[SAC] Naming of several mailing lists

Frank_Warmerdam · January 7, 2007, 5:28pm

Folks,

A discussion of mailing list names came up on the Board list, and I'm trying
to migrate it here for action. The original request was from Markus, with
a reply from Tyler, followed by my opinion at the end.

I am putting this discussion here because I consider SAC responsible
for mailing list administration.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Markus Neteler <neteler.osgeo@gmail.com>
> Date: Saturday, January 6, 2007 11:13 am
> Subject: Naming of several mailing lists
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> looking at
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>>
>> I see a couple of inconsistencies and strange names
>> for the new lists. Maybe already too late, but maybe
>> better now than never:
>>
>> The following lists have an obscure "Mail_" prefix:
>> Mail_africa [no description available]
>> Mail_announce OSGeo Announcements
>> Mail_commits [no description available]
>> Mail_discuss OSGeo Foundation Discuss List
>> Mail_francophone [no description available]
>> Mail_mse-users [no description available]
>> Mail_webmap-discuss [no description available]
>>
>> while there are the more reasonable:
>> Africa Africa local chapter discussions
>> Brasil_commits [no description available]
>> Brasil_cvs [no description available]
>> Brasil_issues [no description available]
>>
>> - What's the difference between "Mail_africa" and "Africa"?
>> - "Mail_announce" could simply be "announce"
>> - "Mail_discuss" could simply be "discuss"
>> - "Mail_francophone" could simply be "francophone"
>> and so forth.
>>
>> The veeery long names are also a bit unfortunate:
>> Visibilitycommittee_announce [no description available]
>> Visibilitycommittee_dev Visibility Committee Discussion List
>> Visibilitycommittee_discuss-de Deutschsprachiges OSGeo Marketing
>> Webcommittee_announce [no description available]
>> Webcommittee_commits [no description available]
>> Webcommittee_dev Discussion and development of OSGeo's web presence
>> Webcommittee_issues [no description available]
>>
>> -> Webcom_ and Viscom_? But above "Mail_" prefixes are worse.
>>
>> Finally: Simplyfy this one:
>> Www_international-discuss Discussion on how to improve
>> international networking
>> to "intl-discuss" as before?
>>
>> And:
>> Www_news-item
>> and
>> News_commits
>> should probably be made more similar?
>>
>> Sorry for bothering,
>> Markus

Tyler Mitchell wrote:

I agree your assessment Markus. What is the best way to change and improve this? I'm sure Shawn could breeze through this somehow and make a batch of changes.

Just as a brief bit of background, the import process scripts for list archives used CN's subdomain + mailing list name to make everything unique. Hence the "discuss" list that was managed by CN's "Mail" project/subdomain. Obviously ones like Mapguide_user ended up being a bit more intuitive.

What is the best way to change/improve this? Is mailman scriptable so we can make some bulk changes and re-send out subscription information? From talking with Shawn it sounds like you create a new list, import the old lists archives, and then re-subscribe everyone.

Are the only problems that:
1) the address to send mail to changes (so people have to update address books, etc)
2) and the address it arrives from changes (so people need to update their filter rules where applicable).

Are there any other issues?
This renaming has come up in several forums, and there was one suggestion that "OSGeo" be part of list names as well.

What is the best way to address the overall problem? Can someone put together a list of what the new list names could be and then we can debate it with list owners and/or SAC/WebCom?

Happy to help improve this - is there consensus to change and should a couple of us just put together a list for discussion and go from there?

So I would second Markus' concern and suggest that we make the following
specific changes:

1) Remove all _issues and _commits lists that aren't actually being used.
    This would definately include the Mail_ and Webcommittee_ versions. Project
    owners for stuff like Brazil should be queried to verify they don't need
    these lists though I think the only ones for which they are actually useful
    are Mapguide, fdo and mapbender.

2) Rename Webcommittee_dev list to "webcom@lists.osgeo.org".

3) Delete webcommittee_announce - unused as far as I know.

4) Delete all "news" related mailing lists. The only news related thing
we need is the news_item@osgeo.org address which is an alias, not a
mailing list.

