[Marketing] motion: marketing committee chair

jive · April 29, 2016, 5:20pm

To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair
MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman’s offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

···

–
Jody Garnett

Cameron_Shorter · April 30, 2016, 11:19am

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

- MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

- MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

+1 Cameron

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P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099

nicolas_bozon · May 12, 2016, 6:09am

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

- MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

- MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this role - and
nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by
the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure
that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first 'upgrade'
memberships and hopefully get a descent 'quorum' anytime.

Best,

Nick

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jive · May 12, 2016, 7:10am

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:

Cameron Shorter, Chair
Alex Mandel
Arnulf Christl
Jeroen Ticheler
Jo Cook
Nicolas Bozon
Peter Batty
Daniele Nascimento

···

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> wrote:

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–
Jody Garnett

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman’s offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first ‘upgrade’ memberships and hopefully get a descent ‘quorum’ anytime.

Best,

Nick

Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

ticheler · May 12, 2016, 7:19am

Hi all,
I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can’t give it the attention it needs.

···

Cheers, Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit http://geocat.net for details.
_________________________Jeroen Ticheler
GeoCat bv
Veenderweg 13
6721 WD Bennekom
Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572
http://geocat.net

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:

Cameron Shorter, Chair

Alex Mandel

Arnulf Christl

Jeroen Ticheler

Jo Cook

Nicolas Bozon

Peter Batty

Daniele Nascimento

–
Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> wrote:

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman’s offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first ‘upgrade’ memberships and hopefully get a descent ‘quorum’ anytime.

Best,

Nick

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http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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Marc_VLOEMANS · May 12, 2016, 8:05am

Thanks Venka,

This exercise and discussion (other thread) is actually cleaning up the list post hoc. Which is a preferable and elegant way of doing so.

However, without any remit to do so I am not touching the memberlist with a barge pole out of fear of becoming the Benevolent Marketing Dictator.

Marc

···

2016-05-12 9:50 GMT+02:00 Venkatesh Raghavan <raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>:

Ms. Daniele Nascimento (my former student) is
also presently inactive in the Marketing Committee.
The Committee member list at [1] needs to be updated.

Venka

[[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee](http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee)

On 2016/05/12 16:19, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi all,
I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can't give it the attention it needs. 
Cheers, Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit [http://geocat.net](http://geocat.net) for details. 
_________________________
Jeroen Ticheler
GeoCat bv
Veenderweg 13
6721 WD Bennekom
Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572
[http://geocat.net](http://geocat.net)

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett [<jody.garnett@gmail.com>](mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com) het volgende geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:
Cameron Shorter, Chair
Alex Mandel
Arnulf Christl
Jeroen Ticheler
Jo Cook
Nicolas Bozon
Peter Batty
Daniele Nascimento

--
Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon [<nicolas.bozon@gmail.com>](mailto:nicolas.bozon@gmail.com) wrote:

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

- MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

- MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members. 
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first 'upgrade' memberships  and hopefully get a descent 'quorum' anytime.

Best,

Nick

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
[Marketing@lists.osgeo.org](mailto:Marketing@lists.osgeo.org)
[http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing](http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing)

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Marc_VLOEMANS · May 12, 2016, 8:27am

Nicolas et al

I realise that some in the committe may not know me, so for those a bulleted resume cum history:

in the days Frank Warmerdam served on the board I had a discussion on how OSGeo missed out by the way its marketing was done. Somehow, I did not get any traction and left it.
during the time Bart van der Eijnden served as Board member I again proposed to the Board (asked by and communicated via Bart) to work on proper strategic marketing. The reply we got was not quite what we expected, though.
this year I felt first hand as member of the LOC FOSS4G2016 in Bonn that the LOC is reinventing the marketing wheel and thus spending too much personal time. We cannot depend on any marketing help from OSGeo (and a shabby mailinglist of 20+k is hilariously small, considering the world wide impact our projects have), so Jody roped me in (he would make a great fisherman!).
Please be aware that the present committee has been dormant for 2 years, judging from (the lack of) mailinglist, wiki and website activity

So why did I step up to the plate? While I:

cannot code and will not ever learn how to, but are in awe of those that can explain ‘stuff’ to me
have no employer or business (anymore) benefitting from OSGeo work
have not worked on OSGeo-projects otherwise
am often frustrated to have next to no peers to talk to when it comes to what community marketing is/can be (e.g. not only PR)

Well, because (in no particular order):

open source in general has been my stamping ground for 15 odd years
I grew into this community and the community grew on me
it overlaps some of and faciliates my LOC Bonn involvement
my earlier business and employer had overlapping activities with OSGeo
I consider some as very good friends, who I can support in turn for their help in the past/present/future
I feel my more business related skills and experience complement the abundance of technical abilities in the community
it is a culture where I feel comfortable in (while remaining critical at the same time

However, I ask:

the committee, the Board and the community at large to either contribute structurally (e.g. to the concept marketing proposal in the wiki-marketing-discussion)
Or show faith me in my skills and experience and provide additonal feed-back, insights, experiences or just moral support whenever someone feels obliged to
and act upon the findings and to-do’s

And to be a little bit Dutch:

past & present inertia has raised the issue of irrelevance
no effective strategy and marketing is scattering the scarce resources we have
if there were more people from the business side of open spatial involved I welcome them full heartedly
following procedures etc is all well and good, but it hamstrings in many situations, so transparancy is what really counts

So bottom line:

I am getting impatient as time is moving fast
I am getting exasperated as I am
I am getting frustrated with lask of progress
I am getting fed up with raising the dead

If:

I have to wait on the present Marketing committee (or what’s left of it)
I have to wait on a new committee (I do not exactly see people fighting to get in)
if I have to wait on getting things done (I cannot imagine software development depending on quora’s etc)

