[SAC] Bounce action notification

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Victor,
thanks for contacting us. For now I suggest that you stick with your
gmail address. We currently experience issues with many hotmail accounts
but it seems to be a systemic issue on their side and nothing we can do
about on our end.

SAC,
does anybody have experience with getting our server unblocked - if that
is the problem (which I don't really think it is).

Best regards,
Arnulf

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fwd: Bounce action notification
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 00:11:46 +0100
From: Victor Ferreira <victor.mota.ferreira@gmail.com>
To: Arnulf Christl <arnulf@osgeo.org>

Hi Arnulf, could you help me with a list problem. The list server seems
to be blacklisted in hotmail.
I tried to send a warning to the "mailman" address but it refused my email.
Can you contact the admin of the servers of osgeo about the problem?
Cheers,
Victor

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ** <mailman-owner@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:mailman-owner@lists.osgeo.org>>
Date: Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:46 PM
Subject: Fwd: Bounce action notification
To: victor.mota.ferreira@gmail.com <mailto:victor.mota.ferreira@gmail.com>

You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
mailman-owner@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mailman-owner@lists.osgeo.org>.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Victor Ferreira <victor.mota.ferreira@gmail.com
<mailto:victor.mota.ferreira@gmail.com>>
To: mailman@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mailman@lists.osgeo.org>
Cc:
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:46:29 +0100
Subject: Fwd: Bounce action notification
Hello, i am one of the administrators of the portugal mailing list. It
seems the server used by the lists is blacklisted as spammer. Hotmail is
refusing messages for any of our list members with otmail address, and
the list is not getting to them.
Can you help please?
Victor

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ** <mailman@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mailman@lists.osgeo.org>>
Date: Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:38 AM
Subject: Bounce action notification
To: portugal-owner@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:portugal-owner@lists.osgeo.org>

This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:

    List: Portugal
    Member: rafael_reis@hotmail.com <mailto:rafael_reis@hotmail.com>
    Action: Subscription disabled.
    Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.

The triggering bounce notice is attached below.

Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
mailman@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mailman@lists.osgeo.org>.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: MAILER-DAEMON@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@lists.osgeo.org> (Mail Delivery System)
To: portugal-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:portugal-bounces@lists.osgeo.org>
Cc:
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:27:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
This is the mail system at host lists.osgeo.org <http://lists.osgeo.org>.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

                   The mail system

<bernardosemiao@hotmail.com <mailto:bernardosemiao@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550
    SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134
weren't
    sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
    problem is that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the
    following IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<bruno-araujo1985@hotmail.com <mailto:bruno-araujo1985@hotmail.com>>:
host mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550
    SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134
weren't
    sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
    problem is that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the
    following IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<catia_sgouveia@hotmail.com <mailto:catia_sgouveia@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550
    SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134
weren't
    sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
    problem is that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the
    following IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<diogo_xory15@hotmail.com <mailto:diogo_xory15@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550 SC-004
    (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't
sent. We
    recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
problem is
    that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the following IP
    address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<egipto_esfinge@hotmail.com <mailto:egipto_esfinge@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550
    SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134
weren't
    sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
    problem is that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the
    following IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<harlanrodrigo@hotmail.com <mailto:harlanrodrigo@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550
    SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134
weren't
    sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
    problem is that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the
    following IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<joana_gaspar@hotmail.com <mailto:joana_gaspar@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550 SC-004
    (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't
sent. We
    recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
problem is
    that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the following IP
    address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<luis.calisto@hotmail.com <mailto:luis.calisto@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550 SC-004
    (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't
sent. We
    recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
problem is
    that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the following IP
    address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<luis_rleitao@hotmail.com <mailto:luis_rleitao@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550 SC-004
    (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't
sent. We
    recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
problem is
    that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the following IP
    address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<mariofloripa@hotmail.com <mailto:mariofloripa@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550 SC-004
    (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't
sent. We
    recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
problem is
    that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the following IP
    address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<nuno_sousa_1984@hotmail.com <mailto:nuno_sousa_1984@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550
    SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134
weren't
    sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
    problem is that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the
    following IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<porquewhich@hotmail.com <mailto:porquewhich@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550 SC-004
    (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't
sent. We
    recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
problem is
    that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the following IP
    address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<rafael_reis@hotmail.com <mailto:rafael_reis@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550 SC-004
    (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't
sent. We
    recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
problem is
    that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the following IP
    address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

