[Marketing] [Live-demo] osgeo live logo, and website presentation

We have just invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo and guidelines. I disagree with Cameron (doesn't happen often) on allowing a high degree of flexibility in the user of the logo and interpretation of the guidelines.

Let's try to follow the guidelines as closely as possible - use the logo as intended or continue with a project specific logo and have a small OSGeo logo separately, don't change the logo colours. Let's note any problems we encounter and review after a year

Steven

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Jody, others,

Looking at the branding style guide, there is some ambiguity between the
goal of allowing sub-brands (which would involve being creative with how
the logo is used with other graphical concepts) and dos and don'ts which
state not changing the logo. I suggest Dos and Don'ts be suggestions and
goals rather than hard rules in order to enable people to be creative.
Eg: if a chapter wanted to use their country's flag colours within the
logo, I think that should be ok. It is in the designer's interest to try
and align with the core OSGeo-Logo, so they will likely do a good job of
making it obvious there are OSGeo roots.

Eg: Spanish logo:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Capítulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante

For OSGeo-Live, I'm expecting we will want to work out a way to weave a
heart (or some other image aligned with "live") into the logo somehow.
We may want to retain the blue heart. That should be ok and up to us to
do a good job of deciding that.

You might notice OSGeo-Live has broken the style guide by using the logo
in over another image in our screenshot:

https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png

In previous releases we have used washed out versions of the logo, of
large, off-center parts of the logo. It was artistic and looked good,
and provided the link back to OSGeo. We should empower the creative
people in our community to be creative in that way.

The guide is prescriptive about only being shown on a white background.
Again, that should be a recommendation rather than a rule. If I have a
presentation template with a light blue background, I should be able to
put a logo over the top, without needing to create a white square to put
under it. As a creator, I should be able to decide which looks best.

Cheers, Cameron

What we did in the style guide is be clear about what is going on:

  1. osgeo mark and logo
  2. sub brands - use the osgeo mark with different text (two presentations are available to allow of OSGeo:UK style)

And then:

  1. distinct brands - use their own mark. Distinct marks are able to use the color and fonts and some branding elements to be visually part of OSGeo (but because they use their own mark they are forming a distinct brand)

We have used GeoForAll and OSGeo Live as examples of distinct brands.

This was a case of us not being familiar with the terminology around branding, hopefully armed with the above breakdown it will be easier to explain.

We went back with the graphics designer multiple times learning more each meeting. This produced things like the OSGeo:UK alternate text for a sub brand, and experimented with a few examples of distinct brands. We also have some unknowns, specifically what to do on twitter and facebook for avatar pictures for osgeo local chapter feeds. We would like to use the osgeo mark unaltered but the format does not allow for that and the circle avatar design target limits options (it is intended for a face after all).

Please have a look at page 5 of the style guide at the top of this thread.

See page 5 here - https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf

From the marketing committee perspective we have as you say “just invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo and guidelines”. It will take a bit of hand holding, and some tradeoffs, as we explain options to projects, local chapters and committees.

With respect to this weeks meeting we should focus on the website site map gap analysis, prioritizing the outstanding issues (whole sections of the website do not work yet), and complete the contract with Get Interactive in a timely fashion. I would not feel good about going back to the sub brand handling for a forth time. Several groups had a chance for direct 1 on 1 during the code sprint and we should move on to finishing this project.

By the same token we are iterating on the choose-a-project graphics; while I was able to offer some clarifications during the code sprint I would really applicate some backup by someone with more cartographic & analsyis experience then me. In many senses I am just a developer and we need input from someone with more experience of our target audience than I can provided.

···

On 27 August 2017 at 01:52, Steven Feldman <shfeldman@gmail.com> wrote:

We have just invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo and guidelines. I disagree with Cameron (doesn’t happen often) on allowing a high degree of flexibility in the user of the logo and interpretation of the guidelines.

Let’s try to follow the guidelines as closely as possible - use the logo as intended or continue with a project specific logo and have a small OSGeo logo separately, don’t change the logo colours. Let’s note any problems we encounter and review after a year

Steven

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Jody, others,

Looking at the branding style guide, there is some ambiguity between the
goal of allowing sub-brands (which would involve being creative with how
the logo is used with other graphical concepts) and dos and don’ts which
state not changing the logo. I suggest Dos and Don’ts be suggestions and
goals rather than hard rules in order to enable people to be creative.
Eg: if a chapter wanted to use their country’s flag colours within the
logo, I think that should be ok. It is in the designer’s interest to try
and align with the core OSGeo-Logo, so they will likely do a good job of
making it obvious there are OSGeo roots.

Eg: Spanish logo:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Cap%C3%ADtulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante

For OSGeo-Live, I’m expecting we will want to work out a way to weave a
heart (or some other image aligned with “live”) into the logo somehow.
We may want to retain the blue heart. That should be ok and up to us to
do a good job of deciding that.

You might notice OSGeo-Live has broken the style guide by using the logo
in over another image in our screenshot:

https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png

In previous releases we have used washed out versions of the logo, of
large, off-center parts of the logo. It was artistic and looked good,
and provided the link back to OSGeo. We should empower the creative
people in our community to be creative in that way.

The guide is prescriptive about only being shown on a white background.
Again, that should be a recommendation rather than a rule. If I have a
presentation template with a light blue background, I should be able to
put a logo over the top, without needing to create a white square to put
under it. As a creator, I should be able to decide which looks best.

Cheers, Cameron


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All, in our OSGeo-Live weekly meeting today [1] we discuss a new OSGeo-Live logo and came to the conclusion that a "Play" logo would be a good way to convey what we stand for. (OSGeo-Live allows people to run OSGeo applications). While a traditional play logo is a right pointing triangle in a circle, we were thinking we could put a right pointing logo inside the outer ring of the OSGeo logo (replacing the inner star).

This would address our goal of being tied to OSGeo, but also linking to our project attributes.

Is this something that people in the marketing committee would consider acceptable? (Hopefully so, as a prior suggestion from the marketing committee was similar - putting a heart in the middle of the OSGeo ring).

