[SAC] [Urgent] Proposal for new OSGeo site hosting

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they've built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be more
then enough:
- CPU 4
- RAM GB 8
- HDD GB 160
Price € 34,95 ex. VAT. (Pricing information can be found on
https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute)

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required software
we'll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we'll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary
* ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
* $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
* ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.
1. What's the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

I am not on the sac committee (long time fan, short on admin skills). I am okay with the outline, and it is clear that this is a new contract with SAC as a contact point.

Is the price in the same ballpark as the other hosting solutions mentioned?

···

On 30 August 2017 at 10:38, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they’ve built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be more
then enough:

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required software
we’ll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we’ll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary

  • ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
  • $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
  • ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.

  1. What’s the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
    Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
  2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
    doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair


Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac


Jody Garnett

Hi Alex,

I wonder if I am too late, but I'd like to officially respond to your earlier thread calling for "volunteers" to maintain the new Wordpress install.

To be honest, as you had said in the OSGeo AGM, in this case for this ongoing task, I would not use the word volunteer either; as you know, or for background, I've been quietly maintaining the old osgeo.org site for a very long time. This has had me dealing with backend MySQL issues, PHP issues, server config, you name it over the years.

I would like to officially answer your request for help, or a lead, for the new WordPress install & maintenance.

This means I am offering to install WordPress on the OSGeo infrastructure, install the custom template provided by GetInteractive, lead/care for maintaining backups, security, PHP issues (there will be lots), and answer/watch for any server issues daily (I bet I am the only person in OSGeo that has bots to check OSGeo services running every 2 hours now).

I have experience, and most importantly, I have the proven passion to care and be there to help when others cannot. Where I sometimes can lack the deep server skills, I dig, I try, I ask, I learn, and I eventually fix.

My plan is to provide a proposal to SAC on this, on the wiki, in the form of a quote/contract for this effort.

So, is the request for help, still valid?

If so, I will begin work on the wiki draft, and provide it to SAC here, so you can make a decision.

Thanks,

-jeff

On 2017-08-30 2:38 PM, Alex M wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they've built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be more
then enough:
- CPU 4
- RAM GB 8
- HDD GB 160
Price € 34,95 ex. VAT. (Pricing information can be found on
https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute)

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required software
we'll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we'll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary
* ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
* $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
* ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.
1. What's the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

+1 from me (not a member of SAC though).

Jeff how quickly do you think you could get stuff stood up? We are
supposed to be closing out the contract with GET as quickly as we can.

Also, Ill be happy to help you with this longer term.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jeff McKenna
<jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:

Hi Alex,

I wonder if I am too late, but I'd like to officially respond to your
earlier thread calling for "volunteers" to maintain the new Wordpress
install.

To be honest, as you had said in the OSGeo AGM, in this case for this
ongoing task, I would not use the word volunteer either; as you know, or for
background, I've been quietly maintaining the old osgeo.org site for a very
long time. This has had me dealing with backend MySQL issues, PHP issues,
server config, you name it over the years.

I would like to officially answer your request for help, or a lead, for the
new WordPress install & maintenance.

This means I am offering to install WordPress on the OSGeo infrastructure,
install the custom template provided by GetInteractive, lead/care for
maintaining backups, security, PHP issues (there will be lots), and
answer/watch for any server issues daily (I bet I am the only person in
OSGeo that has bots to check OSGeo services running every 2 hours now).

I have experience, and most importantly, I have the proven passion to care
and be there to help when others cannot. Where I sometimes can lack the
deep server skills, I dig, I try, I ask, I learn, and I eventually fix.

My plan is to provide a proposal to SAC on this, on the wiki, in the form of
a quote/contract for this effort.

So, is the request for help, still valid?

If so, I will begin work on the wiki draft, and provide it to SAC here, so
you can make a decision.

Thanks,

-jeff

On 2017-08-30 2:38 PM, Alex M wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they've built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be
more
then enough:
- CPU 4
- RAM GB 8
- HDD GB 160
Price € 34,95 ex. VAT. (Pricing information can be found on
https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute)

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required
software
we'll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we'll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary
* ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
* $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
* ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.
1. What's the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

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That would be great Jeff, and yeah thanks for all the times you have helped me personally wrestle with our drupal website.

I actually liked Alex’s phrasing of contributors as a way of opening this up to additional manpower so you (or any volunteer) would not be on critical path. We should make sure to look at total effort to be realistic about the amount of effort involved (upgrades, backups).