<tatianapara@hotmail.com <mailto:tatianapara@hotmail.com>>: host
mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>[65.55.92.152] said: 550 SC-004
    (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't
sent. We
    recommend that you contact your Internet service provider. The
problem is
    that too many unwanted messages have been sent from the following IP
    address above. You can also refer your provider to
    http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
    FROM command)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; bernardosemiao@hotmail.com
<mailto:bernardosemiao@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;bernardosemiao@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bbernardosemiao@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; bruno-araujo1985@hotmail.com
<mailto:bruno-araujo1985@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;bruno-araujo1985@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bbruno-araujo1985@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; catia_sgouveia@hotmail.com
<mailto:catia_sgouveia@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;catia_sgouveia@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bcatia_sgouveia@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; diogo_xory15@hotmail.com
<mailto:diogo_xory15@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;diogo_xory15@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bdiogo_xory15@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; egipto_esfinge@hotmail.com
<mailto:egipto_esfinge@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;egipto_esfinge@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Begipto_esfinge@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; harlanrodrigo@hotmail.com
<mailto:harlanrodrigo@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;harlanrodrigo@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bharlanrodrigo@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; joana_gaspar@hotmail.com
<mailto:joana_gaspar@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;joana_gaspar@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bjoana_gaspar@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; luis.calisto@hotmail.com
<mailto:luis.calisto@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;luis.calisto@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bluis.calisto@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; luis_rleitao@hotmail.com
<mailto:luis_rleitao@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;luis_rleitao@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bluis_rleitao@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; mariofloripa@hotmail.com
<mailto:mariofloripa@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;mariofloripa@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bmariofloripa@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; nuno_sousa_1984@hotmail.com
<mailto:nuno_sousa_1984@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;nuno_sousa_1984@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bnuno_sousa_1984@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; porquewhich@hotmail.com
<mailto:porquewhich@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;porquewhich@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Bporquewhich@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; rafael_reis@hotmail.com
<mailto:rafael_reis@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;rafael_reis@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Brafael_reis@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

Final-Recipient: rfc822; tatianapara@hotmail.com
<mailto:tatianapara@hotmail.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;tatianapara@hotmail.com
<mailto:rfc822%3Btatianapara@hotmail.com>
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx3.hotmail.com <http://mx3.hotmail.com>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 (SNT0-MC2-F23) Unfortunately, messages
from
    140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact your Internet
    service provider. The problem is that too many unwanted messages
have been
    sent from the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider
    to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Edgar Barreira <edgar.barreira@yahoo.com
<mailto:edgar.barreira@yahoo.com>>
To: OSGeo PT - The OSGeo Portugal Local Chapter
<portugal@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:portugal@lists.osgeo.org>>
Cc:
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:27:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Portugal] Ajuda com metadados (eventualmente INSPIRE)
Sim, os metadados do INSPIRE estão pensados para o mundo online, para
acompanhar o desenvolvimento de Serviços. Aqui a questão é: estás a
pensar preencher os metadados no QGis, a pensar num Serviço WMS, WFS ou
outro? Ou somente para fins "Desktop"?

EB

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*From:* Jonny_forest_GIS <joao.f.r.gaspar@gmail.com
<mailto:joao.f.r.gaspar@gmail.com>>
*To:* portugal@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:portugal@lists.osgeo.org>
*Sent:* Friday, September 6, 2013 3:06 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Portugal] Ajuda com metadados (eventualmente INSPIRE)

Boas,

a minha opinião, eu penso que esse tipo de informação para preencher seja
mais orientado no caso da construção de um websig. Por exemplo, criamos um
projecto no qgis com a informação geográfica e depois exportamos por exemplo
para o mapserver. Tendo essa informação preenchida, o utilizador que aceda
ao websig se quiser obter informação ou descarregar a informação geográfica
é reencaminhado para a fonte original dos dados.

Eu acho que para efeitos práticos no ambiente qgis não parece trazer
relevância para a descrição da shapefile.

Mas é apenas a minha opinião porque a pergunta é pertinente.

Cumprimentos,
João

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:27:58AM +0100, Arnulf Christl wrote:

SAC,
does anybody have experience with getting our server unblocked - if that
is the problem (which I don't really think it is).

I've filed a request for un-blocking and will let you know their
response.

Cheers,
  Martin.

Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !
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Too many Hotmail users marked incoming mail from "mail.osgeo.org" as
unsolicited (whatever "too many" means), that's why Hotmail decided to
block the entire host. I suspect there's little we can do about it.

Cheers,
  Martin.
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On 09/12/2013 12:40 PM, Martin Spott wrote:

Too many Hotmail users marked incoming mail from "mail.osgeo.org"
as unsolicited (whatever "too many" means), that's why Hotmail
decided to block the entire host. I suspect there's little we can
do about it.

Cheers, Martin.

Umm. Well, then we might indeed want to write an email to the 64 who
have so far been kicked out to at least let them know that they will
not receive mails through the lists anymore.

Unsure what to do.

Suggestions?