Warm regards, Cameron

[1] http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-08-28.log

On 28-Aug-17 2:25 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:

What we did in the style guide is be clear about what is going on:

1) osgeo mark and logo
2) sub brands - use the osgeo mark with different text (two presentations are available to allow of OSGeo:UK style)

And then:

3) distinct brands - use their own mark. Distinct marks are able to use the color and fonts and some branding elements to be visually part of OSGeo (but because they use their own mark they are forming a distinct brand)

We have used GeoForAll and OSGeo Live as examples of distinct brands.

This was a case of us not being familiar with the terminology around branding, hopefully armed with the above breakdown it will be easier to explain.

We went back with the graphics designer multiple times learning more each meeting. This produced things like the OSGeo:UK alternate text for a sub brand, and experimented with a few examples of distinct brands. We also have some unknowns, specifically what to do on twitter and facebook for avatar pictures for osgeo local chapter feeds. We would like to use the osgeo mark unaltered but the format does not allow for that and the circle avatar design target limits options (it is intended for a face after all).

Please have a look at page 5 of the style guide at the top of this thread.

    See page 5 here -
    https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf
    <https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf&gt;

From the marketing committee perspective we have as you say "just invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo and guidelines". It will take a bit of hand holding, and some tradeoffs, as we explain options to projects, local chapters and committees.

With respect to this weeks meeting we should focus on the website site map gap analysis, prioritizing the outstanding issues (whole sections of the website do not work yet), and complete the contract with Get Interactive in a timely fashion. I would not feel good about going back to the sub brand handling for a forth time. Several groups had a chance for direct 1 on 1 during the code sprint and we should move on to finishing this project.

By the same token we are iterating on the choose-a-project graphics; while I was able to offer some clarifications during the code sprint I would really applicate some backup by someone with more cartographic & analsyis experience then me. In many senses I am just a developer and we need input from someone with more experience of our target audience than I can provided.

--
Jody Garnett

On 27 August 2017 at 01:52, Steven Feldman <shfeldman@gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com>> wrote:

    We have just invested in a professionally developed corporate
    identity, logo and guidelines. I disagree with Cameron (doesn't
    happen often) on allowing a high degree of flexibility in the user
    of the logo and interpretation of the guidelines.

    Let's try to follow the guidelines as closely as possible - use
    the logo as intended or continue with a project specific logo and
    have a small OSGeo logo separately, don't change the logo colours.
    Let's note any problems we encounter and review after a year

    Steven

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    > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 04:03:56 +1000
    > From: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com
    <mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com>>
    > To: Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com
    <mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com>>, Jody Garnett
    > <jody.garnett@gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com>>
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    > presentation
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    >
    > Jody, others,
    >
    > Looking at the branding style guide, there is some ambiguity
    between the
    > goal of allowing sub-brands (which would involve being creative
    with how
    > the logo is used with other graphical concepts) and dos and
    don'ts which
    > state not changing the logo. I suggest Dos and Don'ts be
    suggestions and
    > goals rather than hard rules in order to enable people to be
    creative.
    > Eg: if a chapter wanted to use their country's flag colours
    within the
    > logo, I think that should be ok. It is in the designer's
    interest to try
    > and align with the core OSGeo-Logo, so they will likely do a
    good job of
    > making it obvious there are OSGeo roots.
    >
    > Eg: Spanish logo:
    >
    https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Capítulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante
    <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Capítulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante&gt;
    >
    > For OSGeo-Live, I'm expecting we will want to work out a way to
    weave a
    > heart (or some other image aligned with "live") into the logo
    somehow.
    > We may want to retain the blue heart. That should be ok and up
    to us to
    > do a good job of deciding that.
    >
    > You might notice OSGeo-Live has broken the style guide by using
    the logo
    > in over another image in our screenshot:
    >
    > https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png
    <https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png&gt;
    >
    > In previous releases we have used washed out versions of the
    logo, of
    > large, off-center parts of the logo. It was artistic and looked
    good,
    > and provided the link back to OSGeo. We should empower the creative
    > people in our community to be creative in that way.
    >
    > The guide is prescriptive about only being shown on a white
    background.
    > Again, that should be a recommendation rather than a rule. If I
    have a
    > presentation template with a light blue background, I should be
    able to
    > put a logo over the top, without needing to create a white
    square to put
    > under it. As a creator, I should be able to decide which looks best.
    >
    > Cheers, Cameron
    >
    >>
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I like it - good insight!

The marketing committee is here to encourage everyone, so if you are happy we are happy.

Do you need a hand making a mock up or are enough assets available in github for you to work with? I am also interested in application of fonts and text, are there enough options for the OSGeo live team to work with?

···

On 28 August 2017 at 18:13, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

All, in our OSGeo-Live weekly meeting today [1] we discuss a new OSGeo-Live logo and came to the conclusion that a “Play” logo would be a good way to convey what we stand for. (OSGeo-Live allows people to run OSGeo applications). While a traditional play logo is a right pointing triangle in a circle, we were thinking we could put a right pointing logo inside the outer ring of the OSGeo logo (replacing the inner star).

This would address our goal of being tied to OSGeo, but also linking to our project attributes.

Is this something that people in the marketing committee would consider acceptable? (Hopefully so, as a prior suggestion from the marketing committee was similar - putting a heart in the middle of the OSGeo ring).

Warm regards, Cameron

[1] http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-08-28.log

On 28-Aug-17 2:25 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:

What we did in the style guide is be clear about what is going on:

  1. osgeo mark and logo
  2. sub brands - use the osgeo mark with different text (two presentations are available to allow of OSGeo:UK style)

And then:

  1. distinct brands - use their own mark. Distinct marks are able to use the color and fonts and some branding elements to be visually part of OSGeo (but because they use their own mark they are forming a distinct brand)

We have used GeoForAll and OSGeo Live as examples of distinct brands.

This was a case of us not being familiar with the terminology around branding, hopefully armed with the above breakdown it will be easier to explain.

