[Marketing] scribus or inkscape

As per our contract Get Interactive is handing over templates for InDesign (this was a choice we made during the EOI process to get the most benefit out of working with a graphic designer, to have access to the files used).

Pim now seems to be caught up on creating icons and the style guide and Jeffrey Laust asked if he could assist us in the production of a template using an open source tool more accessible to our community.

Two options were used by our community:

EPS

  • Not a template format, good for interchange between systems, often text is present as outlines for portabilty.
    PDF

  • Not a template format, good for interchange between systems, take care on how PDF is produced to avoid font incompatibility between systems

SVG (1.0) or SVG (1.1)

  • Application: SVG: Using InkScape (open/free), Sketch (paid/commercial), Boxy SVG (free/commercial)

  • Differences in representation of text blocks between SVG 1.0 and SVG 1.1 produce incompatibilities between InkScape and web browsers.

  • Illustration file format widely supported

SLA (Scribus Document)

We need to make a decision if we are to be in position to accept this offer of help:

  • Luca you did all kinds of amazing things with SVG, eventually settling on editing it by hand rather than use InkScape (which argued with us over how to represent blocks of text). Before printing in Boston I often had to open up your SVG files and adjust the aspect ratio and screen elements using Sketch. Do you have any direction on what program to use?

  • Anita you have the most experience with Scribus do you think it will meet our needs?

  • Astrid you are looking at translating into German as I understand it. Do you have any additional requirements to bring to the table that we should consider? What program are you comfortable with?

  • Personally I was able to get Scribus to work, but I do not like it. It was less difficult / more reliable then the SVG applications. The control of PDF export was appreciated. This is how I produced/fixed content for Boston, often starting from SVG file produced by project team. I personally found Sketch very productive and did much of the initial template experimenting using that application.

Q: Does this activity need to be shared with the discuss email list?

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Jody Garnett

* Personally I was able to get Scribus to work, but I do not like it. It

was less difficult / more reliable then the SVG applications. The control
of PDF export was appreciated. This is how I produced/fixed content for
Boston, often starting from SVG file produced by project team. I personally
found Sketch very productive and did much of the initial template
experimenting using that application.

​I haven't tried Sketch. I understand that it takes a bit getting used to
Scribus but in the end it is a proper publishing software that was designed
for use cases like ours.

I enjoyed sketch as productive, but also found Scribus more appropriate
(especially fine control of how fonts are handled during PDF export).

I would like to get confirmation from the others mentioned on this thread,
and ensure someone has time to interact with Pim before a decision is made.

Aside: I really liked your most recent pull request
<https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/pull/89&gt; it is looking great.

On 11 September 2017 at 21:04, Anita Graser <anitagraser@gmx.at> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com>
wrote:

* Anita you have the most experience with Scribus do you think it will
meet our needs?

In my opinion, Scribus is the best of the listed options. I wouldn't touch
manual SVG editing with a long stick ... (no offense).

+1, we should think to create a good sla osgeo document (in A4 and
letter size) with pc frame for images and later modify it for the
different project

Regards,
Anita

--
ciao
Luca

www.lucadelu.org

Luca / Anita do we have a good example to send Pim (who is new to Scribus)?

Currently I would send https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/marketing/print/qgis/qgis_letter.sla (and we still can work on an A4 example).

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On 11 September 2017 at 15:25, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11 September 2017 at 21:04, Anita Graser <anitagraser@gmx.at> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com>
wrote:

  • Anita you have the most experience with Scribus do you think it will
    meet our needs?

In my opinion, Scribus is the best of the listed options. I wouldn’t touch
manual SVG editing with a long stick … (no offense).

+1, we should think to create a good sla osgeo document (in A4 and
letter size) with pc frame for images and later modify it for the
different project

Regards,
Anita


ciao
Luca

www.lucadelu.org


Jody Garnett

On 12 September 2017 at 08:53, Anita Graser <anitagraser@gmx.at> wrote:

I've created an A4 version for the German QGIS flyer
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwc-5JFVTnfIMkVqTDlaRXpsenM
but have not had time to align all the (background) items in a pixel-perfect
way.

I have a problem to open your sla file because I have Scribus 1.4.6
and you probably 1.5.*. Is it a common problem of Scribus? Could you
save in a format supported also by previous version?

Regards,
Anita

--
ciao
Luca

www.lucadelu.org

Okay let’s tag Pim into this thread - hi Pim!

Following up on an action item from last week the email list is settling on scribus as a open source desktop publishing solution for production of information sheets and etc…
I was able to download a mac version of scribus to produce some of the handouts used in Boston (admittedly I did not have the laptop frame for screen shots which Anita has since applied).

We would appreciate your review of the and any assistance you have time to provide in the production of a sribus template: https://www.scribus.net/downloads/

There are a number of example files in GitHub to use as a starting point: https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/marketing/print

The main “print” folder holds the generated PDFs, the sub folders hold the source files.

One feedback I have is on the manual positioning of the small green triangles; do you think we can find a font representation of the triangle so we can use it as a bullet point style and avoid the manual positioning currently required?

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On 12 September 2017 at 00:13, Anita Graser <anitagraser@gmx.at> wrote:


Jody Garnett

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com> wrote:

On 12 September 2017 at 08:53, Anita Graser <anitagraser@gmx.at> wrote:

I’ve created an A4 version for the German QGIS flyer
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwc-5JFVTnfIMkVqTDlaRXpsenM
but have not had time to align all the (background) items in a pixel-perfect
way.

