[SAC] Hosting for http://openstreetmap.org.ar/

Hello SAC,

I have been contacted by Fernando Sanz from Argentina, who is the
webmaster/everything for http://openstreetmap.org.ar/ (his user account:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/cyph3r)

I have met Fernando, at FOSS4G-Buenos Aries, and he is highly respected
and active in the Argentina OSM community. In fact he won a scholarship
to attend SotM-US last year, but he could not afford the flight cost
(see bottom of
http://openstreetmap.us/2013/06/announcing-scholarship-winners-sotmus/)

Another interesting note: SofM 2014 event will be hosted there in
Argentina in October.

Anyway, he needs hosting for the OSM node in Argentina. It will be a
demanding site instance, because it needs to generate lots of tiles,
consume lots of RAM, when rendering on the fly etc.

I feel we, OSGeo, should help out the OSM community in this instance and
provide hosting. However something like our AdhocVM wouldn't be useful
for his instance, as his site would take up too many resources.

So, all this to ask, can we help him/them?

Thanks,

-jeff

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:30:52PM -0300, Jeff McKenna wrote:

Anyway, he needs hosting for the OSM node in Argentina. It will be a
demanding site instance, because it needs to generate lots of tiles,
consume lots of RAM, when rendering on the fly etc.

I feel we, OSGeo, should help out the OSM community in this instance and
provide hosting. However something like our AdhocVM wouldn't be useful
for his instance, as his site would take up too many resources.

So, all this to ask, can we help him/them?

Just to be clear, does he need hosting for the OSM node *in* Argentina,
locally, or *for* Argentina ?

Cheers,
  Martin.
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On 2014-03-19, 1:02 PM, Martin Spott wrote:

Just to be clear, does he need hosting for the OSM node *in* Argentina,
locally, or *for* Argentina ?

Hi Martin, I just spoke with Fernando on IRC, "for" Argentina is
acceptable. He also just joined this mailing list, so please ask more
questions here if you have them.

-jeff

On 03/19/2014 10:04 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:

On 2014-03-19, 1:02 PM, Martin Spott wrote:

Just to be clear, does he need hosting for the OSM node *in* Argentina,
locally, or *for* Argentina ?

Hi Martin, I just spoke with Fernando on IRC, "for" Argentina is
acceptable. He also just joined this mailing list, so please ask more
questions here if you have them.

-jeff

I'm all for finding a way to help but I'm not sure putting stuff on an
OSGeo machine is the right answer. If the data is really "for" Argentina
and other local countries a closer server location would be helpful,
something in South America. I'm wondering if one of the OSGeo-ICA labs
might be able to help.

http://www.geoforall.org/locations/

I am open to discussing further collaboration with the OSM community
though. I expect there to be some mutually beneficial arrangement.

Thanks,
Alex

On 2014-03-19, 2:24 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

I'm all for finding a way to help but I'm not sure putting stuff on an
OSGeo machine is the right answer. If the data is really "for" Argentina
and other local countries a closer server location would be helpful,
something in South America. I'm wondering if one of the OSGeo-ICA labs
might be able to help.

http://www.geoforall.org/locations/

I am open to discussing further collaboration with the OSM community
though. I expect there to be some mutually beneficial arrangement.

Thanks,
Alex

I am aware of Geo4All, as I am heavily involved in it. I will of course
ask; however I was hoping that OSGeo and our infrastructure could help
out the OSM community in this case.

-jeff

On 03/20/2014 05:11 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:

On 2014-03-19, 2:24 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

I'm all for finding a way to help but I'm not sure putting stuff on an
OSGeo machine is the right answer. If the data is really "for" Argentina
and other local countries a closer server location would be helpful,
something in South America. I'm wondering if one of the OSGeo-ICA labs
might be able to help.

http://www.geoforall.org/locations/

I am open to discussing further collaboration with the OSM community
though. I expect there to be some mutually beneficial arrangement.

Thanks,
Alex

I am aware of Geo4All, as I am heavily involved in it. I will of course
ask; however I was hoping that OSGeo and our infrastructure could help
out the OSM community in this case.

-jeff

Do we have specs for what the needs are?
Disk space, web traffic load?

Given how much trouble we have keeping Vmap0 tiles from overloading or
resources, I'm not sure we have the capacity to serve high volumes of
tiles on the current hardware.

I'm also a little confused about what the local OSM mirrors do in
relation to the main OSM infrastructure which is well funded?

