I'm expecting to be behind a booth at the Spatial Sciences Conference in Hobart Australia, 14-18 May, 2007.
http://www.ssc2007.com/
I've applied to present on behalf of OSGeo but will only get a spot if someone else drops out. (We missed the submission deadline). However Terrapages will have a booth and I expect to have an opportunity to talk OSGeo while behind the stand.
--
Cameron Shorter
Systems Architect, http://terrapages.com.au
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5011
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
Cameron-
Sounds great. I've add the event to the calender. If we can help in
any way, just let us know...
-mpg
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[mailto:viscom-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
Cameron Shorter
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:03 PM
To: visibilitycommittee_dev@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [Viscom-dev] Spatial Sciences Conference, Hobart AustraliaI'm expecting to be behind a booth at the Spatial Sciences
Conference in
Hobart Australia, 14-18 May, 2007.
http://www.ssc2007.com/I've applied to present on behalf of OSGeo but will only get
a spot if
someone else drops out. (We missed the submission deadline). However
Terrapages will have a booth and I expect to have an
opportunity to talk
OSGeo while behind the stand.--
Cameron Shorter
Systems Architect, http://terrapages.com.au
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5011
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254_______________________________________________
Viscom-dev mailing list
Viscom-dev@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/viscom-dev
Thankyou for the offer of help. I have some big asks, and will understand if it is too hard to achieve. Hopefully this will be useful for other events and so more effort can be dedicated to it.
The Audience for the Spatial Sciences conference will probably be Government based mapping departments, probably using ESRI and Oracle Spatial.
What would be very useful for me is to have material to help sell Open Source GIS to ESRI experts. - Note that I have next to no experience in the ESRI products.
I'm thinking documentation (posters, slides, white papers) along the lines of:
* A table matching proprietary products to OS products. Arron Raciot has a slide which is a start. It would be good to flesh this out more.
interfaces are used to connect components.
* Some bench mark comparisons
* A migration strategy from ESRI to OS.
* A poster showing the OS Geo stack.
* Explanations of the OGC standards, including SOA network diagrams showing how the
Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
Cameron-
Sounds great. I've add the event to the calender. If we can help in
any way, just let us know...-mpg
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From: viscom-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:viscom-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:03 PM
To: visibilitycommittee_dev@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [Viscom-dev] Spatial Sciences Conference, Hobart AustraliaI'm expecting to be behind a booth at the Spatial Sciences Conference in Hobart Australia, 14-18 May, 2007.
http://www.ssc2007.com/I've applied to present on behalf of OSGeo but will only get a spot if someone else drops out. (We missed the submission deadline). However Terrapages will have a booth and I expect to have an opportunity to talk OSGeo while behind the stand.
--
Cameron Shorter
Systems Architect, http://terrapages.com.au
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5011
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254_______________________________________________
Viscom-dev mailing list
Viscom-dev@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/viscom-dev_______________________________________________
Viscom-dev mailing list
Viscom-dev@lists.osgeo.org
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Cameron Shorter
Systems Architect, http://terrapages.com.au
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5011
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
On Sat, February 3, 2007 12:23, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Thankyou for the offer of help. I have some big asks, and will
understand if it is too hard to achieve. Hopefully this will be useful
for other events and so more effort can be dedicated to it.
Hi Cameron,
here is the deal: You consent to guinea pig with us through a little
tedious formality that we are trying to get in place to organize events
and we give you all that you need. (Details follow in a separte mail).
The Audience for the Spatial Sciences conference will probably be
Government based mapping departments, probably using ESRI and Oracle
Spatial.What would be very useful for me is to have material to help sell Open
Source GIS to ESRI experts. - Note that I have next to no experience in
the ESRI products.
That is actually a good thing. It shows people who have been <colorful
speech>brainwashed</colorful speech> by especially one proprietary vendor
that you can actually perform GIS perfeclty well *without* having to know
how it is done with that specific vendor's software. My experience is that
people are really surprised to find out that "GIS" is not equal to "ESRI".
I'm thinking documentation (posters, slides, white papers) along the
lines of:
* A table matching proprietary products to OS products. Arron Raciot has
a slide which is a start. It would be good to flesh this out more.
interfaces are used to connect components.
* Some bench mark comparisons
I have had bad experience with such things. It gets people revved up about
processor speed and triple core Titanium water cooled hyperpower boxes.
