[Marketing] Marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 4

+1 to the new name

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 09:32:43 +0200
From: Free <yjacolin@free.fr>
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Cc: OSGeo Marketing <marketing@lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [Marketing] [OSGeo-Discuss] Marketing meeting to finalise
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Hello,

I agree with this new name, look much better.

Y.
Le jeudi 7 juin 2012 19:00:34 nicolas bozon a ?crit :

+1 Nick

2012/6/7 Jo Cook <jocook@astuntechnology.com>

Hi Cameron,

Sorry I couldn't make the meeting- I'm happy with the change of name, so
+1 from Jo on OSGeo Advocate as a name for this new role

Jo

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Cameron Shorter <

cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

Minutes of this meeting are here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Meeting_2012-06-04#Minutes

Consensus was that the role should be created as outlined [1], with a
change of title from "OSGeo Ambassador" to "OSGeo Advocate", as
"Ambassador" implies that the OSGeo board has assigned the role to
someone
after a selection process (which is not the case for this volunteer
role).

Voting will remain open for the next 48 hours if people who couldn't make
the meeting wish to vote.

+1 Cameron Shorter to accept the "OSGeo Advocate" role.

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador

On 30/05/2012 6:59 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

I've set up a meeting next week to discuss then finalise the setting of
an OSGeo Ambassador role. Hope to see many of you at the meeting, or if
you
can't make it, please share your thoughts (and vote?) on email before
hand.

Location: irc://irc.freenode.net/#osgeo
Time:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month
=6&day=4&hour=20&min=30&sec=0&p1=264&p2=240&p3=215&p4=179&p5=224>>
Location Local time

Wellington <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=264&gt; (New

Zealand) Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 8:30:00 AM

Sydney <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=240&gt;
(Australia

- New South Wales) Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 6:30:00 AM

Rome <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=215&gt; (Italy)
Monday,>>
4 June 2012 at 10:30:00 PM

New York <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179&gt;
(U.S.A.

- New York) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 4:30:00 PM

San Francisco <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=224&gt;
(U.S.A.>>
- California) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 1:30:00 PM

The current proposal is here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador

This topic has been discussed by many of you on discuss, marketing and
board email lists. Here is a summary of comments, along with my
suggestions:

1. There has emerged to be two roles which people have been categorising
under the title of "OSGeo Ambassador"
a. Someone knowledgeable in OSGeo, who can speak at conferences and the
like. This is what we are focusing on for this definition of the role.
b. Someone who can negotiate MOU and similar on behalf of the OSGeo
board. This is proposed to be treated separately, with the OSGeo Board
delegated to someone they see fit to do the job, on a case-by-case basis.

2. There has been concern (from FrankW?) about defining a role which is
exclusive and prevents people from just stepping up an volunteering. This
is addressed by letting anyone who believes they have OSGeo experience
and
thinks them self worthy can step forward and volunteer.

3. There has been concern (from Arnulf?) that our categorisation is too
complicated. (We are proposing Board Members, Charter Members, Voted
Positions, Community Members). I believe that we do need some way to
define
OSGeo experience, because that is one of the key criteria that conference
organisors look for when selecting speakers and key notes. We can
potentially de-emphasise the categorisation by moving it into the
"Description" field rather than making a heading out of it.

--
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Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
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Sourcehttp://www.lisasoft.com

--
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Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 08:44:49 -0400
From: Daniel Morissette <dmorissette@mapgears.com>
To: marketing@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of
   an OSGeo Ambassador role
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+1 from an observer (and thanks for the name change)

Daniel

On 12-06-07 7:53 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Minutes of this meeting are here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Meeting_2012-06-04#Minutes

Consensus was that the role should be created as outlined [1], with a
change of title from "OSGeo Ambassador" to "OSGeo Advocate", as
"Ambassador" implies that the OSGeo board has assigned the role to
someone after a selection process (which is not the case for this
volunteer role).

Voting will remain open for the next 48 hours if people who couldn't
make the meeting wish to vote.

+1 Cameron Shorter to accept the "OSGeo Advocate" role.

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador

On 30/05/2012 6:59 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

I've set up a meeting next week to discuss then finalise the setting
of an OSGeo Ambassador role. Hope to see many of you at the meeting,
or if you can't make it, please share your thoughts (and vote?) on
email before hand.

