[Marketing] Feedback from Marketing Meeting

Hello,

Upon partial review of the marketing committee meeting on IRC last
night, I noticed a couple things that I'd like to comment on.

First, It seems that my email was seen as a negative comment on the
marketing committee. I apologize that it was seen that way.
Specifically, my original email was not sent to the marketing committee
for a reason: I don't see that Marketing has -- up until this point --
had a strong reason to consider the website 'theirs'.

We have a "web committee" who is, as far as I understand it, tasked with
the maintenance of the website as it stands today. This committee is
primarily -- at this time -- involved in the upkeep of the current
website, and not with broad redesign movements. This is understandable.

The idea of significantly changing the website seems like it would be
outside the realm of any existing committee within OSGeo. WebCom is
primarily tasked with maintaining the existing website. Marketing is
working on branding, providing print materials, conference attendance,
etc. This is fine, and perfectly reasonable.

My email to the board was an effort to point out that perhaps some
effort needs to be taken *outside* the purposes typically set up by
these committees -- that the Board should perhaps consider a seperate
task, that of a significant web presence redesign, as important to the
Foundation. This is not a criticism of existing efforts -- the existing
website is a fine piece of work for what it is, adn the marketing
committee's efforts are similarly successful at the tasks that are being
undertaken. Simply put, website redesign has not been proposed as a task
that belongs to either of these committees in the past -- at least, not
that I've seen.

My email was designed to bring attention to this particular aspect of
OSGeo's success at this time.

Another complaint was that I mentioned OpenGeo as doing a good job with
creating a corporate-friendly web presence, "without making a mention of
how much investment has gone into such branding." Allow me to clarify:
If I thought this was a task we could snap our fingers at, then I
wouldn't have bothered to send an email. The task of creating a
successful brand -- successful insofar as it is recognized as completing
the goals that people are interested in -- is one that is very hard, and
website redesign to support that goal is often expensive. Very few
people who are currently participating in OSGeo have the marketing
know how to do even a portion of what I suggested.

The fact that this effort is so significant is exactly why I suggested
that the item be considered *before* the board approves budgets for
2009: specifically, if the board considers my suggestions, and finds
them to have some merit, it may make some sense to address this by
keeping some funds available for the task.

I am sorry that my comments have upset people. I am not attempting to
belittle the efforts that the marketing committee has been putting
forward -- it is clearly doing important work. Nor am I trying to say
that the marketing committee should be specifically taking on tasks like
website redesign. Instead, I'm simply trying to offer some
information/guidance, based on my own personal opinions and the feedback
that I have been receiving of late.

In my opinion, the OSGeo website does not, at this time, clearly achieve
the following goals:

* Provide a clear, concise overview of OSGeo to first time visitors.
* Provide a clear description of each OSGeo project to potential
   users considering using OSGeo software.
* Provide compelling evidence/information about OSGeo projects designed
   for corporate consumption.

It does, on the other hand, achieve the following goals:
* Provide a single stop to get access to a large quantity of
   information about OSGeo.
* Provide an overview of recent news and upcoming events in the OSGeo
   community.
* Provide a starting point for getting access to OSGeo projects,
   especially if you're familiar with them already.

As a resource, these things are clearly important to the existing OSGeo
community. It's just not as clear to me that the OSGeo homepage provides
a useful starting point for someone beginning to look at OSGeo -- either
as a Foundation, or as a home of a project they might be interested in.

Perhaps the answer is "This is not what OSGeo needs." In that case, I
am simply wrong: that's an easy enough answer. I don't know who is best
equipped to answer that question. I think that it comes from a variety
of sources: Marketing, WebCom, other groups within the project, perhaps.

Perhaps the answer is "This is interesting, but less important than
supporting events." I would disagree with this based on what little
knowledge I have, but am willing to accept that it's not worth the
time/energy of OSGeo to investigate improved website presence.

Perhaps the answer is simply "We can't afford it." This is also
obviously a reasonable response.