5) Rename visibilitycommittee_dev to viscom@lists.osgeo.org and
    visibilitycommittee_discuss-de to viscom-de@lists.osgeo.org. I think
    the other viscom lists are junk and should be removed - check with
    Michael.

6) Determine which of the Africa lists is "real" and get rid of the other.
Presumably the real list should end up named africa@lists.osgeo.org.

7) Rename Mail_announce to announce, Mail_discuss to discuss, and
Mail_francophone to francophone.

Most of the lists are have relatively few members, and a bit of disruption
is not a big issue. But I would like to stress that the current
Mail_announce and Mail_discuss lists have a lot of members, and that every
reasonable effort should be made to avoid unnecessary disruption during
a translation. This might include adding an alias from the old name pointing
to the new name, trying to preserve mailman settings (like digest/nomail)
from anyone who has set them and so forth.

Folks on these two lists are our loosely affiliated community and we don't
want to lose them by jerking them around unnecessarily. I would appreciate
Shawn verifying that the above 7 items are all reasonable doable, and i'd
appreciate members of SAC and other interested parties indicating support
or anti-support for the above plan (via +1, -1, etc). If we have SAC support
and Shawn indicates it is doable then I'd like it to proceed later in the
week to get this settled.

The deletions should be easy to execute. The renamings will likely require
more work.

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org

Allan_Doyle · January 7, 2007, 6:16pm

+1 on all of this

I agree that the issue is to do this as painlessly as possible, and taking a little extra effort to transition things by setting up aliases might help.

Just remember, the pain of transitioning now is probably less than the long-term pain of keeping things looking muddled.

Allan

On Jan 7, 2007, at 12:28, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

Folks,

A discussion of mailing list names came up on the Board list, and I'm trying
to migrate it here for action. The original request was from Markus, with
a reply from Tyler, followed by my opinion at the end.

I am putting this discussion here because I consider SAC responsible
for mailing list administration.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Markus Neteler <neteler.osgeo@gmail.com>
> Date: Saturday, January 6, 2007 11:13 am
> Subject: Naming of several mailing lists
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> looking at
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>>
>> I see a couple of inconsistencies and strange names
>> for the new lists. Maybe already too late, but maybe
>> better now than never:
>>
>> The following lists have an obscure "Mail_" prefix:
>> Mail_africa [no description available]
>> Mail_announce OSGeo Announcements
>> Mail_commits [no description available]
>> Mail_discuss OSGeo Foundation Discuss List
>> Mail_francophone [no description available]
>> Mail_mse-users [no description available]
>> Mail_webmap-discuss [no description available]
>>
>> while there are the more reasonable:
>> Africa Africa local chapter discussions
>> Brasil_commits [no description available]
>> Brasil_cvs [no description available]
>> Brasil_issues [no description available]
>>
>> - What's the difference between "Mail_africa" and "Africa"?
>> - "Mail_announce" could simply be "announce"
>> - "Mail_discuss" could simply be "discuss"
>> - "Mail_francophone" could simply be "francophone"
>> and so forth.
>>
>> The veeery long names are also a bit unfortunate:
>> Visibilitycommittee_announce [no description available]
>> Visibilitycommittee_dev Visibility Committee Discussion List
>> Visibilitycommittee_discuss-de Deutschsprachiges OSGeo Marketing
>> Webcommittee_announce [no description available]
>> Webcommittee_commits [no description available]
>> Webcommittee_dev Discussion and development of OSGeo's web presence
>> Webcommittee_issues [no description available]
>>
>> -> Webcom_ and Viscom_? But above "Mail_" prefixes are worse.
>>
>> Finally: Simplyfy this one:
>> Www_international-discuss Discussion on how to improve
>> international networking
>> to "intl-discuss" as before?
>>
>> And:
>> Www_news-item
>> and
>> News_commits
>> should probably be made more similar?
>>
>> Sorry for bothering,
>> Markus

Tyler Mitchell wrote:

I agree your assessment Markus. What is the best way to change and improve this? I'm sure Shawn could breeze through this somehow and make a batch of changes.
Just as a brief bit of background, the import process scripts for list archives used CN's subdomain + mailing list name to make everything unique. Hence the "discuss" list that was managed by CN's "Mail" project/subdomain. Obviously ones like Mapguide_user ended up being a bit more intuitive.
What is the best way to change/improve this? Is mailman scriptable so we can make some bulk changes and re-send out subscription information? From talking with Shawn it sounds like you create a new list, import the old lists archives, and then re-subscribe everyone.
Are the only problems that:
1) the address to send mail to changes (so people have to update address books, etc)
2) and the address it arrives from changes (so people need to update their filter rules where applicable).
Are there any other issues?
This renaming has come up in several forums, and there was one suggestion that "OSGeo" be part of list names as well.
What is the best way to address the overall problem? Can someone put together a list of what the new list names could be and then we can debate it with list owners and/or SAC/WebCom? Happy to help improve this - is there consensus to change and should a couple of us just put together a list for discussion and go from there?

So I would second Markus' concern and suggest that we make the following
specific changes:

1) Remove all _issues and _commits lists that aren't actually being used.
   This would definately include the Mail_ and Webcommittee_ versions. Project
   owners for stuff like Brazil should be queried to verify they don't need
   these lists though I think the only ones for which they are actually useful
   are Mapguide, fdo and mapbender.

2) Rename Webcommittee_dev list to "webcom@lists.osgeo.org".

3) Delete webcommittee_announce - unused as far as I know.

4) Delete all "news" related mailing lists. The only news related thing
   we need is the news_item@osgeo.org address which is an alias, not a
   mailing list.

5) Rename visibilitycommittee_dev to viscom@lists.osgeo.org and
   visibilitycommittee_discuss-de to viscom-de@lists.osgeo.org. I think
   the other viscom lists are junk and should be removed - check with
   Michael.

6) Determine which of the Africa lists is "real" and get rid of the other.
   Presumably the real list should end up named africa@lists.osgeo.org.

7) Rename Mail_announce to announce, Mail_discuss to discuss, and
   Mail_francophone to francophone.

Most of the lists are have relatively few members, and a bit of disruption
is not a big issue. But I would like to stress that the current
Mail_announce and Mail_discuss lists have a lot of members, and that every
reasonable effort should be made to avoid unnecessary disruption during
a translation. This might include adding an alias from the old name pointing
to the new name, trying to preserve mailman settings (like digest/nomail)
from anyone who has set them and so forth.

Folks on these two lists are our loosely affiliated community and we don't
want to lose them by jerking them around unnecessarily. I would appreciate
Shawn verifying that the above 7 items are all reasonable doable, and i'd
appreciate members of SAC and other interested parties indicating support
or anti-support for the above plan (via +1, -1, etc). If we have SAC support
and Shawn indicates it is doable then I'd like it to proceed later in the
week to get this settled.

The deletions should be easy to execute. The renamings will likely require
more work.

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org

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http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

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+1.781.433.2695
adoyle@eogeo.org

sbarnes · January 8, 2007, 1:56pm

It's all doable.

The removal of a list is a non-issue.

Adding an alias is simple.

Renaming a list is more effort but, the process is simple:
  - create new list
  - export archives from old and import archives into new
  - export subscriber list from old and import into new
  - remove old list

only issues are:
- some disruption in new mailing list address (but better to do this
now than later...everyone understands we are in transition).
- i don't see a way to carry subsribers digest/no-digest settings.

shawn

Frank Warmerdam wrote:

Folks,

A discussion of mailing list names came up on the Board list, and I'm
trying
to migrate it here for action. The original request was from Markus, with
a reply from Tyler, followed by my opinion at the end.

I am putting this discussion here because I consider SAC responsible
for mailing list administration.

----- Original Message -----
From: Markus Neteler <neteler.osgeo@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, January 6, 2007 11:13 am
Subject: Naming of several mailing lists

Dear all,

looking at
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo

I see a couple of inconsistencies and strange names
for the new lists. Maybe already too late, but maybe
better now than never:

The following lists have an obscure "Mail_" prefix:
Mail_africa [no description available]
Mail_announce OSGeo Announcements
Mail_commits [no description available]
Mail_discuss OSGeo Foundation Discuss List
Mail_francophone [no description available]
Mail_mse-users [no description available]
Mail_webmap-discuss [no description available]

while there are the more reasonable:
Africa Africa local chapter discussions
Brasil_commits [no description available]
Brasil_cvs [no description available]
Brasil_issues [no description available]

- What's the difference between "Mail_africa" and "Africa"?
- "Mail_announce" could simply be "announce"
- "Mail_discuss" could simply be "discuss"
- "Mail_francophone" could simply be "francophone"
and so forth.