We went back with the graphics designer multiple times learning more each meeting. This produced things like the OSGeo:UK alternate text for a sub brand, and experimented with a few examples of distinct brands. We also have some unknowns, specifically what to do on twitter and facebook for avatar pictures for osgeo local chapter feeds. We would like to use the osgeo mark unaltered but the format does not allow for that and the circle avatar design target limits options (it is intended for a face after all).

Please have a look at page 5 of the style guide at the top of this thread.

See page 5 here - https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf

From the marketing committee perspective we have as you say “just invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo and guidelines”. It will take a bit of hand holding, and some tradeoffs, as we explain options to projects, local chapters and committees.

With respect to this weeks meeting we should focus on the website site map gap analysis, prioritizing the outstanding issues (whole sections of the website do not work yet), and complete the contract with Get Interactive in a timely fashion. I would not feel good about going back to the sub brand handling for a forth time. Several groups had a chance for direct 1 on 1 during the code sprint and we should move on to finishing this project.

By the same token we are iterating on the choose-a-project graphics; while I was able to offer some clarifications during the code sprint I would really applicate some backup by someone with more cartographic & analsyis experience then me. In many senses I am just a developer and we need input from someone with more experience of our target audience than I can provided.

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On 27 August 2017 at 01:52, Steven Feldman <shfeldman@gmail.com> wrote:

We have just invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo and guidelines. I disagree with Cameron (doesn’t happen often) on allowing a high degree of flexibility in the user of the logo and interpretation of the guidelines.

Let’s try to follow the guidelines as closely as possible - use the logo as intended or continue with a project specific logo and have a small OSGeo logo separately, don’t change the logo colours. Let’s note any problems we encounter and review after a year

Steven

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Jody, others,

Looking at the branding style guide, there is some ambiguity between the
goal of allowing sub-brands (which would involve being creative with how
the logo is used with other graphical concepts) and dos and don’ts which
state not changing the logo. I suggest Dos and Don’ts be suggestions and
goals rather than hard rules in order to enable people to be creative.
Eg: if a chapter wanted to use their country’s flag colours within the
logo, I think that should be ok. It is in the designer’s interest to try
and align with the core OSGeo-Logo, so they will likely do a good job of
making it obvious there are OSGeo roots.

Eg: Spanish logo:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Cap%C3%ADtulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante

For OSGeo-Live, I’m expecting we will want to work out a way to weave a
heart (or some other image aligned with “live”) into the logo somehow.
We may want to retain the blue heart. That should be ok and up to us to
do a good job of deciding that.

You might notice OSGeo-Live has broken the style guide by using the logo
in over another image in our screenshot:

https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png

In previous releases we have used washed out versions of the logo, of
large, off-center parts of the logo. It was artistic and looked good,
and provided the link back to OSGeo. We should empower the creative
people in our community to be creative in that way.

The guide is prescriptive about only being shown on a white background.
Again, that should be a recommendation rather than a rule. If I have a
presentation template with a light blue background, I should be able to
put a logo over the top, without needing to create a white square to put
under it. As a creator, I should be able to decide which looks best.

Cheers, Cameron


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Hi Jody,

Some help from the marketing team with a mock up would be welcomed. (While we agreed on a concept of a “play” icon we haven’t had a volunteer step up to create the logo).

I hadn’t read the overnight email trail before our OSGeo-Live meeting (an issue with being on a 6:30am conference call). Although we voted for the Play icon, I can see potential in the lightning emoji that Ben suggested as well. It would be interesting to see a mock up of a “OSGeo⚡LIVE” as well.

Maybe have the “play” button for the icon, and “OSGeo⚡LIVE” for text.

Re fonts and colours, I expect existing fonts and colours should be fine.

Jugen, re the “playground” suggestion. While I see potential value in it, but could be seen as child and not a serious option. (We do want OSGeo-Live to be taken seriously.)

Warm regards, Cameron

···

On 29/8/17 4:37 pm, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:

Hm, reading "play" triggered a association with "playground" here - while the
meant "play" is more used for consuming a film something.

How about using something like
[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pictograms-nps-land-playground.svg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pictograms-nps-land-playground.svg) ?

On 28/8/17 2:09 pm, Jody Garnett wrote:

Oh wow Ben - do it like OSGeo:UK bur using emoji “OSGeo⚡LIVE”

Points for Thunderstruck reference now I have it stuck in my head.

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> wrote:

I like neither the heart (more “love” than “live”) nor the laptop (too
complex and tied to one technology). I think more of live electricity
and live performance.

How about a lightning symbol? Or just leave the nice clean new OSGeo
compass and use the text “Live” or “LIVE” or “:zap: LIVE :zap:” (with the
Unicode HIGH VOLTAGE SIGN) where projects have “Project”? This would
avoid brand dilution. Something like:

OSGeo
:zap: LIVE :zap:

On 30/8/17 5:12 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

I like it - good insight!

The marketing committee is here to encourage everyone, so if you are happy we are happy.

Do you need a hand making a mock up or are enough assets available in github for you to work with? I am also interested in application of fonts and text, are there enough options for the OSGeo live team to work with?


Jody Garnett

On 28 August 2017 at 18:13, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

All, in our OSGeo-Live weekly meeting today [1] we discuss a new OSGeo-Live logo and came to the conclusion that a “Play” logo would be a good way to convey what we stand for. (OSGeo-Live allows people to run OSGeo applications). While a traditional play logo is a right pointing triangle in a circle, we were thinking we could put a right pointing logo inside the outer ring of the OSGeo logo (replacing the inner star).

This would address our goal of being tied to OSGeo, but also linking to our project attributes.

Is this something that people in the marketing committee would consider acceptable? (Hopefully so, as a prior suggestion from the marketing committee was similar - putting a heart in the middle of the OSGeo ring).