In order to:

scratch my own itch
be part of the solution instead of the problem
get things moving forward

Then I rather pass and move on.
Well, so much for my pitch for the White House

(Sorry to see you leave Jeroen, but I know you have already too many things on your hands

Regards, Marc

···

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2016-05-12 9:19 GMT+02:00 Jeroen Ticheler <jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net>:

Hi all,
I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can’t give it the attention it needs.
Cheers, Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit http://geocat.net for details.
_________________________Jeroen Ticheler
GeoCat bv
Veenderweg 13
6721 WD Bennekom
Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572
http://geocat.net

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:

Cameron Shorter, Chair

Alex Mandel

Arnulf Christl

Jeroen Ticheler

Jo Cook

Nicolas Bozon

Peter Batty

Daniele Nascimento

Board mailing list
Board@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board

Board mailing list
Board@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board

–
Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> wrote:

Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman’s offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first ‘upgrade’ memberships and hopefully get a descent ‘quorum’ anytime.

Best,

Nick

Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

Cannata_Massimiliano · May 12, 2016, 10:27am

Mark
Thanks for the resume.
Could you shorthly summarise what’s the marketing comm goals are and how it relate to the board?

Thanks

···

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2016-05-12 9:19 GMT+02:00 Jeroen Ticheler <jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net>:

Hi all,
I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can’t give it the attention it needs.
Cheers, Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit http://geocat.net for details.
_________________________Jeroen Ticheler
GeoCat bv
Veenderweg 13
6721 WD Bennekom
Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572
http://geocat.net

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:

Cameron Shorter, Chair

Alex Mandel

Arnulf Christl

Jeroen Ticheler

Jo Cook

Nicolas Bozon

Peter Batty

Daniele Nascimento

Board mailing list
Board@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board

Board mailing list
Board@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board

–
Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> wrote:

Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman’s offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first ‘upgrade’ memberships and hopefully get a descent ‘quorum’ anytime.

Best,

Nick

Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

Marc_VLOEMANS · May 12, 2016, 10:39am

Maxi

I happily refer to my discussion piece in the Marketing Wiki (feel free to dive into it).

The goals (and not only the communication side of things!) are not per se mine. They are based on the discussed items and results of the aforementioned piece, the input from the various stakeholders (committee members, projects etc) etc.

However, if there is not enough feed back from the community (incl the Board). I will propose some actions derived from some more subjective goals.

In either case I need explicit buy-in from the Board.

I am not in favour for quick fixes. Rather would I take a fundamental approach and first some baby steps than end-up burned out by lack of support and constructive community feed back.

···

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2016-05-12 9:19 GMT+02:00 Jeroen Ticheler jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net:

Hi all,
I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can’t give it the attention it needs.
Cheers, Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit http://geocat.net for details.
_________________________Jeroen Ticheler
GeoCat bv
Veenderweg 13
6721 WD Bennekom
Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572
http://geocat.net

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett jody.garnett@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:

Cameron Shorter, Chair

Alex Mandel

Arnulf Christl

Jeroen Ticheler

Jo Cook

Nicolas Bozon

Peter Batty

Daniele Nascimento

Board mailing list
Board@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board

Board mailing list
Board@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board

–
Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon nicolas.bozon@gmail.com wrote:

Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman’s offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first ‘upgrade’ memberships and hopefully get a descent ‘quorum’ anytime.

Best,

Nick

Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

Daniel_Morissette · May 12, 2016, 12:08pm

Hi Mark, All

Just a quick note to show moral support and that there are some silent members like myself who do care to have a strong and proactive marketing committee (I'm sure I'm not alone). This has been a missing piece of OSGeo for a long time. Yes, we have OSGeo-Live, it is an awesome initiative, it is a great marketing tool, but we need much more than that, and only people with marketing skills can help there. All this to say that I'm glad to see some marketing oriented people join the organization and I hope that your participation will encourage others to join.

Daniel

On 2016-05-12 4:27 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:

Nicolas et al

I realise that some in the committe may not know me, so for those a
bulleted resume cum history:

- in the days Frank Warmerdam served on the board I had a discussion on
how OSGeo missed out by the way its marketing was done. Somehow, I did
not get any traction and left it.
- during the time Bart van der Eijnden served as Board member I again
proposed to the Board (asked by and communicated via Bart) to work on
proper strategic marketing. The reply we got was not quite what we
expected, though.
- this year I felt first hand as member of the LOC FOSS4G2016 in Bonn
that the LOC is reinventing the marketing wheel and thus spending too
much personal time. We cannot depend on any marketing help from OSGeo
(and a shabby mailinglist of 20+k is hilariously small, considering the
world wide impact our projects have), so Jody roped me in (he would make
a great fisherman!).
- Please be aware that the present committee has been dormant for 2
years, judging from (the lack of) mailinglist, wiki and website activity

So why did I step up to the plate? While I:
- cannot code and will not ever learn how to, but are in awe of those
that can explain 'stuff' to me
- have no employer or business (anymore) benefitting from OSGeo work
- have not worked on OSGeo-projects otherwise
- am often frustrated to have next to no peers to talk to when it comes
to what community marketing is/can be (e.g. not only PR)

Well, because (in no particular order):
- open source in general has been my stamping ground for 15 odd years
- I grew into this community and the community grew on me
- it overlaps some of and faciliates my LOC Bonn involvement
- my earlier business and employer had overlapping activities with OSGeo
- I consider some as very good friends, who I can support in turn for
their help in the past/present/future
- I feel my more business related skills and experience complement the
abundance of technical abilities in the community
- it is a culture where I feel comfortable in (while remaining critical
at the same time

However, I ask:
- the committee, the Board and the community at large to either
contribute structurally (e.g. to the concept marketing proposal in the
wiki-marketing-discussion)
- Or show faith me in my skills and experience and provide additonal
feed-back, insights, experiences or just moral support whenever someone
feels obliged to
- and act upon the findings and to-do's