I have a problem to open your sla file because I have Scribus 1.4.6
and you probably 1.5.*. Is it a common problem of Scribus? Could you
save in a format supported also by previous version?

Sorry, I’d have to check that in the evening …

I also had to upgrade from 1.4 to 1.5 after my initial 1.4 document was edited by someone with 1.5 …

At least the upgrade is free :wink:

Regards,

Anita​

Hi all,

I’ll download Scribus and see what I can do!

In InDesign I use a font aswell to create the triangles as bulletpoints.

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2017-09-12 17:34 GMT+02:00 Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com>:

Okay let’s tag Pim into this thread - hi Pim!

Following up on an action item from last week the email list is settling on scribus as a open source desktop publishing solution for production of information sheets and etc…
I was able to download a mac version of scribus to produce some of the handouts used in Boston (admittedly I did not have the laptop frame for screen shots which Anita has since applied).

We would appreciate your review of the and any assistance you have time to provide in the production of a sribus template: https://www.scribus.net/downloads/

There are a number of example files in GitHub to use as a starting point: https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/marketing/print

The main “print” folder holds the generated PDFs, the sub folders hold the source files.

One feedback I have is on the manual positioning of the small green triangles; do you think we can find a font representation of the triangle so we can use it as a bullet point style and avoid the manual positioning currently required?

Met vriendelijke groet,
With regards,
Pim Tebbens

+31 (0)30 60 808 48
p.tebbens@getinteractive.nl
www.getinteractive.nl

Dorpsstraat 50, 3433 CM Nieuwegein

Op dit e-mailbericht zijn de Algemene voorwaarden van Get Interactive van toepassing.
Deze kunt u terug vinden op onze website http://www.getinteractive.nl/algemene-voorwaarden/.


Jody Garnett

On 12 September 2017 at 00:13, Anita Graser <anitagraser@gmx.at> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com> wrote:

On 12 September 2017 at 08:53, Anita Graser <anitagraser@gmx.at> wrote:

I’ve created an A4 version for the German QGIS flyer
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwc-5JFVTnfIMkVqTDlaRXpsenM
but have not had time to align all the (background) items in a pixel-perfect
way.

I have a problem to open your sla file because I have Scribus 1.4.6
and you probably 1.5.*. Is it a common problem of Scribus? Could you
save in a format supported also by previous version?

Sorry, I’d have to check that in the evening …

I also had to upgrade from 1.4 to 1.5 after my initial 1.4 document was edited by someone with 1.5 …

At least the upgrade is free :wink:

Regards,

Anita​

Pim I cannot remember how comfortable you are with github.

Here are links to the scribus files already in play (click on raw to download):qgis_letter.sla ← recommended

gdal_letter.sla

geomoose_letter.sla

geoserver_letter.sla

openlayers_letter.sla

And the svg files (if the text does not preview it is inkscape differences):
geonode_letter.svg

mapserver_letter.svg

pgRouting_letter.svg

postgis-flyer-letter.svg ← used wrong font sorry :frowning:

zoo-project_letter.svg ← especially creative

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On 12 September 2017 at 08:47, Pim Tebbens <p.tebbens@getinteractive.nl> wrote:

Hi all,

I’ll download Scribus and see what I can do!

In InDesign I use a font aswell to create the triangles as bulletpoints.


Jody Garnett

Met vriendelijke groet,
With regards,
Pim Tebbens

+31 (0)30 60 808 48
p.tebbens@getinteractive.nl
www.getinteractive.nl

Dorpsstraat 50, 3433 CM Nieuwegein

Op dit e-mailbericht zijn de Algemene voorwaarden van Get Interactive van toepassing.
Deze kunt u terug vinden op onze website http://www.getinteractive.nl/algemene-voorwaarden/.

2017-09-12 17:34 GMT+02:00 Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com>:

Okay let’s tag Pim into this thread - hi Pim!

Following up on an action item from last week the email list is settling on scribus as a open source desktop publishing solution for production of information sheets and etc…
I was able to download a mac version of scribus to produce some of the handouts used in Boston (admittedly I did not have the laptop frame for screen shots which Anita has since applied).

We would appreciate your review of the and any assistance you have time to provide in the production of a sribus template: https://www.scribus.net/downloads/

There are a number of example files in GitHub to use as a starting point: https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/marketing/print

The main “print” folder holds the generated PDFs, the sub folders hold the source files.

One feedback I have is on the manual positioning of the small green triangles; do you think we can find a font representation of the triangle so we can use it as a bullet point style and avoid the manual positioning currently required?


Jody Garnett

On 12 September 2017 at 00:13, Anita Graser <anitagraser@gmx.at> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Luca Delucchi <lucadeluge@gmail.com> wrote:

On 12 September 2017 at 08:53, Anita Graser <anitagraser@gmx.at> wrote:

I’ve created an A4 version for the German QGIS flyer
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwc-5JFVTnfIMkVqTDlaRXpsenM
but have not had time to align all the (background) items in a pixel-perfect
way.

I have a problem to open your sla file because I have Scribus 1.4.6
and you probably 1.5.*. Is it a common problem of Scribus? Could you
save in a format supported also by previous version?

Sorry, I’d have to check that in the evening …

I also had to upgrade from 1.4 to 1.5 after my initial 1.4 document was edited by someone with 1.5 …

At least the upgrade is free :wink:

Regards,

Anita​