···

On 30 August 2017 at 13:46, Jeff McKenna <jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:

Hi Alex,

I wonder if I am too late, but I’d like to officially respond to your earlier thread calling for “volunteers” to maintain the new Wordpress install.

To be honest, as you had said in the OSGeo AGM, in this case for this ongoing task, I would not use the word volunteer either; as you know, or for background, I’ve been quietly maintaining the old osgeo.org site for a very long time. This has had me dealing with backend MySQL issues, PHP issues, server config, you name it over the years.

I would like to officially answer your request for help, or a lead, for the new WordPress install & maintenance.

This means I am offering to install WordPress on the OSGeo infrastructure, install the custom template provided by GetInteractive, lead/care for maintaining backups, security, PHP issues (there will be lots), and answer/watch for any server issues daily (I bet I am the only person in OSGeo that has bots to check OSGeo services running every 2 hours now).

I have experience, and most importantly, I have the proven passion to care and be there to help when others cannot. Where I sometimes can lack the deep server skills, I dig, I try, I ask, I learn, and I eventually fix.

My plan is to provide a proposal to SAC on this, on the wiki, in the form of a quote/contract for this effort.

So, is the request for help, still valid?

If so, I will begin work on the wiki draft, and provide it to SAC here, so you can make a decision.

Thanks,

-jeff

On 2017-08-30 2:38 PM, Alex M wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they’ve built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be more
then enough:

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required software
we’ll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we’ll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary

  • ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
  • $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
  • ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.

  1. What’s the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
    Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
  2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
    doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair


Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac


Jody Garnett

Although the board budgeted $3000 USD for this activity it is really just that … a budget.

Now that SAC is faced with real needs, and a short deadline, you are in a better position to make decisions on cost/value. SAC should make the best decision for the organization and discuss finances with the board as needed.

···

On 30 August 2017 at 10:38, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they’ve built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be more
then enough:

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required software
we’ll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we’ll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary

  • ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
  • $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
  • ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.

  1. What’s the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
    Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
  2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
    doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair


Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac


Jody Garnett

It still needs SAC to agree on where it would live exactly, and give me permissions there. (it could be this weekend project, for example - diving into this this weekend) for kickoff next week? But again, maybe this is serious enough to treat as a contract, with a task list and effort/cost outlined on a wiki page, was my thinking (then we don't abuse our volunteers).

I was also thinking of creating a team for this, and listing on the proposal wiki. For example, the site maintenance team could be a team such as the 2 jeffs, Nicolas Bozon (master interface dev), and Vicky Vergara (I love her passion and commitment to OSGeo). note - I haven't even asked them yet! But I will. And will include on the wiki.

-jeff

On 2017-08-30 5:50 PM, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:

+1 from me (not a member of SAC though).

Jeff how quickly do you think you could get stuff stood up? We are
supposed to be closing out the contract with GET as quickly as we can.

Also, Ill be happy to help you with this longer term.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jeff McKenna
<jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:

Hi Alex,

I wonder if I am too late, but I'd like to officially respond to your
earlier thread calling for "volunteers" to maintain the new Wordpress
install.

To be honest, as you had said in the OSGeo AGM, in this case for this
ongoing task, I would not use the word volunteer either; as you know, or for
background, I've been quietly maintaining the old osgeo.org site for a very
long time. This has had me dealing with backend MySQL issues, PHP issues,
server config, you name it over the years.

I would like to officially answer your request for help, or a lead, for the
new WordPress install & maintenance.

This means I am offering to install WordPress on the OSGeo infrastructure,
install the custom template provided by GetInteractive, lead/care for
maintaining backups, security, PHP issues (there will be lots), and
answer/watch for any server issues daily (I bet I am the only person in
OSGeo that has bots to check OSGeo services running every 2 hours now).

I have experience, and most importantly, I have the proven passion to care
and be there to help when others cannot. Where I sometimes can lack the
deep server skills, I dig, I try, I ask, I learn, and I eventually fix.

My plan is to provide a proposal to SAC on this, on the wiki, in the form of
a quote/contract for this effort.

So, is the request for help, still valid?

If so, I will begin work on the wiki draft, and provide it to SAC here, so
you can make a decision.

Thanks,

-jeff

On 2017-08-30 2:38 PM, Alex M wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they've built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be
more
then enough:
- CPU 4
- RAM GB 8
- HDD GB 160
Price € 34,95 ex. VAT. (Pricing information can be found on
https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute)

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required
software
we'll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we'll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary
* ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
* $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
* ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.
1. What's the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

That could work, so we would need a motion for SAC to vote on, perhaps setting up your “site maintenance” team (much like conference committee did for travel grants) of interested parties to handle this.

I had toyed around with asking if OSGeo hire an editor part time to review site content (a couple weeks as we start out and then trailing off to a couple days a month). An editor can really amplify the effort of our volunteers as we have noticed during this website/rebranding project.

Is it worth separating out the responsibilities of keeping the site up (sys admin) vs keeping the site sane (content)? What did you have in mind.

···

On 30 August 2017 at 14:08, Jeff McKenna <jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:

It still needs SAC to agree on where it would live exactly, and give me permissions there. (it could be this weekend project, for example - diving into this this weekend) for kickoff next week? But again, maybe this is serious enough to treat as a contract, with a task list and effort/cost outlined on a wiki page, was my thinking (then we don’t abuse our volunteers).

I was also thinking of creating a team for this, and listing on the proposal wiki. For example, the site maintenance team could be a team such as the 2 jeffs, Nicolas Bozon (master interface dev), and Vicky Vergara (I love her passion and commitment to OSGeo). note - I haven’t even asked them yet! But I will. And will include on the wiki.

-jeff

On 2017-08-30 5:50 PM, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:

+1 from me (not a member of SAC though).

Jeff how quickly do you think you could get stuff stood up? We are
supposed to be closing out the contract with GET as quickly as we can.

Also, Ill be happy to help you with this longer term.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jeff McKenna
<jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:

Hi Alex,

I wonder if I am too late, but I’d like to officially respond to your
earlier thread calling for “volunteers” to maintain the new Wordpress
install.

To be honest, as you had said in the OSGeo AGM, in this case for this
ongoing task, I would not use the word volunteer either; as you know, or for
background, I’ve been quietly maintaining the old osgeo.org site for a very
long time. This has had me dealing with backend MySQL issues, PHP issues,
server config, you name it over the years.

I would like to officially answer your request for help, or a lead, for the
new WordPress install & maintenance.

This means I am offering to install WordPress on the OSGeo infrastructure,
install the custom template provided by GetInteractive, lead/care for
maintaining backups, security, PHP issues (there will be lots), and
answer/watch for any server issues daily (I bet I am the only person in
OSGeo that has bots to check OSGeo services running every 2 hours now).

I have experience, and most importantly, I have the proven passion to care
and be there to help when others cannot. Where I sometimes can lack the
deep server skills, I dig, I try, I ask, I learn, and I eventually fix.

My plan is to provide a proposal to SAC on this, on the wiki, in the form of
a quote/contract for this effort.

So, is the request for help, still valid?

If so, I will begin work on the wiki draft, and provide it to SAC here, so
you can make a decision.

Thanks,

-jeff

On 2017-08-30 2:38 PM, Alex M wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they’ve built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be
more
then enough:

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required
software
we’ll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we’ll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary

  • ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
  • $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
  • ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.

  1. What’s the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
    Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
  2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
    doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair


Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac


Jody Garnett

On 08/30/2017 02:18 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

Is it worth separating out the responsibilities of keeping the site up (sys
admin) vs keeping the site sane (content)? What did you have in mind.

--
Jody Garnett

Yes those are absolutely 2 distinct tasks that do not require overlap,
though a single person/team may be qualified to do both.

In particular a content editor is a great role for a
non-coder/non-sys-admin.

Thanks,
Alex

Jeff,

Please itemize your proposal (or proposals if you have 2 different ideas
on how this could work). I suppose we should put it on a wiki page,
along with the GetInteractive proposal I outlined previously, and any
other options so everyone has a good overview of the choices.

Given the urgency of the task, and budget I think we should do a quick
contract for the work. There are plenty of later tasks that could then
be delegated to a wider non-contract team.

In terms of machines, osgeo6 does have enough space/capacity. However it
currently has php5.x, so we would need to either containerize (docker),
or virtualize the Wordpress install, in order to avoid a big headache of
trying to get all the project sites up to a new php version at the same
time. I was also concerned about how to to do the 2 site setup so there
is a test site and a production site. So really there's a few tricky
unanswered questions for the long term deployment, but things we need to
answer before putting it on our servers.

Thanks,
Alex

On 08/30/2017 02:08 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:

It still needs SAC to agree on where it would live exactly, and give me
permissions there. (it could be this weekend project, for example -
diving into this this weekend) for kickoff next week? But again, maybe
this is serious enough to treat as a contract, with a task list and
effort/cost outlined on a wiki page, was my thinking (then we don't
abuse our volunteers).

I was also thinking of creating a team for this, and listing on the
proposal wiki. For example, the site maintenance team could be a team
such as the 2 jeffs, Nicolas Bozon (master interface dev), and Vicky
Vergara (I love her passion and commitment to OSGeo). note - I haven't
even asked them yet! But I will. And will include on the wiki.

-jeff

On 2017-08-30 5:50 PM, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:

+1 from me (not a member of SAC though).

Jeff how quickly do you think you could get stuff stood up? We are
supposed to be closing out the contract with GET as quickly as we can.

Also, Ill be happy to help you with this longer term.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jeff McKenna
<jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:

Hi Alex,

I wonder if I am too late, but I'd like to officially respond to your
earlier thread calling for "volunteers" to maintain the new Wordpress
install.

To be honest, as you had said in the OSGeo AGM, in this case for this
ongoing task, I would not use the word volunteer either; as you know,
or for
background, I've been quietly maintaining the old osgeo.org site for
a very
long time. This has had me dealing with backend MySQL issues, PHP
issues,
server config, you name it over the years.

I would like to officially answer your request for help, or a lead,
for the
new WordPress install & maintenance.

This means I am offering to install WordPress on the OSGeo
infrastructure,
install the custom template provided by GetInteractive, lead/care for
maintaining backups, security, PHP issues (there will be lots), and
answer/watch for any server issues daily (I bet I am the only person in
OSGeo that has bots to check OSGeo services running every 2 hours now).

I have experience, and most importantly, I have the proven passion to
care
and be there to help when others cannot. Where I sometimes can lack the
deep server skills, I dig, I try, I ask, I learn, and I eventually fix.

My plan is to provide a proposal to SAC on this, on the wiki, in the
form of
a quote/contract for this effort.

So, is the request for help, still valid?

If so, I will begin work on the wiki draft, and provide it to SAC
here, so
you can make a decision.

Thanks,

-jeff

On 2017-08-30 2:38 PM, Alex M wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they've built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be
more
then enough:
- CPU 4
- RAM GB 8
- HDD GB 160
Price € 34,95 ex. VAT. (Pricing information can be found on
https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute)

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is
charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required
software
we'll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress
website
and WordPress plugins we'll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary
* ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
* $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
* ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.
1. What's the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

This team would handle both site maintenance and content. that was my vision. -jeff

On 2017-08-30 6:18 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

That could work, so we would need a motion for SAC to vote on, perhaps setting up your "site maintenance" team (much like conference committee did for travel grants) of interested parties to handle this.

I had toyed around with asking if OSGeo hire an editor part time to review site content (a couple weeks as we start out and then trailing off to a couple days a month). An editor can really amplify the effort of our volunteers as we have noticed during this website/rebranding project.

Is it worth separating out the responsibilities of keeping the site up (sys admin) vs keeping the site sane (content)? What did you have in mind.

--
Jody Garnett

On 30 August 2017 at 14:08, Jeff McKenna <jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com>> wrote:

    It still needs SAC to agree on where it would live exactly, and give
    me permissions there. (it could be this weekend project, for
    example - diving into this this weekend) for kickoff next week? But again, maybe this is serious enough to treat as a contract, with
    a task list and effort/cost outlined on a wiki page, was my thinking
    (then we don't abuse our volunteers).

    I was also thinking of creating a team for this, and listing on the
    proposal wiki. For example, the site maintenance team could be a
    team such as the 2 jeffs, Nicolas Bozon (master interface dev), and
    Vicky Vergara (I love her passion and commitment to OSGeo). note -
    I haven't even asked them yet! But I will. And will include on the
    wiki.

    -jeff

    On 2017-08-30 5:50 PM, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:

        +1 from me (not a member of SAC though).

        Jeff how quickly do you think you could get stuff stood up? We are
        supposed to be closing out the contract with GET as quickly as
        we can.

        Also, Ill be happy to help you with this longer term.

        On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jeff McKenna
        <jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com
        <mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com>> wrote:

            Hi Alex,

            I wonder if I am too late, but I'd like to officially
            respond to your
            earlier thread calling for "volunteers" to maintain the new
            Wordpress
            install.

            To be honest, as you had said in the OSGeo AGM, in this case
            for this
            ongoing task, I would not use the word volunteer either; as
            you know, or for
            background, I've been quietly maintaining the old osgeo.org
            <http://osgeo.org> site for a very
            long time. This has had me dealing with backend MySQL
            issues, PHP issues,
            server config, you name it over the years.

            I would like to officially answer your request for help, or
            a lead, for the
            new WordPress install & maintenance.

            This means I am offering to install WordPress on the OSGeo
            infrastructure,
            install the custom template provided by GetInteractive,
            lead/care for
            maintaining backups, security, PHP issues (there will be
            lots), and
            answer/watch for any server issues daily (I bet I am the
            only person in
            OSGeo that has bots to check OSGeo services running every 2
            hours now).

            I have experience, and most importantly, I have the proven
            passion to care
            and be there to help when others cannot. Where I sometimes
            can lack the
            deep server skills, I dig, I try, I ask, I learn, and I
            eventually fix.

            My plan is to provide a proposal to SAC on this, on the
            wiki, in the form of
            a quote/contract for this effort.

            So, is the request for help, still valid?

            If so, I will begin work on the wiki draft, and provide it
            to SAC here, so
            you can make a decision.

            Thanks,

            -jeff

            On 2017-08-30 2:38 PM, Alex M wrote:

                SAC Members,

                GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate
                hosting needs
                to take ownership of the site they've built for us.

                It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and
                the providing
                monthly updates.

                    For the new website I expect that the following
                    configuration will be
                    more
                    then enough:
                    - CPU 4
                    - RAM GB 8
                    - HDD GB 160
                    Price € 34,95 ex. VAT. (Pricing information can be
                    found on
                    https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute
                    <https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute&gt;\)

                    If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
                    We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the
                    price that is charged
                    by the hosting provider.

                    For the installation and configuration of the server
                    and required
                    software
                    we'll charge 4 hours.
                    This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

                    For performing updates and upgrades on server
                    software, WordPress website
                    and WordPress plugins we'll charge 1 hour a month.
                    This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

                Summary
                * ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
                * $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
                * ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

                Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project,
                separate from the
                SAC budget.

                ==========
                We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

                I have already supplied a list of clarification
                questions and expect
                answers today.
                1. What's the exact stack: I suggested our preferred
                stack was Debian,
                Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
                2. I asked for clarification that the service contract
                would be for
                doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

                I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

                Thanks,
                Alex
                Sys Admin Chair

    _______________________________________________
    Sac mailing list
    Sac@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Sac@lists.osgeo.org>
    https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac
    <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac&gt;

Alex I did not get an indication on timeframe from Get Interactive (on when the website will be complete; perhaps Jeff Johnson has a better indication).

I have put this topic on the agenda for next week’s OSGeo board meeting, https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-09-07

Will that be sufficient time for SAC to make a decision?

···

On 30 August 2017 at 10:38, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they’ve built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be more
then enough:

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required software
we’ll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we’ll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary

  • ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
  • $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
  • ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.

  1. What’s the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
    Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
  2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
    doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair


Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac


Jody Garnett

Yes, that will be a sufficient amount of time to make decisions.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/01/2017 03:18 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

Alex I did not get an indication on timeframe from Get Interactive (on when
the website will be complete; perhaps Jeff Johnson has a better indication).

I have put this topic on the agenda for next week's OSGeo board meeting,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-09-07

Will that be sufficient time for SAC to make a decision?

--
Jody Garnett

On 30 August 2017 at 10:38, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they've built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be

more

then enough:
- CPU 4
- RAM GB 8
- HDD GB 160
Price € 34,95 ex. VAT. (Pricing information can be found on
https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute)

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required

software

we'll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we'll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary
* ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
* $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
* ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.
1. What's the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

Reminder meeting scheduled for 14:00 UTC tomorrow if you needed any questions/clarifications with Get Interactive.

···

On 2 September 2017 at 10:52, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

Yes, that will be a sufficient amount of time to make decisions.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/01/2017 03:18 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

Alex I did not get an indication on timeframe from Get Interactive (on when
the website will be complete; perhaps Jeff Johnson has a better indication).

I have put this topic on the agenda for next week’s OSGeo board meeting,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-09-07

Will that be sufficient time for SAC to make a decision?


Jody Garnett

On 30 August 2017 at 10:38, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they’ve built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be
more
then enough:

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is charged
by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required
software
we’ll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress website
and WordPress plugins we’ll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary

  • ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
  • $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
  • ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.

  1. What’s the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
    Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
  2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
    doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair


Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac


Jody Garnett

After discussion on IRC, here is the proposal for SAC to vote on:

Summary: We will use GetInteractive to setup a VM on 3rd party hosting
to keep the beta site going while Jeff Mckenna leads the effort to bring
up the official site on OSGeo machines.

1. Angelos will ask GetInteractive for the Database dump and supporting
files. (Note, I have a copy of the theme, but getting it again is fine)

2. Jody/Jeff J. - We would like to accept GetInteractive's offer to
setup a VM for us with some modifications.
a. The site will be beta.osgeo.org
b. We would like the initial setup and month to month plan on the VM.
c. The VM can be scaled back to a cheaper option (4 GB RAM choice). We
can always make it bigger later if it becomes the production site.
d. We do not at this time need the 1 hr/month maintenance.
e. Clarification that we'll be given root access to the VM, or perhaps
we should setup the account and then grant them access?
f. Clarification on the stack that will be installed.
Debian/Apache/Maria/Php7 (Though I'm curious if they recommend NGINX/phpFPM)

3. Long term maintenance will be done by Jeff McKenna et al. A
formalized plan and team list will be presented next week.
a. If we can decide on how to host on OSGeo machines (Containers, VM,
new machine) then the official site will be internalized.
b. either the 3rd party VM, or another internal solution will be made
to host the beta site.

4. The new site should not be made the official site until the LDAP
integration is resolved.
  a. This requires setting up LDAP in Wordpress connected to our server
  b. Migrating or mapping existing users. (Note: on Wordpress import you
can reassign posts from one user to another in a batch manner).

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

On 09/05/2017 11:02 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

Reminder meeting scheduled for 14:00 UTC tomorrow if you needed any
questions/clarifications with Get Interactive.

--
Jody Garnett

On 2 September 2017 at 10:52, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com>
wrote:

Yes, that will be a sufficient amount of time to make decisions.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/01/2017 03:18 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

Alex I did not get an indication on timeframe from Get Interactive (on

when

the website will be complete; perhaps Jeff Johnson has a better

indication).

I have put this topic on the agenda for next week's OSGeo board meeting,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-09-07

Will that be sufficient time for SAC to make a decision?

--
Jody Garnett

On 30 August 2017 at 10:38, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they've built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be

more

then enough:
- CPU 4
- RAM GB 8
- HDD GB 160
Price € 34,95 ex. VAT. (Pricing information can be found on
https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute)

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is

charged

by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required

software

we'll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress

website

and WordPress plugins we'll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary
* ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
* $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
* ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.
1. What's the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

_______________________________________________
Sac mailing list
Sac@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

Sorry Alex, but it isn't clear to me what vote are you asking us for.

--strk;

On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 09:50:29AM -0700, Alex M wrote:

After discussion on IRC, here is the proposal for SAC to vote on:

Summary: We will use GetInteractive to setup a VM on 3rd party hosting
to keep the beta site going while Jeff Mckenna leads the effort to bring
up the official site on OSGeo machines.

1. Angelos will ask GetInteractive for the Database dump and supporting
files. (Note, I have a copy of the theme, but getting it again is fine)

2. Jody/Jeff J. - We would like to accept GetInteractive's offer to
setup a VM for us with some modifications.
a. The site will be beta.osgeo.org
b. We would like the initial setup and month to month plan on the VM.
c. The VM can be scaled back to a cheaper option (4 GB RAM choice). We
can always make it bigger later if it becomes the production site.
d. We do not at this time need the 1 hr/month maintenance.
e. Clarification that we'll be given root access to the VM, or perhaps
we should setup the account and then grant them access?
f. Clarification on the stack that will be installed.
Debian/Apache/Maria/Php7 (Though I'm curious if they recommend NGINX/phpFPM)

3. Long term maintenance will be done by Jeff McKenna et al. A
formalized plan and team list will be presented next week.
a. If we can decide on how to host on OSGeo machines (Containers, VM,
new machine) then the official site will be internalized.
b. either the 3rd party VM, or another internal solution will be made
to host the beta site.

4. The new site should not be made the official site until the LDAP
integration is resolved.
  a. This requires setting up LDAP in Wordpress connected to our server
  b. Migrating or mapping existing users. (Note: on Wordpress import you
can reassign posts from one user to another in a batch manner).

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

On 09/05/2017 11:02 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> Reminder meeting scheduled for 14:00 UTC tomorrow if you needed any
> questions/clarifications with Get Interactive.
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 2 September 2017 at 10:52, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that will be a sufficient amount of time to make decisions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
>> On 09/01/2017 03:18 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>> Alex I did not get an indication on timeframe from Get Interactive (on
>> when
>>> the website will be complete; perhaps Jeff Johnson has a better
>> indication).
>>>
>>> I have put this topic on the agenda for next week's OSGeo board meeting,
>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-09-07
>>>
>>> Will that be sufficient time for SAC to make a decision?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>> On 30 August 2017 at 10:38, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> SAC Members,
>>>>
>>>> GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
>>>> to take ownership of the site they've built for us.
>>>>
>>>> It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
>>>> monthly updates.
>>>>
>>>>> For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be
>>>> more
>>>>> then enough:
>>>>> - CPU 4
>>>>> - RAM GB 8
>>>>> - HDD GB 160
>>>>> Price € 34,95 ex. VAT. (Pricing information can be found on
>>>>> https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute)
>>>>>
>>>>> If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
>>>>> We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is
>> charged
>>>>> by the hosting provider.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the installation and configuration of the server and required
>>>> software
>>>>> we'll charge 4 hours.
>>>>> This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.
>>>>>
>>>>> For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress
>> website
>>>>> and WordPress plugins we'll charge 1 hour a month.
>>>>> This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.
>>>>
>>>> Summary
>>>> * ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
>>>> * $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
>>>> * ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance
>>>>
>>>> Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
>>>> SAC budget.
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>>> We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.
>>>>
>>>> I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
>>>> answers today.
>>>> 1. What's the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
>>>> Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
>>>> 2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
>>>> doing critical security patches in a timely manner.
>>>>
>>>> I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alex
>>>> Sys Admin Chair
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sac mailing list
>>>> Sac@lists.osgeo.org
>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac
>>>
>>
>>
>

_______________________________________________
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https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

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Vote on if you approve of this plan (the whole thing). If you object to
any part please state what part of the plan you object to, why, and what
alternatives you suggest.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/07/2017 01:33 PM, Sandro Santilli wrote:

Sorry Alex, but it isn't clear to me what vote are you asking us for.

--strk;

On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 09:50:29AM -0700, Alex M wrote:

After discussion on IRC, here is the proposal for SAC to vote on:

Summary: We will use GetInteractive to setup a VM on 3rd party hosting
to keep the beta site going while Jeff Mckenna leads the effort to bring
up the official site on OSGeo machines.

1. Angelos will ask GetInteractive for the Database dump and supporting
files. (Note, I have a copy of the theme, but getting it again is fine)

2. Jody/Jeff J. - We would like to accept GetInteractive's offer to
setup a VM for us with some modifications.
a. The site will be beta.osgeo.org
b. We would like the initial setup and month to month plan on the VM.
c. The VM can be scaled back to a cheaper option (4 GB RAM choice). We
can always make it bigger later if it becomes the production site.
d. We do not at this time need the 1 hr/month maintenance.
e. Clarification that we'll be given root access to the VM, or perhaps
we should setup the account and then grant them access?
f. Clarification on the stack that will be installed.
Debian/Apache/Maria/Php7 (Though I'm curious if they recommend NGINX/phpFPM)

3. Long term maintenance will be done by Jeff McKenna et al. A
formalized plan and team list will be presented next week.
a. If we can decide on how to host on OSGeo machines (Containers, VM,
new machine) then the official site will be internalized.
b. either the 3rd party VM, or another internal solution will be made
to host the beta site.

4. The new site should not be made the official site until the LDAP
integration is resolved.
  a. This requires setting up LDAP in Wordpress connected to our server
  b. Migrating or mapping existing users. (Note: on Wordpress import you
can reassign posts from one user to another in a batch manner).

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

On 09/05/2017 11:02 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

Reminder meeting scheduled for 14:00 UTC tomorrow if you needed any
questions/clarifications with Get Interactive.

--
Jody Garnett

On 2 September 2017 at 10:52, Alex Mandel <tech_dev@wildintellect.com>
wrote:

Yes, that will be a sufficient amount of time to make decisions.

Thanks,
Alex

On 09/01/2017 03:18 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

Alex I did not get an indication on timeframe from Get Interactive (on

when

the website will be complete; perhaps Jeff Johnson has a better

indication).

I have put this topic on the agenda for next week's OSGeo board meeting,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-09-07

Will that be sufficient time for SAC to make a decision?

--
Jody Garnett

On 30 August 2017 at 10:38, Alex M <tech_dev@wildintellect.com> wrote:

SAC Members,

GetInteractive has proposed a solution for our immediate hosting needs
to take ownership of the site they've built for us.

It includes setting up a host, giving us full admin, and the providing
monthly updates.

For the new website I expect that the following configuration will be

more

then enough:
- CPU 4
- RAM GB 8
- HDD GB 160
Price € 34,95 ex. VAT. (Pricing information can be found on
https://www.cloudvps.com/openstack/compute)

If we need more resources we can easily upgrade the VPS.
We can order the VPS on our name and charge you the price that is

charged

by the hosting provider.

For the installation and configuration of the server and required

software

we'll charge 4 hours.
This gives us a total of € 320,- ex. VAT.

For performing updates and upgrades on server software, WordPress

website

and WordPress plugins we'll charge 1 hour a month.
This gives us at total of € 80,- ex. VAT a month.

Summary
* ~$500 (USD)/yr for the hosting
* $381.68 (USD) one time for the setup
* ~ $100 USD/month for the monthly maintenance

Note the board allocated $3000 USD for this project, separate from the
SAC budget.

==========
We need input from members in the next 24 hours on this.

I have already supplied a list of clarification questions and expect
answers today.
1. What's the exact stack: I suggested our preferred stack was Debian,
Apache, Mysql/Maria, Php7
2. I asked for clarification that the service contract would be for
doing critical security patches in a timely manner.

I will send a separate email with my opinions on the matter.

Thanks,
Alex
Sys Admin Chair

_______________________________________________
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 02:40:39PM -0700, Alex M wrote:

In terms of machines, osgeo6 does have enough space/capacity. However it
currently has php5.x, so we would need to either containerize (docker),
or virtualize the Wordpress install, in order to avoid a big headache of
trying to get all the project sites up to a new php version at the same
time.

I've some experience with Docker and Vagrant/Ansible by now.

My understanding is that Docker is not currently used on any OSGeo
infrastructure. Is Vagrant used for the VMs ? I could not find this
information on the wiki [1].

I've also tried logging into "osgeo3" or "osgeo4", to try at
finding out by myself, but failed at finding their IP addresses:
osgeo6.osgeo.osuosl.org exists, but neither osgeo3.osgeo.osuosl.org
nor osgeo4.osgeo.osuosl.org do. Can you help with that ?

--strk;

On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 04:55:05PM -0700, Alex M wrote:

Vote on if you approve of this plan (the whole thing). If you object to
any part please state what part of the plan you object to, why, and what
alternatives you suggest.

My understanding of the plan is that GetInteractive would
basically move the beta website to a new (virtual?) machine
we'd have root access to and consider their project completed.

This "setup & migration" would be charged ~390 USD.

At the end we'll have another machine in the OSGeo infrastructure
which would cost ~40 USD/month.

How much time (and money?) would it take to request a new VM
from OSUOSL ? My understanding from reading the wiki page [1]
is that it would come already with LDAP shell access ?
[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:Standard_System_Setup#Request_a_new_VM

Do we have full specification of what the new website requires
in terms of Wordpress version and plugins set ?

Do we need to keep the new website running for people to migrate
content or was that task only important for the conference ?
Could it for example remain offline while we call for interest
within the community for the next sysadmin contract ?

--strk;

On 09/08/2017 02:06 AM, Sandro Santilli wrote:

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 02:40:39PM -0700, Alex M wrote:

In terms of machines, osgeo6 does have enough space/capacity. However it
currently has php5.x, so we would need to either containerize (docker),
or virtualize the Wordpress install, in order to avoid a big headache of
trying to get all the project sites up to a new php version at the same
time.

I've some experience with Docker and Vagrant/Ansible by now.

My understanding is that Docker is not currently used on any OSGeo
infrastructure. Is Vagrant used for the VMs ? I could not find this
information on the wiki [1].

osgeo3 & osgeo4 use Ganeti for virtualization. Neither machine is a candidate for new services. osgeo4 needs to be retired ASAP. osgeo3 is planned for replacement. We are looking for a new approach to virtualization/containers.

KVM (which is what Ganeti uses) is still an option, but with a different front end suggested (something simpler, perhaps libvirt). Vagrant with Virtualbox is not really appropriate beyond development. Openstack is also an option, but like ganeti is really meant for many machines and full control over host resource allocations.

I've also tried logging into "osgeo3" or "osgeo4", to try at
finding out by myself, but failed at finding their IP addresses:
osgeo6.osgeo.osuosl.org exists, but neither osgeo3.osgeo.osuosl.org
nor osgeo4.osgeo.osuosl.org do. Can you help with that ?

I believe Martin is the only osgeo person with access to the host of osgeo4 and osgeo3. Quirk of how OSU originally configured them. We can ask OSU for help getting access if needed. They may not have public ip addresses.

Thanks,
Alex