And to be a little bit Dutch:
- past & present inertia has raised the issue of irrelevance
- no effective strategy and marketing is scattering the scarce resources
we have
- if there were more people from the business side of open spatial
involved I welcome them full heartedly
- following procedures etc is all well and good, but it hamstrings in
many situations, so transparancy is what really counts

So bottom line:
- I am getting impatient as time is moving fast
- I am getting exasperated as I am
- I am getting frustrated with lask of progress
- I am getting fed up with raising the dead

If:
- I have to wait on the present Marketing committee (or what's left of it)
- I have to wait on a new committee (I do not exactly see people
fighting to get in)
- if I have to wait on getting things done (I cannot imagine software
development depending on quora's etc)

In order to:
- scratch my own itch
- be part of the solution instead of the problem
- get things moving forward

Then I rather pass and move on.
Well, so much for my pitch for the White House

(Sorry to see you leave Jeroen, but I know you have already too many
things on your hands

Regards, Marc

Mobile +31(0)651 844262
LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans
Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans
http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans

2016-05-12 9:19 GMT+02:00 Jeroen Ticheler <jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net
<mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net>>:

    Hi all,
    I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can't
    give it the attention it needs.
    Cheers, Jeroen

    GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and
    metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit
    http://geocat.net for details.
    _________________________
    Jeroen Ticheler
    GeoCat bv
    Veenderweg 13
    6721 WD Bennekom
    Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572 <tel:%2B31%20%280%296%2081286572>
    http://geocat.net

    Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com
    <mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:

    I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website
    does not reflect this - the wiki
    <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee> lists the
    following members:

      * Cameron Shorter, Chair
      * Alex Mandel
      * Arnulf Christl
      * Jeroen Ticheler
      * Jo Cook
      * Nicolas Bozon
      * Peter Batty
      * Daniele Nascimento

    --
    Jody Garnett

    On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com
    <mailto:nicolas.bozon@gmail.com>> wrote:

            On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

                To keep up with current events I would like to make
                two motions:

                - MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as
                Marketting chair

        +1
        Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

                - MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this
                role - and nominate him for this position.

        -0
        While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am
        surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
        Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should
        first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
        I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first
        'upgrade' memberships and hopefully get a descent 'quorum'
        anytime.

        Best,

        Nick

            _______________________________________________
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            Marketing@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Marketing@lists.osgeo.org>
            http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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Eli_Adam · May 12, 2016, 4:14pm

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 5:08 AM, Daniel Morissette
<dmorissette@mapgears.com> wrote:

Hi Mark, All

Just a quick note to show moral support and that there are some silent
members like myself who do care to have a strong and proactive marketing
committee (I'm sure I'm not alone). This has been a missing piece of OSGeo
for a long time. Yes, we have OSGeo-Live, it is an awesome initiative, it is
a great marketing tool, but we need much more than that, and only people
with marketing skills can help there. All this to say that I'm glad to see
some marketing oriented people join the organization and I hope that your
participation will encourage others to join.

Daniel

+1 to what Daniel said. Happy to see people like Marc becoming
involved. Hopefully OSGeo is able to find a way to fit Marc in.

Best regards, Eli

On 2016-05-12 4:27 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:

Nicolas et al

I realise that some in the committe may not know me, so for those a
bulleted resume cum history:

- in the days Frank Warmerdam served on the board I had a discussion on
how OSGeo missed out by the way its marketing was done. Somehow, I did
not get any traction and left it.
- during the time Bart van der Eijnden served as Board member I again
proposed to the Board (asked by and communicated via Bart) to work on
proper strategic marketing. The reply we got was not quite what we
expected, though.
- this year I felt first hand as member of the LOC FOSS4G2016 in Bonn
that the LOC is reinventing the marketing wheel and thus spending too
much personal time. We cannot depend on any marketing help from OSGeo
(and a shabby mailinglist of 20+k is hilariously small, considering the
world wide impact our projects have), so Jody roped me in (he would make
a great fisherman!).
- Please be aware that the present committee has been dormant for 2
years, judging from (the lack of) mailinglist, wiki and website activity

So why did I step up to the plate? While I:
- cannot code and will not ever learn how to, but are in awe of those
that can explain 'stuff' to me
- have no employer or business (anymore) benefitting from OSGeo work
- have not worked on OSGeo-projects otherwise
- am often frustrated to have next to no peers to talk to when it comes
to what community marketing is/can be (e.g. not only PR)

Well, because (in no particular order):
- open source in general has been my stamping ground for 15 odd years
- I grew into this community and the community grew on me
- it overlaps some of and faciliates my LOC Bonn involvement
- my earlier business and employer had overlapping activities with OSGeo
- I consider some as very good friends, who I can support in turn for
their help in the past/present/future
- I feel my more business related skills and experience complement the
abundance of technical abilities in the community
- it is a culture where I feel comfortable in (while remaining critical
at the same time

However, I ask:
- the committee, the Board and the community at large to either
contribute structurally (e.g. to the concept marketing proposal in the
wiki-marketing-discussion)
- Or show faith me in my skills and experience and provide additonal
feed-back, insights, experiences or just moral support whenever someone
feels obliged to
- and act upon the findings and to-do's

And to be a little bit Dutch:
- past & present inertia has raised the issue of irrelevance
- no effective strategy and marketing is scattering the scarce resources
we have
- if there were more people from the business side of open spatial
involved I welcome them full heartedly
- following procedures etc is all well and good, but it hamstrings in
many situations, so transparancy is what really counts

So bottom line:
- I am getting impatient as time is moving fast
- I am getting exasperated as I am
- I am getting frustrated with lask of progress
- I am getting fed up with raising the dead