Warm regards, Cameron

[1] http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-08-28.log

On 28-Aug-17 2:25 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:

What we did in the style guide is be clear about what is going on:

  1. osgeo mark and logo
  2. sub brands - use the osgeo mark with different text (two presentations are available to allow of OSGeo:UK style)

And then:

  1. distinct brands - use their own mark. Distinct marks are able to use the color and fonts and some branding elements to be visually part of OSGeo (but because they use their own mark they are forming a distinct brand)

We have used GeoForAll and OSGeo Live as examples of distinct brands.

This was a case of us not being familiar with the terminology around branding, hopefully armed with the above breakdown it will be easier to explain.

We went back with the graphics designer multiple times learning more each meeting. This produced things like the OSGeo:UK alternate text for a sub brand, and experimented with a few examples of distinct brands. We also have some unknowns, specifically what to do on twitter and facebook for avatar pictures for osgeo local chapter feeds. We would like to use the osgeo mark unaltered but the format does not allow for that and the circle avatar design target limits options (it is intended for a face after all).

Please have a look at page 5 of the style guide at the top of this thread.

See page 5 here - https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf

From the marketing committee perspective we have as you say “just invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo and guidelines”. It will take a bit of hand holding, and some tradeoffs, as we explain options to projects, local chapters and committees.

With respect to this weeks meeting we should focus on the website site map gap analysis, prioritizing the outstanding issues (whole sections of the website do not work yet), and complete the contract with Get Interactive in a timely fashion. I would not feel good about going back to the sub brand handling for a forth time. Several groups had a chance for direct 1 on 1 during the code sprint and we should move on to finishing this project.

By the same token we are iterating on the choose-a-project graphics; while I was able to offer some clarifications during the code sprint I would really applicate some backup by someone with more cartographic & analsyis experience then me. In many senses I am just a developer and we need input from someone with more experience of our target audience than I can provided.


Jody Garnett

On 27 August 2017 at 01:52, Steven Feldman <shfeldman@gmail.com> wrote:

We have just invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo and guidelines. I disagree with Cameron (doesn’t happen often) on allowing a high degree of flexibility in the user of the logo and interpretation of the guidelines.

Let’s try to follow the guidelines as closely as possible - use the logo as intended or continue with a project specific logo and have a small OSGeo logo separately, don’t change the logo colours. Let’s note any problems we encounter and review after a year

Steven

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 04:03:56 +1000
From: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com>
To: Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com>, Jody Garnett
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Jody, others,

Looking at the branding style guide, there is some ambiguity between the
goal of allowing sub-brands (which would involve being creative with how
the logo is used with other graphical concepts) and dos and don’ts which
state not changing the logo. I suggest Dos and Don’ts be suggestions and
goals rather than hard rules in order to enable people to be creative.
Eg: if a chapter wanted to use their country’s flag colours within the
logo, I think that should be ok. It is in the designer’s interest to try
and align with the core OSGeo-Logo, so they will likely do a good job of
making it obvious there are OSGeo roots.

Eg: Spanish logo:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Cap%C3%ADtulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante

For OSGeo-Live, I’m expecting we will want to work out a way to weave a
heart (or some other image aligned with “live”) into the logo somehow.
We may want to retain the blue heart. That should be ok and up to us to
do a good job of deciding that.

You might notice OSGeo-Live has broken the style guide by using the logo
in over another image in our screenshot:

https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png

In previous releases we have used washed out versions of the logo, of
large, off-center parts of the logo. It was artistic and looked good,
and provided the link back to OSGeo. We should empower the creative
people in our community to be creative in that way.

The guide is prescriptive about only being shown on a white background.
Again, that should be a recommendation rather than a rule. If I have a
presentation template with a light blue background, I should be able to
put a logo over the top, without needing to create a white square to put
under it. As a creator, I should be able to decide which looks best.

Cheers, Cameron


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Here are some of the ideas from the last Live meeting.

png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn0iqgyhze7nrig/osgeolive2017ideas.png?dl=0

svg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/guwdwdi4diupyzb/osgeolive2017ideas.svg?dl=0

They just focus on the logo, and do not include integration with the
full branding yet.

-Alex

On 08/29/2017 01:30 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi Jody,

Some help from the marketing team with a mock up would be welcomed.
(While we agreed on a concept of a "play" icon we haven't had a
volunteer step up to create the logo).

I hadn't read the overnight email trail before our OSGeo-Live meeting
(an issue with being on a 6:30am conference call). Although we voted for
the Play icon, I can see potential in the lightning emoji that Ben
suggested as well. It would be interesting to see a mock up of a
"OSGeo⚡LIVE" as well.

Maybe have the "play" button for the icon, and "OSGeo⚡LIVE" for text.

Re fonts and colours, I expect existing fonts and colours should be fine.

Jugen, re the "playground" suggestion. While I see potential value in
it, but could be seen as child and not a serious option. (We do want
OSGeo-Live to be taken seriously.)

Warm regards, Cameron

On 29/8/17 4:37 pm, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:

Hm, reading "play" triggered a association with "playground" here -
while the
meant "play" is more used for consuming a film something.

How about using something like
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pictograms-nps-land-playground.svg
?

On 28/8/17 2:09 pm, Jody Garnett wrote:

Oh wow Ben - do it like OSGeo:UK bur using emoji "OSGeo⚡LIVE"

Points for Thunderstruck reference now I have it stuck in my head.
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz
<mailto:ben@transient.nz>> wrote:

    I like neither the heart (more "love" than "live") nor the laptop
(too
    complex and tied to one technology). I think more of live electricity
    and live performance.

    How about a lightning symbol? Or just leave the nice clean new OSGeo
    compass and use the text "Live" or "LIVE" or ":zap: LIVE :zap:" (with the
    Unicode HIGH VOLTAGE SIGN) where projects have "Project"? This would
    avoid brand dilution. Something like:

    OSGeo
    :zap: LIVE :zap:

On 30/8/17 5:12 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

I like it - good insight!

The marketing committee is here to encourage everyone, so if you are
happy we are happy.

Do you need a hand making a mock up or are enough assets available in
github for you to work with? I am also interested in application of
fonts and text, are there enough options for the OSGeo live team to
work with?

