All,
Seems we have enough to talk about and plan that I'd like to start
trying to do 30-60 minutes or less meeting 1-2 times a month (min. 1/month).
I've started a page to catalog the agenda. Will send out a poll for time
and dates later this week. Aiming to meet maybe next week, at least to
cover urgent topics.
Please add
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:May2016
Thanks,
Alex
On 05/02/2016 12:32 PM, Alex M wrote:
All,
Seems we have enough to talk about and plan that I'd like to start
trying to do 30-60 minutes or less meeting 1-2 times a month (min. 1/month).I've started a page to catalog the agenda. Will send out a poll for time
and dates later this week. Aiming to meet maybe next week, at least to
cover urgent topics.Please add
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:May2016Thanks,
Alex
Ok, here's a poll to try and find a time for the meeting. If none of
this is working, let me know and I can adjust the options.
http://doodle.com/poll/u54ap2m36p3qva9u
Thanks,
Alex
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 08:43:08AM -0700, Alex Mandel wrote:
On 05/02/2016 12:32 PM, Alex M wrote:
> All,
>
> Seems we have enough to talk about and plan that I'd like to start
> trying to do 30-60 minutes or less meeting 1-2 times a month (min. 1/month).
>
> I've started a page to catalog the agenda. Will send out a poll for time
> and dates later this week. Aiming to meet maybe next week, at least to
> cover urgent topics.
>
> Please add
> SAC Meeting 2017-05-20 - OSGeoOk, here's a poll to try and find a time for the meeting. If none of
this is working, let me know and I can adjust the options.
Thanks Alex, just in time: the OSGeo Board agreed with setting up
a T&M contract for continuous services maintainance, the OSGeo president
(Venkatesh Raghavan aka venka) will attend our meeting as the only officer
who can sign such contract, so I'd recommend to move that point as
early as possible in the schedule.
REF:
http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2016-05-12.log
(starting at 14:57:55)
--strk;
It's looking like Fridays at 16:00 UTC seems to be a good time for many.
It's a terrible time for AUS/NZ though.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20160520T1600
I'm realizing we won't be ready to meet tomorrow, so I'm proposing to
meet on May 20.
Please chime in on the Doodle if you haven't already.
http://doodle.com/poll/u54ap2m36p3qva9u
Thanks,
Alex
On 05/12/2016 08:43 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:
On 05/02/2016 12:32 PM, Alex M wrote:
All,
Seems we have enough to talk about and plan that I'd like to start
trying to do 30-60 minutes or less meeting 1-2 times a month (min. 1/month).I've started a page to catalog the agenda. Will send out a poll for time
and dates later this week. Aiming to meet maybe next week, at least to
cover urgent topics.Please add
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:May2016Thanks,
AlexOk, here's a poll to try and find a time for the meeting. If none of
this is working, let me know and I can adjust the options.http://doodle.com/poll/u54ap2m36p3qva9u
Thanks,
Alex
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 06:41:14PM -0700, Alex Mandel wrote:
It's looking like Fridays at 16:00 UTC seems to be a good time for many.
It's a terrible time for AUS/NZ though.
Event Time AnnouncerI'm realizing we won't be ready to meet tomorrow, so I'm proposing to
meet on May 20.
Why not ready today ?
It's the in par with May 20 in terms of partecipation.
You wanted to start periodic meetings anyway so we could
meet on the 20th in addition to today ?
Please chime in on the Doodle if you haven't already.
http://doodle.com/poll/u54ap2m36p3qva9u
--strk;
On 05/12/2016 10:22 PM, Sandro Santilli wrote:
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 06:41:14PM -0700, Alex Mandel wrote:
It's looking like Fridays at 16:00 UTC seems to be a good time for many.
It's a terrible time for AUS/NZ though.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20160520T1600I'm realizing we won't be ready to meet tomorrow, so I'm proposing to
meet on May 20.Why not ready today ?
It's the in par with May 20 in terms of partecipation.
You wanted to start periodic meetings anyway so we could
meet on the 20th in addition to today ?Please chime in on the Doodle if you haven't already.
http://doodle.com/poll/u54ap2m36p3qva9u--strk;
I'm not actually available today... something came up with work.
I'd also like this weekend to straighten out the agenda, and get all our
recent notes about budgets etc. up on the wiki.
In anticipation of the upcoming meeting, I see 2 major topics.
1. Handling the wiki Spam
2. Creating a system for soliciting and approving paid work on systems.
For #2 I would appreciate if people can brainstorm, and write down
options before the meeting. Just make a spot on the agenda page a put
down what you think is a viable method.
For instance should we be looking for an Emergency response retainer
(suggested by Jeff M. in the past), or rather to have things like
implementation of new features.
What should be the cap on amounts for these contracts?
How do we solicit bids?
If a SAC member submits, do we just have all other members vote?
How much of the total SAC budget should be for these kinds of contracts
vs other uses?
Hmm, maybe a list of questions to answer is the place to start.
Thanks,
Alex
On 13 May 2016 at 03:41, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:
It's looking like Fridays at 16:00 UTC seems to be a good time for many.
It's a terrible time for AUS/NZ though.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20160520T1600I'm realizing we won't be ready to meet tomorrow, so I'm proposing to
meet on May 20.
Good.
Friday's are unfortunate for me, but I might be available on the 20th.
Best regards,
--
Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 10:35:27PM -0700, Alex Mandel wrote:
In anticipation of the upcoming meeting, I see 2 major topics.
1. Handling the wiki Spam
2. Creating a system for soliciting and approving paid work on systems.
As Jody stated during the board meeting... "the house is on fire",
waiting another week doesn't really help.
For #2 I would appreciate if people can brainstorm, and write down
options before the meeting. Just make a spot on the agenda page a put
down what you think is a viable method.
I started a draft here:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:May2016#Funding_sysadmin_work
But I'm not sure the wiki is good for discussion
For instance should we be looking for an Emergency response retainer
(suggested by Jeff M. in the past), or rather to have things like
implementation of new features.
What should be the cap on amounts for these contracts?
How do we solicit bids?
If a SAC member submits, do we just have all other members vote?
How much of the total SAC budget should be for these kinds of contracts
vs other uses?
I think it is key to have a responsible figure to coordinate general
maintainance: document services, hardware and procedures;
organize volunteers; promptly respond to tickets and emergencies;
reasearch on improving the infrastructure.
This is not something that can be done only on emergencies, IMHO.
A contract for an amount of hours would give us the possibility to
see how it works out. We could make it limited in time, like 130 hours
to be spent in max 3 months (would allow for 10 hours per week).
The current SAC budget for 2016 could hardly buy those many hours
though, so if we want to go that route we'll probably need to ask for
more, or reduce the effort:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#Operational_Budget_for_2016
It will help to have a view on the past expenses.
Some commettees did publish their data in the past, but I could not
find any SAC-specific page among these ones:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:Budget
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:Finance
--strk;
On 13 May 2016 at 16:59, Sandro Santilli <strk@keybit.net> wrote:
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 10:35:27PM -0700, Alex Mandel wrote:
In anticipation of the upcoming meeting, I see 2 major topics.
1. Handling the wiki Spam
2. Creating a system for soliciting and approving paid work on systems.As Jody stated during the board meeting... "the house is on fire",
waiting another week doesn't really help.
It's been months...., one week is not that long.
For #2 I would appreciate if people can brainstorm, and write down
options before the meeting. Just make a spot on the agenda page a put
down what you think is a viable method.I started a draft here:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:May2016#Funding_sysadmin_work
But I'm not sure the wiki is good for discussion
strk> current budget seems to low to allow for a new contract, so I
think we should be asking for more
What actually is "too low"? How much it is now?
How much do you suggest to as for?
Roughly, a range is always better than description.
Best regards,
--
Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:33:33PM +0200, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> SAC Meeting 2017-05-20 - OSGeo
strk> current budget seems to low to allow for a new contract, so I
think we should be asking for moreWhat actually is "too low"? How much it is now?
How much do you suggest to as for?
Roughly, a range is always better than description.
I turned "too low" into a link to budget for 2016, which is slightly
less than 13K USD. If we had to only spend in sysadmin time it would
allow for ~1K USD month. That's ~885 EUR. How much sysadmin time can
that amount buy ? At the rate QGIS is currently offering to bugfixers
that'd make less than 10 hours per month. Is that enough to improve
the infrastructural situation ? I don't believe so.
--strk;
Just thought it might be worth noting, as one of the more recent paid OSGeo contractors, we ended up working from a bid amount for the specific task.
While we missed our estimate by quite a bit internally, that process provided OSGeo with some useful certainty around how much money was required to solve a particular problem.
Perhaps it’s worth applying a similar model here, at least when it comes to specific things? If nothing else, it also serves to demonstrate to the board where additional funding would be applied, specifically.
— Harrison
On May 14, 2016 3:15:10 AM GMT+09:00, Sandro Santilli strk@keybit.net wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:33:33PM +0200, Mateusz Loskot wrote: > > [https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:May2016#Funding_sysadmin_work](https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:May2016#Funding_sysadmin_work) > > > strk> current budget seems to low to allow for a new contract, so I > think we should be asking for more > > What actually is "too low"? How much it is now? > How much do you suggest to as for? > Roughly, a range is always better than description. I turned "too low" into a link to budget for 2016, which is slightly less than 13K USD. If we had to only spend in sysadmin time it would allow for ~1K USD month. That's ~885 EUR. How much sysadmin time can that amount buy ? At the rate QGIS is currently offering to bugfixers that'd make less than 10 hours per month. Is that enough to improve the infrastructural situation ? I don't believe so. --strk; --- Sac mailing list Sac@lists.osgeo.org [http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac](http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac)
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Time and Date is now set. Meeting will happen on IRC in #telascience
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2016&month=5&day=20&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=217&p2=37&p3=248&p4=914
Please add to the Agenda as necessary,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:May2016
The top priority issues will be:
Trac Spam, OSGeo LDAP (Spam defense in general)
Contracting Procedures and Proposal for contractable projects.
I'll have the past budget info up asap.
Thanks,
Alex
On 05/12/2016 08:43 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:
On 05/02/2016 12:32 PM, Alex M wrote:
All,
Seems we have enough to talk about and plan that I'd like to start
trying to do 30-60 minutes or less meeting 1-2 times a month (min. 1/month).I've started a page to catalog the agenda. Will send out a poll for time
and dates later this week. Aiming to meet maybe next week, at least to
cover urgent topics.Please add
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:May2016Thanks,
AlexOk, here's a poll to try and find a time for the meeting. If none of
this is working, let me know and I can adjust the options.http://doodle.com/poll/u54ap2m36p3qva9u
Thanks,
Alex
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 04:00:27PM -0700, Alex M wrote:
Time and Date is now set. Meeting will happen on IRC in #telascience
The World Clock Meeting Planner - Details
Thanks, forwarded to Venka, who is not subscribed to this list.
--strk;
On 18 May 2016 at 01:00, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:
Time and Date is now set. Meeting will happen on IRC in #telascience
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2016&month=5&day=20&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=217&p2=37&p3=248&p4=914Please add to the Agenda as necessary,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:May2016
Has the minutes report been published anywhere?
Best regards,
--
Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net