If:
- I have to wait on the present Marketing committee (or what's left of it)
- I have to wait on a new committee (I do not exactly see people
fighting to get in)
- if I have to wait on getting things done (I cannot imagine software
development depending on quora's etc)

In order to:
- scratch my own itch
- be part of the solution instead of the problem
- get things moving forward

Then I rather pass and move on.
Well, so much for my pitch for the White House

(Sorry to see you leave Jeroen, but I know you have already too many
things on your hands

Regards, Marc

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2016-05-12 9:19 GMT+02:00 Jeroen Ticheler <jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net
<mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net>>:

    Hi all,
    I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can't
    give it the attention it needs.
    Cheers, Jeroen

    GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and
    metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit
    http://geocat.net for details.
    _________________________
    Jeroen Ticheler
    GeoCat bv
    Veenderweg 13
    6721 WD Bennekom
    Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572 <tel:%2B31%20%280%296%2081286572>
    http://geocat.net

    Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com
    <mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:

    I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website
    does not reflect this - the wiki
    <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee> lists the
    following members:

      * Cameron Shorter, Chair
      * Alex Mandel
      * Arnulf Christl
      * Jeroen Ticheler
      * Jo Cook
      * Nicolas Bozon
      * Peter Batty
      * Daniele Nascimento

    --
    Jody Garnett

    On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com
    <mailto:nicolas.bozon@gmail.com>> wrote:

            On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

                To keep up with current events I would like to make
                two motions:

                - MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as
                Marketting chair

        +1
        Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

                - MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this
                role - and nominate him for this position.

        -0
        While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am
        surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
        Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should
        first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
        I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first
        'upgrade' memberships and hopefully get a descent 'quorum'
        anytime.

        Best,

        Nick

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Alex_M · May 12, 2016, 4:32pm

I think you're missing the historical way in which this works. Anyone
can join the Marketing committee and add themselves to the list of
members. Can't really recall the process for making people Voting
members on $ issues.

Most of the existing committee members are simply to busy now on other
parts of OSGeo. So by all means add new members. If you need some sort
of vote to get the new Chair in, sure we can do that.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: I'm mostly here to provide context on history now, these days I'm
mostly doing SAC work.

On 05/12/2016 01:05 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:

Thanks Venka,

This exercise and discussion (other thread) is actually cleaning up the
list post hoc. Which is a preferable and elegant way of doing so.

However, without any remit to do so I am not touching the memberlist with a
barge pole out of fear of becoming the Benevolent Marketing Dictator.

Marc

Kind regards,

Marc Vloemans

Mobile +31(0)651 844262
LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans
Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans
http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans

2016-05-12 9:50 GMT+02:00 Venkatesh Raghavan <raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
:

Ms. Daniele Nascimento (my former student) is
also presently inactive in the Marketing Committee.
The Committee member list at [1] needs to be updated.

Venka
[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee

On 2016/05/12 16:19, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi all,
I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can't give it the attention it needs.
Cheers, Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit http://geocat.net for details.
_________________________
Jeroen Ticheler
GeoCat bv
Veenderweg 13
6721 WD Bennekom
Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572http://geocat.net

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> <jody.garnett@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:
Cameron Shorter, Chair
Alex Mandel
Arnulf Christl
Jeroen Ticheler
Jo Cook
Nicolas Bozon
Peter Batty
Daniele Nascimento

--
Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> wrote:

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

- MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

- MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first 'upgrade' memberships and hopefully get a descent 'quorum' anytime.

Best,

Nick

Marc_VLOEMANS · May 12, 2016, 6:02pm

Uh, a committee is not a mailing list IMHO, ever! It is a group of active participants with added value to each other. Not a passive special interest group. Everyone who brings something to the table is more than welcome.

The discussion regarding my involvement tends to go in circles (although I see it also as a positive and active interest in the marketing function), it leads to increased chaos which is IMHO leading us nowhere. Somebody is needed to act as committee chair, a central hub and address for funding requests and the like. And I 'happened' to be around

In any other organisation, I should (!) normally know what is the next step. Structure and processes without too much ambiguity. At the moment I am ping-ponging between various individuals for yes/no vote, yes/no structured marketing approach and yes/no commitment&support from Board (as a total) and Committee. No wonder the marketing function has deteriorated over the past years.

Luckily various individuals have expressed support via lists and direct messages. So I will take my cue and motivation from them. Jody's Mail for voting has taken way too long to be answered and the answers/comments generated in turn more questions. I refuse to explain myself to individuals any further in terms of experience and knowledge per individual email, please visit my LinkedIn profile or ask others in the community. It is becoming ridiculous and demotivating. And there is an end to my patience and politeness.

Therefor, I am going to do it my way, guys. My time, my priorities. And whoever joins in is very very very welcome! Whoever has advice has both my ears and attention. Whoever has constructive criticism is heard. Whoever spends time is a champ and deserves the stage. Whoever reaps the fruits of my and others' volunteer work is quite welcome to it.

But whoever is throwing sand in the machine, I don't have time for. I rather spend time on working towards a more professional approach of the marketing function, show others what it entails by doing it (like others have shown me what coding entailed) and be 'part of the solution, not the problem'.

Vriendelijke groet,
Marc Vloemans

Op 12 mei 2016 om 18:32 heeft Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> het volgende geschreven:

I think you're missing the historical way in which this works. Anyone
can join the Marketing committee and add themselves to the list of
members. Can't really recall the process for making people Voting
members on $ issues.

Most of the existing committee members are simply to busy now on other
parts of OSGeo. So by all means add new members. If you need some sort
of vote to get the new Chair in, sure we can do that.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: I'm mostly here to provide context on history now, these days I'm
mostly doing SAC work.