Thanks,
Alex

Hello, I’m Fernando, from the OSM-Ar community.

First of all, thank you for taking this into consideration.

For your information, we were running on a humble VPS with the following specs:

1Gb RAM
60GB HDD
1 core
500GB of BW

This setup wasnt really enough, low RAM made on-the-fly rendering quite slow, not handling concurrency nicely, if at all. As the HDD is 60GB caching turned virtually useless, the elevated inodes usage constantly filled the disk.

Anyway, at least doubling this specs (not the BW), while implementing new techniques and stack might be enough for the mid term.

We only serve tiles from Argentina, so our DB has only the Geofabrik extract from this country.

Its not exactly a mirror, as we introduce minor changes in the style, symbols, and localization. [1]

On the other hand, we constantly “represent” OSM, and FOSS4G when government authorities or representatives show interest on these, wich is quite usual lately. We are a healthy community working on this matter constantly. We love FLOSS and Open Data.

We aim to get incorporated in the Local Chapters proposal, but we still are a community, not a legal entity. [2] [3]

About the software:

OS: Debian 7

mapnik
osm2pgsql
postgresql - postgis
tilestache
nodejs, node-mapnik, tile-live, cartocss
nginx

Also note that I can fully manage the server, so a fresh Debian is all we need.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_Argentina
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters
[3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Agreement

For the sake of brevity Ive ommited lots of details on what we do and can do, but I’ll be glad to clear further doubts.

Thanks,

Fernando Sanz

El 2014-03-20 13:08, Alex Mandel escribió:

On 03/20/2014 05:11 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:

On 2014-03-19, 2:24 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

I’m all for finding a way to help but I’m not sure putting stuff on an OSGeo machine is the right answer. If the data is really “for” Argentina and other local countries a closer server location would be helpful, something in South America. I’m wondering if one of the OSGeo-ICA labs might be able to help. http://www.geoforall.org/locations/ I am open to discussing further collaboration with the OSM community though. I expect there to be some mutually beneficial arrangement. Thanks, Alex

I am aware of Geo4All, as I am heavily involved in it. I will of course ask; however I was hoping that OSGeo and our infrastructure could help out the OSM community in this case. -jeff

Do we have specs for what the needs are?
Disk space, web traffic load?

Given how much trouble we have keeping Vmap0 tiles from overloading or
resources, I'm not sure we have the capacity to serve high volumes of
tiles on the current hardware.

I'm also a little confused about what the local OSM mirrors do in
relation to the main OSM infrastructure which is well funded?

Thanks,
Alex
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On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 02:53:24PM -0300, correo@fernando.com.ar wrote:

For your information, we
were running on a humble VPS with the following specs:

[...]

We only serve tiles from Argentina,
so our DB has only the Geofabrik extract from this country.

Its not
exactly a mirror, as we introduce minor changes in the style, symbols,
and localization. [1]

Generally speaking this sounds like a nice match for the infrastructure
I'm running "The FlightGear MapServer" on.
BUT this machinery is far from being highly available, unplanned
outages may occur every once in a while. Ah, and currently I'm using
all available main memory for a GRASS job, which might keep the system
busy for a month ....

Cheers,
  Martin.
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2014-03-20 18:53 GMT+01:00 <correo@fernando.com.ar>:

Hello, I'm Fernando, from the OSM-Ar community.

First of all, thank you for taking this into consideration.

For your information, we were running on a humble VPS with the following
specs:

1Gb RAM
60GB HDD
1 core
500GB of BW

This setup wasnt really enough, low RAM made on-the-fly rendering quite
slow, not handling concurrency nicely, if at all. As the HDD is 60GB
caching turned virtually useless, the elevated inodes usage constantly
filled the disk.

Anyway, at least doubling this specs (not the BW), while implementing new
techniques and stack might be enough for the mid term.

We only serve tiles from Argentina, so our DB has only the Geofabrik
extract from this country.

Its not exactly a mirror, as we introduce minor changes in the style,
symbols, and localization. [1]

On the other hand, we constantly "represent" OSM, and FOSS4G when
government authorities or representatives show interest on these, wich is
quite usual lately. We are a healthy community working on this matter
constantly. We love FLOSS and Open Data.