The veeery long names are also a bit unfortunate:
Visibilitycommittee_announce [no description available]
Visibilitycommittee_dev Visibility Committee Discussion List
Visibilitycommittee_discuss-de Deutschsprachiges OSGeo Marketing
Webcommittee_announce [no description available]
Webcommittee_commits [no description available]
Webcommittee_dev Discussion and development of OSGeo's web presence
Webcommittee_issues [no description available]

-> Webcom_ and Viscom_? But above "Mail_" prefixes are worse.

Finally: Simplyfy this one:
Www_international-discuss Discussion on how to improve
international networking
to "intl-discuss" as before?

And:
Www_news-item
and
News_commits
should probably be made more similar?

Sorry for bothering,
Markus

Tyler Mitchell wrote:

I agree your assessment Markus. What is the best way to change and
improve this? I'm sure Shawn could breeze through this somehow and
make a batch of changes.

Just as a brief bit of background, the import process scripts for list
archives used CN's subdomain + mailing list name to make everything
unique. Hence the "discuss" list that was managed by CN's "Mail"
project/subdomain. Obviously ones like Mapguide_user ended up being a
bit more intuitive.

What is the best way to change/improve this? Is mailman scriptable so
we can make some bulk changes and re-send out subscription
information? From talking with Shawn it sounds like you create a new
list, import the old lists archives, and then re-subscribe everyone.

Are the only problems that:
1) the address to send mail to changes (so people have to update
address books, etc)
2) and the address it arrives from changes (so people need to update
their filter rules where applicable).

Are there any other issues?
This renaming has come up in several forums, and there was one
suggestion that "OSGeo" be part of list names as well.

What is the best way to address the overall problem? Can someone put
together a list of what the new list names could be and then we can
debate it with list owners and/or SAC/WebCom?
Happy to help improve this - is there consensus to change and should a
couple of us just put together a list for discussion and go from there?

So I would second Markus' concern and suggest that we make the following
specific changes:

1) Remove all _issues and _commits lists that aren't actually being used.
   This would definately include the Mail_ and Webcommittee_ versions.
Project
   owners for stuff like Brazil should be queried to verify they don't need
   these lists though I think the only ones for which they are actually
useful
   are Mapguide, fdo and mapbender.

2) Rename Webcommittee_dev list to "webcom@lists.osgeo.org".

3) Delete webcommittee_announce - unused as far as I know.

4) Delete all "news" related mailing lists. The only news related thing
   we need is the news_item@osgeo.org address which is an alias, not a
   mailing list.

5) Rename visibilitycommittee_dev to viscom@lists.osgeo.org and
   visibilitycommittee_discuss-de to viscom-de@lists.osgeo.org. I think
   the other viscom lists are junk and should be removed - check with
   Michael.

6) Determine which of the Africa lists is "real" and get rid of the other.
   Presumably the real list should end up named africa@lists.osgeo.org.

7) Rename Mail_announce to announce, Mail_discuss to discuss, and
   Mail_francophone to francophone.

Most of the lists are have relatively few members, and a bit of disruption
is not a big issue. But I would like to stress that the current
Mail_announce and Mail_discuss lists have a lot of members, and that every
reasonable effort should be made to avoid unnecessary disruption during
a translation. This might include adding an alias from the old name
pointing
to the new name, trying to preserve mailman settings (like digest/nomail)
from anyone who has set them and so forth.

Folks on these two lists are our loosely affiliated community and we don't
want to lose them by jerking them around unnecessarily. I would appreciate
Shawn verifying that the above 7 items are all reasonable doable, and i'd
appreciate members of SAC and other interested parties indicating support
or anti-support for the above plan (via +1, -1, etc). If we have SAC
support
and Shawn indicates it is doable then I'd like it to proceed later in the
week to get this settled.