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On 09/12/2013 08:03 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:

On 09/12/2013 12:40 PM, Martin Spott wrote:

Too many Hotmail users marked incoming mail from "mail.osgeo.org"
as unsolicited (whatever "too many" means), that's why Hotmail
decided to block the entire host. I suspect there's little we can
do about it.

Cheers, Martin.

Umm. Well, then we might indeed want to write an email to the 64 who
have so far been kicked out to at least let them know that they will
not receive mails through the lists anymore.

Unsure what to do.

Suggestions?

A formal letter to hotmail explaining that we are a subscription based
opt in service, and in fact a real organization not created for the
purposes of spamming should suffice.

I'll note we are not alone in our issues with hotmail: "60 percent of
fake twitter accounts are via hotmail"
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/08/deciphering-the-tricks-of-the-twitter-spammers/

We probably should recommend to our users that hotmail is not a good
service to use as it's one of the most widely hacked and is subject to
randomly blocking all sorts of senders:
http://www.stopbouncing.com/articles/mail-bouncing-from-hotmail

Thanks,
Alex

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Thanks Alex,
I have a list of currently 64 hotmail accounts that have been
deactivated on our lists and can either mail them with a short
explanation from one of my private accounts (which should not be
blocked).

Let me know if you want me to do anything.

There is a sort of recommendation forming to not use hotmail accounts
with OSGeo lists. If you think we should publish this somewhere please
go ahead. It even might sense to add a link on the mailing list
registration template to our Wiki with current information of this
type. Then people can read it even before subscribing.

Cheers,
Arnulf

On 09/12/2013 05:53 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

On 09/12/2013 08:03 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:

On 09/12/2013 12:40 PM, Martin Spott wrote:

Too many Hotmail users marked incoming mail from
"mail.osgeo.org" as unsolicited (whatever "too many" means),
that's why Hotmail decided to block the entire host. I suspect
there's little we can do about it.

Cheers, Martin.

Umm. Well, then we might indeed want to write an email to the 64
who have so far been kicked out to at least let them know that
they will not receive mails through the lists anymore.

Unsure what to do.

Suggestions?

A formal letter to hotmail explaining that we are a subscription
based opt in service, and in fact a real organization not created
for the purposes of spamming should suffice.

I'll note we are not alone in our issues with hotmail: "60 percent
of fake twitter accounts are via hotmail"
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/08/deciphering-the-tricks-of-the-twitter-spammers/

We probably should recommend to our users that hotmail is not a
good service to use as it's one of the most widely hacked and is
subject to randomly blocking all sorts of senders:
http://www.stopbouncing.com/articles/mail-bouncing-from-hotmail

Thanks, Alex _______________________________________________ Sac
mailing list Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

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Arnulf wrote:

There is a sort of recommendation forming to not use hotmail accounts

with OSGeo lists. If you think we should publish this somewhere please
go ahead. It even might sense to add a link on the mailing list
registration template to our Wiki with current information of this
type. Then people can read it even before subscribing.

it may be the case that hotmail disproportionately concentrates some
users who would be more likely to click on a "this is spam" button
to get rid of an email vs. finding the "click here to unsubscribe"
link at the bottom of the email. By diluting those users out to
other email systems, the other email systems may in turn be more
likely to ban our domain. i.e. the problem is perhaps not hotmail
and their technical policies.

what we don't know is how close we've come to being flagged by the
other gmail/yahoo/gmx/.. major providers due to user supplied false
positives, and so what their respective capacities to absorb more are.

no easy answers and not making blanket statements about everyone who
ever used a hotmail account, just something to think about.

regards,
Hamish

8

Alex:

A formal letter to hotmail explaining that we are a subscription based
opt in service, and in fact a real organization not created for the
purposes of spamming should suffice.

It probably wouldn't hurt to name the approximate number of
subscribers to all our lists in that, and that some percentage
of those subscribers are likely to click the wrong button from
time to time, creating a cumulative effect.

regards,
Hamish

9

On 09/13/2013 02:31 AM, Hamish wrote:

Arnulf wrote:

There is a sort of recommendation forming to not use hotmail accounts

with OSGeo lists. If you think we should publish this somewhere please
go ahead. It even might sense to add a link on the mailing list
registration template to our Wiki with current information of this
type. Then people can read it even before subscribing.

it may be the case that hotmail disproportionately concentrates some
users who would be more likely to click on a "this is spam" button
to get rid of an email vs. finding the "click here to unsubscribe"
link at the bottom of the email. By diluting those users out to
other email systems, the other email systems may in turn be more
likely to ban our domain. i.e. the problem is perhaps not hotmail
and their technical policies.

what we don't know is how close we've come to being flagged by the
other gmail/yahoo/gmx/.. major providers due to user supplied false
positives, and so what their respective capacities to absorb more are.

no easy answers and not making blanket statements about everyone who
ever used a hotmail account, just something to think about.

regards,
Hamish

So yes cumulative reputation on hotmail matters significantly.
http://www.rackaid.com/resources/hotmail-blacklist-removal/

I also found where to submit to have MSN review and un-blacklist us.
https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

I don't know all the answers they want. If people could help me come up
with all the answers I'm happy to file the issue.