We aim to get incorporated in the Local Chapters proposal, but we still
are a community, not a legal entity. [2] [3]

About the software:

OS: Debian 7

mapnik
osm2pgsql
postgresql - postgis
tilestache
nodejs, node-mapnik, tile-live, cartocss
nginx

Also note that I can fully manage the server, so a fresh Debian is all we
need.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_Argentina
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters
[3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Agreement

For the sake of brevity Ive ommited lots of details on what we do and can
do, but I'll be glad to clear further doubts.

Thanks,

Fernando Sanz

Hi, please let me support this request. Fernando is speaking on behalf of
an active community. I was with Jeff at FOSS4G Buenos Aires 2013, impressed
by their passion and how fast they've built a community of professional and
hard working enthusiasts, bringing people from open source and open data
realms. Being Geoinquietos Argentina younger than other Geoinquietos groups
(kind of microchapters started with FOSS4G 2010 in Barcelona) they accepted
and succeed on the challenge of doing a great conference.

--
Jorge Sanz
http://www.osgeo.org
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 09:14:16AM +0100, Jorge Sanz wrote:

Hi, please let me support this request.

I don't think that lack of motivation is the limiting factor :wink:

  Martin.
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(not sorry for cross posting)

Hi,
I am all for supporting this because it helps diversifying
infrastructures and follows a think global act local paradigm. Is
there anything that would prevent OSGeo from providing funds for a
server located in Argentina? Are we on track with this as a regular
process of asking for this type of funding? It is very much in line
with the goals of OSGeo.

Fernando,
I suggest to double or triple the spec of the box right away and plan
for at least two years of operation (so that there is some
continuity). After this period it should either be possible to get
funding from more local sponsors and/or the OSGeo Local Chapter South
America / Argentina can take over.

As a side node: The local server for OSM in the German language region
is funded through FOSSGIS e.V. which is the German language OSGeo
Local Chapter (and also acts as a point of contact, collects
sponsorship for OSM and supports OSM events and activities).

Best regards,
Arnulf

On 03/21/2014 09:14 AM, Jorge Sanz wrote:

2014-03-20 18:53 GMT+01:00 <correo@fernando.com.ar
<mailto:correo@fernando.com.ar>>:

__

Hello, I'm Fernando, from the OSM-Ar community.

First of all, thank you for taking this into consideration.

For your information, we were running on a humble VPS with the
following specs:

1Gb RAM 60GB HDD 1 core 500GB of BW

This setup wasnt really enough, low RAM made on-the-fly rendering
quite slow, not handling concurrency nicely, if at all. As the HDD
is 60GB caching turned virtually useless, the elevated inodes
usage constantly filled the disk.

Anyway, at least doubling this specs (not the BW), while
implementing new techniques and stack might be enough for the mid
term.

We only serve tiles from Argentina, so our DB has only the
Geofabrik extract from this country.

Its not exactly a mirror, as we introduce minor changes in the
style, symbols, and localization. [1]

On the other hand, we constantly "represent" OSM, and FOSS4G when
government authorities or representatives show interest on these,
wich is quite usual lately. We are a healthy community working on
this matter constantly. We love FLOSS and Open Data.

We aim to get incorporated in the Local Chapters proposal, but we
still are a community, not a legal entity. [2] [3]

About the software:

OS: Debian 7

mapnik osm2pgsql postgresql - postgis tilestache nodejs,
node-mapnik, tile-live, cartocss nginx

Also note that I can fully manage the server, so a fresh Debian is
all we need.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_Argentina [2]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters [3]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Agreement

For the sake of brevity Ive ommited lots of details on what we do
and can do, but I'll be glad to clear further doubts.

Thanks,

Fernando Sanz

Hi, please let me support this request. Fernando is speaking on
behalf of an active community. I was with Jeff at FOSS4G Buenos
Aires 2013, impressed by their passion and how fast they've built a
community of professional and hard working enthusiasts, bringing
people from open source and open data realms. Being Geoinquietos
Argentina younger than other Geoinquietos groups (kind of
microchapters started with FOSS4G 2010 in Barcelona) they accepted
and succeed on the challenge of doing a great conference.

-- Jorge Sanz http://www.osgeo.org
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz

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You just pointed out the hold up. We've never handled a request for
dedicated hardware. If this is something the board wants to back then we
should consider it. Previously we've offer shared hosting to OSGeo
projects, and small informational sites to chapters.

Double the specs requested is actually more than we've given most
projects. On the flip-side, few projects have asked for more, but I'm
not sure anyone knows the mechanism by which to request resources. Seems
these days many just go off and do their own thing (e.g. foss4g sites,
QGIS docker, etc...)