On 05/12/2016 01:05 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:
Thanks Venka,

This exercise and discussion (other thread) is actually cleaning up the
list post hoc. Which is a preferable and elegant way of doing so.

However, without any remit to do so I am not touching the memberlist with a
barge pole out of fear of becoming the Benevolent Marketing Dictator.

Marc

Kind regards,

Marc Vloemans

Mobile +31(0)651 844262
LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans
Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans
http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans

2016-05-12 9:50 GMT+02:00 Venkatesh Raghavan <raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
:

Ms. Daniele Nascimento (my former student) is
also presently inactive in the Marketing Committee.
The Committee member list at [1] needs to be updated.

Venka
[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee

On 2016/05/12 16:19, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi all,
I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can't give it the attention it needs.
Cheers, Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit http://geocat.net for details.
_________________________
Jeroen Ticheler
GeoCat bv
Veenderweg 13
6721 WD Bennekom
Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572http://geocat.net

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> <jody.garnett@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:
Cameron Shorter, Chair
Alex Mandel
Arnulf Christl
Jeroen Ticheler
Jo Cook
Nicolas Bozon
Peter Batty
Daniele Nascimento

--
Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> wrote:

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

- MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

- MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first 'upgrade' memberships and hopefully get a descent 'quorum' anytime.

Best,

Nick

Peter_Batty1 · May 12, 2016, 8:57pm

I am here, I missed Jody’s original email, as with others I am busy but remain interested in helping out on the marketing committee as I can. As others have noted, it has been dormant for a while. Marc I encourage you to take a lead on pushing OSGeo marketing forward as you see fit.

I vote +1 on Jody’s motions - thanks Cameron for all your efforts, and welcome Marc!

Cheers,
Peter.

···

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Marc Vloemans <marcvloemans1@gmail.com> wrote:

Uh, a committee is not a mailing list IMHO, ever! It is a group of active participants with added value to each other. Not a passive special interest group. Everyone who brings something to the table is more than welcome.

The discussion regarding my involvement tends to go in circles (although I see it also as a positive and active interest in the marketing function), it leads to increased chaos which is IMHO leading us nowhere. Somebody is needed to act as committee chair, a central hub and address for funding requests and the like. And I ‘happened’ to be around

In any other organisation, I should (!) normally know what is the next step. Structure and processes without too much ambiguity. At the moment I am ping-ponging between various individuals for yes/no vote, yes/no structured marketing approach and yes/no commitment&support from Board (as a total) and Committee. No wonder the marketing function has deteriorated over the past years.

Luckily various individuals have expressed support via lists and direct messages. So I will take my cue and motivation from them. Jody’s Mail for voting has taken way too long to be answered and the answers/comments generated in turn more questions. I refuse to explain myself to individuals any further in terms of experience and knowledge per individual email, please visit my LinkedIn profile or ask others in the community. It is becoming ridiculous and demotivating. And there is an end to my patience and politeness.

Therefor, I am going to do it my way, guys. My time, my priorities. And whoever joins in is very very very welcome! Whoever has advice has both my ears and attention. Whoever has constructive criticism is heard. Whoever spends time is a champ and deserves the stage. Whoever reaps the fruits of my and others’ volunteer work is quite welcome to it.

But whoever is throwing sand in the machine, I don’t have time for. I rather spend time on working towards a more professional approach of the marketing function, show others what it entails by doing it (like others have shown me what coding entailed) and be ‘part of the solution, not the problem’.

Vriendelijke groet,
Marc Vloemans

Op 12 mei 2016 om 18:32 heeft Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> het volgende geschreven:

I think you’re missing the historical way in which this works. Anyone
can join the Marketing committee and add themselves to the list of
members. Can’t really recall the process for making people Voting
members on $ issues.

Most of the existing committee members are simply to busy now on other
parts of OSGeo. So by all means add new members. If you need some sort
of vote to get the new Chair in, sure we can do that.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: I’m mostly here to provide context on history now, these days I’m
mostly doing SAC work.

On 05/12/2016 01:05 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:
Thanks Venka,

This exercise and discussion (other thread) is actually cleaning up the
list post hoc. Which is a preferable and elegant way of doing so.

However, without any remit to do so I am not touching the memberlist with a
barge pole out of fear of becoming the Benevolent Marketing Dictator.

Marc

Kind regards,

Marc Vloemans

Mobile +31(0)651 844262
LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans
Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans
http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans

2016-05-12 9:50 GMT+02:00 Venkatesh Raghavan <raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
:

Ms. Daniele Nascimento (my former student) is
also presently inactive in the Marketing Committee.
The Committee member list at [1] needs to be updated.

Venka
[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee>

On 2016/05/12 16:19, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi all,
I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can’t give it the attention it needs.
Cheers, Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit http://geocat.net for details.

Jeroen Ticheler
GeoCat bv
Veenderweg 13
6721 WD Bennekom
Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572http://geocat.net

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> <jody.garnett@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:
Cameron Shorter, Chair
Alex Mandel
Arnulf Christl
Jeroen Ticheler
Jo Cook
Nicolas Bozon
Peter Batty
Daniele Nascimento

–
Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> wrote:

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman’s offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first ‘upgrade’ memberships and hopefully get a descent ‘quorum’ anytime.

Best,

Nick

Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

Cameron_Shorter · May 13, 2016, 4:49am

Hi Marc, all,
A few disconnected thoughts from an old OSGeo hand:

* Nic, with regards to the Marketing committee, I feel the best way to attract members is for the marketing committee (Marc in this case) to start doing things, which in turn will attract opinions and interest. So lets not wait until a committee forms before electing a chair. Lets just get started.

* Marc, yes OSGeo convention is to vote on ideas. Usually the voting isn't needed, but it is useful on contentious issues.