Thanks,
Alex

10

Alan has helped confirm the blacklist:
<aboudreault> Sep 8 06:34:11 mail postfix/smtp[16407]: 8FE548375:
to=<simbaha2.runezone@outlook.com>,
relay=mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.188.94]:25, delay=0.7,
delays=0.07/0.01/0.58/0.03, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mx3
<aboudreault> .hotmail.com[65.54.188.94] said: 550 SC-004 (BAY0-MC2-F18)
Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend
that you contact your Internet service provider. The problem is that too
<aboudreault> many unwanted messages have been sent from the following
IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
FROM command))
<aboudreault> Code 550 SC-004: Emails rejected by Outlook for policy
reasons. A block has been placed against your IP address because we have
received complaints concerning emails coming from that IP address. We
recommend enrolling in our Junk Email Reporting Programme (JMRP), a free
programme intended to help senders remove unwanted recipients from their
email list. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your
Email/Internet Service

from /var/log/mail.log.1

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/17/2013 12:05 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

On 09/13/2013 02:31 AM, Hamish wrote:

Arnulf wrote:

There is a sort of recommendation forming to not use hotmail accounts

with OSGeo lists. If you think we should publish this somewhere please
go ahead. It even might sense to add a link on the mailing list
registration template to our Wiki with current information of this
type. Then people can read it even before subscribing.

it may be the case that hotmail disproportionately concentrates some
users who would be more likely to click on a "this is spam" button
to get rid of an email vs. finding the "click here to unsubscribe"
link at the bottom of the email. By diluting those users out to
other email systems, the other email systems may in turn be more
likely to ban our domain. i.e. the problem is perhaps not hotmail
and their technical policies.

what we don't know is how close we've come to being flagged by the
other gmail/yahoo/gmx/.. major providers due to user supplied false
positives, and so what their respective capacities to absorb more are.

no easy answers and not making blanket statements about everyone who
ever used a hotmail account, just something to think about.

regards,
Hamish

So yes cumulative reputation on hotmail matters significantly.
http://www.rackaid.com/resources/hotmail-blacklist-removal/

I also found where to submit to have MSN review and un-blacklist us.
https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

I don't know all the answers they want. If people could help me come up
with all the answers I'm happy to file the issue.

Thanks,
Alex

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

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Well that confirms why the mail is stopped, but doesn’t give much indication of what to do about it. The Outlook “Services for Senders and ISPs” page, http://mail.live.com/mail/services.aspx#Section1, has possibilities. I’ve no idea which is the most appropriate route for us. Has anyone already started sussing them out already?

-matt

···

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

Alan has helped confirm the blacklist:
Sep 8 06:34:11 mail postfix/smtp[16407]: 8FE548375:
to=<simbaha2.runezone@outlook.com>,
relay=mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.188.94]:25, delay=0.7,
delays=0.07/0.01/0.58/0.03, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mx3
.hotmail.com[65.54.188.94] said: 550 SC-004 (BAY0-MC2-F18)

Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren’t sent. We recommend
that you contact your Internet service provider. The problem is that too

many unwanted messages have been sent from the following

IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL

FROM command))
Code 550 SC-004: Emails rejected by Outlook for policy
reasons. A block has been placed against your IP address because we have
received complaints concerning emails coming from that IP address. We
recommend enrolling in our Junk Email Reporting Programme (JMRP), a free
programme intended to help senders remove unwanted recipients from their
email list. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your
Email/Internet Service

from /var/log/mail.log.1

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/17/2013 12:05 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

On 09/13/2013 02:31 AM, Hamish wrote:

Arnulf wrote:

There is a sort of recommendation forming to not use hotmail accounts

with OSGeo lists. If you think we should publish this somewhere please
go ahead. It even might sense to add a link on the mailing list
registration template to our Wiki with current information of this
type. Then people can read it even before subscribing.

it may be the case that hotmail disproportionately concentrates some
users who would be more likely to click on a “this is spam” button
to get rid of an email vs. finding the “click here to unsubscribe”
link at the bottom of the email. By diluting those users out to
other email systems, the other email systems may in turn be more
likely to ban our domain. i.e. the problem is perhaps not hotmail
and their technical policies.

what we don’t know is how close we’ve come to being flagged by the
other gmail/yahoo/gmx/… major providers due to user supplied false
positives, and so what their respective capacities to absorb more are.

no easy answers and not making blanket statements about everyone who
ever used a hotmail account, just something to think about.

regards,
Hamish

So yes cumulative reputation on hotmail matters significantly.
http://www.rackaid.com/resources/hotmail-blacklist-removal/

I also found where to submit to have MSN review and un-blacklist us.
https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

I don’t know all the answers they want. If people could help me come up
with all the answers I’m happy to file the issue.