As for hosting in South America, someone would need to find a good place
before we considered that. Can someone put together some quotes for
comparison of hosting this vs. buying hardware?
These look like potential hosting options
http://openvz.org/Hosting_providers#Argentina

Not to muddle the waters, but if we can get the peer1 osgeo1 turned off,
that money can easily be redirected to more hardware. Other than that I
haven't really payed attention to the budget for SAC since we just got
the backup server we wanted. Looks like we do have some funds. My
priority would be to pay to get osgeo1 moved and peer1 off. Then we can
reallocate those funds to projects like this.

Thanks,
Alex

On 03/21/2014 02:19 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:

(not sorry for cross posting)

Hi,
I am all for supporting this because it helps diversifying
infrastructures and follows a think global act local paradigm. Is
there anything that would prevent OSGeo from providing funds for a
server located in Argentina? Are we on track with this as a regular
process of asking for this type of funding? It is very much in line
with the goals of OSGeo.

Fernando,
I suggest to double or triple the spec of the box right away and plan
for at least two years of operation (so that there is some
continuity). After this period it should either be possible to get
funding from more local sponsors and/or the OSGeo Local Chapter South
America / Argentina can take over.

As a side node: The local server for OSM in the German language region
is funded through FOSSGIS e.V. which is the German language OSGeo
Local Chapter (and also acts as a point of contact, collects
sponsorship for OSM and supports OSM events and activities).

Best regards,
Arnulf

On 03/21/2014 09:14 AM, Jorge Sanz wrote:

2014-03-20 18:53 GMT+01:00 <correo@fernando.com.ar
<mailto:correo@fernando.com.ar>>:

__

Hello, I'm Fernando, from the OSM-Ar community.

First of all, thank you for taking this into consideration.

For your information, we were running on a humble VPS with the
following specs:

1Gb RAM 60GB HDD 1 core 500GB of BW

This setup wasnt really enough, low RAM made on-the-fly rendering
quite slow, not handling concurrency nicely, if at all. As the HDD
is 60GB caching turned virtually useless, the elevated inodes
usage constantly filled the disk.

Anyway, at least doubling this specs (not the BW), while
implementing new techniques and stack might be enough for the mid
term.

We only serve tiles from Argentina, so our DB has only the
Geofabrik extract from this country.

Its not exactly a mirror, as we introduce minor changes in the
style, symbols, and localization. [1]

On the other hand, we constantly "represent" OSM, and FOSS4G when
government authorities or representatives show interest on these,
wich is quite usual lately. We are a healthy community working on
this matter constantly. We love FLOSS and Open Data.

We aim to get incorporated in the Local Chapters proposal, but we
still are a community, not a legal entity. [2] [3]

About the software:

OS: Debian 7

mapnik osm2pgsql postgresql - postgis tilestache nodejs,
node-mapnik, tile-live, cartocss nginx

Also note that I can fully manage the server, so a fresh Debian is
all we need.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_Argentina [2]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters [3]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Agreement

For the sake of brevity Ive ommited lots of details on what we do
and can do, but I'll be glad to clear further doubts.

Thanks,

Fernando Sanz

Hi, please let me support this request. Fernando is speaking on
behalf of an active community. I was with Jeff at FOSS4G Buenos
Aires 2013, impressed by their passion and how fast they've built a
community of professional and hard working enthusiasts, bringing
people from open source and open data realms. Being Geoinquietos
Argentina younger than other Geoinquietos groups (kind of
microchapters started with FOSS4G 2010 in Barcelona) they accepted
and succeed on the challenge of doing a great conference.

-- Jorge Sanz http://www.osgeo.org
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz

_______________________________________________ Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

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http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

A few new details relevant to this discussion based on recent server events.

1. OSGeo's current machines do not have capacity for additional high I/O
jobs. Serving relatively static data is no big dealing, generating tiles
is potentially an issue.

2. I spoke with Grant an admin at OSM, and he was confused as to why the
request didn't go to their team. I think he might be on this list now.
This page is enlightening, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers
They too lack any mirrors in South America and currently use North
American. We haven't ruled out collaborating on some additional North
American servers.

