[SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Committees SAC mailing list
1

Shawn,

I would like to request some changes to the MapGuide and FDO project mailing lists. Specifically I would like to rename some of mailing lists, deactivate some lists, and remove some lists altogether.

The lists to be renamed are:
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits (should be hooked to broadcast SVN commits)
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits (should be hooked to broadcast all FDO project SVN commits)
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

The lists to be deactivated (but I would like access to the archives if possible):
Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

Lists to be deleted:
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

Please let me know if this will be possible and when the changes could be made.

Thanks,
Bob

2

Bob,

I'll can do the deleting and deactivating today and tomorrow morning
i'll do the renaming.

shawn

Robert Bray wrote:

Shawn,

I would like to request some changes to the MapGuide and FDO project mailing
lists. Specifically I would like to rename some of mailing lists, deactivate
some lists, and remove some lists altogether.

*The lists to be renamed are:*
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits (should be hooked to broadcast SVN commits)
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits (should be hooked to broadcast all FDO project SVN
commits)
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

*The lists to be deactivated (but I would like access to the archives if possible):*
Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

*Lists to be deleted:*
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

Please let me know if this will be possible and when the changes could be made.

Thanks,
Bob

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Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

3

Shawn,

If possible, could you please do the following at the same time?

Delete:

Webcommittee_announce@
Webcommittee_commits@
Webcommittee_issues@
Www_news-item@
Www_cvs@

Rename:

Webcommittee_dev@ to webcom@

and if you have time... investigate:

Www_admin

(I have no idea what this is)

Thanks,
Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 6:12 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Bob,

I'll can do the deleting and deactivating today and tomorrow morning
i'll do the renaming.

shawn

Robert Bray wrote:

Shawn,

I would like to request some changes to the MapGuide and FDO project mailing
lists. Specifically I would like to rename some of mailing lists, deactivate
some lists, and remove some lists altogether.

*The lists to be renamed are:*
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits (should be hooked to broadcast SVN commits)
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits (should be hooked to broadcast all FDO project SVN
commits)
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

*The lists to be deactivated (but I would like access to the archives if possible):*
Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

*Lists to be deleted:*
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

Please let me know if this will be possible and when the changes could be made.

Thanks,
Bob

4

Jason, Bob,

www_admin was a list for cn mail server to send mail to. It's now deleted

I've also deleted the following lists:

Webcommittee_announce
Webcommittee_commits
Webcommittee_issues
Www_news-item
Www_cvs
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

lists removed with archives left intact:

Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

archives are accessible at lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/

Tomorrow i will move/rename the following lists

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

shawn

Jason Birch wrote:

Shawn,

If possible, could you please do the following at the same time?

Delete:

Webcommittee_announce@
Webcommittee_commits@
Webcommittee_issues@
Www_news-item@
Www_cvs@

Rename:

Webcommittee_dev@ to webcom@

and if you have time... investigate:

Www_admin

(I have no idea what this is)

Thanks,
Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 6:12 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Bob,

I'll can do the deleting and deactivating today and tomorrow morning
i'll do the renaming.

shawn

Robert Bray wrote:

Shawn,

I would like to request some changes to the MapGuide and FDO project mailing
lists. Specifically I would like to rename some of mailing lists, deactivate
some lists, and remove some lists altogether.

*The lists to be renamed are:*
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits (should be hooked to broadcast SVN commits)
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits (should be hooked to broadcast all FDO project SVN
commits)
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

*The lists to be deactivated (but I would like access to the archives if possible):*
Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

*Lists to be deleted:*
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

Please let me know if this will be possible and when the changes could be made.

Thanks,
Bob

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Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

5

I know that this might be late, but can I suggest that we use "mapguide-internals" rather than "mapguide-dev" ???

This avoids the inherent confusion that results from many of our end users being developers.

It appears that MySQL and PHP are both using this convention, likely for the same reason.

Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 11:29 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Jason, Bob,

www_admin was a list for cn mail server to send mail to. It's now deleted

I've also deleted the following lists:

Webcommittee_announce
Webcommittee_commits
Webcommittee_issues
Www_news-item
Www_cvs
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

lists removed with archives left intact:

Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

archives are accessible at lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/

Tomorrow i will move/rename the following lists

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

shawn

Jason Birch wrote:

Shawn,

If possible, could you please do the following at the same time?