* I don't care if Marc has credentials a mile long, or if he is a high school student. If he comes up with great ideas for OSGeo marketing, and is prepared to put in the effort to make it happen, then that is exactly want we want from our volunteers.

* OSGeo is a do-ocracy. I hold great respect for people who do stuff.

* OSGeo is performing at its best when we are supporting and encouraging of all the new ideas that keep flowing into OSGeo. The only catch is OSGeo has no access to push people to do things and almost zero budget to work with.

* OSGeo is best at "helping those that help themselves"

* People who "do smart and useful things" attract like minded people.

* For those looking for Marc's thoughts, he put them here: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:Marketing_Committee

* Marc, I can't remember if I pointed you to this before. It is my take of a SWOT analysis, with input from the board at the time: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Board_:_Board_Priorities_2013

Warm regards, Cameron

On 13/05/2016 6:57 AM, Peter Batty wrote:

I am here, I missed Jody's original email, as with others I am busy but remain interested in helping out on the marketing committee as I can. As others have noted, it has been dormant for a while. Marc I encourage you to take a lead on pushing OSGeo marketing forward as you see fit.

I vote +1 on Jody's motions - thanks Cameron for all your efforts, and welcome Marc!

Cheers,
    Peter.

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Marc Vloemans <marcvloemans1@gmail.com <mailto:marcvloemans1@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Uh, a committee is not a mailing list IMHO, ever! It is a group of
    active participants with added value to each other. Not a passive
    special interest group. Everyone who brings something to the table
    is more than welcome.

    The discussion regarding my involvement tends to go in circles
    (although I see it also as a positive and active interest in the
    marketing function), it leads to increased chaos which is IMHO
    leading us nowhere. Somebody is needed to act as committee chair,
    a central hub and address for funding requests and the like. And I
    'happened' to be around

    In any other organisation, I should (!) normally know what is the
    next step. Structure and processes without too much ambiguity. At
    the moment I am ping-ponging between various individuals for
    yes/no vote, yes/no structured marketing approach and yes/no
    commitment&support from Board (as a total) and Committee. No
    wonder the marketing function has deteriorated over the past years.

    Luckily various individuals have expressed support via lists and
    direct messages. So I will take my cue and motivation from them.
    Jody's Mail for voting has taken way too long to be answered and
    the answers/comments generated in turn more questions. I refuse to
    explain myself to individuals any further in terms of experience
    and knowledge per individual email, please visit my LinkedIn
    profile or ask others in the community. It is becoming ridiculous
    and demotivating. And there is an end to my patience and politeness.

    Therefor, I am going to do it my way, guys. My time, my
    priorities. And whoever joins in is very very very welcome!
    Whoever has advice has both my ears and attention. Whoever has
    constructive criticism is heard. Whoever spends time is a champ
    and deserves the stage. Whoever reaps the fruits of my and others'
    volunteer work is quite welcome to it.

    But whoever is throwing sand in the machine, I don't have time
    for. I rather spend time on working towards a more professional
    approach of the marketing function, show others what it entails by
    doing it (like others have shown me what coding entailed) and be
    'part of the solution, not the problem'.

    Vriendelijke groet,
    Marc Vloemans

    > Op 12 mei 2016 om 18:32 heeft Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com
    <mailto:tech_dev@wildintellect.com>> het volgende geschreven:
    >
    > I think you're missing the historical way in which this works.
    Anyone
    > can join the Marketing committee and add themselves to the list of
    > members. Can't really recall the process for making people Voting
    > members on $ issues.
    >
    > Most of the existing committee members are simply to busy now on
    other
    > parts of OSGeo. So by all means add new members. If you need
    some sort
    > of vote to get the new Chair in, sure we can do that.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Alex
    >
    > PS: I'm mostly here to provide context on history now, these
    days I'm
    > mostly doing SAC work.
    >
    >> On 05/12/2016 01:05 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:
    >> Thanks Venka,
    >>
    >> This exercise and discussion (other thread) is actually
    cleaning up the
    >> list post hoc. Which is a preferable and elegant way of doing so.
    >>
    >> However, without any remit to do so I am not touching the
    memberlist with a
    >> barge pole out of fear of becoming the Benevolent Marketing
    Dictator.
    >>
    >> Marc
    >>
    >> Kind regards,
    >>
    >> Marc Vloemans
    >>
    >> Mobile +31(0)651 844262 <tel:%2B31%280%29651%20844262>
    >> LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans
    >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans
    >> http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans
    >>
    >> 2016-05-12 9:50 GMT+02:00 Venkatesh Raghavan
    <raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp <mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>>
    >> :
    >>
    >>> Ms. Daniele Nascimento (my former student) is
    >>> also presently inactive in the Marketing Committee.
    >>> The Committee member list at [1] needs to be updated.
    >>>
    >>> Venka
    >>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee
    <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee>
    >>>
    >>> On 2016/05/12 16:19, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Hi all,
    >>> I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I
    can't give it the attention it needs.
    >>> Cheers, Jeroen
    >>>
    >>> GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and
    metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit
    http://geocat.net for details.
    >>> _________________________
    >>> Jeroen Ticheler
    >>> GeoCat bv
    >>> Veenderweg 13
    >>> 6721 WD Bennekom
    >>> Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572
    <tel:%2B31%20%280%296%2081286572>http://geocat.net
    >>>
    >>> Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett
    <jody.garnett@gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com>>
    <jody.garnett@gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com>> het
    volgende geschreven:
    >>>
    >>> I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the
    website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:
    >>> Cameron Shorter, Chair
    >>> Alex Mandel
    >>> Arnulf Christl
    >>> Jeroen Ticheler
    >>> Jo Cook
    >>> Nicolas Bozon
    >>> Peter Batty
    >>> Daniele Nascimento
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Jody Garnett
    >>>
    >>> On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon
    <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com <mailto:nicolas.bozon@gmail.com>>
    <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com <mailto:nicolas.bozon@gmail.com>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
    >>> To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:
    >>>
    >>> - MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as
    Marketting chair
    >>>
    >>> +1
    >>> Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair
    >>>
    >>> - MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this role -
    and nominate him for this position.
    >>>
    >>> -0
    >>> While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am
    surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
    >>> Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should
    first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
    >>> I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first
    'upgrade' memberships and hopefully get a descent 'quorum' anytime.
    >>>
    >>> Best,
    >>>
    >>> Nick
    >
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Alex_M · May 13, 2016, 5:37am

Seems I missed the original point of this thread.

