be missing arguably the market that could do more for OSGeo than the others combined.

Dave

On 1-Dec-08, at 3:19 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Thanks Paul, Dave, Michael, Frank for raising these questions.

Dave, re "Who are we targeting", I think that we want all, but OSGeo should be targeting funding sources, ie decision makers. The rest will follow.

I want to see more Government tenders and similar projects being allocated to companies which use open source components.

To reach the decision makes for large contracts, Open Source needs to be seen as creditable. And I think this will be achieved by showing case studies of successful Open Source & Standards based implementations, and for specific selling of these achievements through avenues used by decision makers for feeling the market.

I'm in agreement with Dave, LISAsoft has seen a minimal immediate ROI from conferences. Presenting at conferences is buying mind-share and is a long sales cycle. OSGeo can do conferences cheaper than others by using our volunteer workforce (who are often at the conference already), and crying poor non-profit status to get a free stand.
I think we do need to target conferences, but as Paul hints, we need to limit the conferences we sponsor to only the high value conferences.

Other channels that OSGeo Marketing should focus on is:
1. Our website. This doesn't doesn't target users or decision makers at the moment. We need to be more commercial in our approach. Jody Garnett has review notes on how to improve this, and this is something that I think is worth spending budget on.

2. Case Studies, and how to present them. (as already noted by a number of blogs lately). No one has mentioned a webinar channel or news feed yet.

3. Training material. And packaging this up with software. (We do have a separate committee for this).

4. LiveDVD. Another channel for getting our software out there which complements the Conferences.

Dave McIlhagga wrote:

One other aspect to think of .. who are you primarily trying to reach. I see two primary groups -- and they would probably take two different strategies if you want to get to them both:

1. End Users - hard to get to in the traditional GIS space since from my experience most users of open source geospatial come from the IT domain.
2. Software Developers - especially corporate interests who embed open source geo technologies into their service/product offerings -- this group can sometimes be found at geo events -- but also general IT events.

These two groups are very distinct and require completely different messages -- but are probably both very valuable to attract as they are both instrumental to the ecosystem.

Dave
www.dmsolutions.ca

On 1-Dec-08, at 12:21 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

Good point. At the risk of flogging dead horses...

If the question in the floor is "what's the best way to reach people with our message?", then we should first ask "what's our message?". I could come up with different responses depending on whether we say "promoting open source as an alternative to proprietary stacks" (a general, broad mssg), "getting people to use GDAL and MapServer" (a specific mssg), etc.

-mpg

-----Original Message-----
From: marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dave McIlhagga
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:01 AM
To: Paul Ramsey
Cc: OSGeo Marketing
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Exhibition Pack

It begs another question too ... is targeting geospatial events really
the best way to get to people? Corporately we've pretty much given up
on it as it just doens't translate into business. I'm not sure if the
same rule would apply to OSGeo since the marketing drivers are
different -- but it might be worth trying to do some form of basic
cost/benefit analysis of the best way forward.

Dave
www.dmsolutions.ca

On 30-Nov-08, at 10:01 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

40 is absurdly huge. Why don't you troll back and actually look at the
email list for instances of people saying "we're doing this
conference..." if it's 20, I'll be surprised.

P.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Tyler for putting numbers in.
What we need to complete the budget is a quantity column.
How many conference packs do we need to create (I reckon 1 per
local group =
20)?
And how many conferences do we support per year. Again, I reckon 2
per local
group per year = 40. Plugging these figures into to the budget and
we don't
leave much budget for anything else.
Attached is a spreadsheet with a quick sketch at what I'm talking
about.

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

Following from our last meeting and earlier discussions, there'd
been
consensus to focus marketing efforts on getting a few primary
pieces of
marketing material together. With the intent of having a "pack"
of material
that could sent to (or downloaded and prepared by) someone wanting
to
represent OSGeo at an event. Without addressing the issues of
who/what/where could get such a package, we've been focusing on
what it
might contain.

Detailed thoughts were hashed through in our last meeting. I
threw some
cost estimates up into a table today. Please have a look, suggest
revisions, etc.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Exhibition_Pack#Cost_Summary

After we a general idea of potential costs (either per component, or
overall), then we can plug them into our 2009 budget. Following
that we
start talking about preparing the components, deciding how to
distribute
them, searching for sources, etc.

Tyler

Tyler Mitchell
Executive Director
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
tmitchell@osgeo.org
P: +1-250-277-1621
M: +1-250-303-1831

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Geospatial Systems Architect
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
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I have long thought that give the choice of
- promoting open source to geo people
and
- promoting geo to open source people
the latter was the one with the higher potential payoff, since the
difficult bar of "getting open source" is already surmounted with the
latter group.
P

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dave McIlhagga
<dmcilhagga@dmsolutions.ca> wrote:

Cameron,

I think one group that is critical to OSGeo's success are the CTOs or
Technology Managers of software companies -- especially those offering both
software services and selling proprietary products.

Well put Paul. And a much larger group of people to attract to boot ...

Dave

On 1-Dec-08, at 5:37 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

I have long thought that give the choice of
- promoting open source to geo people
and
- promoting geo to open source people
the latter was the one with the higher potential payoff, since the
difficult bar of "getting open source" is already surmounted with the
latter group.
P

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dave McIlhagga
<dmcilhagga@dmsolutions.ca> wrote:

Cameron,

I think one group that is critical to OSGeo's success are the CTOs or
Technology Managers of software companies -- especially those offering both
software services and selling proprietary products.

Dave,
Yes, I agree that CTOs are a key market.

Paul, Dave,
The successes I've had in the past have been selling OSGeo based solutions to Open Source sympathizers in the Geospatial industry. But these Open Source sympathizers need to be able to justify their selection of technology to their managers and stakeholders. So I've needed to provide these sympathizers with convincing arguments for Open Source which they can then use.

So I'd like to see OSGeo selling GeoFOSS as a creditable solution, but pushing case studies forward, showing strong industry backing, demonstrating robust applications.

Dave McIlhagga wrote:

Well put Paul. And a much larger group of people to attract to boot ...

Dave

On 1-Dec-08, at 5:37 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

I have long thought that give the choice of
- promoting open source to geo people
and
- promoting geo to open source people
the latter was the one with the higher potential payoff, since the
difficult bar of "getting open source" is already surmounted with the
latter group.
P

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dave McIlhagga
<dmcilhagga@dmsolutions.ca> wrote:

Cameron,

I think one group that is critical to OSGeo's success are the CTOs or
Technology Managers of software companies -- especially those offering both
software services and selling proprietary products.

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Systems Architect
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com