Location: irc://irc.freenode.net/#osgeo
Time:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month=6&day=4&hour=20&min=30&sec=0&p1=264&p2=240&p3=215&p4=179&p5=224

Location Local time
   
Wellington <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=264&gt;
(New Zealand) Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 8:30:00 AM
   
Sydney <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=240&gt;
(Australia - New South Wales) Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 6:30:00 AM
   
Rome <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=215&gt; (Italy)
Monday, 4 June 2012 at 10:30:00 PM
   
New York <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179&gt;
(U.S.A. - New York) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 4:30:00 PM
   
San Francisco <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=224&gt;
(U.S.A. - California) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 1:30:00 PM
   
The current proposal is here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador

This topic has been discussed by many of you on discuss, marketing and
board email lists. Here is a summary of comments, along with my
suggestions:

1. There has emerged to be two roles which people have been
categorising under the title of "OSGeo Ambassador"
a. Someone knowledgeable in OSGeo, who can speak at conferences and
the like. This is what we are focusing on for this definition of the role.
b. Someone who can negotiate MOU and similar on behalf of the OSGeo
board. This is proposed to be treated separately, with the OSGeo Board
delegated to someone they see fit to do the job, on a case-by-case basis.

2. There has been concern (from FrankW?) about defining a role which
is exclusive and prevents people from just stepping up an
volunteering. This is addressed by letting anyone who believes they
have OSGeo experience and thinks them self worthy can step forward and
volunteer.

3. There has been concern (from Arnulf?) that our categorisation is
too complicated. (We are proposing Board Members, Charter Members,
Voted Positions, Community Members). I believe that we do need some
way to define OSGeo experience, because that is one of the key
criteria that conference organisors look for when selecting speakers
and key notes. We can potentially de-emphasise the categorisation by
moving it into the "Description" field rather than making a heading
out of it.

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

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Apologies I was unable to attend the meeting.

-0 from me.

I've read the logs and am not convinced this change makes sense. As Danniel noted the term advocate doesn't really provide the prestige we're looking for, we are all advocates.
My impression of the discussion on IRC is that the email exchanges have been largely ignored and have not been part of the meeting discussion. I think it needs more thought before we decide on the name.
Cheers,
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Op 8 jun. 2012 om 21:48 heeft Daniele <daniele.ocu@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

+1 to the new name

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    of an OSGeo Ambassador role (Free)
2. Re: Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo
    Ambassador role (Daniel Morissette)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 09:32:43 +0200
From: Free <yjacolin@free.fr>
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Cc: OSGeo Marketing <marketing@lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [Marketing] [OSGeo-Discuss] Marketing meeting to finalise
  definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello,

I agree with this new name, look much better.

Y.
Le jeudi 7 juin 2012 19:00:34 nicolas bozon a ?crit :

+1 Nick

2012/6/7 Jo Cook <jocook@astuntechnology.com>

Hi Cameron,

Sorry I couldn't make the meeting- I'm happy with the change of name, so
+1 from Jo on OSGeo Advocate as a name for this new role

Jo

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Cameron Shorter <

cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:

Minutes of this meeting are here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Meeting_2012-06-04#Minutes

Consensus was that the role should be created as outlined [1], with a
change of title from "OSGeo Ambassador" to "OSGeo Advocate", as
"Ambassador" implies that the OSGeo board has assigned the role to
someone
after a selection process (which is not the case for this volunteer
role).

Voting will remain open for the next 48 hours if people who couldn't make
the meeting wish to vote.

+1 Cameron Shorter to accept the "OSGeo Advocate" role.

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador

On 30/05/2012 6:59 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

I've set up a meeting next week to discuss then finalise the setting of
an OSGeo Ambassador role. Hope to see many of you at the meeting, or if
you
can't make it, please share your thoughts (and vote?) on email before
hand.

Location: irc://irc.freenode.net/#osgeo
Time:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month
=6&day=4&hour=20&min=30&sec=0&p1=264&p2=240&p3=215&p4=179&p5=224>>
Location Local time

Wellington <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=264&gt; (New

Zealand) Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 8:30:00 AM

Sydney <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=240&gt;
(Australia

- New South Wales) Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 6:30:00 AM

Rome <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=215&gt; (Italy)
Monday,>>
4 June 2012 at 10:30:00 PM

New York <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179&gt;
(U.S.A.