Delete:

Webcommittee_announce@
Webcommittee_commits@
Webcommittee_issues@
Www_news-item@
Www_cvs@

Rename:

Webcommittee_dev@ to webcom@

and if you have time... investigate:

Www_admin

(I have no idea what this is)

Thanks,
Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 6:12 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Bob,

I'll can do the deleting and deactivating today and tomorrow morning
i'll do the renaming.

shawn

Robert Bray wrote:

Shawn,

I would like to request some changes to the MapGuide and FDO project mailing
lists. Specifically I would like to rename some of mailing lists, deactivate
some lists, and remove some lists altogether.

*The lists to be renamed are:*
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits (should be hooked to broadcast SVN commits)
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits (should be hooked to broadcast all FDO project SVN
commits)
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

*The lists to be deactivated (but I would like access to the archives if possible):*
Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

*Lists to be deleted:*
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

Please let me know if this will be possible and when the changes could be made.

Thanks,
Bob

------------------------------------------------------------------------

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

6

Shawn,

If you see this before you make the MapGuide and FDO list changes, please alter the plan as follows:

Mapguide-dev => mapguide-internals
Fdo-dev => fdo-internals

I agree with Jason that this will hopefully prevent application developers from posting questions on the development list.

Thanks,
Bob

Jason Birch wrote:

7

Hi,

Sorry for interfering, but what about:

fdo-dev - for FDO dev team discussions
fdo-users - for FDO users, all who use FDO in their applications

Mateusz

Robert Bray wrote:

Shawn,

If you see this before you make the MapGuide and FDO list changes,
please alter the plan as follows:

Mapguide-dev => mapguide-internals
Fdo-dev => fdo-internals

I agree with Jason that this will hopefully prevent application
developers from posting questions on the development list.

Thanks,
Bob

Jason Birch wrote:

I know that this might be late, but can I suggest that we use "mapguide-internals" rather than "mapguide-dev" ???

This avoids the inherent confusion that results from many of our end users being developers.

It appears that MySQL and PHP are both using this convention, likely for the same reason.

Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 11:29 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Jason, Bob,

www_admin was a list for cn mail server to send mail to. It's now deleted

I've also deleted the following lists:

Webcommittee_announce
Webcommittee_commits
Webcommittee_issues
Www_news-item
Www_cvs
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

lists removed with archives left intact:

Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

archives are accessible at lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/

Tomorrow i will move/rename the following lists

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

shawn

Jason Birch wrote:
  

Shawn,

If possible, could you please do the following at the same time?

Delete:

Webcommittee_announce@
Webcommittee_commits@
Webcommittee_issues@
Www_news-item@
Www_cvs@

Rename:

Webcommittee_dev@ to webcom@

and if you have time... investigate:

Www_admin

(I have no idea what this is)

Thanks,
Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 6:12 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Bob,

I'll can do the deleting and deactivating today and tomorrow morning
i'll do the renaming.

shawn

Robert Bray wrote:
    

Shawn,

I would like to request some changes to the MapGuide and FDO project mailing
lists. Specifically I would like to rename some of mailing lists, deactivate
some lists, and remove some lists altogether.

*The lists to be renamed are:*
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits (should be hooked to broadcast SVN commits)
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits (should be hooked to broadcast all FDO project SVN
commits)
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

*The lists to be deactivated (but I would like access to the archives if possible):*
Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

*Lists to be deleted:*
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

Please let me know if this will be possible and when the changes could be made.

Thanks,
Bob

--
Mateusz Loskot
http://mateusz.loskot.net

8

Mateusz,

What we have found on the mapguide project is that all users are developers, some people like yourself write code on the project and others (the majority) are application developers that use our APIs. Often the second category posts app development questions to mapguide-dev when in reality they should have been posted to mapguide-users. I think as the FDO lists grow we’ll experience the same problems, which is why I have backed this change. Both the PHP and MySQL projects use -internals to avoid that type of confusion.

The reality is I don’t like it either, but I think it will be beneficial to the project in the long run.
And you my friend are never interfering, just asking good questions.

