[Marketing] [Live-demo] Proposal: OSGeo home page to link to OSGeo-Live Project Overviews

I've dropped the OSGeo-Discuss from the CC (I don't think people are commenting from that list), and adding the OSGeo Marketing committee list (as it seems the Web Committee is Missing In Action).

OSGeo Marketing Committee members,
Can you please weigh in on whether you think it a good idea for project links from http://osgeo.org should point to OSGeo-Live project overviews. Vote +/- 1 would be good.

Hamish,
Regarding your question about OSGeo projects which are not on OSGeo-Live:
At the moment, all OSGeo graduated projects have a Project Overview page on OSGeo-Live. And I expect that we are likely to always have OSGeo-Live Project Overviews for graduated projects as the OSGeo Incubation process now includes a requirement to "Create marketing material such as for OSGeo-Live".

There is currently one OSGeo project in incubation, the OGC's CITE Test Engine, which doesn't yet have an OSGeo Live Project Overview.
My suggestion is that OSGeo graduated and incubating projects should reference the OSGeo Live Project Overview if it exists, otherwise point at the project's home page until the Project Overview is created and made visible.

Hamish,
Re "Which overviews are out of date":
I agree that the old overviews are probably reasonably close, but I expect they will not include recent features. Looking at the OSGeo Mapserver page, it states: "Supports popular Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC) standards including WMS, WFS and WCS"
While the OSGeo-Live page, includes support for a few more recent OGC standards: "WMS (client/server), non-transactional WFS (client/server), WMC, WCS, Filter Encoding, SLD, GML, SOS, OM"

I haven't looked at other overviews, but I expect to find similar deficiencies.

On 4/04/2013 2:45 PM, Hamish wrote:

Hi all,

Cameron wrote:

OSGeo Web Committee,
Currently, there are a list of OSGeo projects at http://osgeo.org,
most of which link to an
  OSGeo page describing the project (eg http://www.osgeo.org/deegree). Unfortunately, these
OSGeo Project pages are not being maintained.

I propose that instead the list should link to the OSGeo
Live Project Overviews, such as: http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/deegree_overview.html

I don't feel strongly one way or the other about it, just
to note that in the past months I've been pointing to the
live.osgeo.org overview pages when mentioning a project to
someone, in the same way that one might link to wikipedia
when describing some thing or another. I think the live dvd
overview pages fill that role quite nicely, and as Cameron
mentioned they're kept reasonably up to date.

maybe some apache server alias magic could cleanse the url
strings to make it look like you are still at
  http://www.osgeo.org/$\{project\}\_overview\.html,
if anyone cares about that?

fwiw looking at http://www.osgeo.org/grass, I don't see much
there that would go out of date very quickly or is calling
out to be replaced by the live disc's overview page.
Maybe other pages are lacking. Care to name names so we can
fix them?

how do you propose to deal with osgeo projects which are not
on the live disc for some reason or another? (and that list
of installed packages changes with time)

These Project Overviews are updated every 6 months as part
of the OSGeo-Live build process, and are written in a
consistent manner, with OSGeo branding.

Note: A secondary option could be to link to the Project's
home page instead. I suggest that links to OSGeo-Live
Project Overviews are preferable due to the consistent
layout of the Project Overviews.

either way, I'd stay with linking to a consistent summary page
rather than the home pages directly, when the purpose of the
link is to describe the project. (instead of say when the
purpose is to download the software binaries in as few clicks
as possible)

best,
Hamish

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I had intended to reply to Hamish - but I will follow the discussion here.

Re “Which overviews are out of date”:

The GeoTools description is terribly out of date neither of the two renderers described exist anymore, the project is no longer associated with GeoAPI and has changed its focus from only implementing OGC standards.

The more recent descriptions (and on osgeo-live) are much improved.

All,

Should the Overviews each have a ”last edited” date attached to them (that can be seen in the overview)? Might be easier to update things between versions of Live DVDs.

Bobb

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I had intended to reply to Hamish - but I will follow the discussion here.

Re “Which overviews are out of date”:

The GeoTools description is terribly out of date neither of the two renderers described exist anymore, the project is no longer associated with GeoAPI and has changed its focus from only implementing OGC standards.

The more recent descriptions (and on osgeo-live) are much improved.

Bob, we ensure that ALL OSGeo-Live project overviews are up to date at the time of each OSGeo-Live release. We track this by keeping track of the latest version of software and docs via our spreadsheets and extracted svn versions.

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On 5/04/2013 1:34 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:

Should the Overviews each have a ”last edited” date attached to them (that can be seen in the overview)? Might be easier to update things between versions of Live DVDs.

-- 
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
[http://www.lisasoft.com](http://www.lisasoft.com)

Cameron,

I was thinking more along the lines of a for information item, that showed the last edit of the particular overview. Very similar to a version of overview I guess. Based on the conversation here, it sounded like a version could be used on more than one LiveDVD, without being changed between the versions. So the user would know that they are looking at an older version.

I suppose the review process could be considered a version of sorts, but unless the reviewer is actually a part of the project, it seems like it might be good to know when the last edit was made from a party inside of the project circle.

Bobb

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Subject: Re: [Marketing] [Live-demo] Proposal: OSGeo home page to link to OSGeo-Live Project Overviews

On 5/04/2013 1:34 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:

Should the Overviews each have a ”last edited” date attached to them (that can be seen in the overview)? Might be easier to update things between versions of Live DVDs.

Bob, we ensure that ALL OSGeo-Live project overviews are up to date at the time of each OSGeo-Live release.
We track this by keeping track of the latest version of software and docs via our spreadsheets and extracted svn versions.

-- 
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
[http://www.lisasoft.com](http://www.lisasoft.com)