My Where 2.0 thoughts (for tomorrow's VisCom mtg)

Although I was only there for Monday night and Tuesday, and although I
found the event as a whole not as fulfilling as the 2005 edition, the
show was clearly a resounding success for OSGeo. As I finally got
through my OSGeo mail this afternoon, I see most of my thoughts and
observations have already been covered, so I can be brief here.

Here's what I learned while on Booth Duty:

* People were asking questions of the form "I don't know anything about
all these packages, but I just need a system to do X, Y, and Z for me".
We need to have a canned set of case studies prepared -- real or
imagined -- which show how database A and server B and client C all work
together to do common workflows. Coupled with our pre-built binary
stacks, this would mae a compelling offering.

* People also often asked "Can you point me to someone who can set this
stuff up for me?" I often fell back to recommending Tyler's book, or
pointing to another Black Shirt nearby with specific expertise. But
what a few of these people really needed was a consultant's business
card. We've kicked around the idea of putting a list of OSGeo-friendly
businesses on the website -- I think we need to work that idea through
to conclusion.

* Along those lines, we need to prepare a Resource Room on the website
or something like that. The nascent VisCom library helps a bit; Tyler's
book and the two Hacks books help; a set of white papers and case
studies help; but I can't help but think we should be able to provide
something bundled up nicely. (Hey Tyler, can you write another book
maybe?)

* We need a "comparison chart" showing what the differences are between
the various OSGeo-friendly databases, servers, and clients out there.
Criteria include language, operating system, OGC compliance, etc, etc.
Note such a document is not to be used to show that X is better than Y,
but rather to help the user understand which ones best meet his or her
needs.

* We need OSGeo business cards. (This idea was kicked around, too.
Gotta make it happen.)

* I got more than one "how do I join?" question. The board is working
on the "membership classes" document, which is part of the issue here,
but we also could use a way to get people to register as members, live
and on-site on the show floor.

* We really need some newsletters. Both for the "general public", and
for our own existing membership (because not everyone follows the
discuss mailing list).

* We got a lot of press stopping by. I didn't expect that: we need to
anticipate and have a one page handout for the bloggers and podcasters.
Should contain the key messages we're getting across, interviewable
OSGeo attendees, etc. (Although admittedly we won't often get the
amount of attention we did at this event.)

* We got a lot of press coverage. For each such event, we should put a
spot on the Wiki or something for people to add links to stories
covering us. (Also, I'll second Tyler's idea for a blogroll or some
such.)

And, finally:

* I could have sold a lot of T-shirts at the booth. :slight_smile:

-mpg

dear mpg, thanks for the close observations!

On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 03:21:02PM -0700, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

* Along those lines, we need to prepare a Resource Room on the website
or something like that. The nascent VisCom library helps a bit; Tyler's
book and the two Hacks books help; a set of white papers and case
studies help; but I can't help but think we should be able to provide
something bundled up nicely. (Hey Tyler, can you write another book
maybe?)

:slight_smile: What became "Mapping Hacks" was originally pitched to ORA as more
of an "Open Source GIS Essentials". At the time the editorial staff
weren't sure about the GIS book market, and wanted to float a more
"power-user-friendly" (euphemism) book in their "Hacks" series.
Schuyler Rich and I dragged our feet for a long time while we figured
out *quite how much we didn't know* and hurriedly tried to learn it.
Then Tyler arrived in our reality and proceeded to kick our arses and
produce "Web Mapping Illustrated" 3 times as fast and much less
content-perishable.

ORA aren't really interested in revising MH, a good amount of which is
totally out of date now. Enough time has passed that "the book we
wanted it to be" starts to seem more interesting again. In the
meantime there have been at least one effort, maybe more to write a
collaborative open source GIS book online;
http://www.eogeo.org/Projects/projects_wiki/FreeGISBook
I think the platform here was wrong. But the core idea is great. But
having hardcopy is crucial, having the right production values,
otherwise it's Just Another Dodgy Wiki.

I fantasise about an "OSGeo Handbook" which is collectively produced
but with consistent editing, volunteer basis. CC licensed, and put it
through a no-advance, print-on-demand publishing outfit like hacker
friendly press, who did http://www.wndw.net/ , and the royalties go to
support OSGeo. (Actually my fantasies run to two companion volumes,
GeoRSS/WFS, and RSS/RDF/semweb, but you don't want to hear too much more
about my grandiose fantasies :wink: )

* We need a "comparison chart" showing what the differences are between
the various OSGeo-friendly databases, servers, and clients out there.
Criteria include language, operating system, OGC compliance, etc, etc.
Note such a document is not to be used to show that X is better than Y,
but rather to help the user understand which ones best meet his or her
needs.

Definitely, such a "so you've got these needs / platform constraints /
preferences and you want to get into open source" decision
tree/matrix on the osgeo website, it would be the singlest useful thing.

cheers,

jo

On 6/22/06, Jo Walsh <jo@frot.org> wrote:

dear mpg, thanks for the close observations!

thanks also from here!