Bob

Mateusz Loskot wrote:

9

Robert,

Thank you for the explanation. Certainly, it makes
sense to me very well.
Mateusz

Robert Bray wrote:

Mateusz,

What we have found on the mapguide project is that all users are
developers, some people like yourself write code on the project and
others (the majority) are application developers that use our APIs.
Often the second category posts app development questions to
mapguide-dev when in reality they should have been posted to
mapguide-users. I think as the FDO lists grow we'll experience the same
problems, which is why I have backed this change. Both the PHP and MySQL
projects use -internals to avoid that type of confusion.

The reality is I don't like it either, but I think it will be beneficial
to the project in the long run.
And you my friend are never interfering, just asking good questions.

Bob

Mateusz Loskot wrote:

Hi,

Sorry for interfering, but what about:

fdo-dev - for FDO dev team discussions
fdo-users - for FDO users, all who use FDO in their applications

Mateusz

Robert Bray wrote:
  

Shawn,

If you see this before you make the MapGuide and FDO list changes,
please alter the plan as follows:

Mapguide-dev => mapguide-internals
Fdo-dev => fdo-internals

I agree with Jason that this will hopefully prevent application
developers from posting questions on the development list.

Thanks,
Bob

Jason Birch wrote:
    

I know that this might be late, but can I suggest that we use "mapguide-internals" rather than "mapguide-dev" ???

This avoids the inherent confusion that results from many of our end users being developers.

It appears that MySQL and PHP are both using this convention, likely for the same reason.

Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 11:29 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Jason, Bob,

www_admin was a list for cn mail server to send mail to. It's now deleted

I've also deleted the following lists:

Webcommittee_announce
Webcommittee_commits
Webcommittee_issues
Www_news-item
Www_cvs
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

lists removed with archives left intact:

Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

archives are accessible at lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/

Tomorrow i will move/rename the following lists

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

shawn

Jason Birch wrote:
  

Shawn,

If possible, could you please do the following at the same time?

Delete:

Webcommittee_announce@
Webcommittee_commits@
Webcommittee_issues@
Www_news-item@
Www_cvs@

Rename:

Webcommittee_dev@ to webcom@

and if you have time... investigate:

Www_admin

(I have no idea what this is)

Thanks,
Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 6:12 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Bob,

I'll can do the deleting and deactivating today and tomorrow morning
i'll do the renaming.

shawn

Robert Bray wrote:
    

Shawn,

I would like to request some changes to the MapGuide and FDO project mailing
lists. Specifically I would like to rename some of mailing lists, deactivate
some lists, and remove some lists altogether.

*The lists to be renamed are:*
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits (should be hooked to broadcast SVN commits)
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits (should be hooked to broadcast all FDO project SVN
commits)
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

*The lists to be deactivated (but I would like access to the archives if possible):*
Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

*Lists to be deleted:*
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

Please let me know if this will be possible and when the changes could be made.

Thanks,
Bob
          
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_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

--
Mateusz Loskot
http://mateusz.loskot.net

10

lists that will be renamed today:

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide-dev => mapguide-internals
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo-dev => fdo-internals
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits

shawn

Mateusz Loskot wrote:

Robert,

Thank you for the explanation. Certainly, it makes
sense to me very well.
Mateusz

Robert Bray wrote:

Mateusz,

What we have found on the mapguide project is that all users are
developers, some people like yourself write code on the project and
others (the majority) are application developers that use our APIs.
Often the second category posts app development questions to
mapguide-dev when in reality they should have been posted to
mapguide-users. I think as the FDO lists grow we'll experience the same
problems, which is why I have backed this change. Both the PHP and MySQL
projects use -internals to avoid that type of confusion.

The reality is I don't like it either, but I think it will be beneficial
to the project in the long run.
And you my friend are never interfering, just asking good questions.

Bob

Mateusz Loskot wrote:

Hi,

Sorry for interfering, but what about:

fdo-dev - for FDO dev team discussions
fdo-users - for FDO users, all who use FDO in their applications

Mateusz

Robert Bray wrote:
  

Shawn,

If you see this before you make the MapGuide and FDO list changes,
please alter the plan as follows:

Mapguide-dev => mapguide-internals
Fdo-dev => fdo-internals

I agree with Jason that this will hopefully prevent application
developers from posting questions on the development list.

Thanks,
Bob

Jason Birch wrote:
    

I know that this might be late, but can I suggest that we use "mapguide-internals" rather than "mapguide-dev" ???