Thanks Cameron for your service.

+1 to Marc as the new chair.

Thanks,
Alex

On 05/12/2016 11:02 AM, Marc Vloemans wrote:

Uh, a committee is not a mailing list IMHO, ever! It is a group of active participants with added value to each other. Not a passive special interest group. Everyone who brings something to the table is more than welcome.

The discussion regarding my involvement tends to go in circles (although I see it also as a positive and active interest in the marketing function), it leads to increased chaos which is IMHO leading us nowhere. Somebody is needed to act as committee chair, a central hub and address for funding requests and the like. And I 'happened' to be around

In any other organisation, I should (!) normally know what is the next step. Structure and processes without too much ambiguity. At the moment I am ping-ponging between various individuals for yes/no vote, yes/no structured marketing approach and yes/no commitment&support from Board (as a total) and Committee. No wonder the marketing function has deteriorated over the past years.

Luckily various individuals have expressed support via lists and direct messages. So I will take my cue and motivation from them. Jody's Mail for voting has taken way too long to be answered and the answers/comments generated in turn more questions. I refuse to explain myself to individuals any further in terms of experience and knowledge per individual email, please visit my LinkedIn profile or ask others in the community. It is becoming ridiculous and demotivating. And there is an end to my patience and politeness.

Therefor, I am going to do it my way, guys. My time, my priorities. And whoever joins in is very very very welcome! Whoever has advice has both my ears and attention. Whoever has constructive criticism is heard. Whoever spends time is a champ and deserves the stage. Whoever reaps the fruits of my and others' volunteer work is quite welcome to it.

But whoever is throwing sand in the machine, I don't have time for. I rather spend time on working towards a more professional approach of the marketing function, show others what it entails by doing it (like others have shown me what coding entailed) and be 'part of the solution, not the problem'.

Vriendelijke groet,
Marc Vloemans

Op 12 mei 2016 om 18:32 heeft Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> het volgende geschreven:

I think you're missing the historical way in which this works. Anyone
can join the Marketing committee and add themselves to the list of
members. Can't really recall the process for making people Voting
members on $ issues.

Most of the existing committee members are simply to busy now on other
parts of OSGeo. So by all means add new members. If you need some sort
of vote to get the new Chair in, sure we can do that.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: I'm mostly here to provide context on history now, these days I'm
mostly doing SAC work.

On 05/12/2016 01:05 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:
Thanks Venka,

This exercise and discussion (other thread) is actually cleaning up the
list post hoc. Which is a preferable and elegant way of doing so.

However, without any remit to do so I am not touching the memberlist with a
barge pole out of fear of becoming the Benevolent Marketing Dictator.

Marc

Kind regards,

Marc Vloemans

Mobile +31(0)651 844262
LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans
Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans
http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans

2016-05-12 9:50 GMT+02:00 Venkatesh Raghavan <raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
:

Ms. Daniele Nascimento (my former student) is
also presently inactive in the Marketing Committee.
The Committee member list at [1] needs to be updated.

Venka
[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee

On 2016/05/12 16:19, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi all,
I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can't give it the attention it needs.
Cheers, Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit http://geocat.net for details.
_________________________
Jeroen Ticheler
GeoCat bv
Veenderweg 13
6721 WD Bennekom
Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572http://geocat.net

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> <jody.garnett@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:
Cameron Shorter, Chair
Alex Mandel
Arnulf Christl
Jeroen Ticheler
Jo Cook
Nicolas Bozon
Peter Batty
Daniele Nascimento

--
Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> wrote:

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

- MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

- MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first 'upgrade' memberships and hopefully get a descent 'quorum' anytime.

Best,

Nick

Marc_VLOEMANS · May 13, 2016, 6:27am

Alex; Thanks for your trust! My apologies for using your particular mail as the moment to lay down my cards, it could have been anyone's mail.

Cameron; Thanks for succinct wrap up/explanation......'Me no native, me oft wordy'

Vriendelijke groet,
Marc Vloemans

Op 13 mei 2016 om 07:37 heeft Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> het volgende geschreven:

Seems I missed the original point of this thread.

Thanks Cameron for your service.

+1 to Marc as the new chair.

Thanks,
Alex

On 05/12/2016 11:02 AM, Marc Vloemans wrote:
Uh, a committee is not a mailing list IMHO, ever! It is a group of active participants with added value to each other. Not a passive special interest group. Everyone who brings something to the table is more than welcome.

The discussion regarding my involvement tends to go in circles (although I see it also as a positive and active interest in the marketing function), it leads to increased chaos which is IMHO leading us nowhere. Somebody is needed to act as committee chair, a central hub and address for funding requests and the like. And I 'happened' to be around

In any other organisation, I should (!) normally know what is the next step. Structure and processes without too much ambiguity. At the moment I am ping-ponging between various individuals for yes/no vote, yes/no structured marketing approach and yes/no commitment&support from Board (as a total) and Committee. No wonder the marketing function has deteriorated over the past years.

Luckily various individuals have expressed support via lists and direct messages. So I will take my cue and motivation from them. Jody's Mail for voting has taken way too long to be answered and the answers/comments generated in turn more questions. I refuse to explain myself to individuals any further in terms of experience and knowledge per individual email, please visit my LinkedIn profile or ask others in the community. It is becoming ridiculous and demotivating. And there is an end to my patience and politeness.