None of these responses would be out of line from the Marketing
committee, or OSGeo as a whole. However, I thought it would be
worthwhile to bring up the possibility that OSgeo's current community
site is inefficient at turning first time visitors into people who walk
away not knowing what OSGeo is -- in my opinion -- for consideration of
some group of people larger than myself.

I apologize, again, for upsetting people with the tone of my email. I'll
be honest and say that I don't really understand why this would be
upsetting, but hopefully this better explains why I think that none of
what I said should be seen as a criticism/failure of any existing group
within OSGeo.

Best Regards,
--
Christopher Schmidt
MetaCarta

No apologies needed, imho -- such comments, when well thought out as you've done, are always helpful.

Seems to be some confusion about the "marketing" and "website" charters. At the risk of introducing a Naming Thread, I'd suggest the marketing team should really be considered as "MarCom" (Marketing/Communications) and thus responsible for the content/fodder on the web (whereas the icky HTMLification of said fodder is decidedly not a marketing team role).

-mpg

-----Original Message-----
From: marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:38 AM
To: marketing@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [Marketing] Feedback from Marketing Meeting

Hello,

Upon partial review of the marketing committee meeting on IRC last
night, I noticed a couple things that I'd like to comment on.

First, It seems that my email was seen as a negative comment on the
marketing committee. I apologize that it was seen that way.
Specifically, my original email was not sent to the marketing committee
for a reason: I don't see that Marketing has -- up until this point --
had a strong reason to consider the website 'theirs'.

We have a "web committee" who is, as far as I understand it, tasked with
the maintenance of the website as it stands today. This committee is
primarily -- at this time -- involved in the upkeep of the current
website, and not with broad redesign movements. This is understandable.

The idea of significantly changing the website seems like it would be
outside the realm of any existing committee within OSGeo. WebCom is
primarily tasked with maintaining the existing website. Marketing is
working on branding, providing print materials, conference attendance,
etc. This is fine, and perfectly reasonable.

My email to the board was an effort to point out that perhaps some
effort needs to be taken *outside* the purposes typically set up by
these committees -- that the Board should perhaps consider a seperate
task, that of a significant web presence redesign, as important to the
Foundation. This is not a criticism of existing efforts -- the existing
website is a fine piece of work for what it is, adn the marketing
committee's efforts are similarly successful at the tasks that are being
undertaken. Simply put, website redesign has not been proposed as a task
that belongs to either of these committees in the past -- at least, not
that I've seen.

My email was designed to bring attention to this particular aspect of
OSGeo's success at this time.

Another complaint was that I mentioned OpenGeo as doing a good job with
creating a corporate-friendly web presence, "without making a mention of
how much investment has gone into such branding." Allow me to clarify:
If I thought this was a task we could snap our fingers at, then I
wouldn't have bothered to send an email. The task of creating a
successful brand -- successful insofar as it is recognized as completing
the goals that people are interested in -- is one that is very hard, and
website redesign to support that goal is often expensive. Very few
people who are currently participating in OSGeo have the marketing
know how to do even a portion of what I suggested.

The fact that this effort is so significant is exactly why I suggested
that the item be considered *before* the board approves budgets for
2009: specifically, if the board considers my suggestions, and finds
them to have some merit, it may make some sense to address this by
keeping some funds available for the task.

I am sorry that my comments have upset people. I am not attempting to
belittle the efforts that the marketing committee has been putting
forward -- it is clearly doing important work. Nor am I trying to say
that the marketing committee should be specifically taking on tasks like
website redesign. Instead, I'm simply trying to offer some
information/guidance, based on my own personal opinions and the feedback
that I have been receiving of late.

In my opinion, the OSGeo website does not, at this time, clearly achieve
the following goals:

* Provide a clear, concise overview of OSGeo to first time visitors.
* Provide a clear description of each OSGeo project to potential
   users considering using OSGeo software.
* Provide compelling evidence/information about OSGeo projects designed
   for corporate consumption.