This avoids the inherent confusion that results from many of our end users being developers.

It appears that MySQL and PHP are both using this convention, likely for the same reason.

Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 11:29 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Jason, Bob,

www_admin was a list for cn mail server to send mail to. It's now deleted

I've also deleted the following lists:

Webcommittee_announce
Webcommittee_commits
Webcommittee_issues
Www_news-item
Www_cvs
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

lists removed with archives left intact:

Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

archives are accessible at lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/

Tomorrow i will move/rename the following lists

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

shawn

Jason Birch wrote:
  

Shawn,

If possible, could you please do the following at the same time?

Delete:

Webcommittee_announce@
Webcommittee_commits@
Webcommittee_issues@
Www_news-item@
Www_cvs@

Rename:

Webcommittee_dev@ to webcom@

and if you have time... investigate:

Www_admin

(I have no idea what this is)

Thanks,
Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 6:12 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Bob,

I'll can do the deleting and deactivating today and tomorrow morning
i'll do the renaming.

shawn

Robert Bray wrote:
    

Shawn,

I would like to request some changes to the MapGuide and FDO project mailing
lists. Specifically I would like to rename some of mailing lists, deactivate
some lists, and remove some lists altogether.

*The lists to be renamed are:*
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits (should be hooked to broadcast SVN commits)
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits (should be hooked to broadcast all FDO project SVN
commits)
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

*The lists to be deactivated (but I would like access to the archives if possible):*
Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

*Lists to be deleted:*
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

Please let me know if this will be possible and when the changes could be made.

Thanks,
Bob
          
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Shawn,

Your list is missing: Fdo_users => fdo-users.

Thanks,
Bob

shawn barnes wrote:

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List names that have now been renamed are:

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-internals
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo-dev => fdo-internals
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits
Fdo_users => fdo-users

i've aliased oldlist name to newlist name to catch posts sent to the oldname

i removed the oldlist but, kept archives just in case.

shawn

shawn barnes wrote:

lists that will be renamed today:

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide-dev => mapguide-internals
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo-dev => fdo-internals
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits

shawn

Mateusz Loskot wrote:

Robert,

Thank you for the explanation. Certainly, it makes
sense to me very well.
Mateusz

Robert Bray wrote:

Mateusz,

What we have found on the mapguide project is that all users are
developers, some people like yourself write code on the project and
others (the majority) are application developers that use our APIs.
Often the second category posts app development questions to
mapguide-dev when in reality they should have been posted to
mapguide-users. I think as the FDO lists grow we'll experience the same
problems, which is why I have backed this change. Both the PHP and MySQL
projects use -internals to avoid that type of confusion.

The reality is I don't like it either, but I think it will be beneficial
to the project in the long run.
And you my friend are never interfering, just asking good questions.

Bob

Mateusz Loskot wrote:

Hi,

Sorry for interfering, but what about:

fdo-dev - for FDO dev team discussions
fdo-users - for FDO users, all who use FDO in their applications

Mateusz

Robert Bray wrote:
  

Shawn,

If you see this before you make the MapGuide and FDO list changes,
please alter the plan as follows:

Mapguide-dev => mapguide-internals
Fdo-dev => fdo-internals

I agree with Jason that this will hopefully prevent application
developers from posting questions on the development list.

Thanks,
Bob

Jason Birch wrote:
    

I know that this might be late, but can I suggest that we use "mapguide-internals" rather than "mapguide-dev" ???

This avoids the inherent confusion that results from many of our end users being developers.

It appears that MySQL and PHP are both using this convention, likely for the same reason.

Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 11:29 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Jason, Bob,

www_admin was a list for cn mail server to send mail to. It's now deleted

I've also deleted the following lists:

Webcommittee_announce
Webcommittee_commits
Webcommittee_issues
Www_news-item
Www_cvs
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

lists removed with archives left intact:

Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

archives are accessible at lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/

Tomorrow i will move/rename the following lists

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

shawn

Jason Birch wrote:
  

Shawn,

If possible, could you please do the following at the same time?