Therefor, I am going to do it my way, guys. My time, my priorities. And whoever joins in is very very very welcome! Whoever has advice has both my ears and attention. Whoever has constructive criticism is heard. Whoever spends time is a champ and deserves the stage. Whoever reaps the fruits of my and others' volunteer work is quite welcome to it.

But whoever is throwing sand in the machine, I don't have time for. I rather spend time on working towards a more professional approach of the marketing function, show others what it entails by doing it (like others have shown me what coding entailed) and be 'part of the solution, not the problem'.

Vriendelijke groet,
Marc Vloemans

Op 12 mei 2016 om 18:32 heeft Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> het volgende geschreven:

I think you're missing the historical way in which this works. Anyone
can join the Marketing committee and add themselves to the list of
members. Can't really recall the process for making people Voting
members on $ issues.

Most of the existing committee members are simply to busy now on other
parts of OSGeo. So by all means add new members. If you need some sort
of vote to get the new Chair in, sure we can do that.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: I'm mostly here to provide context on history now, these days I'm
mostly doing SAC work.

On 05/12/2016 01:05 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:
Thanks Venka,

This exercise and discussion (other thread) is actually cleaning up the
list post hoc. Which is a preferable and elegant way of doing so.

However, without any remit to do so I am not touching the memberlist with a
barge pole out of fear of becoming the Benevolent Marketing Dictator.

Marc

Kind regards,

Marc Vloemans

Mobile +31(0)651 844262
LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans
Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans
http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans

2016-05-12 9:50 GMT+02:00 Venkatesh Raghavan <raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
:

Ms. Daniele Nascimento (my former student) is
also presently inactive in the Marketing Committee.
The Committee member list at [1] needs to be updated.

Venka
[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee

On 2016/05/12 16:19, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi all,
I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I can't give it the attention it needs.
Cheers, Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork. Visit http://geocat.net for details.
_________________________
Jeroen Ticheler
GeoCat bv
Veenderweg 13
6721 WD Bennekom
Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572http://geocat.net

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> <jody.garnett@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:
Cameron Shorter, Chair
Alex Mandel
Arnulf Christl
Jeroen Ticheler
Jo Cook
Nicolas Bozon
Peter Batty
Daniele Nascimento

--
Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> wrote:

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:

- MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as Marketting chair

+1
Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair

- MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this role - and nominate him for this position.

-0
While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first 'upgrade' memberships and hopefully get a descent 'quorum' anytime.

Best,

Nick

Arnulf_Christl4 · May 17, 2016, 8:37pm

Haha, well said.

On 12.05.2016 20:02, Marc Vloemans wrote:

[...]

Therefor, I am going to do it my way, guys. My time, my priorities.
And whoever joins in is very very very welcome! Whoever has advice
has both my ears and attention. Whoever has constructive criticism
is heard. Whoever spends time is a champ and deserves the stage.
Whoever reaps the fruits of my and others' volunteer work is quite
welcome to it.

We call this the Do-ocrazy and it is how OSGeo came into existence and
functioned well for quite a few years. So please go ahead, it should
still work...

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Do-ocracy

[...]

Vriendelijke groet, Marc Vloemans

Have fun,
Arnulf

Op 12 mei 2016 om 18:32 heeft Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com>
het volgende geschreven:

I think you're missing the historical way in which this works.
Anyone can join the Marketing committee and add themselves to the
list of members. Can't really recall the process for making people
Voting members on $ issues.

Most of the existing committee members are simply to busy now on
other parts of OSGeo. So by all means add new members. If you need
some sort of vote to get the new Chair in, sure we can do that.

Thanks, Alex

PS: I'm mostly here to provide context on history now, these days
I'm mostly doing SAC work.

On 05/12/2016 01:05 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote: Thanks Venka,

This exercise and discussion (other thread) is actually cleaning
up the list post hoc. Which is a preferable and elegant way of
doing so.

However, without any remit to do so I am not touching the
memberlist with a barge pole out of fear of becoming the
Benevolent Marketing Dictator.

Marc

Kind regards,

Marc Vloemans

Mobile +31(0)651 844262 LinkedIn:
http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans Twitter:
http://twitter.com/marcvloemans
http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans

2016-05-12 9:50 GMT+02:00 Venkatesh Raghavan
<raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp> :

Ms. Daniele Nascimento (my former student) is also presently
inactive in the Marketing Committee. The Committee member list
at [1] needs to be updated.

Venka [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee
<http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee>

On 2016/05/12 16:19, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi all, I would like to also step back from the marketing
committee. I can't give it the attention it needs. Cheers,
Jeroen

GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and
metadata on GeoServer, MapServer, PostGIS and GeoNetwork.
Visit http://geocat.net for details. _________________________
Jeroen Ticheler GeoCat bv Veenderweg 13 6721 WD Bennekom Tel:
+31 (0)6 81286572http://geocat.net

Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett
<jody.garnett@gmail.com> <jody.garnett@gmail.com> het volgende
geschreven:

I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the
website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following
members: Cameron Shorter, Chair Alex Mandel Arnulf Christl
Jeroen Ticheler Jo Cook Nicolas Bozon Peter Batty Daniele
Nascimento

-- Jody Garnett

On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon
<nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> <nicolas.bozon@gmail.com> wrote:

On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote: To keep up with
current events I would like to make two motions:

- MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as
Marketting chair

+1 Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee
chair

- MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this role -
and nominate him for this position.

-0 While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am
surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should
first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO. I
suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first
'upgrade' memberships and hopefully get a descent 'quorum'
anytime.

Best,

Nick

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