Additionally spatial data is as divers as are the requirements. Then you
have a good argument. One software will not be the unltimate solution
anyway, so why not combine the best for the repsecitve prupose. And right
you are in the middle of the Open Source Ecosystem where a Java class
queries the speed of light C-library to present the stuff with a
JavaScript client regardless of where the software sprang from (all tied
to gether using standards and so on...).
* A migration strategy from ESRI to OS.
The strategy is straight forward: Just go, what are you waiting for? 
* A poster showing the OS Geo stack.
What do you have in mind? Something in a style like this:
http://www.wheregroup.com/files/imageupload/gdi.png
(maybe several for different architectures and needs for all projects)
or more like this:
http://www.mapbender.org/images/7/70/Typical_foss_sdi.png
or as part of a presentation slide like this:
http://www.mapbender.org/images/8/87/City_map_services_OSGeo_software_stack.png
If any of this looks like what you need we (that is VisCom) can produce
some generic OSGeo slides and posters for you. If you feel like putting in
some efforts yourself Michal Gerlek can give you templates and info sheets
for at least the initial eight OSGeo projects. We are currently lacking a
common collaboration platform like SVN or up and download area.
* Explanations of the OGC standards, including SOA network diagrams
showing how the
Many diagrams reference OGC standards and the OSGeo SDI stack is designed
as a SOA so that should be taken care of. I wonder whether there are any
good resources available at the OGC site, one could check that...
Best regards,
Arnulf.
Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
Cameron-
Sounds great. I've add the event to the calender. If we can help in
any way, just let us know...-mpg
-----Original Message-----
From: viscom-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:viscom-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
Cameron Shorter
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:03 PM
To: visibilitycommittee_dev@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [Viscom-dev] Spatial Sciences Conference, Hobart AustraliaI'm expecting to be behind a booth at the Spatial Sciences
Conference in
Hobart Australia, 14-18 May, 2007.
http://www.ssc2007.com/I've applied to present on behalf of OSGeo but will only get
a spot if
someone else drops out. (We missed the submission deadline). However
Terrapages will have a booth and I expect to have an
opportunity to talk
OSGeo while behind the stand.--
Cameron Shorter
Systems Architect, http://terrapages.com.au
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5011
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254_______________________________________________
Viscom-dev mailing list
Viscom-dev@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/viscom-dev_______________________________________________
Viscom-dev mailing list
Viscom-dev@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/viscom-dev--
Cameron Shorter
Systems Architect, http://terrapages.com.au
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5011
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254_______________________________________________
Viscom-dev mailing list
Viscom-dev@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/viscom-dev
--
Arnulf Christl
http://www.wheregroup.com
Arnulf wrote:
On Sat, February 3, 2007 12:23, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> * A migration strategy from ESRI to OS.
The strategy is straight forward: Just go, what are you waiting for?
I know that's tongue-in-cheek, but this is a huge issue for people that don't have any idea how to start bringing in open source.
Personally, I would have a hard time migrating a proprietary infrastructure to a purely FOSS infrastructure. Quite a few tools are needed for even a partial sell.
First, areas like data migration, training, and system integration are huge costs. We have to provide "FOSS champions" with the key points they will need to make the business case for adoption of free and open source software.
Second, there are some areas where FOSS does not have equivalent functionality to proprietary applications. Switching wholesale does not make sense for many organisations, and encouraging them to do so when we do not have the right pieces in place will cause backlash. We need to pick our battles using our core competencies (interoperability, web applications, solid analytical tools, ???) as leverage.
Third, there is a real lack of bridge components to allow organisations to migrate their infrastructure a piece at a time. This is largely because the dominant proprietary vendors have a tightly closed architecture (for good reason; it buffers their cost-recovered software from becoming commoditized). The projects that are working on these bridges need our support.
We also need to focus on ease of use and documentation; features that user of proprietary software are accustomed to. Not to the same level, but enough so that they can get started relatively easily.
Jason
Arnulf Christl wrote:
On Sat, February 3, 2007 12:23, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Thankyou for the offer of help. I have some big asks, and will
understand if it is too hard to achieve. Hopefully this will be useful
for other events and so more effort can be dedicated to it.
Hi Cameron,
here is the deal: You consent to guinea pig with us through a little
tedious formality that we are trying to get in place to organize events
and we give you all that you need. (Details follow in a separte mail).
"All that you need ..." I don't think you appreciate the size of my wish list.
I should point out that this conference in Hobart should not be considered a key OSGeo event. Terrapages will have a stand which I will be standing behind, and I will be pushing both OSGeo and Terrapages.
However, I consider the key message requirements for Hobart will be the same as OSGeo conferences around the world.
The Audience for the Spatial Sciences conference will probably be
Government based mapping departments, probably using ESRI and Oracle
Spatial.What would be very useful for me is to have material to help sell Open
Source GIS to ESRI experts. - Note that I have next to no experience in
the ESRI products.
That is actually a good thing. It shows people who have been <colorful
speech>brainwashed</colorful speech> by especially one proprietary vendor
that you can actually perform GIS perfeclty well *without* having to know
how it is done with that specific vendor's software. My experience is that
people are really surprised to find out that "GIS" is not equal to "ESRI".I'm thinking documentation (posters, slides, white papers) along the
lines of:
* A table matching proprietary products to OS products. Arron Raciot has
a slide which is a start. It would be good to flesh this out more.
interfaces are used to connect components.
* Some bench mark comparisons
I have had bad experience with such things. It gets people revved up about
processor speed and triple core Titanium water cooled hyperpower boxes.
Additionally spatial data is as divers as are the requirements. Then you
have a good argument. One software will not be the unltimate solution
anyway, so why not combine the best for the repsecitve prupose. And right
you are in the middle of the Open Source Ecosystem where a Java class
queries the speed of light C-library to present the stuff with a
JavaScript client regardless of where the software sprang from (all tied
to gether using standards and so on...).
That sounds like good advice.
* A migration strategy from ESRI to OS.
The strategy is straight forward: Just go, what are you waiting for?* A poster showing the OS Geo stack.
What do you have in mind? Something in a style like this:
http://www.wheregroup.com/files/imageupload/gdi.png
(maybe several for different architectures and needs for all projects)
Yes, useful to explain specific use cases.
or more like this:
http://www.mapbender.org/images/7/70/Typical_foss_sdi.png
This is good. Probably add "WFS" and "WMS" over the lines. Add in a few extra components, like heavy/web clients.
I wonder how much information we can add before the diagram becomes too complicated.
or as part of a presentation slide like this:
http://www.mapbender.org/images/8/87/City_map_services_OSGeo_software_stack.png
Good, but probably not as good as the one above.
If any of this looks like what you need we (that is VisCom) can produce
some generic OSGeo slides and posters for you. If you feel like putting in
some efforts yourself Michal Gerlek can give you templates and info sheets
for at least the initial eight OSGeo projects. We are currently lacking a
common collaboration platform like SVN or up and download area.* Explanations of the OGC standards, including SOA network diagrams
showing how the
Many diagrams reference OGC standards and the OSGeo SDI stack is designed
as a SOA so that should be taken care of. I wonder whether there are any
good resources available at the OGC site, one could check that...
I've looked but haven't found what I'm looking for. But I agree, the OGC should "own" this part of the presentation.
Best regards,
Arnulf.Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
Cameron-
Sounds great. I've add the event to the calender. If we can help in
any way, just let us know...-mpg
-----Original Message-----
From: viscom-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:viscom-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
Cameron Shorter
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:03 PM
To: visibilitycommittee_dev@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [Viscom-dev] Spatial Sciences Conference, Hobart AustraliaI'm expecting to be behind a booth at the Spatial Sciences
Conference in
Hobart Australia, 14-18 May, 2007.
http://www.ssc2007.com/I've applied to present on behalf of OSGeo but will only get
a spot if
someone else drops out. (We missed the submission deadline). However
Terrapages will have a booth and I expect to have an
opportunity to talk
OSGeo while behind the stand.--
Cameron Shorter
Systems Architect, http://terrapages.com.au
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5011
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254_______________________________________________
Viscom-dev mailing list
Viscom-dev@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/viscom-dev_______________________________________________
Viscom-dev mailing list
Viscom-dev@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/viscom-dev--
Cameron Shorter
Systems Architect, http://terrapages.com.au
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5011
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254_______________________________________________
Viscom-dev mailing list
Viscom-dev@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/viscom-dev
--
Cameron Shorter
Systems Architect, http://terrapages.com.au
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5011
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