Delete:

Webcommittee_announce@
Webcommittee_commits@
Webcommittee_issues@
Www_news-item@
Www_cvs@

Rename:

Webcommittee_dev@ to webcom@

and if you have time... investigate:

Www_admin

(I have no idea what this is)

Thanks,
Jason

________________________________

From: sac-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of shawn barnes
Sent: Thu 2007-01-11 6:12 AM
To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo
Subject: Re: [SAC] Mailing List Change Request

Bob,

I'll can do the deleting and deactivating today and tomorrow morning
i'll do the renaming.

shawn

Robert Bray wrote:
    

Shawn,

I would like to request some changes to the MapGuide and FDO project mailing
lists. Specifically I would like to rename some of mailing lists, deactivate
some lists, and remove some lists altogether.

*The lists to be renamed are:*
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-dev
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits (should be hooked to broadcast SVN commits)
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits (should be hooked to broadcast all FDO project SVN
commits)
Fdo_dev => fdo-dev
Fdo_users => fdo-users

*The lists to be deactivated (but I would like access to the archives if possible):*
Mapguide_issues
Mapguide_psc
Fdo_issues
Fdo_psc
Mail_mse-users

*Lists to be deleted:*
Mg-sandbox_commits
Mg-sandbox_issues
Fdoarcsde_commits
Fdocore_commits
Fdogdal_commits
Fdoogr_commits
Fdooracle_commits
Fdordbms_commits
Fdosdf_commits
Fdoshp_commits
Fdowfs_commits
Fdowms_commits

Please let me know if this will be possible and when the changes could be made.

Thanks,
Bob
          

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shawn barnes wrote:

List names that have now been renamed are:

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-internals
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo-dev => fdo-internals
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits
Fdo_users => fdo-users

Shawn,

Does that mean that all the other changes I requested are deferred?
Stuff like Mail_discuss@lists.osgeo.org to discuss@lists.osgeo.org.

If so, when do you anticipate doing those additional changes?

Best regards,
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light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org

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no the name changes i'm now working on are:

mail_discuss => discuss
mail_francophone => fracophone
mail_webmap-discuss => webmap-discuss
mail_announce => announce

i will be removing all the *_commits except for mapbender, fdo, maguide
as this list is for an svn post-commit hook.

and removing all the *_cvs

should the visibilitycommittee_* lists be renamed to visicom-* ?

shawn

Frank Warmerdam wrote:

shawn barnes wrote:

List names that have now been renamed are:

Webcommittee_dev => webcom
Mapguide_dev => mapguide-internals
Mapguide_announce => mapguide-announce
Mapguide_users => mapguide-users
Mapguide_commits => mapguide-commits
Fdo-dev => fdo-internals
Fdo_announce => fdo-announce
Fdo_commits => fdo-commits
Fdo_users => fdo-users

Shawn,

Does that mean that all the other changes I requested are deferred?
Stuff like Mail_discuss@lists.osgeo.org to discuss@lists.osgeo.org.

If so, when do you anticipate doing those additional changes?

Best regards,

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shawn barnes wrote:

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no the name changes i'm now working on are:

mail_discuss => discuss
mail_francophone => fracophone
mail_webmap-discuss => webmap-discuss
mail_announce => announce

Shawn,

Ah, excellent!

i will be removing all the *_commits except for mapbender, fdo, maguide
as this list is for an svn post-commit hook.

and removing all the *_cvs

should the visibilitycommittee_* lists be renamed to visicom-* ?

If it were to change, it should be to viscom, not visicom. But I'd
hold off on this without confirmation from Michael Gerlek.

Best regards,
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I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org

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lists now renamed

mail_discuss => discuss
mail_fracophone => francophone
mail_webmap-discuss => webmap-discuss
mail_announce => announce

old list removed but, archives not deleted
aliases entered for oldlist aliased to newlist

and all *_commits and *_cvs lists removed except mapbender_commitss

shawn

Frank Warmerdam wrote:

shawn barnes wrote:

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no the name changes i'm now working on are:

mail_discuss => discuss
mail_francophone => fracophone
mail_webmap-discuss => webmap-discuss
mail_announce => announce

Shawn,

Ah, excellent!

i will be removing all the *_commits except for mapbender, fdo, maguide
as this list is for an svn post-commit hook.

and removing all the *_cvs

should the visibilitycommittee_* lists be renamed to visicom-* ?

If it were to change, it should be to viscom, not visicom. But I'd
hold off on this without confirmation from Michael Gerlek.

Best regards,

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