It does, on the other hand, achieve the following goals:
* Provide a single stop to get access to a large quantity of
   information about OSGeo.
* Provide an overview of recent news and upcoming events in the OSGeo
   community.
* Provide a starting point for getting access to OSGeo projects,
   especially if you're familiar with them already.

As a resource, these things are clearly important to the existing OSGeo
community. It's just not as clear to me that the OSGeo homepage provides
a useful starting point for someone beginning to look at OSGeo -- either
as a Foundation, or as a home of a project they might be interested in.

Perhaps the answer is "This is not what OSGeo needs." In that case, I
am simply wrong: that's an easy enough answer. I don't know who is best
equipped to answer that question. I think that it comes from a variety
of sources: Marketing, WebCom, other groups within the project, perhaps.

Perhaps the answer is "This is interesting, but less important than
supporting events." I would disagree with this based on what little
knowledge I have, but am willing to accept that it's not worth the
time/energy of OSGeo to investigate improved website presence.

Perhaps the answer is simply "We can't afford it." This is also
obviously a reasonable response.

None of these responses would be out of line from the Marketing
committee, or OSGeo as a whole. However, I thought it would be
worthwhile to bring up the possibility that OSgeo's current community
site is inefficient at turning first time visitors into people who walk
away not knowing what OSGeo is -- in my opinion -- for consideration of
some group of people larger than myself.

I apologize, again, for upsetting people with the tone of my email. I'll
be honest and say that I don't really understand why this would be
upsetting, but hopefully this better explains why I think that none of
what I said should be seen as a criticism/failure of any existing group
within OSGeo.

Best Regards,
--
Christopher Schmidt
MetaCarta
_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

No apologies needed, imho -- such comments, when well thought out as you've
done, are always helpful.

Seems to be some confusion about the "marketing" and "website" charters. At
the risk of introducing a Naming Thread, I'd suggest the marketing team
should really be considered as "MarCom" (Marketing/Communications) and thus
responsible for the content/fodder on the web (whereas the icky
HTMLification of said fodder is decidedly not a marketing team role).

Folks,

I don't think the website committee has felt it couldn't create various
content for the website like that discussed. But the people involved
have just not had the energy and expertise to do so. I'm confident we
(on the web site) would be most appreciative of content developed by
the marketing committee for the web site, as well as suggestions for
navigation, etc.

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent

Case studies, case studies, case studies, people say. I find that it
takes me about half a day per study. Now, I am notoriously lazy, so
you can take that number any way you like, but there it is. And the
reason I'm not cranking out case studies for osgeo? It doesn't really
scratch my itch. I've got a great lead for a new postgis study burning
a hole in my desk right now... I'll get to it, someday.

P.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Frank Warmerdam <warmerdam@pobox.com> wrote:

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

No apologies needed, imho -- such comments, when well thought out as
you've
done, are always helpful.

Seems to be some confusion about the "marketing" and "website" charters.
At
the risk of introducing a Naming Thread, I'd suggest the marketing team
should really be considered as "MarCom" (Marketing/Communications) and
thus
responsible for the content/fodder on the web (whereas the icky
HTMLification of said fodder is decidedly not a marketing team role).

Folks,

I don't think the website committee has felt it couldn't create various
content for the website like that discussed. But the people involved
have just not had the energy and expertise to do so. I'm confident we
(on the web site) would be most appreciative of content developed by
the marketing committee for the web site, as well as suggestions for
navigation, etc.

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam,
warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

I write a lot of content fodder for my day job, but I'm not keen on doing more of that for OSGeo too.

Which is why I fear this is something we'd have to pay to get them done up for us. (I suggested Tina Cary for this at last night's meeting.)

Assuming we have agreement that it would be a valuable thing.

