[SAC] New Server Feedback or Vote

Here's what I'm thinking we should order to replace osgeo4.

http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287252?confirmation=1751481707
I expect the price to be about $5626.97 before shipping costs.

Plan:
Latest Debian
Software RAID 1 Mirror 80GB SSD OS Drives
Software RAID 50 2x3 240GB SSD (usable space n-2 with performance of
RAID 5) ~ 860 GB usable after formatting
1 Hot spare 240GB drive in the optical drive slot.

Please provide feedback. I'd like to try and order by the end of this week.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: We also plan to ship Astrodog's FreeBSD machine to OSUOSL. This
machine will provide additional capacity. Not sure where we are in that
plan timeline it depended on the JIRA migration.

Using SSDs, you may not need the performance improvement 50 gives over
5. Aside from this, we've found the larger SSDs tend to outperform their
smaller counterparts.

We have not seen a notable difference between the "Datacenter" series
MLC SSDs and their consumer counterparts in production deployments.
Depending on how the machine is going to be set up, it may make more
sense to get the drives from a third party.

Given the price per GB, you may be able to go with 3x480 for roughly the
same price point, and leave yourself 3 extra bays if you end up needing
additional space later.

That being said, it looks good to me. The stuff outlined above is all
pretty minor or more preference-driven than functional.

--- Harrison

On 04/07/15 12:25, Alex Mandel wrote:

Here's what I'm thinking we should order to replace osgeo4.

http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287252?confirmation=1751481707
I expect the price to be about $5626.97 before shipping costs.

Plan:
Latest Debian
Software RAID 1 Mirror 80GB SSD OS Drives
Software RAID 50 2x3 240GB SSD (usable space n-2 with performance of
RAID 5) ~ 860 GB usable after formatting
1 Hot spare 240GB drive in the optical drive slot.

Please provide feedback. I'd like to try and order by the end of this week.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: We also plan to ship Astrodog's FreeBSD machine to OSUOSL. This
machine will provide additional capacity. Not sure where we are in that
plan timeline it depended on the JIRA migration.
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You are correct, often times the difference is the Firmware not the
hardware.

The Raid 50 was about safety without compromising performance and faster
rebuilds. Price wise the 6x240 is still cheaper than 3x480 (in general,
though in this case only by ~$250). http://amzn.com/B006VCP9PM is
likely what I would buy if we bought 3rd party or something similar and
the price spikes above 300GB still (not linear). Though from Silicon
Mechanics the price jumps do appear linear.

More background reading "Consumer-grade SSDs actually last a hell of a
long time" http://ars.to/T4dLhF

3rd party does make things more annoying for warranty service. Under
this plan we just call Silicon Mechanics and they handle replacing it.

Convenience is important since we don't have physical access ourselves
and want to make hosting this as little work as possible for OSUOSL.

Your plan does make sense if we think about replacing both osgeo3 and
osgeo4 with only 1 machine. Adding the extra 3 drives next year. Under
that idea I would also suggest bumping to 8 core for 16 total instead of 12.

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/07/2015 12:38 PM, Harrison Grundy wrote:

Using SSDs, you may not need the performance improvement 50 gives over
5. Aside from this, we've found the larger SSDs tend to outperform their
smaller counterparts.

We have not seen a notable difference between the "Datacenter" series
MLC SSDs and their consumer counterparts in production deployments.
Depending on how the machine is going to be set up, it may make more
sense to get the drives from a third party.

Given the price per GB, you may be able to go with 3x480 for roughly the
same price point, and leave yourself 3 extra bays if you end up needing
additional space later.

That being said, it looks good to me. The stuff outlined above is all
pretty minor or more preference-driven than functional.

--- Harrison

On 04/07/15 12:25, Alex Mandel wrote:

Here's what I'm thinking we should order to replace osgeo4.

http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287252?confirmation=1751481707
I expect the price to be about $5626.97 before shipping costs.

Plan:
Latest Debian
Software RAID 1 Mirror 80GB SSD OS Drives
Software RAID 50 2x3 240GB SSD (usable space n-2 with performance of
RAID 5) ~ 860 GB usable after formatting
1 Hot spare 240GB drive in the optical drive slot.

Please provide feedback. I'd like to try and order by the end of this week.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: We also plan to ship Astrodog's FreeBSD machine to OSUOSL. This
machine will provide additional capacity. Not sure where we are in that
plan timeline it depended on the JIRA migration.
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For comparison here's the 480GB SSD idea.
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i57328/8-drive-xeon-1u.php?cp=pGV4AmV2ZF4kAmDkAwHlZQZ5YwDmBQD2ZD%3D%3D&config_id=1733315

(Does not include our 3% non-profit discount)

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/07/2015 12:56 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

You are correct, often times the difference is the Firmware not the
hardware.

The Raid 50 was about safety without compromising performance and faster
rebuilds. Price wise the 6x240 is still cheaper than 3x480 (in general,
though in this case only by ~$250). http://amzn.com/B006VCP9PM is
likely what I would buy if we bought 3rd party or something similar and
the price spikes above 300GB still (not linear). Though from Silicon
Mechanics the price jumps do appear linear.

More background reading "Consumer-grade SSDs actually last a hell of a
long time" http://ars.to/T4dLhF

3rd party does make things more annoying for warranty service. Under
this plan we just call Silicon Mechanics and they handle replacing it.

Convenience is important since we don't have physical access ourselves
and want to make hosting this as little work as possible for OSUOSL.

Your plan does make sense if we think about replacing both osgeo3 and
osgeo4 with only 1 machine. Adding the extra 3 drives next year. Under
that idea I would also suggest bumping to 8 core for 16 total instead of 12.

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/07/2015 12:38 PM, Harrison Grundy wrote:

Using SSDs, you may not need the performance improvement 50 gives over
5. Aside from this, we've found the larger SSDs tend to outperform their
smaller counterparts.

We have not seen a notable difference between the "Datacenter" series
MLC SSDs and their consumer counterparts in production deployments.
Depending on how the machine is going to be set up, it may make more
sense to get the drives from a third party.

Given the price per GB, you may be able to go with 3x480 for roughly the
same price point, and leave yourself 3 extra bays if you end up needing
additional space later.

That being said, it looks good to me. The stuff outlined above is all
pretty minor or more preference-driven than functional.

--- Harrison

On 04/07/15 12:25, Alex Mandel wrote:

Here's what I'm thinking we should order to replace osgeo4.

http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287252?confirmation=1751481707
I expect the price to be about $5626.97 before shipping costs.

Plan:
Latest Debian
Software RAID 1 Mirror 80GB SSD OS Drives
Software RAID 50 2x3 240GB SSD (usable space n-2 with performance of
RAID 5) ~ 860 GB usable after formatting
1 Hot spare 240GB drive in the optical drive slot.

Please provide feedback. I'd like to try and order by the end of this week.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: We also plan to ship Astrodog's FreeBSD machine to OSUOSL. This
machine will provide additional capacity. Not sure where we are in that
plan timeline it depended on the JIRA migration.
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

For comparison here's the 480GB SSD idea.
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i57328/8-drive-xeon-1u.php?cp=pGV4AmV2ZF4kAmDkAwHlZQZ5YwDmBQD2ZD%3D%3D&config_id=1733315

I like the 480. No one ever says, "I wish we had less storage or
fewer available bays."

I would suggest even filling more of the bays with 480s. How many
years do we plan to run these? How much storage do we plan to have by
the end? How difficult is it to get extra drives ordered and time
zones coordinated and have OSL put the drive in? Rebuild times have
not been trivial (I know these are SSDs but still it is easier to do
it in advance).

SAC has deferred new machines for a long time so I don't think that
the additional cost is a big deal.

Best regards, Eli

(Does not include our 3% non-profit discount)

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/07/2015 12:56 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

You are correct, often times the difference is the Firmware not the
hardware.

The Raid 50 was about safety without compromising performance and faster
rebuilds. Price wise the 6x240 is still cheaper than 3x480 (in general,
though in this case only by ~$250). http://amzn.com/B006VCP9PM is
likely what I would buy if we bought 3rd party or something similar and
the price spikes above 300GB still (not linear). Though from Silicon
Mechanics the price jumps do appear linear.

More background reading "Consumer-grade SSDs actually last a hell of a
long time" http://ars.to/T4dLhF

3rd party does make things more annoying for warranty service. Under
this plan we just call Silicon Mechanics and they handle replacing it.

Convenience is important since we don't have physical access ourselves
and want to make hosting this as little work as possible for OSUOSL.

Your plan does make sense if we think about replacing both osgeo3 and
osgeo4 with only 1 machine. Adding the extra 3 drives next year. Under
that idea I would also suggest bumping to 8 core for 16 total instead of 12.

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/07/2015 12:38 PM, Harrison Grundy wrote:

Using SSDs, you may not need the performance improvement 50 gives over
5. Aside from this, we've found the larger SSDs tend to outperform their
smaller counterparts.

We have not seen a notable difference between the "Datacenter" series
MLC SSDs and their consumer counterparts in production deployments.
Depending on how the machine is going to be set up, it may make more
sense to get the drives from a third party.

Given the price per GB, you may be able to go with 3x480 for roughly the
same price point, and leave yourself 3 extra bays if you end up needing
additional space later.

That being said, it looks good to me. The stuff outlined above is all
pretty minor or more preference-driven than functional.

--- Harrison

On 04/07/15 12:25, Alex Mandel wrote:

Here's what I'm thinking we should order to replace osgeo4.

http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287252?confirmation=1751481707
I expect the price to be about $5626.97 before shipping costs.

Plan:
Latest Debian
Software RAID 1 Mirror 80GB SSD OS Drives
Software RAID 50 2x3 240GB SSD (usable space n-2 with performance of
RAID 5) ~ 860 GB usable after formatting
1 Hot spare 240GB drive in the optical drive slot.

Please provide feedback. I'd like to try and order by the end of this week.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: We also plan to ship Astrodog's FreeBSD machine to OSUOSL. This
machine will provide additional capacity. Not sure where we are in that
plan timeline it depended on the JIRA migration.
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Looks like the 480GB drive option is a good way to go at $5,654.00 +shipping
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287261?confirmation=1741652039

As pointed out, this will have a hot spare disk, and 3 empty slots for
future disk expansion.

Final feedback before I put it to a vote?

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/08/2015 08:20 AM, Eli Adam wrote:

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

For comparison here's the 480GB SSD idea.
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i57328/8-drive-xeon-1u.php?cp=pGV4AmV2ZF4kAmDkAwHlZQZ5YwDmBQD2ZD%3D%3D&config_id=1733315

I like the 480. No one ever says, "I wish we had less storage or
fewer available bays."

I would suggest even filling more of the bays with 480s. How many
years do we plan to run these? How much storage do we plan to have by
the end? How difficult is it to get extra drives ordered and time
zones coordinated and have OSL put the drive in? Rebuild times have
not been trivial (I know these are SSDs but still it is easier to do
it in advance).

SAC has deferred new machines for a long time so I don't think that
the additional cost is a big deal.

Best regards, Eli

(Does not include our 3% non-profit discount)

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/07/2015 12:56 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

You are correct, often times the difference is the Firmware not the
hardware.

The Raid 50 was about safety without compromising performance and faster
rebuilds. Price wise the 6x240 is still cheaper than 3x480 (in general,
though in this case only by ~$250). http://amzn.com/B006VCP9PM is
likely what I would buy if we bought 3rd party or something similar and
the price spikes above 300GB still (not linear). Though from Silicon
Mechanics the price jumps do appear linear.

More background reading "Consumer-grade SSDs actually last a hell of a
long time" http://ars.to/T4dLhF

3rd party does make things more annoying for warranty service. Under
this plan we just call Silicon Mechanics and they handle replacing it.

Convenience is important since we don't have physical access ourselves
and want to make hosting this as little work as possible for OSUOSL.

Your plan does make sense if we think about replacing both osgeo3 and
osgeo4 with only 1 machine. Adding the extra 3 drives next year. Under
that idea I would also suggest bumping to 8 core for 16 total instead of 12.

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/07/2015 12:38 PM, Harrison Grundy wrote:

Using SSDs, you may not need the performance improvement 50 gives over
5. Aside from this, we've found the larger SSDs tend to outperform their
smaller counterparts.

We have not seen a notable difference between the "Datacenter" series
MLC SSDs and their consumer counterparts in production deployments.
Depending on how the machine is going to be set up, it may make more
sense to get the drives from a third party.

Given the price per GB, you may be able to go with 3x480 for roughly the
same price point, and leave yourself 3 extra bays if you end up needing
additional space later.

That being said, it looks good to me. The stuff outlined above is all
pretty minor or more preference-driven than functional.

--- Harrison

On 04/07/15 12:25, Alex Mandel wrote:

Here's what I'm thinking we should order to replace osgeo4.

http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287252?confirmation=1751481707
I expect the price to be about $5626.97 before shipping costs.

Plan:
Latest Debian
Software RAID 1 Mirror 80GB SSD OS Drives
Software RAID 50 2x3 240GB SSD (usable space n-2 with performance of
RAID 5) ~ 860 GB usable after formatting
1 Hot spare 240GB drive in the optical drive slot.

Please provide feedback. I'd like to try and order by the end of this week.

Thanks,
Alex

PS: We also plan to ship Astrodog's FreeBSD machine to OSUOSL. This
machine will provide additional capacity. Not sure where we are in that
plan timeline it depended on the JIRA migration.
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:13:51AM -0700, Alex Mandel wrote:

Looks like the 480GB drive option is a good way to go at $5,654.00 +shipping
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287261?confirmation=1741652039

Fine with me,

  Martin.
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On 04/15/2015 02:11 PM, Martin Spott wrote:

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:13:51AM -0700, Alex Mandel wrote:

Looks like the 480GB drive option is a good way to go at $5,654.00 +shipping
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287261?confirmation=1741652039

Fine with me,

  Martin.

SAC members, this is the the proposed new server we'd like to order this
week to replace osgeo4.
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287261?confirmation=1741652039

It's ~600-700 over our $5000 budget but I'll ask to shift from another
line item the board gave us.

If there are no objections I'll pass this on to the Treasurer on Friday.

Thanks,
Alex

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

On 04/15/2015 02:11 PM, Martin Spott wrote:

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:13:51AM -0700, Alex Mandel wrote:

Looks like the 480GB drive option is a good way to go at $5,654.00 +shipping
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287261?confirmation=1741652039

Fine with me,

      Martin.

+1 Eli

SAC members, this is the the proposed new server we'd like to order this
week to replace osgeo4.
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287261?confirmation=1741652039

It's ~600-700 over our $5000 budget but I'll ask to shift from another
line item the board gave us.

If there are no objections I'll pass this on to the Treasurer on Friday.

Thanks,
Alex
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Machine has been ordered. Will update when I know more.

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/15/2015 02:17 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

On 04/15/2015 02:11 PM, Martin Spott wrote:

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:13:51AM -0700, Alex Mandel wrote:

Looks like the 480GB drive option is a good way to go at $5,654.00 +shipping
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287261?confirmation=1741652039

Fine with me,

  Martin.

SAC members, this is the the proposed new server we'd like to order this
week to replace osgeo4.
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287261?confirmation=1741652039

It's ~600-700 over our $5000 budget but I'll ask to shift from another
line item the board gave us.

If there are no objections I'll pass this on to the Treasurer on Friday.

Thanks,
Alex
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ETA 2 weeks.

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/23/2015 05:31 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

Machine has been ordered. Will update when I know more.

Thanks,
Alex

On 04/15/2015 02:17 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

On 04/15/2015 02:11 PM, Martin Spott wrote:

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:13:51AM -0700, Alex Mandel wrote:

Looks like the 480GB drive option is a good way to go at $5,654.00 +shipping
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287261?confirmation=1741652039

Fine with me,

  Martin.

SAC members, this is the the proposed new server we'd like to order this
week to replace osgeo4.
http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/287261?confirmation=1741652039

It's ~600-700 over our $5000 budget but I'll ask to shift from another
line item the board gave us.

If there are no objections I'll pass this on to the Treasurer on Friday.

Thanks,
Alex
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