Thanks,
Alex

Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

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The 2nd link 2 emails ago:
https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

A form we fill out with Microsoft to have them fix it. Basically proving
we aren't a spamming organization. I also specifically asked the list to
help me compile all the answers we need.

I guess we could sign up to recieve back emails that get marked by
hotmail users as spam. That does seem to imply there are no false positives.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/19/2013 10:01 AM, Matt Wilkie wrote:

Well that confirms why the mail is stopped, but doesn't give much
indication of what to do about it. The Outlook "Services for Senders and
ISPs" page, http://mail.live.com/mail/services.aspx#Section1, has
possibilities. I've no idea which is the most appropriate route for us. Has
anyone already started sussing them out already?

-matt

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com>wrote:

Alan has helped confirm the blacklist:
<aboudreault> Sep 8 06:34:11 mail postfix/smtp[16407]: 8FE548375:
to=<simbaha2.runezone@outlook.com>,
relay=mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.188.94]:25, delay=0.7,
delays=0.07/0.01/0.58/0.03, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mx3
<aboudreault> .hotmail.com[65.54.188.94] said: 550 SC-004 (BAY0-MC2-F18)
Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend
that you contact your Internet service provider. The problem is that too
<aboudreault> many unwanted messages have been sent from the following
IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
FROM command))
<aboudreault> Code 550 SC-004: Emails rejected by Outlook for policy
reasons. A block has been placed against your IP address because we have
received complaints concerning emails coming from that IP address. We
recommend enrolling in our Junk Email Reporting Programme (JMRP), a free
programme intended to help senders remove unwanted recipients from their
email list. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your
Email/Internet Service

from /var/log/mail.log.1

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/17/2013 12:05 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

On 09/13/2013 02:31 AM, Hamish wrote:

Arnulf wrote:

There is a sort of recommendation forming to not use hotmail accounts

with OSGeo lists. If you think we should publish this somewhere please
go ahead. It even might sense to add a link on the mailing list
registration template to our Wiki with current information of this
type. Then people can read it even before subscribing.

it may be the case that hotmail disproportionately concentrates some
users who would be more likely to click on a "this is spam" button
to get rid of an email vs. finding the "click here to unsubscribe"
link at the bottom of the email. By diluting those users out to
other email systems, the other email systems may in turn be more
likely to ban our domain. i.e. the problem is perhaps not hotmail
and their technical policies.

what we don't know is how close we've come to being flagged by the
other gmail/yahoo/gmx/.. major providers due to user supplied false
positives, and so what their respective capacities to absorb more are.

no easy answers and not making blanket statements about everyone who
ever used a hotmail account, just something to think about.

regards,
Hamish

So yes cumulative reputation on hotmail matters significantly.
http://www.rackaid.com/resources/hotmail-blacklist-removal/

I also found where to submit to have MSN review and un-blacklist us.

https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

I don't know all the answers they want. If people could help me come up
with all the answers I'm happy to file the issue.

Thanks,
Alex

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

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I just looked at one thing in the list. SPF in our DNS Zone file. Looks
like Pairnic provides one, just need to log in and check it and then we
can notify hotmail about it.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/19/2013 10:20 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:

The 2nd link 2 emails ago:
https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

A form we fill out with Microsoft to have them fix it. Basically proving
we aren't a spamming organization. I also specifically asked the list to
help me compile all the answers we need.

I guess we could sign up to recieve back emails that get marked by
hotmail users as spam. That does seem to imply there are no false positives.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/19/2013 10:01 AM, Matt Wilkie wrote:

Well that confirms why the mail is stopped, but doesn't give much
indication of what to do about it. The Outlook "Services for Senders and
ISPs" page, http://mail.live.com/mail/services.aspx#Section1, has
possibilities. I've no idea which is the most appropriate route for us. Has
anyone already started sussing them out already?

-matt

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com>wrote:

Alan has helped confirm the blacklist:
<aboudreault> Sep 8 06:34:11 mail postfix/smtp[16407]: 8FE548375:
to=<simbaha2.runezone@outlook.com>,
relay=mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.188.94]:25, delay=0.7,
delays=0.07/0.01/0.58/0.03, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mx3
<aboudreault> .hotmail.com[65.54.188.94] said: 550 SC-004 (BAY0-MC2-F18)
Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend
that you contact your Internet service provider. The problem is that too
<aboudreault> many unwanted messages have been sent from the following
IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
FROM command))
<aboudreault> Code 550 SC-004: Emails rejected by Outlook for policy
reasons. A block has been placed against your IP address because we have
received complaints concerning emails coming from that IP address. We
recommend enrolling in our Junk Email Reporting Programme (JMRP), a free
programme intended to help senders remove unwanted recipients from their
email list. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your
Email/Internet Service

from /var/log/mail.log.1

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/17/2013 12:05 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