Note there are different kinds of "case studies", varying by length and media type; I'm using the term very loosely here. Here are three samples I'm familiar with:
  http://www.lizardtech.com/files/geo/casestudies/CityOfAurora.pdf
  http://www.gisuser.com/content/view/15523/28/
  http://www.terragis.net/2008/11/24/obama-campaign-mapping-voters-with-mapserver-postgis-and-openlayers/

Although I'll note note of them give any qualitative/quantitative ROI numbers or factors, which would be ideal.

The last one, in fact, is being turned into a piece for my monthly GeoConnexion column. And, now that I think of it, you should know that TylerM and I are going to compile all the 18 columns to date into one large OSGeo Journal issue -- which, if I do say so myself, will make a great piece of marketing collateral...

-mpg

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pramsey@cleverelephant.ca]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:40 AM
To: Frank Warmerdam
Cc: Michael P. Gerlek; marketing@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Feedback from Marketing Meeting

Case studies, case studies, case studies, people say. I find that it
takes me about half a day per study. Now, I am notoriously lazy, so
you can take that number any way you like, but there it is. And the
reason I'm not cranking out case studies for osgeo? It doesn't really
scratch my itch. I've got a great lead for a new postgis study burning
a hole in my desk right now... I'll get to it, someday.

P.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Frank Warmerdam <warmerdam@pobox.com> wrote:

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

No apologies needed, imho -- such comments, when well thought out as
you've
done, are always helpful.

Seems to be some confusion about the "marketing" and "website" charters.
At
the risk of introducing a Naming Thread, I'd suggest the marketing team
should really be considered as "MarCom" (Marketing/Communications) and
thus
responsible for the content/fodder on the web (whereas the icky
HTMLification of said fodder is decidedly not a marketing team role).

Folks,

I don't think the website committee has felt it couldn't create various
content for the website like that discussed. But the people involved
have just not had the energy and expertise to do so. I'm confident we
(on the web site) would be most appreciative of content developed by
the marketing committee for the web site, as well as suggestions for
navigation, etc.

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam,
warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

What you have high lighted with regards to a clear website are very important and unfortunately the truth is sometimes painful to hear, especially when the task of addressing it seems difficult. It needed to be said.

The background you have given here clarifies that you understand that what you are asking isn't easy to resource or cheap. And indeed you are trying to work out a solution for it like the rest of us.

I personally appreciate your comments, and I know you are the sort of person who pulls his sleeves up to get things done. (I've seen you do it numerous times in Openlayers, Tilecache, OSGeo, ...). So please keep your comments coming.

Christopher Schmidt wrote:

Hello,

Upon partial review of the marketing committee meeting on IRC last
night, I noticed a couple things that I'd like to comment on.

First, It seems that my email was seen as a negative comment on the
marketing committee. I apologize that it was seen that way.
Specifically, my original email was not sent to the marketing committee
for a reason: I don't see that Marketing has -- up until this point --
had a strong reason to consider the website 'theirs'.

We have a "web committee" who is, as far as I understand it, tasked with
the maintenance of the website as it stands today. This committee is
primarily -- at this time -- involved in the upkeep of the current
website, and not with broad redesign movements. This is understandable.

The idea of significantly changing the website seems like it would be
outside the realm of any existing committee within OSGeo. WebCom is
primarily tasked with maintaining the existing website. Marketing is
working on branding, providing print materials, conference attendance,
etc. This is fine, and perfectly reasonable.

My email to the board was an effort to point out that perhaps some
effort needs to be taken *outside* the purposes typically set up by
these committees -- that the Board should perhaps consider a seperate
task, that of a significant web presence redesign, as important to the
Foundation. This is not a criticism of existing efforts -- the existing
website is a fine piece of work for what it is, adn the marketing
committee's efforts are similarly successful at the tasks that are being
undertaken. Simply put, website redesign has not been proposed as a task
that belongs to either of these committees in the past -- at least, not
that I've seen.

My email was designed to bring attention to this particular aspect of
OSGeo's success at this time.