--
Jody Garnett

On 28 August 2017 at 18:13, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com
<mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com>> wrote:

    All, in our OSGeo-Live weekly meeting today [1] we discuss a new
    OSGeo-Live logo and came to the conclusion that a "Play" logo
    would be a good way to convey what we stand for. (OSGeo-Live
    allows people to run OSGeo applications). While a traditional play
    logo is a right pointing triangle in a circle, we were thinking we
    could put a right pointing logo inside the outer ring of the OSGeo
    logo (replacing the inner star).

    This would address our goal of being tied to OSGeo, but also
    linking to our project attributes.

    Is this something that people in the marketing committee would
    consider acceptable? (Hopefully so, as a prior suggestion from the
    marketing committee was similar - putting a heart in the middle of
    the OSGeo ring).

    Warm regards, Cameron

    [1]
    http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-08-28.log
    <http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-08-28.log&gt;

    On 28-Aug-17 2:25 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:

    What we did in the style guide is be clear about what is going on:

    1) osgeo mark and logo
    2) sub brands - use the osgeo mark with different text (two
    presentations are available to allow of OSGeo:UK style)

    And then:

    3) distinct brands - use their own mark. Distinct marks are able
    to use the color and fonts and some branding elements to be
    visually part of OSGeo (but because they use their own mark they
    are forming a distinct brand)

    We have used GeoForAll and OSGeo Live as examples of distinct
brands.

    This was a case of us not being familiar with the terminology
    around branding, hopefully armed with the above breakdown it will
    be easier to explain.

    We went back with the graphics designer multiple times learning
    more each meeting. This produced things like the OSGeo:UK
    alternate text for a sub brand, and experimented with a few
    examples of distinct brands. We also have some unknowns,
    specifically what to do on twitter and facebook for avatar
    pictures for osgeo local chapter feeds. We would like to use the
    osgeo mark unaltered but the format does not allow for that and
    the circle avatar design target limits options (it is intended
    for a face after all).

    Please have a look at page 5 of the style guide at the top of
    this thread.

        See page 5 here -
       
https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf

<https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf&gt;

    From the marketing committee perspective we have as you say "just
    invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo
    and guidelines". It will take a bit of hand holding, and some
    tradeoffs, as we explain options to projects, local chapters and
    committees.

    With respect to this weeks meeting we should focus on the website
    site map gap analysis, prioritizing the outstanding issues (whole
    sections of the website do not work yet), and complete the
    contract with Get Interactive in a timely fashion. I would not
    feel good about going back to the sub brand handling for a forth
    time. Several groups had a chance for direct 1 on 1 during the
    code sprint and we should move on to finishing this project.

    By the same token we are iterating on the choose-a-project
    graphics; while I was able to offer some clarifications during
    the code sprint I would really applicate some backup by someone
    with more cartographic & analsyis experience then me. In many
    senses I am just a developer and we need input from someone with
    more experience of our target audience than I can provided.

    --
    Jody Garnett

    On 27 August 2017 at 01:52, Steven Feldman <shfeldman@gmail.com
    <mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com>> wrote:

        We have just invested in a professionally developed corporate
        identity, logo and guidelines. I disagree with Cameron
        (doesn't happen often) on allowing a high degree of
        flexibility in the user of the logo and interpretation of the
        guidelines.

        Let's try to follow the guidelines as closely as possible -
        use the logo as intended or continue with a project specific
        logo and have a small OSGeo logo separately, don't change the
        logo colours. Let's note any problems we encounter and review
        after a year

        Steven

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        > (Cameron Shorter)
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        > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 04:03:56 +1000
        > From: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com
        <mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com>>
        > To: Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com
        <mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com>>, Jody Garnett
        > <jody.garnett@gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com>>
        > Cc: "live-demo@lists.osgeo.org
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        > Subject: Re: [Marketing] [Live-demo] osgeo live logo,
        and website
        > presentation
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        > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
        >
        > Jody, others,
        >
        > Looking at the branding style guide, there is some
        ambiguity between the
        > goal of allowing sub-brands (which would involve being
        creative with how
        > the logo is used with other graphical concepts) and dos and
        don'ts which
        > state not changing the logo. I suggest Dos and Don'ts be
        suggestions and
        > goals rather than hard rules in order to enable people to
        be creative.
        > Eg: if a chapter wanted to use their country's flag colours
        within the
        > logo, I think that should be ok. It is in the designer's
        interest to try
        > and align with the core OSGeo-Logo, so they will likely do
        a good job of
        > making it obvious there are OSGeo roots.
        >
        > Eg: Spanish logo:
        >
       
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Capítulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante

<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Capítulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante&gt;

        >
        > For OSGeo-Live, I'm expecting we will want to work out a
        way to weave a
        > heart (or some other image aligned with "live") into the
        logo somehow.
        > We may want to retain the blue heart. That should be ok and
        up to us to
        > do a good job of deciding that.
        >
        > You might notice OSGeo-Live has broken the style guide by
        using the logo
        > in over another image in our screenshot:
        >
        > https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png
        <https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png&gt;
        >
        > In previous releases we have used washed out versions of
        the logo, of
        > large, off-center parts of the logo. It was artistic and
        looked good,
        > and provided the link back to OSGeo. We should empower the
        creative
        > people in our community to be creative in that way.
        >
        > The guide is prescriptive about only being shown on a white
        background.
        > Again, that should be a recommendation rather than a rule.
        If I have a
        > presentation template with a light blue background, I
        should be able to
        > put a logo over the top, without needing to create a white
        square to put
        > under it. As a creator, I should be able to decide which
        looks best.
        >
        > Cheers, Cameron
        >
        >
        >>
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I think the one on the right can be considered on Brand. We can bring
it up with the designer tomorrow and have it added to the Style guide.
The other 2 are definitely not on brand.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

Here are some of the ideas from the last Live meeting.

png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn0iqgyhze7nrig/osgeolive2017ideas.png?dl=0

svg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/guwdwdi4diupyzb/osgeolive2017ideas.svg?dl=0

They just focus on the logo, and do not include integration with the
full branding yet.