3. We're real close to finally shutting down osgeo1, and osgeo3/4 are
both 3-4 years old now. What does this mean? We will probably start
discussing new hardware in the new future, which includes a discussion
of what do we want this hardware to be able to do and where do we want
to put it.

http://www.telegeography.com/assets/website/images/maps/global-internet-map-2012/global-internet-map-2012-l.png
Implies that Florida might be a good place. Or a South Eastern US
university.

Thanks,
Alex

On 03/20/2014 10:53 AM, correo@fernando.com.ar wrote:

Hello, I'm Fernando, from the OSM-Ar community.

First of all,
thank you for taking this into consideration.

For your information, we
were running on a humble VPS with the following specs:

1Gb RAM
60GB
HDD
1 core
500GB of BW

This setup wasnt really enough, low RAM made
on-the-fly rendering quite slow, not handling concurrency nicely, if at
all. As the HDD is 60GB caching turned virtually useless, the elevated
inodes usage constantly filled the disk.

Anyway, at least doubling
this specs (not the BW), while implementing new techniques and stack
might be enough for the mid term.

We only serve tiles from Argentina,
so our DB has only the Geofabrik extract from this country.

Its not
exactly a mirror, as we introduce minor changes in the style, symbols,
and localization. [1]

On the other hand, we constantly "represent"
OSM, and FOSS4G when government authorities or representatives show
interest on these, wich is quite usual lately. We are a healthy
community working on this matter constantly. We love FLOSS and Open
Data.

We aim to get incorporated in the Local Chapters proposal, but
we still are a community, not a legal entity. [2] [3]

About the
software:

OS: Debian 7

mapnik
osm2pgsql
postgresql -
postgis
tilestache
nodejs, node-mapnik, tile-live, cartocss
nginx

Also
note that I can fully manage the server, so a fresh Debian is all we
need.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_Argentina

[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters
[3]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Agreement

For the sake of brevity Ive ommited lots of details on what we do and
can do, but I'll be glad to clear further doubts.

Thanks,

Fernando
Sanz

El 2014-03-20 13:08, Alex Mandel escribió:

On 03/20/2014

05:11 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:

On 2014-03-19, 2:24 PM, Alex Mandel

wrote:

I'm all for finding a way to help but I'm not sure

putting stuff on an OSGeo machine is the right answer. If the data is
really "for" Argentina and other local countries a closer server
location would be helpful, something in South America. I'm wondering if
one of the OSGeo-ICA labs might be able to help.
http://www.geoforall.org/locations/ [1] I am open to discussing further
collaboration with the OSM community though. I expect there to be some
mutually beneficial arrangement. Thanks, Alex

I am aware of Geo4All,

as I am heavily involved in it. I will of course ask; however I was
hoping that OSGeo and our infrastructure could help out the OSM
community in this case. -jeff

Do we have specs for what the needs

are?

Disk space, web traffic load?

Given how much trouble we have

keeping Vmap0 tiles from overloading or

resources, I'm not sure we

have the capacity to serve high volumes of

tiles on the current

hardware.

I'm also a little confused about what the local OSM

mirrors do in

relation to the main OSM infrastructure which is well

funded?

Thanks,
Alex

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Alex,

1- Ive noticed the I/O problems, and that you have many sites in the same
server, so I believe that your priority is to improve Osgeo's
infrastructure rather than helping us out (OSM-Ar).

We have already 1 donated server with 2 cores, 16GB RAM, and 500GB
(mirrored), there are two VM with ubuntu 12.04, one for the tileserver and
the other for the webserver. So we are OK right now, we are just awaiting
delivery.

2- Thats a really good point, I use to reach help through my friends, and
since I dont know Grant Slater or the team, I just didnt know where to
ask. Anyway, Ive found out his nickname and joined #osm-dev @OFTC to talk
with him. Thank you!

3- Thats nice, in the meantime, when we have our webserver VM ready, I
will let you know in case you need to temporarily host any low importance
site, like historic foss4g sites, mirroring in South America, whatever.

Good luck with the new hardware adquisition! You'll have fun for sure :slight_smile:

Thank you all.

A few new details relevant to this discussion based on recent server
events.

1. OSGeo's current machines do not have capacity for additional high I/O
jobs. Serving relatively static data is no big dealing, generating tiles
is potentially an issue.

2. I spoke with Grant an admin at OSM, and he was confused as to why the
request didn't go to their team. I think he might be on this list now.
This page is enlightening, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers
They too lack any mirrors in South America and currently use North
American. We haven't ruled out collaborating on some additional North
American servers.