On 09/13/2013 02:31 AM, Hamish wrote:

Arnulf wrote:

There is a sort of recommendation forming to not use hotmail accounts

with OSGeo lists. If you think we should publish this somewhere please
go ahead. It even might sense to add a link on the mailing list
registration template to our Wiki with current information of this
type. Then people can read it even before subscribing.

it may be the case that hotmail disproportionately concentrates some
users who would be more likely to click on a "this is spam" button
to get rid of an email vs. finding the "click here to unsubscribe"
link at the bottom of the email. By diluting those users out to
other email systems, the other email systems may in turn be more
likely to ban our domain. i.e. the problem is perhaps not hotmail
and their technical policies.

what we don't know is how close we've come to being flagged by the
other gmail/yahoo/gmx/.. major providers due to user supplied false
positives, and so what their respective capacities to absorb more are.

no easy answers and not making blanket statements about everyone who
ever used a hotmail account, just something to think about.

regards,
Hamish

So yes cumulative reputation on hotmail matters significantly.
http://www.rackaid.com/resources/hotmail-blacklist-removal/

I also found where to submit to have MSN review and un-blacklist us.

https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

I don't know all the answers they want. If people could help me come up
with all the answers I'm happy to file the issue.

Thanks,
Alex

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

14

Ok, I've checked, we can indeed add SPF records to any of our domains in
pairnic. Now the tricky part, it's a text file in a specific format. We
have to carefully craft. Some of the potential issues.

1. People with @osgeo.org who send via a different smtp may get their
emails rejected.
2. We need to verify that our mailing lists are compatible with SPF
checking requirements, there are some specifics about mail forwarding.

More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework

Microsoft has a wizard to help write the text, but once again, not being
a pro at mail servers I don't know all the answers:
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/safety/content/technologies/senderid/wizard/default.aspx
Mostly I'm not sure what it meant in the Reverse DNS section on page 3.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/19/2013 10:29 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:

I just looked at one thing in the list. SPF in our DNS Zone file. Looks
like Pairnic provides one, just need to log in and check it and then we
can notify hotmail about it.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/19/2013 10:20 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:

The 2nd link 2 emails ago:
https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

A form we fill out with Microsoft to have them fix it. Basically proving
we aren't a spamming organization. I also specifically asked the list to
help me compile all the answers we need.

I guess we could sign up to recieve back emails that get marked by
hotmail users as spam. That does seem to imply there are no false positives.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/19/2013 10:01 AM, Matt Wilkie wrote:

Well that confirms why the mail is stopped, but doesn't give much
indication of what to do about it. The Outlook "Services for Senders and
ISPs" page, http://mail.live.com/mail/services.aspx#Section1, has
possibilities. I've no idea which is the most appropriate route for us. Has
anyone already started sussing them out already?

-matt

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com>wrote:

Alan has helped confirm the blacklist:
<aboudreault> Sep 8 06:34:11 mail postfix/smtp[16407]: 8FE548375:
to=<simbaha2.runezone@outlook.com>,
relay=mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.188.94]:25, delay=0.7,
delays=0.07/0.01/0.58/0.03, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mx3
<aboudreault> .hotmail.com[65.54.188.94] said: 550 SC-004 (BAY0-MC2-F18)
Unfortunately, messages from 140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend
that you contact your Internet service provider. The problem is that too
<aboudreault> many unwanted messages have been sent from the following
IP address above. You can also refer your provider to
http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL
FROM command))
<aboudreault> Code 550 SC-004: Emails rejected by Outlook for policy
reasons. A block has been placed against your IP address because we have
received complaints concerning emails coming from that IP address. We
recommend enrolling in our Junk Email Reporting Programme (JMRP), a free
programme intended to help senders remove unwanted recipients from their
email list. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your
Email/Internet Service

from /var/log/mail.log.1

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/17/2013 12:05 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

On 09/13/2013 02:31 AM, Hamish wrote:

Arnulf wrote:

There is a sort of recommendation forming to not use hotmail accounts

with OSGeo lists. If you think we should publish this somewhere please
go ahead. It even might sense to add a link on the mailing list
registration template to our Wiki with current information of this
type. Then people can read it even before subscribing.

it may be the case that hotmail disproportionately concentrates some
users who would be more likely to click on a "this is spam" button
to get rid of an email vs. finding the "click here to unsubscribe"
link at the bottom of the email. By diluting those users out to
other email systems, the other email systems may in turn be more
likely to ban our domain. i.e. the problem is perhaps not hotmail
and their technical policies.

what we don't know is how close we've come to being flagged by the
other gmail/yahoo/gmx/.. major providers due to user supplied false
positives, and so what their respective capacities to absorb more are.

no easy answers and not making blanket statements about everyone who
ever used a hotmail account, just something to think about.

regards,
Hamish

So yes cumulative reputation on hotmail matters significantly.
http://www.rackaid.com/resources/hotmail-blacklist-removal/

I also found where to submit to have MSN review and un-blacklist us.

https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

I don't know all the answers they want. If people could help me come up
with all the answers I'm happy to file the issue.