-Alex

On 08/29/2017 01:30 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi Jody,

Some help from the marketing team with a mock up would be welcomed.
(While we agreed on a concept of a "play" icon we haven't had a
volunteer step up to create the logo).

I hadn't read the overnight email trail before our OSGeo-Live meeting
(an issue with being on a 6:30am conference call). Although we voted for
the Play icon, I can see potential in the lightning emoji that Ben
suggested as well. It would be interesting to see a mock up of a
"OSGeo⚡LIVE" as well.

Maybe have the "play" button for the icon, and "OSGeo⚡LIVE" for text.

Re fonts and colours, I expect existing fonts and colours should be fine.

Jugen, re the "playground" suggestion. While I see potential value in
it, but could be seen as child and not a serious option. (We do want
OSGeo-Live to be taken seriously.)

Warm regards, Cameron

On 29/8/17 4:37 pm, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:

Hm, reading "play" triggered a association with "playground" here -
while the
meant "play" is more used for consuming a film something.

How about using something like
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pictograms-nps-land-playground.svg
?

On 28/8/17 2:09 pm, Jody Garnett wrote:

Oh wow Ben - do it like OSGeo:UK bur using emoji "OSGeo⚡LIVE"

Points for Thunderstruck reference now I have it stuck in my head.
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz
<mailto:ben@transient.nz>> wrote:

    I like neither the heart (more "love" than "live") nor the laptop
(too
    complex and tied to one technology). I think more of live electricity
    and live performance.

    How about a lightning symbol? Or just leave the nice clean new OSGeo
    compass and use the text "Live" or "LIVE" or ":zap: LIVE :zap:" (with the
    Unicode HIGH VOLTAGE SIGN) where projects have "Project"? This would
    avoid brand dilution. Something like:

    OSGeo
    :zap: LIVE :zap:

On 30/8/17 5:12 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

I like it - good insight!

The marketing committee is here to encourage everyone, so if you are
happy we are happy.

Do you need a hand making a mock up or are enough assets available in
github for you to work with? I am also interested in application of
fonts and text, are there enough options for the OSGeo live team to
work with?

--
Jody Garnett

On 28 August 2017 at 18:13, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com
<mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com>> wrote:

    All, in our OSGeo-Live weekly meeting today [1] we discuss a new
    OSGeo-Live logo and came to the conclusion that a "Play" logo
    would be a good way to convey what we stand for. (OSGeo-Live
    allows people to run OSGeo applications). While a traditional play
    logo is a right pointing triangle in a circle, we were thinking we
    could put a right pointing logo inside the outer ring of the OSGeo
    logo (replacing the inner star).

    This would address our goal of being tied to OSGeo, but also
    linking to our project attributes.

    Is this something that people in the marketing committee would
    consider acceptable? (Hopefully so, as a prior suggestion from the
    marketing committee was similar - putting a heart in the middle of
    the OSGeo ring).

    Warm regards, Cameron

    [1]
    http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-08-28.log
    <http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-08-28.log&gt;

    On 28-Aug-17 2:25 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:

    What we did in the style guide is be clear about what is going on:

    1) osgeo mark and logo
    2) sub brands - use the osgeo mark with different text (two
    presentations are available to allow of OSGeo:UK style)

    And then:

    3) distinct brands - use their own mark. Distinct marks are able
    to use the color and fonts and some branding elements to be
    visually part of OSGeo (but because they use their own mark they
    are forming a distinct brand)

    We have used GeoForAll and OSGeo Live as examples of distinct
brands.

    This was a case of us not being familiar with the terminology
    around branding, hopefully armed with the above breakdown it will
    be easier to explain.

    We went back with the graphics designer multiple times learning
    more each meeting. This produced things like the OSGeo:UK
    alternate text for a sub brand, and experimented with a few
    examples of distinct brands. We also have some unknowns,
    specifically what to do on twitter and facebook for avatar
    pictures for osgeo local chapter feeds. We would like to use the
    osgeo mark unaltered but the format does not allow for that and
    the circle avatar design target limits options (it is intended
    for a face after all).

    Please have a look at page 5 of the style guide at the top of
    this thread.

        See page 5 here -

https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf

<https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf&gt;

    From the marketing committee perspective we have as you say "just
    invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo
    and guidelines". It will take a bit of hand holding, and some
    tradeoffs, as we explain options to projects, local chapters and
    committees.

    With respect to this weeks meeting we should focus on the website
    site map gap analysis, prioritizing the outstanding issues (whole
    sections of the website do not work yet), and complete the
    contract with Get Interactive in a timely fashion. I would not
    feel good about going back to the sub brand handling for a forth
    time. Several groups had a chance for direct 1 on 1 during the
    code sprint and we should move on to finishing this project.

    By the same token we are iterating on the choose-a-project
    graphics; while I was able to offer some clarifications during
    the code sprint I would really applicate some backup by someone
    with more cartographic & analsyis experience then me. In many
    senses I am just a developer and we need input from someone with
    more experience of our target audience than I can provided.

    --
    Jody Garnett

    On 27 August 2017 at 01:52, Steven Feldman <shfeldman@gmail.com
    <mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com>> wrote:

        We have just invested in a professionally developed corporate
        identity, logo and guidelines. I disagree with Cameron
        (doesn't happen often) on allowing a high degree of
        flexibility in the user of the logo and interpretation of the
        guidelines.