3. We're real close to finally shutting down osgeo1, and osgeo3/4 are
both 3-4 years old now. What does this mean? We will probably start
discussing new hardware in the new future, which includes a discussion
of what do we want this hardware to be able to do and where do we want
to put it.

http://www.telegeography.com/assets/website/images/maps/global-internet-map-2012/global-internet-map-2012-l.png
Implies that Florida might be a good place. Or a South Eastern US
university.

Thanks,
Alex

On 03/20/2014 10:53 AM, correo@fernando.com.ar wrote:

Hello, I'm Fernando, from the OSM-Ar community.

First of all,
thank you for taking this into consideration.

For your information, we
were running on a humble VPS with the following specs:

1Gb RAM
60GB
HDD
1 core
500GB of BW

This setup wasnt really enough, low RAM made
on-the-fly rendering quite slow, not handling concurrency nicely, if at
all. As the HDD is 60GB caching turned virtually useless, the elevated
inodes usage constantly filled the disk.

Anyway, at least doubling
this specs (not the BW), while implementing new techniques and stack
might be enough for the mid term.

We only serve tiles from Argentina,
so our DB has only the Geofabrik extract from this country.

Its not
exactly a mirror, as we introduce minor changes in the style, symbols,
and localization. [1]

On the other hand, we constantly "represent"
OSM, and FOSS4G when government authorities or representatives show
interest on these, wich is quite usual lately. We are a healthy
community working on this matter constantly. We love FLOSS and Open
Data.

We aim to get incorporated in the Local Chapters proposal, but
we still are a community, not a legal entity. [2] [3]

About the
software:

OS: Debian 7

mapnik
osm2pgsql
postgresql -
postgis
tilestache
nodejs, node-mapnik, tile-live, cartocss
nginx

Also
note that I can fully manage the server, so a fresh Debian is all we
need.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_Argentina

[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters
[3]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Agreement

For the sake of brevity Ive ommited lots of details on what we do and
can do, but I'll be glad to clear further doubts.

Thanks,

Fernando
Sanz

El 2014-03-20 13:08, Alex Mandel escribió:

On 03/20/2014

05:11 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:

On 2014-03-19, 2:24 PM, Alex Mandel

wrote:

I'm all for finding a way to help but I'm not sure

putting stuff on an OSGeo machine is the right answer. If the data is
really "for" Argentina and other local countries a closer server
location would be helpful, something in South America. I'm wondering if
one of the OSGeo-ICA labs might be able to help.
http://www.geoforall.org/locations/ [1] I am open to discussing further
collaboration with the OSM community though. I expect there to be some
mutually beneficial arrangement. Thanks, Alex

I am aware of Geo4All,

as I am heavily involved in it. I will of course ask; however I was
hoping that OSGeo and our infrastructure could help out the OSM
community in this case. -jeff

Do we have specs for what the needs

are?

Disk space, web traffic load?

Given how much trouble we have

keeping Vmap0 tiles from overloading or

resources, I'm not sure we

have the capacity to serve high volumes of

tiles on the current

hardware.

I'm also a little confused about what the local OSM

mirrors do in

relation to the main OSM infrastructure which is well

funded?

Thanks,
Alex

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That's great news Fernando about the donated OSM-AR server. Yes let's
keep in touch about this, as you never know when your node could be used
as a mirror for an OSGeo/FOSS4G site.

-jeff

On 2014-04-06, 12:22 PM, correo@fernando.com.ar wrote:

Alex,

1- Ive noticed the I/O problems, and that you have many sites in the same
server, so I believe that your priority is to improve Osgeo's
infrastructure rather than helping us out (OSM-Ar).

We have already 1 donated server with 2 cores, 16GB RAM, and 500GB
(mirrored), there are two VM with ubuntu 12.04, one for the tileserver and
the other for the webserver. So we are OK right now, we are just awaiting
delivery.

2- Thats a really good point, I use to reach help through my friends, and
since I dont know Grant Slater or the team, I just didnt know where to
ask. Anyway, Ive found out his nickname and joined #osm-dev @OFTC to talk
with him. Thank you!

3- Thats nice, in the meantime, when we have our webserver VM ready, I
will let you know in case you need to temporarily host any low importance
site, like historic foss4g sites, mirroring in South America, whatever.

Good luck with the new hardware adquisition! You'll have fun for sure :slight_smile:

Thank you all.