Another complaint was that I mentioned OpenGeo as doing a good job with
creating a corporate-friendly web presence, "without making a mention of
how much investment has gone into such branding." Allow me to clarify:
If I thought this was a task we could snap our fingers at, then I
wouldn't have bothered to send an email. The task of creating a
successful brand -- successful insofar as it is recognized as completing
the goals that people are interested in -- is one that is very hard, and
website redesign to support that goal is often expensive. Very few
people who are currently participating in OSGeo have the marketing
know how to do even a portion of what I suggested.

The fact that this effort is so significant is exactly why I suggested
that the item be considered *before* the board approves budgets for
2009: specifically, if the board considers my suggestions, and finds
them to have some merit, it may make some sense to address this by
keeping some funds available for the task.

I am sorry that my comments have upset people. I am not attempting to
belittle the efforts that the marketing committee has been putting
forward -- it is clearly doing important work. Nor am I trying to say
that the marketing committee should be specifically taking on tasks like
website redesign. Instead, I'm simply trying to offer some
information/guidance, based on my own personal opinions and the feedback that I have been receiving of late.

In my opinion, the OSGeo website does not, at this time, clearly achieve
the following goals:

* Provide a clear, concise overview of OSGeo to first time visitors.
* Provide a clear description of each OSGeo project to potential
   users considering using OSGeo software.
* Provide compelling evidence/information about OSGeo projects designed
   for corporate consumption.

It does, on the other hand, achieve the following goals:
* Provide a single stop to get access to a large quantity of
   information about OSGeo.
* Provide an overview of recent news and upcoming events in the OSGeo
   community.
* Provide a starting point for getting access to OSGeo projects,
   especially if you're familiar with them already.

As a resource, these things are clearly important to the existing OSGeo
community. It's just not as clear to me that the OSGeo homepage provides
a useful starting point for someone beginning to look at OSGeo -- either
as a Foundation, or as a home of a project they might be interested in.

Perhaps the answer is "This is not what OSGeo needs." In that case, I
am simply wrong: that's an easy enough answer. I don't know who is best
equipped to answer that question. I think that it comes from a variety
of sources: Marketing, WebCom, other groups within the project, perhaps.

Perhaps the answer is "This is interesting, but less important than
supporting events." I would disagree with this based on what little
knowledge I have, but am willing to accept that it's not worth the
time/energy of OSGeo to investigate improved website presence.

Perhaps the answer is simply "We can't afford it." This is also
obviously a reasonable response.

None of these responses would be out of line from the Marketing
committee, or OSGeo as a whole. However, I thought it would be
worthwhile to bring up the possibility that OSgeo's current community
site is inefficient at turning first time visitors into people who walk
away not knowing what OSGeo is -- in my opinion -- for consideration of
some group of people larger than myself.

I apologize, again, for upsetting people with the tone of my email. I'll
be honest and say that I don't really understand why this would be
upsetting, but hopefully this better explains why I think that none of
what I said should be seen as a criticism/failure of any existing group
within OSGeo.

Best Regards,
  
--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Systems Architect
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

So what is the most effective way to get case studies written?

How can we empower volunteers to do the majority - if not all the work?

What are the limitations of the existing http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Case_Studies web page jump point?

Paul Ramsey wrote:

Case studies, case studies, case studies, people say. I find that it
takes me about half a day per study. Now, I am notoriously lazy, so
you can take that number any way you like, but there it is. And the
reason I'm not cranking out case studies for osgeo? It doesn't really
scratch my itch. I've got a great lead for a new postgis study burning
a hole in my desk right now... I'll get to it, someday.

P.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Frank Warmerdam <warmerdam@pobox.com> wrote:
  

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
    

No apologies needed, imho -- such comments, when well thought out as
you've
done, are always helpful.

Seems to be some confusion about the "marketing" and "website" charters.
At
the risk of introducing a Naming Thread, I'd suggest the marketing team
should really be considered as "MarCom" (Marketing/Communications) and
thus
responsible for the content/fodder on the web (whereas the icky
HTMLification of said fodder is decidedly not a marketing team role).
      