        Let's try to follow the guidelines as closely as possible -
        use the logo as intended or continue with a project specific
        logo and have a small OSGeo logo separately, don't change the
        logo colours. Let's note any problems we encounter and review
        after a year

        Steven

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        <mailto:marketing-request@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
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        > 1. Re: [Live-demo] osgeo live logo, and website presentation
        > (Cameron Shorter)
        >
        >
        >

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        > Message: 1
        > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 04:03:56 +1000
        > From: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com
        <mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com>>
        > To: Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com
        <mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com>>, Jody Garnett
        > <jody.garnett@gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com>>
        > Cc: "live-demo@lists.osgeo.org
        <mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org>"
        <live-demo@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org>>,
        > "marketing@lists.osgeo.org
        <mailto:marketing@lists.osgeo.org>"
        <marketing@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:marketing@lists.osgeo.org>>
        > Subject: Re: [Marketing] [Live-demo] osgeo live logo,
        and website
        > presentation
        > Message-ID: <9783ae77-d3c3-9779-0e96-e821c92bbe93@gmail.com
        <mailto:9783ae77-d3c3-9779-0e96-e821c92bbe93@gmail.com>>
        > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
        >
        > Jody, others,
        >
        > Looking at the branding style guide, there is some
        ambiguity between the
        > goal of allowing sub-brands (which would involve being
        creative with how
        > the logo is used with other graphical concepts) and dos and
        don'ts which
        > state not changing the logo. I suggest Dos and Don'ts be
        suggestions and
        > goals rather than hard rules in order to enable people to
        be creative.
        > Eg: if a chapter wanted to use their country's flag colours
        within the
        > logo, I think that should be ok. It is in the designer's
        interest to try
        > and align with the core OSGeo-Logo, so they will likely do
        a good job of
        > making it obvious there are OSGeo roots.
        >
        > Eg: Spanish logo:
        >

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Capítulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante

<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Capítulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante&gt;

        >
        > For OSGeo-Live, I'm expecting we will want to work out a
        way to weave a
        > heart (or some other image aligned with "live") into the
        logo somehow.
        > We may want to retain the blue heart. That should be ok and
        up to us to
        > do a good job of deciding that.
        >
        > You might notice OSGeo-Live has broken the style guide by
        using the logo
        > in over another image in our screenshot:
        >
        > https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png
        <https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png&gt;
        >
        > In previous releases we have used washed out versions of
        the logo, of
        > large, off-center parts of the logo. It was artistic and
        looked good,
        > and provided the link back to OSGeo. We should empower the
        creative
        > people in our community to be creative in that way.
        >
        > The guide is prescriptive about only being shown on a white
        background.
        > Again, that should be a recommendation rather than a rule.
        If I have a
        > presentation template with a light blue background, I
        should be able to
        > put a logo over the top, without needing to create a white
        square to put
        > under it. As a creator, I should be able to decide which
        looks best.
        >
        > Cheers, Cameron
        >
        >
        >>
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I agree, I like Alex's 3rd image, the version on the right with the triangle inside an OSGeo logo ring.

I suggest it would probably look slightly better if the the corners of the triangle are rounded rather than pointy. Something like:

https://imageog.flaticon.com/icons/png/512/0/375.png?size=1200x630f&pad=10,10,10,10&ext=png&bg=FFFFFFFF

On 30-Aug-17 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:

I think the one on the right can be considered on Brand. We can bring
it up with the designer tomorrow and have it added to the Style guide.
The other 2 are definitely not on brand.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

Here are some of the ideas from the last Live meeting.

png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn0iqgyhze7nrig/osgeolive2017ideas.png?dl=0

svg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/guwdwdi4diupyzb/osgeolive2017ideas.svg?dl=0

They just focus on the logo, and do not include integration with the
full branding yet.

-Alex

On 08/29/2017 01:30 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi Jody,

Some help from the marketing team with a mock up would be welcomed.
(While we agreed on a concept of a "play" icon we haven't had a
volunteer step up to create the logo).

I hadn't read the overnight email trail before our OSGeo-Live meeting
(an issue with being on a 6:30am conference call). Although we voted for
the Play icon, I can see potential in the lightning emoji that Ben
suggested as well. It would be interesting to see a mock up of a
"OSGeo⚡LIVE" as well.

Maybe have the "play" button for the icon, and "OSGeo⚡LIVE" for text.

Re fonts and colours, I expect existing fonts and colours should be fine.

Jugen, re the "playground" suggestion. While I see potential value in
it, but could be seen as child and not a serious option. (We do want
OSGeo-Live to be taken seriously.)

Warm regards, Cameron

On 29/8/17 4:37 pm, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:

Hm, reading "play" triggered a association with "playground" here -
while the
meant "play" is more used for consuming a film something.

How about using something like
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pictograms-nps-land-playground.svg
?

On 28/8/17 2:09 pm, Jody Garnett wrote:

Oh wow Ben - do it like OSGeo:UK bur using emoji "OSGeo⚡LIVE"

Points for Thunderstruck reference now I have it stuck in my head.
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz
<mailto:ben@transient.nz>> wrote:

     I like neither the heart (more "love" than "live") nor the laptop
(too
     complex and tied to one technology). I think more of live electricity
     and live performance.

     How about a lightning symbol? Or just leave the nice clean new OSGeo
     compass and use the text "Live" or "LIVE" or ":zap: LIVE :zap:" (with the
     Unicode HIGH VOLTAGE SIGN) where projects have "Project"? This would
     avoid brand dilution. Something like:

     OSGeo
     :zap: LIVE :zap:

On 30/8/17 5:12 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

I like it - good insight!

The marketing committee is here to encourage everyone, so if you are
happy we are happy.

Do you need a hand making a mock up or are enough assets available in
github for you to work with? I am also interested in application of
fonts and text, are there enough options for the OSGeo live team to
work with?

--
Jody Garnett

On 28 August 2017 at 18:13, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com
<mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com>> wrote:

     All, in our OSGeo-Live weekly meeting today [1] we discuss a new
     OSGeo-Live logo and came to the conclusion that a "Play" logo
     would be a good way to convey what we stand for. (OSGeo-Live
     allows people to run OSGeo applications). While a traditional play
     logo is a right pointing triangle in a circle, we were thinking we
     could put a right pointing logo inside the outer ring of the OSGeo
     logo (replacing the inner star).

     This would address our goal of being tied to OSGeo, but also
     linking to our project attributes.

     Is this something that people in the marketing committee would
     consider acceptable? (Hopefully so, as a prior suggestion from the
     marketing committee was similar - putting a heart in the middle of
     the OSGeo ring).