The deletions should be easy to execute. The renamings will likely require
more work.

Best regards,

Daniel_Morissette · January 8, 2007, 4:13pm

I agree that a cleanup is needed.

One more thing I would suggest is to pick a convention for naming lists, document it somewhere, and make sure it is followed when new lists are created (that would include things like listing valid prefix/suffix, when to use them or not, characters to use as separators for prefix/suffix, etc.) This is more or less implied in Frank's proposal, but for instance we still have a mix of "-" and "_" as separator in list names (e.g. gdal-announce vs Fdo_announce). Personally I have a preference for "-" over "_" but as long as we pick one I'll be happy.

Daniel

Frank Warmerdam wrote:

Folks,

A discussion of mailing list names came up on the Board list, and I'm trying
to migrate it here for action. The original request was from Markus, with
a reply from Tyler, followed by my opinion at the end.

I am putting this discussion here because I consider SAC responsible
for mailing list administration.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Markus Neteler <neteler.osgeo@gmail.com>
> Date: Saturday, January 6, 2007 11:13 am
> Subject: Naming of several mailing lists
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> looking at
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>>
>> I see a couple of inconsistencies and strange names
>> for the new lists. Maybe already too late, but maybe
>> better now than never:
>>
>> The following lists have an obscure "Mail_" prefix:
>> Mail_africa [no description available]
>> Mail_announce OSGeo Announcements
>> Mail_commits [no description available]
>> Mail_discuss OSGeo Foundation Discuss List
>> Mail_francophone [no description available]
>> Mail_mse-users [no description available]
>> Mail_webmap-discuss [no description available]
>>
>> while there are the more reasonable:
>> Africa Africa local chapter discussions
>> Brasil_commits [no description available]
>> Brasil_cvs [no description available]
>> Brasil_issues [no description available]
>>
>> - What's the difference between "Mail_africa" and "Africa"?
>> - "Mail_announce" could simply be "announce"
>> - "Mail_discuss" could simply be "discuss"
>> - "Mail_francophone" could simply be "francophone"
>> and so forth.
>>
>> The veeery long names are also a bit unfortunate:
>> Visibilitycommittee_announce [no description available]
>> Visibilitycommittee_dev Visibility Committee Discussion List
>> Visibilitycommittee_discuss-de Deutschsprachiges OSGeo Marketing
>> Webcommittee_announce [no description available]
>> Webcommittee_commits [no description available]
>> Webcommittee_dev Discussion and development of OSGeo's web presence
>> Webcommittee_issues [no description available]
>>
>> -> Webcom_ and Viscom_? But above "Mail_" prefixes are worse.
>>
>> Finally: Simplyfy this one:
>> Www_international-discuss Discussion on how to improve
>> international networking
>> to "intl-discuss" as before?
>>
>> And:
>> Www_news-item
>> and
>> News_commits
>> should probably be made more similar?
>>
>> Sorry for bothering,
>> Markus

Tyler Mitchell wrote:

I agree your assessment Markus. What is the best way to change and improve this? I'm sure Shawn could breeze through this somehow and make a batch of changes.

Just as a brief bit of background, the import process scripts for list archives used CN's subdomain + mailing list name to make everything unique. Hence the "discuss" list that was managed by CN's "Mail" project/subdomain. Obviously ones like Mapguide_user ended up being a bit more intuitive.

What is the best way to change/improve this? Is mailman scriptable so we can make some bulk changes and re-send out subscription information? From talking with Shawn it sounds like you create a new list, import the old lists archives, and then re-subscribe everyone.

Are the only problems that:
1) the address to send mail to changes (so people have to update address books, etc)
2) and the address it arrives from changes (so people need to update their filter rules where applicable).

Are there any other issues?
This renaming has come up in several forums, and there was one suggestion that "OSGeo" be part of list names as well.

What is the best way to address the overall problem? Can someone put together a list of what the new list names could be and then we can debate it with list owners and/or SAC/WebCom? Happy to help improve this - is there consensus to change and should a couple of us just put together a list for discussion and go from there?

So I would second Markus' concern and suggest that we make the following
specific changes:

1) Remove all _issues and _commits lists that aren't actually being used.
   This would definately include the Mail_ and Webcommittee_ versions. Project
   owners for stuff like Brazil should be queried to verify they don't need
   these lists though I think the only ones for which they are actually useful
   are Mapguide, fdo and mapbender.

2) Rename Webcommittee_dev list to "webcom@lists.osgeo.org".

3) Delete webcommittee_announce - unused as far as I know.

4) Delete all "news" related mailing lists. The only news related thing
   we need is the news_item@osgeo.org address which is an alias, not a
   mailing list.

5) Rename visibilitycommittee_dev to viscom@lists.osgeo.org and
   visibilitycommittee_discuss-de to viscom-de@lists.osgeo.org. I think
   the other viscom lists are junk and should be removed - check with
   Michael.

6) Determine which of the Africa lists is "real" and get rid of the other.
   Presumably the real list should end up named africa@lists.osgeo.org.

7) Rename Mail_announce to announce, Mail_discuss to discuss, and
   Mail_francophone to francophone.

Most of the lists are have relatively few members, and a bit of disruption
is not a big issue. But I would like to stress that the current
Mail_announce and Mail_discuss lists have a lot of members, and that every
reasonable effort should be made to avoid unnecessary disruption during
a translation. This might include adding an alias from the old name pointing
to the new name, trying to preserve mailman settings (like digest/nomail)
from anyone who has set them and so forth.

Folks on these two lists are our loosely affiliated community and we don't
want to lose them by jerking them around unnecessarily. I would appreciate
Shawn verifying that the above 7 items are all reasonable doable, and i'd
appreciate members of SAC and other interested parties indicating support
or anti-support for the above plan (via +1, -1, etc). If we have SAC support
and Shawn indicates it is doable then I'd like it to proceed later in the
week to get this settled.

The deletions should be easy to execute. The renamings will likely require
more work.

Best regards,

--
Daniel Morissette
http://www.mapgears.com/

Daniel_Morissette · January 8, 2007, 4:15pm

shawn barnes wrote:

- i don't see a way to carry subsribers digest/no-digest settings.

You can use the script mailman/bin/list_members to extract list of members that are regular, digest or no-mail and then use mailman/bin/add_members to subscribe the members to the new lists with the appropriate status.

Daniel
--
Daniel Morissette
http://www.mapgears.com/

Frank_Warmerdam · January 8, 2007, 4:57pm

Daniel Morissette wrote:

I agree that a cleanup is needed.

One more thing I would suggest is to pick a convention for naming lists, document it somewhere, and make sure it is followed when new lists are created (that would include things like listing valid prefix/suffix, when to use them or not, characters to use as separators for prefix/suffix, etc.) This is more or less implied in Frank's proposal, but for instance we still have a mix of "-" and "_" as separator in list names (e.g. gdal-announce vs Fdo_announce). Personally I have a preference for "-" over "_" but as long as we pick one I'll be happy.

Folks,

I'd like to suggest that such policies on mailing list remain advisory
rather than absolute. In particular we as OSGeo try not to impose to
many specific rules on software projects if avoidable. As a GDAL project
member I'd be really pissed off to have SAC tell me I was required to
use gdal_announce.

I think we could consider such policies absolute for core OSGeo lists.

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam@pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org

Tyler_Mitchell2 · January 8, 2007, 5:27pm

On 7-Jan-07, at 9:28 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

>> The following lists have an obscure "Mail_" prefix:
>> Mail_africa [no description available]

Has only 1 subscriber (Gavin, cc'd here).

There is also this list:

>> Africa Africa local chapter discussions

Which has > 100 subscribers

Frank wrote:

6) Determine which of the Africa lists is "real" and get rid of the other.
Presumably the real list should end up named africa@lists.osgeo.org.

Looks like africa@lists.osgeo.org is the 'real' one that has some content and was ported over from old site (archives http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/africa/). mail_africa@lists.osgeo.org has archives, but only from April 2006 (http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mail_africa/).

Gavin - can you confirm by looking at the archives, that it will be okay to drop that mail_africa one? Since you're the only subscriber, I assume this makes sense.

Tyler