- New York) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 4:30:00 PM

San Francisco <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=224&gt;
(U.S.A.>>
- California) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 1:30:00 PM

The current proposal is here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador

This topic has been discussed by many of you on discuss, marketing and
board email lists. Here is a summary of comments, along with my
suggestions:

1. There has emerged to be two roles which people have been categorising
under the title of "OSGeo Ambassador"
a. Someone knowledgeable in OSGeo, who can speak at conferences and the
like. This is what we are focusing on for this definition of the role.
b. Someone who can negotiate MOU and similar on behalf of the OSGeo
board. This is proposed to be treated separately, with the OSGeo Board
delegated to someone they see fit to do the job, on a case-by-case basis.

2. There has been concern (from FrankW?) about defining a role which is
exclusive and prevents people from just stepping up an volunteering. This
is addressed by letting anyone who believes they have OSGeo experience
and
thinks them self worthy can step forward and volunteer.

3. There has been concern (from Arnulf?) that our categorisation is too
complicated. (We are proposing Board Members, Charter Members, Voted
Positions, Community Members). I believe that we do need some way to
define
OSGeo experience, because that is one of the key criteria that conference
organisors look for when selecting speakers and key notes. We can
potentially de-emphasise the categorisation by moving it into the
"Description" field rather than making a heading out of it.

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open
Sourcehttp://www.lisasoft.com

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open
Sourcehttp://www.lisasoft.com

_______________________________________________
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Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18
7RL, UK
t:+44 750 095 8167
iShare - Data integration and publishing
platform<http://www.isharemaps.com/&gt;

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 08:44:49 -0400
From: Daniel Morissette <dmorissette@mapgears.com>
To: marketing@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of
  an OSGeo Ambassador role
Message-ID: <4FD1F3C1.6000501@mapgears.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

+1 from an observer (and thanks for the name change)

Daniel

On 12-06-07 7:53 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Minutes of this meeting are here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Meeting_2012-06-04#Minutes

Consensus was that the role should be created as outlined [1], with a
change of title from "OSGeo Ambassador" to "OSGeo Advocate", as
"Ambassador" implies that the OSGeo board has assigned the role to
someone after a selection process (which is not the case for this
volunteer role).

Voting will remain open for the next 48 hours if people who couldn't
make the meeting wish to vote.

+1 Cameron Shorter to accept the "OSGeo Advocate" role.

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador

On 30/05/2012 6:59 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

I've set up a meeting next week to discuss then finalise the setting
of an OSGeo Ambassador role. Hope to see many of you at the meeting,
or if you can't make it, please share your thoughts (and vote?) on
email before hand.

Location: irc://irc.freenode.net/#osgeo
Time:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month=6&day=4&hour=20&min=30&sec=0&p1=264&p2=240&p3=215&p4=179&p5=224

Location Local time

Wellington <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=264&gt;
(New Zealand) Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 8:30:00 AM

Sydney <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=240&gt;
(Australia - New South Wales) Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 6:30:00 AM

Rome <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=215&gt; (Italy)
Monday, 4 June 2012 at 10:30:00 PM

New York <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179&gt;
(U.S.A. - New York) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 4:30:00 PM

San Francisco <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=224&gt;
(U.S.A. - California) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 1:30:00 PM

The current proposal is here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador

This topic has been discussed by many of you on discuss, marketing and
board email lists. Here is a summary of comments, along with my
suggestions:

1. There has emerged to be two roles which people have been
categorising under the title of "OSGeo Ambassador"
a. Someone knowledgeable in OSGeo, who can speak at conferences and
the like. This is what we are focusing on for this definition of the role.
b. Someone who can negotiate MOU and similar on behalf of the OSGeo
board. This is proposed to be treated separately, with the OSGeo Board
delegated to someone they see fit to do the job, on a case-by-case basis.

2. There has been concern (from FrankW?) about defining a role which
is exclusive and prevents people from just stepping up an
volunteering. This is addressed by letting anyone who believes they
have OSGeo experience and thinks them self worthy can step forward and
volunteer.

3. There has been concern (from Arnulf?) that our categorisation is
too complicated. (We are proposing Board Members, Charter Members,
Voted Positions, Community Members). I believe that we do need some
way to define OSGeo experience, because that is one of the key
criteria that conference organisors look for when selecting speakers
and key notes. We can potentially de-emphasise the categorisation by
moving it into the "Description" field rather than making a heading
out of it.

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

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Provider of Professional MapServer Support since 2000

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On 2012/06/09 16:46, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Apologies I was unable to attend the meeting.

-0 from me.

-0 from me too. To me member of OSGeo (charter or otherwise)
is an OSGeo advocate.