     Warm regards, Cameron

     [1]
     http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-08-28.log
     <http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-08-28.log&gt;

     On 28-Aug-17 2:25 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:

     What we did in the style guide is be clear about what is going on:

     1) osgeo mark and logo
     2) sub brands - use the osgeo mark with different text (two
     presentations are available to allow of OSGeo:UK style)

     And then:

     3) distinct brands - use their own mark. Distinct marks are able
     to use the color and fonts and some branding elements to be
     visually part of OSGeo (but because they use their own mark they
     are forming a distinct brand)

     We have used GeoForAll and OSGeo Live as examples of distinct
brands.

     This was a case of us not being familiar with the terminology
     around branding, hopefully armed with the above breakdown it will
     be easier to explain.

     We went back with the graphics designer multiple times learning
     more each meeting. This produced things like the OSGeo:UK
     alternate text for a sub brand, and experimented with a few
     examples of distinct brands. We also have some unknowns,
     specifically what to do on twitter and facebook for avatar
     pictures for osgeo local chapter feeds. We would like to use the
     osgeo mark unaltered but the format does not allow for that and
     the circle avatar design target limits options (it is intended
     for a face after all).

     Please have a look at page 5 of the style guide at the top of
     this thread.

         See page 5 here -

https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf

<https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/marketing/branding/styleguide-osgeo.pdf&gt;

     From the marketing committee perspective we have as you say "just
     invested in a professionally developed corporate identity, logo
     and guidelines". It will take a bit of hand holding, and some
     tradeoffs, as we explain options to projects, local chapters and
     committees.

     With respect to this weeks meeting we should focus on the website
     site map gap analysis, prioritizing the outstanding issues (whole
     sections of the website do not work yet), and complete the
     contract with Get Interactive in a timely fashion. I would not
     feel good about going back to the sub brand handling for a forth
     time. Several groups had a chance for direct 1 on 1 during the
     code sprint and we should move on to finishing this project.

     By the same token we are iterating on the choose-a-project
     graphics; while I was able to offer some clarifications during
     the code sprint I would really applicate some backup by someone
     with more cartographic & analsyis experience then me. In many
     senses I am just a developer and we need input from someone with
     more experience of our target audience than I can provided.

     --
     Jody Garnett

     On 27 August 2017 at 01:52, Steven Feldman <shfeldman@gmail.com
     <mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com>> wrote:

         We have just invested in a professionally developed corporate
         identity, logo and guidelines. I disagree with Cameron
         (doesn't happen often) on allowing a high degree of
         flexibility in the user of the logo and interpretation of the
         guidelines.

         Let's try to follow the guidelines as closely as possible -
         use the logo as intended or continue with a project specific
         logo and have a small OSGeo logo separately, don't change the
         logo colours. Let's note any problems we encounter and review
         after a year

         Steven

         > On 26 Aug 2017, at 21:00, marketing-request@lists.osgeo.org
         <mailto:marketing-request@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
         >
         > Send Marketing mailing list submissions to
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         >
         > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
         specific
         > than "Re: Contents of Marketing digest..."
         >
         > Today's Topics:
         >
         > 1. Re: [Live-demo] osgeo live logo, and website presentation
         > (Cameron Shorter)
         >

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         >
         > Message: 1
         > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 04:03:56 +1000
         > From: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com
         <mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com>>
         > To: Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com
         <mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com>>, Jody Garnett
         > <jody.garnett@gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com>>
         > Cc: "live-demo@lists.osgeo.org
         <mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org>"
         <live-demo@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org>>,
         > "marketing@lists.osgeo.org
         <mailto:marketing@lists.osgeo.org>"
         <marketing@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:marketing@lists.osgeo.org>>
         > Subject: Re: [Marketing] [Live-demo] osgeo live logo,
         and website
         > presentation
         > Message-ID: <9783ae77-d3c3-9779-0e96-e821c92bbe93@gmail.com
         <mailto:9783ae77-d3c3-9779-0e96-e821c92bbe93@gmail.com>>
         > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
         >
         > Jody, others,
         >
         > Looking at the branding style guide, there is some
         ambiguity between the
         > goal of allowing sub-brands (which would involve being
         creative with how
         > the logo is used with other graphical concepts) and dos and
         don'ts which
         > state not changing the logo. I suggest Dos and Don'ts be
         suggestions and
         > goals rather than hard rules in order to enable people to
         be creative.
         > Eg: if a chapter wanted to use their country's flag colours
         within the
         > logo, I think that should be ok. It is in the designer's
         interest to try
         > and align with the core OSGeo-Logo, so they will likely do
         a good job of
         > making it obvious there are OSGeo roots.
         >
         > Eg: Spanish logo:
         >

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Capítulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante

<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Capítulo_Local_de_la_comunidad_hispanohablante&gt;

         >
         > For OSGeo-Live, I'm expecting we will want to work out a
         way to weave a
         > heart (or some other image aligned with "live") into the
         logo somehow.
         > We may want to retain the blue heart. That should be ok and
         up to us to
         > do a good job of deciding that.
         >
         > You might notice OSGeo-Live has broken the style guide by
         using the logo
         > in over another image in our screenshot:
         >
         > https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png
         <https://live.osgeo.org/_images/osgeolive_menu.png&gt;
         >
         > In previous releases we have used washed out versions of
         the logo, of
         > large, off-center parts of the logo. It was artistic and
         looked good,
         > and provided the link back to OSGeo. We should empower the
         creative
         > people in our community to be creative in that way.
         >
         > The guide is prescriptive about only being shown on a white
         background.
         > Again, that should be a recommendation rather than a rule.
         If I have a
         > presentation template with a light blue background, I
         should be able to
         > put a logo over the top, without needing to create a white
         square to put
         > under it. As a creator, I should be able to decide which
         looks best.
         >
         > Cheers, Cameron
         >
         >>
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     Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

     P+61 2 8099 9000 <tel:+61%202%208099%209000>, M+61 419 142 254
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