Folks,

I don't think the website committee has felt it couldn't create various
content for the website like that discussed. But the people involved
have just not had the energy and expertise to do so. I'm confident we
(on the web site) would be most appreciative of content developed by
the marketing committee for the web site, as well as suggestions for
navigation, etc.

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam,
warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
  
--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Systems Architect
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

Frank wrote:
---------------------------
I don't think the website committee has felt it couldn't create various
content for the website like that discussed. But the people involved
have just not had the energy and expertise to do so. I'm confident we
(on the web site) would be most appreciative of content developed by
the marketing committee for the web site, as well as suggestions for
navigation, etc.
---------------------------

I'm not convinced that WebCom is a valuable construct, especially given
our current level of activity. It's quite possible that WebCom's
current moribund state is entirely due to my lack of leadership, but I'd
like to think that there is more to it than that. My personal feeling
is that its function is the boring stuff that neither Marketing nor SAC
wants to take care of, and that the overlap in responsibility between
WebCom and Marketing leads to a reluctance/hesitance to take ownership.

I would personally prefer to see WebCom rolled into Marketing. I've
brought this up before though, with little feedback or agreement. I
know that I would feel happier helping out on website tasks as part of a
strong marketing committee, than struggling to lead a weak website
committee.

Jason

Quality. Compare a study carefully researched and written, with one
cut and pasted from an e-mail by a staffer who didn't give a damn:

http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/casestudies/ign/
http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/casestudies/mgps/

What are the limitations of the existing
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Case_Studies web page jump point?

Jason Birch wrote:

Frank wrote:
---------------------------
I don't think the website committee has felt it couldn't create various
content for the website like that discussed. But the people involved
have just not had the energy and expertise to do so. I'm confident we
(on the web site) would be most appreciative of content developed by
the marketing committee for the web site, as well as suggestions for
navigation, etc.
---------------------------

I'm not convinced that WebCom is a valuable construct, especially given
our current level of activity. It's quite possible that WebCom's
current moribund state is entirely due to my lack of leadership, but I'd
like to think that there is more to it than that. My personal feeling
is that its function is the boring stuff that neither Marketing nor SAC
wants to take care of, and that the overlap in responsibility between
WebCom and Marketing leads to a reluctance/hesitance to take ownership.

I would personally prefer to see WebCom rolled into Marketing. I've
brought this up before though, with little feedback or agreement. I
know that I would feel happier helping out on website tasks as part of a
strong marketing committee, than struggling to lead a weak website
committee.

Jason,

Well, I'm tired of fighting this. I'd suggest you bring this as a motion
to webcom (to merge), and the marketing committee (to accept responsibility),
and then we can bring it to the board to ratify.

But there is no way I'm going to attend a long marketing meeting just
to discuss a few web site issues!

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent

On 11-Dec-08, at 11:19 AM, Jason Birch wrote:

I would personally prefer to see WebCom rolled into Marketing. I've
brought this up before though, with little feedback or agreement. I
know that I would feel happier helping out on website tasks as part of a
strong marketing committee, than struggling to lead a weak website
committee.

I feel your pain Jason and totally understand. I thought we'd bite of a bit more this year and at least get marketing worrying about the web site a bit more. It's a bit of a struggle to see how our marketing group could really handle all the combined tasks, as I don't feel we are really strong yet, though I don't mean we haven't been productive :slight_smile: But I assume you'd like to see the web committee members merge into marketing. In that case I'd be glad to see the size of the workforce increase - I think it would lead to some interesting and more empowered perspectives.

I think on the technical sides it would mean referring some issues to SAC instead of WebCom- but in half the cases it might be the same volunteer members who do the work anyway. I think in the past we've looked at the 'tasks' of each committee and both chairs went "ack! we can only handle one thing at a time - how can we merge". But as we move forward, I'm optimistic we could handle it.

In the end, I'm all in favour for fewer committees so that there are less barriers to making decisions and feeling ownership for projects.

Hope that makes some sense,
Tyler