Thanks,
Alex

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Hi,
fyi: another complaint, Tom Kralidis had some issues and got this answer:
https://dpaste.de/j8GuE/

Cheers,
Arnulf

On 09/19/2013 07:08 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

Ok, I've checked, we can indeed add SPF records to any of our
domains in pairnic. Now the tricky part, it's a text file in a
specific format. We have to carefully craft. Some of the potential
issues.

1. People with @osgeo.org who send via a different smtp may get
their emails rejected. 2. We need to verify that our mailing lists
are compatible with SPF checking requirements, there are some
specifics about mail forwarding.

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework

Microsoft has a wizard to help write the text, but once again, not
being a pro at mail servers I don't know all the answers:
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/safety/content/technologies/senderid/wizard/default.aspx

Mostly I'm not sure what it meant in the Reverse DNS section on page 3.

Thanks, Alex

On 09/19/2013 10:29 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:

I just looked at one thing in the list. SPF in our DNS Zone file.
Looks like Pairnic provides one, just need to log in and check it
and then we can notify hotmail about it.

Thanks, Alex

On 09/19/2013 10:20 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:

The 2nd link 2 emails ago:
https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

A form we fill out with Microsoft to have them fix it. Basically proving

we aren't a spamming organization. I also specifically asked
the list to help me compile all the answers we need.

I guess we could sign up to recieve back emails that get marked
by hotmail users as spam. That does seem to imply there are no
false positives.

Thanks, Alex

On 09/19/2013 10:01 AM, Matt Wilkie wrote:

Well that confirms why the mail is stopped, but doesn't give
much indication of what to do about it. The Outlook "Services
for Senders and ISPs" page,
http://mail.live.com/mail/services.aspx#Section1, has
possibilities. I've no idea which is the most appropriate
route for us. Has anyone already started sussing them out
already?

-matt

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Alex Mandel
<tech_dev@wildintellect.com>wrote:

Alan has helped confirm the blacklist: <aboudreault> Sep 8
06:34:11 mail postfix/smtp[16407]: 8FE548375:
to=<simbaha2.runezone@outlook.com>,
relay=mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.188.94]:25, delay=0.7,
delays=0.07/0.01/0.58/0.03, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host
mx3 <aboudreault> .hotmail.com[65.54.188.94] said: 550
SC-004 (BAY0-MC2-F18) Unfortunately, messages from
140.211.15.134 weren't sent. We recommend that you contact
your Internet service provider. The problem is that too
<aboudreault> many unwanted messages have been sent from
the following IP address above. You can also refer your
provider to
http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in
reply to MAIL FROM command)) <aboudreault> Code 550 SC-004:
Emails rejected by Outlook for policy reasons. A block has
been placed against your IP address because we have
received complaints concerning emails coming from that IP
address. We recommend enrolling in our Junk Email Reporting
Programme (JMRP), a free programme intended to help senders
remove unwanted recipients from their email list. If you
are not an email/network admin please contact your
Email/Internet Service

from /var/log/mail.log.1

Thanks, Alex

On 09/17/2013 12:05 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

On 09/13/2013 02:31 AM, Hamish wrote:

Arnulf wrote:

There is a sort of recommendation forming to not use
hotmail accounts

with OSGeo lists. If you think we should publish this
somewhere please go ahead. It even might sense to add
a link on the mailing list registration template to
our Wiki with current information of this type. Then
people can read it even before subscribing.

it may be the case that hotmail disproportionately
concentrates some users who would be more likely to
click on a "this is spam" button to get rid of an email
vs. finding the "click here to unsubscribe" link at the
bottom of the email. By diluting those users out to
other email systems, the other email systems may in
turn be more likely to ban our domain. i.e. the problem
is perhaps not hotmail and their technical policies.

what we don't know is how close we've come to being
flagged by the other gmail/yahoo/gmx/.. major providers
due to user supplied false positives, and so what their
respective capacities to absorb more are.

no easy answers and not making blanket statements about
everyone who ever used a hotmail account, just
something to think about.

regards, Hamish

So yes cumulative reputation on hotmail matters
significantly.
http://www.rackaid.com/resources/hotmail-blacklist-removal/

I also found where to submit to have MSN review and un-blacklist us.

https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl&ct=eformts&st=1&wfxredirect=1

I don't know all the answers they want. If people could help me come up

with all the answers I'm happy to file the issue.