Venka

I've read the logs and am not convinced this change makes sense. As Danniel noted the term advocate doesn't really provide the prestige we're looking for, we are all advocates.
My impression of the discussion on IRC is that the email exchanges have been largely ignored and have not been part of the meeting discussion. I think it needs more thought before we decide on the name.
Cheers,
Jeroen

Jeroen, Venkatesh,
If you wish to see a different title, then please suggest one, otherwise please don’t block the motion unless you feel strongly that we should remove the role altogether. So far, I haven’t heard anyone suggest a better title.
This is what has been debated so far:

  • “OSGeo Ambassador” - Implies someone who is a selected by the board, rather the reality of a self appointed volunteer; concern this might have legal ramifications for OSGeo.
  • “OSGeo Speakers Bureau” - limiting the role to speaking and not very prestigious
  • “Authoritative OSGeo Personalities” - a bit long and informal
  • “OSGeo Advocate” - this was the final term decided upon
···
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Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

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Hi Cameron,
I’m not blocking the motion, that would require a -1. I’m just giving a signal that I think the role is needed and should have an appropriate title which adds value to OSGeo from a marketing perspective. I doubt that Advocate does justice to that, also considering that all CM’s are advocates to OSGeo by default. The term Ambassador has my preference honestly.
It would have my preference if that role was indeed filled upon invitation. A majority (is that indeed so !?) is in favor of a more community driven, personal subscription process for such role. I’m happy to support that if that is the decision. And I see at that point no problem in giving them the name Ambassador. Our democratic process at that point kind of gives self proclaimed Ambassadors the chance to wear the title on OSGeo’s behalf.
Shouldn’t we first vote on the way we select our ambassadors? Are they self proclaimed or are they proposed by the board (or marketing committee, some other committee)?
If that is clear, we can define the details of the profile (there has been stuff written up already, that may need some changes depending on how ambassadors are identified). And we can define the best name for the profile.
The most important is that we have an ambassadors program that really adds value to OSGeo and does not duplicate or degrades CM’s
My 2 cents
Jeroen

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Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
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Jeroen,
While I also have a mild preference for the term of “Ambassador” over “Advocate”, I’m very mindful that we have talked around this issue for a long time without any action. I think it important that we wrap this up so we can move onto other OSGeo opportunities.

So far, I don’t believe we have had any major objection to allowing OSGeo members to self register themselves, so that Conferences and the like can find authoritative speakers. So unless I see a strong backlash of opinion, I’m going to push ahead of the next couple of weeks to make it happen.

A few more comments inline below…

Hi Cameron,
I’m not blocking the motion, that would require a -1.

Noted, thanks.

I’m just giving a signal that I think the role is needed and should have an appropriate title which adds value to OSGeo from a marketing perspective. I doubt that Advocate does justice to that, also considering that all CM’s are advocates to OSGeo by default. The term Ambassador has my preference honestly.

Agreed, but better to have Advocates than be blocked completely.

It would have my preference if that role was indeed filled upon invitation. A majority (is that indeed so !?) is in favor of a more community driven, personal subscription process for such role. I’m happy to support that if that is the decision. And I see at that point no problem in giving them the name Ambassador. Our democratic process at that point kind of gives self proclaimed Ambassadors the chance to wear the title on OSGeo’s behalf.

Shouldn’t we first vote on the way we select our ambassadors?

The process proposed is for self nomination.
This has been up for discussion for a month or so without strong dissent (that I noticed). Also floated in the IRC meeting without dissent.

Are they self proclaimed or are they proposed by the board (or marketing committee, some other committee)?

Self proclaimed, as per: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Process_for_becoming_an_OSGeo_Advocate

If that is clear, we can define the details of the profile (there has been stuff written up already, that may need some changes depending on how ambassadors are identified). And we can define the best name for the profile.
The most important is that we have an ambassadors program that really adds value to OSGeo and does not duplicate or degrades CM’s

I see the “OSGeo Advocate Register” as an advertising space, primarily for Charter Members, but which can be used by others as well.
I don’t see it as a way to duplicate the role of the Charter Member, but rather to enhance it.

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Thanks Cameron,
Your feedback is appreciated and I encourage you to proceed.

I just read the minutes of the last board meeting stating that the board has a need for an Ambassador type of role besides the Advocate role as discussed here. So we could maybe start that discussion after establishing the Advocate role. See one before last point in the Notes section of the board meeting http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2012-06-07

Cheers,
Jeroen

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