On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 03:21:02PM -0700, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
> * Along those lines, we need to prepare a Resource Room on the website
> or something like that. The nascent VisCom library helps a bit; Tyler's
> book and the two Hacks books help; a set of white papers and case
> studies help; but I can't help but think we should be able to provide
> something bundled up nicely. (Hey Tyler, can you write another book
> maybe?)

... there are even more GFOSS books - see here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Library#GFOSS_Books
I have changed it to a template now for easy insertion into other
Wiki pages.

Unfortunately O'Reilly once rejected our GRASS book proposal, so it
became a Kluwer/Springer book... Probably we came too early in 2000 :slight_smile:
Next edition on the way for 2007.

Cheers
Markus

Hi again,

two more comments:

On 6/22/06, Michael P. Gerlek <mpg@lizardtech.com> wrote:
...

* People also often asked "Can you point me to someone who can set this
stuff up for me?" I often fell back to recommending Tyler's book, or
pointing to another Black Shirt nearby with specific expertise. But
what a few of these people really needed was a consultant's business
card. We've kicked around the idea of putting a list of OSGeo-friendly
businesses on the website -- I think we need to work that idea through
to conclusion.

Our project maintains a "commercial support" page:
http://grass.itc.it/community/commercial.php
Do you think of something like this? Or even a "come together" platform
where people could post requests and companies can join?
With that we would probably get too closely involved into commercial
activities.

...

* We really need some newsletters. Both for the "general public", and
for our own existing membership (because not everyone follows the
discuss mailing list).

Agreed. And there is still the offer to make the upcoming 4th Vol.
of the GRASS Newsletter the 1st volume of a new OSGeo
Newletter (http://grass.itc.it/newsletter/).

best
Markus

Markus Neteler wrote:

Hi again,

two more comments:

On 6/22/06, Michael P. Gerlek <mpg@lizardtech.com> wrote:
...

* People also often asked "Can you point me to someone who can set this
stuff up for me?" I often fell back to recommending Tyler's book, or
pointing to another Black Shirt nearby with specific expertise. But
what a few of these people really needed was a consultant's business
card. We've kicked around the idea of putting a list of OSGeo-friendly
businesses on the website -- I think we need to work that idea through
to conclusion.

Our project maintains a "commercial support" page:
http://grass.itc.it/community/commercial.php
Do you think of something like this? Or even a "come together" platform
where people could post requests and companies can join?
With that we would probably get too closely involved into commercial
activities.

We have something similar lingering in our Wiki for some time:
http://www.mapbender.org/index.php/GFOSS_Company_Directory

And for the same reasons don't really know what to do about it.

Regards, Arnulf.

...

* We really need some newsletters. Both for the "general public", and
for our own existing membership (because not everyone follows the
discuss mailing list).

Agreed. And there is still the offer to make the upcoming 4th Vol.
of the GRASS Newsletter the 1st volume of a new OSGeo
Newletter (http://grass.itc.it/newsletter/).

best
Markus

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On 22-Jun-06, at 1:17 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:

* We really need some newsletters. Both for the "general public", and
for our own existing membership (because not everyone follows the
discuss mailing list).

Agreed. And there is still the offer to make the upcoming 4th Vol.
of the GRASS Newsletter the 1st volume of a new OSGeo
Newletter (http://grass.itc.it/newsletter/).

I'll keep this on our Viscom agenda for the next meeting. What timing were you planning for to have the 4th vol. complete?

Tyler

On 6/22/06, Tyler Mitchell <tylermitchell@shaw.ca> wrote:

On 22-Jun-06, at 1:17 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:

>> * We really need some newsletters. Both for the "general public",
>> and
>> for our own existing membership (because not everyone follows the
>> discuss mailing list).
>
> Agreed. And there is still the offer to make the upcoming 4th Vol.
> of the GRASS Newsletter the 1st volume of a new OSGeo
> Newletter (http://grass.itc.it/newsletter/).

I'll keep this on our Viscom agenda for the next meeting. What
timing were you planning for to have the 4th vol. complete?

There are 4 articles now. I have put Martin (editor) in CC, in
case he has further comments.

Markus

On Friday 23 June 2006 16:30, Markus Neteler wrote:

On 6/22/06, Tyler Mitchell <tylermitchell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 22-Jun-06, at 1:17 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:
> >> * We really need some newsletters. Both for the "general public",
> >> and
> >> for our own existing membership (because not everyone follows the
> >> discuss mailing list).
> >
> > Agreed. And there is still the offer to make the upcoming 4th Vol.
> > of the GRASS Newsletter the 1st volume of a new OSGeo
> > Newletter (http://grass.itc.it/newsletter/).
>
> I'll keep this on our Viscom agenda for the next meeting. What
> timing were you planning for to have the 4th vol. complete?

There are 4 articles now. I have put Martin (editor) in CC, in
case he has further comments.

there is no real dead-line - I am waiting for another 2 articles which have
been announced (GRASS-GMT, how-to for the GRASS user world map (PostGIS,
MapServer, pmapper)) - but if there is interest in releasing an OSGeo
Newsletter, I would postpone it a bit and wait for other submissions (OSGeo,
other software packages).

Martin