Thanks, Alex

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Arnulf wrote:

Hi,
fyi: another complaint, Tom Kralidis had some issues and got this answer:
https://dpaste.de/j8GuE/

fwiw here's the form letter I've been sending out to my bouncees:

"""
Hi,

Just to let you know that Hotmail have started banning posts from all
OSGeo mailing lists recently (spam filters gone wrong) and so emails
sent to your account have been bouncing. After a certain number of
bounces accounts are automatically de-subscribed from our lists and I
notice that this has just happened to you.

Until Hotmail get it sorted out I don't think there's too much point
in trying to resubscribe since it will just happen again. For now I'd
suggest to follow the mailing list on Nabble or Gmane, or try
subscribing using another email provider.

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.osgeo.livedemo
http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-FOSS4G-LiveDVD-f3777350.html
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo

sorry for the inconvenience.

regards,
Hamish

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On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 02:20:40AM -0700, Hamish wrote:

Just to let you know that Hotmail have started banning posts from all
OSGeo mailing lists recently [...]

In fact, Hotmail are arbitrarily banning innocent sites. A customer of
mine is running a standby server for his production site on a machine
which was set up from scratch on a fresh IP. Not a single EMail was
sent from this IP for years !!
After we switched the site over to the standby machine for maintenance
reasons, we found out that this IP was blocked by Hotmail.

That's SPAM prevention running out of control and I think it's not
unreasonable to advise against using Hotmail for serious communication.

Cheers,
  Martin.

P.S.: Several years ago German Telekom ("T-Online") used to do the same, they
      blocked large IP ranges without further investigation -
      preferrably those of their competitors ....
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thanks for the idea to point to public archive gateway’s Hamish. I’ve used that to supplement the notice I sent to osgeo4w (which is here: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/NOTICE-Hotmail-and-Live-account-email-is-bounced-td5078722.html)

-matt

···

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Hamish <hamish_b@yahoo.com> wrote:

Arnulf wrote:

Hi,
fyi: another complaint, Tom Kralidis had some issues and got this answer:
https://dpaste.de/j8GuE/

fwiw here’s the form letter I’ve been sending out to my bouncees:

“”"
Hi,

Just to let you know that Hotmail have started banning posts from all
OSGeo mailing lists recently (spam filters gone wrong) and so emails
sent to your account have been bouncing. After a certain number of
bounces accounts are automatically de-subscribed from our lists and I
notice that this has just happened to you.

Until Hotmail get it sorted out I don’t think there’s too much point
in trying to resubscribe since it will just happen again. For now I’d
suggest to follow the mailing list on Nabble or Gmane, or try
subscribing using another email provider.

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.osgeo.livedemo
http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-FOSS4G-LiveDVD-f3777350.html
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo

sorry for the inconvenience.

regards,
Hamish

Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

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Hi,

current stats:

mail: > qshape deferred
TOTAL 104978 84 120 331 443 1094 2281 5349 6345 14618 74313
hotmail.co.uk 67516 18 63 211 227 536 1148 2715 3281 7527 51790
hotmail.com 32362 61 56 120 216 536 1126 2543 2881 6996 17827
gmail.com 2353 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2353
gmail.co 845 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 845
aol.com 330 0 0 0 0 5 2 18 59 17 229
live.co.uk 102 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 102
…

mail: > mailq | grep hotmail | wc -l
216178

Perhaps we should flush the queue. It starts to flood the log files.
I wonder if that could be done selectively for hotmail* only?

I found some helper scripts online but perhaps a postfix expert is around in this list.

···

Markus

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2013/10/4 Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org>:

Hi,

current stats:

mail: > qshape deferred
                     TOTAL 104978 84 120 331 443 1094 2281 5349 6345 14618
74313
             hotmail.co.uk 67516 18 63 211 227 536 1148 2715 3281 7527
51790
               hotmail.com 32362 61 56 120 216 536 1126 2543 2881 6996
17827
                 gmail.com 2353 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2353
                  gmail.co 845 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
845
                   aol.com 330 0 0 0 0 5 2 18 59 17
229
                live.co.uk 102 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
102
...

mail: > mailq | grep hotmail | wc -l
216178

Perhaps we should flush the queue. It starts to flood the log files.
I wonder if that could be done selectively for hotmail* only?

I found some helper scripts online but perhaps a postfix expert is around in
this list.

Hi all,

Yesterday at 18:00 (CEST) 41 hotmail addresses of the OSGeo Spanish
mailing list were unsubscribed. That's an 8% of our membership.

Maybe I should collect those mails and wrote them a note?

--
Jorge Sanz
http://www.osgeo.org
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz